On Nov 18, 10:02 pm, "jen" <jgil6...@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Thanks Ken > Havent been able to find his death yet. > Jen Jen, You gave a specific date and place for Charles' birth, so it looks to me as though he is this birth registration from the online NSW BDM index: 1765/1870 SMITH CHARLES WILLIAM CHARLES WILLIAM MARGARET SYDNEY If you do a search for the death of Charles SMITHs in NSW up until 1970 with parents Charles and Margaret there are 5, but 4 are excluded for non matching details, which leaves you with 13568/1911 SMITH CHARLES CHARLES MARGARET BALMAIN SOUTH Might be worth getting this certificate through a transcription agent (which costs less than through the Registration Office). Also you can supply them with the known details of the person you are seeking (for an even smaller cost) and they will provide the full certificate only if the person seems to match. Vivien

Hi Looking for any related familes to Charles George Bradfield FARNSWORTH. He born 1860 Marylebone London married Hannah STRINGER Adelaide CHildren born .. William Charles. Edward Ernest, Henry Rupert, Percy George, Edith Beatrice, Elsie FLorence, Lillian Ethel, Leslie Clarence all born Victoria AUS Charles born 1860 to parents Charles Bradfielmd Farnsworth and Elizabeth Kemp. Could only find one child to this marriage as per the 1871 Census and by the time the 1881 came around, the family were either in New Zealand or South Australia or even Victoria All very hazy I am sorry to say This family I cannot get a grip on .It's not for me but a for our friend who wanted help with thier other lines and Betty thought I could unravel this family as I had looked into some 2001. I have no idea really about the Families just what I had found 2001 That was mostly Victorian lot, but there is family in NZ they would like to find and contact One known family member I do know if Alice Farnsworth married James QUALTROUGH. He died 1896 NZ and Alice 1921 NZ Have no clues if there are children perhaps?? Alice's brother Henry Farnsworth married Ellen Morrison nee McLeod at Pakuranga NZ She being born Scotland Edinburgh. Have no idea if the couple had children. If anyone can offer help or know of anyone related I would be most pleased as I am sure stumped with this family both England and OZ/ NZ Thanks for reading Elaine in Melbourne where the it's beginning to heat up -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Thanks Ken Havent been able to find his death yet. Jen "Ken Gibb" <gibb@westnet.com.au> wrote in message news:6bk7g5hekumo5q4shrc38ro96u68pt9oc7@4ax.com... > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:33:54 GMT, "jen" <jgil6052@bigpond.net.au> > wrote: > >>HI ALL >>To clear things up >>I would like to find out the name of Charles first wife and when and were >>they married and where she died. >>Thanks, Regards, Best wishes, etc >>Jen >>From sunny Melbourne >>"jen" <jgil6052@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message >>news:mswLm.54850$ze1.23458@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >>> hi >>> am new to this group would be pleased with some help >>> i have charles william smith born redfern nsw 17 july 1870 was >>> married- >>> assuming in nsw -(unsure) they had 3 children charles william born abt >>> 1891 john august born 1892 margaret ann born 1895 - according to >>> second >>> marraige to alma marie rossau in 1907 it states in certificate that >>> first wife passed away in 1900 >>> > Have you got Charles William SMITH's D.Cert ???? > If not get it as all you require " may be" on it. > i.e. ifthe informant knew these details. > > If not you may get some clues > > .. > > Ken >>> >> > > Ken & Jill Gibb, gibb@westnet.com.au > Mordialloc, > Vic. Australia.

Hi Lynette Thanks for the reply. I was begging to wonder what I got myself into . I have only had 1 reply that offered assistance but didn't give me any new information, al the rest criticism of my typing et.c Thanks again I will persevere with it Jen Melbourne "Lynnette Fiddick" <mail.list@lynnettefiddick.com> wrote in message news:mailman.258.1258538229.2037.genanz@rootsweb.com... > Hello Jen > > I did not see the original post you sent to the list to ask for assistance > and I mistakenly thought I was replying to a thread about names and > signatures on email. > > I apologise to you for not replying to your enquiry, but I see someone > else > now has. and I hope that reply was helpful for you. I also apologise for > your intro to the mail list and assure you it is usually much more "user > friendly". > > Good luck with your research, > Lynne > =============================== > Lynne Fiddick > Central Coast, NSW, AUSTRALIA > =============================== >

Hi Kathy, The Dorset Baptism records on FMP have your GGGrandmother's brother Thomas' baptism in 1802 in Poole, and the Burial records have the death of what appears to be the same child in 1807 in Poole. Regards Judy -----Original Message----- From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Pearson Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2009 1:13 PM To: genanz@rootsweb.com Subject: Thomas PRETTY - South Australia look-up please Hi everyone, Does anyone have access to the Biographical Index of South Australians? I am trying to find out the names of the parents of Thomas PRETTY, who with wife Mary nee SPOONER and ten children arrived in Adelaide on board the Success on 28 January 1848. I would like to know if he was a son of John and Mary (nee HACKETT) PRETTY of Poole in Dorset, and therefore a brother of my great great grandmother Anne Taylor WALKER nee PRETTY, who also arrived in Australia in that year but settled in NSW. If parents' names are not listed in the Biog. Index, can anyone suggest alternative sources to research? I have tried familysearch, but cannot find Thomas' birth. Thanks. Kathy ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lindsay and others As I am a new group member I wasnt sure how to reply and the new information I provided for you ended up on a new post dated 16/11. So can you check that one Thank You to anyone who wants to help Jen Melbourne "jen" <jgil6052@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:mswLm.54850$ze1.23458@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > hi > am new to this group would be pleased with some help > i have charles william smith born redfern nsw 17 july 1870 was married- > assuming in nsw -(unsure) they had 3 children charles william born abt > 1891 john august born 1892 margaret ann born 1895 - according to second > marraige to alma marie rossau in 1907 it states in certificate that > first wife passed away in 1900 > >

HI ALL To clear things up I would like to find out the name of Charles first wife and when and were they married and where she died. Thanks, Regards, Best wishes, etc Jen >From sunny Melbourne "jen" <jgil6052@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:mswLm.54850$ze1.23458@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > hi > am new to this group would be pleased with some help > i have charles william smith born redfern nsw 17 july 1870 was married- > assuming in nsw -(unsure) they had 3 children charles william born abt > 1891 john august born 1892 margaret ann born 1895 - according to second > marraige to alma marie rossau in 1907 it states in certificate that > first wife passed away in 1900 > >

Kathy Pearson wrote: > What is "FMP"? FindMyPast: http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp Richard -- Richard van Schaik f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISziggo.nl http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/ Mail address changed repair to this on my site is being worked on

Thank you, Lynne, that's great. With all the replies and information supplied in them I now feel pretty (excuse the pun :)) sure that this Thomas is not part of my Dorset Pretty family. Best wishes, Kathy --- On Wed, 18/11/09, Keith Radford <keilyn03@tpg.com.au> wrote: > From: Keith Radford <keilyn03@tpg.com.au> > Subject: Re: Thomas PRETTY - South Australia look-up please > To: "Kathy Pearson" <kathypea@yahoo.com.au> > Received: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 6:48 PM > Hi Kathy, > I am attaching copies from Biographical Index of S.A. > From Family search found http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp >      Husband's Name >     Thomas PRETTY (AFN:1ZSD-NTR)  Pedigree > >     Born:  27 Aug 1801  Place:  , > Islington, London, England >     Died:  22 Sep 1873  Place:  , > Nth Adelaide, South Australia, Australia >     Buried:    Place:  > Walkerville, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia >     Married:  Abt 1824  Place:  > Of, Edmonton, Middlesex, England > >     Father: >     Mother: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >      Wife's Name >     Mary SPOONER (AFN:1ZSD-NV0)  Pedigree > >     Born:  1801  Place:  , > Edmonton, Middlesex, England >     Died:  30 Aug 1879  Place:  , > Nth Adelaide, South Australia, Australia >     Married:  Abt 1824  Place:  > Of, Edmonton, Middlesex, England > >     Father: >     Mother: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >      Children > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     1.  Sex  Name >      F Eliza Anne PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-NK4)  Pedigree > >          Born:  > 1840   Place:  Of, Islington, London, > England >          Died:  30 Apr > 1924   Place:  , , South Australia, > Australia > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     2.  Sex  Name >      M Thomas William PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-NW6)  Pedigree > >          Born:  > 1826   Place:  Of, Islington, London, > England >          Died:  > 1866   Place:  , , , Australia > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     3.  Sex  Name >      F Hannah PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-NXD)  Pedigree > >          Born:  > 1828   Place:  Of, Islington, London, > England >          Died:  > 1849   Place:  , , , Australia > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     4.  Sex  Name >      M George Henry PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-NZL)  Pedigree > >          Born:  > 1830   Place:  Of, Islington, London, > England > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     5.  Sex  Name >      F Emily PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-P0R)  Pedigree > >          Born:  > 1835   Place:  Of, Islington, London, > England >          Died:    > Place:  Of, , , Australia > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     6.  Sex  Name >      F Amelia PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-P10)  Pedigree > >          Born:  > 1837   Place:  Of, Islington, London, > England >          Died:    > Place:  Of, , , Australia > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     7.  Sex  Name >      M Samuel Edwin PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-P26)  Pedigree > >          Born:  > 1838   Place:  , Islington, London, > England >          Died:    > Place:  At Sea > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     8.  Sex  Name >      F Mary Ann Elizabeth PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-P4L)  Pedigree > >          Born:  > 1844   Place:  Of, Islington, London, > England >          Died:  > 1919   Place:  Of, , , Australia > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >     9.  Sex  Name >      M John James PRETTY > (AFN:1ZSD-P3D)  Pedigree > >          Born:  14 Dec > 1841   Place:  , , Middlesex, England >          Died:  10 Oct > 1909   Place:  Croydon, Adelaide, South > Australia, Australia >          Buried:    > Place:  Hindmarsh, Adelaide, South Australia, > Australia > > > Thomas Pretty >      Death:  22 SEP 1873 > > >      Parents: >        Father:  PRETTY > >      Source Information: >     Batch Number:  0960936 >     Sheet:  71 >     Source Call No.:  > 1553296   Type:  Film > > >      Birth:  27 AUG > 1801   Islington, London, England > > > Kind regards, > Lynne > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Pearson" <kathypea@yahoo.com.au> > Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.australia+nz > To: <genanz@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:43 PM > Subject: Thomas PRETTY - South Australia look-up please > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Does anyone have access to the Biographical Index of > South Australians? I am trying to find out the names of the > parents of Thomas PRETTY, who with wife Mary nee SPOONER and > ten children arrived in Adelaide on board the Success on 28 > January 1848. I would like to know if he was a son of John > and Mary (nee HACKETT) PRETTY of Poole in Dorset, and > therefore a brother of my great great grandmother Anne > Taylor WALKER nee PRETTY, who also arrived in Australia in > that year but settled in NSW. > > > > If parents' names are not listed in the Biog. Index, > can anyone suggest alternative sources to research? I have > tried familysearch, but cannot find Thomas' birth. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Kathy > __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/

Hi, Di here from SUNNY QUEENSLAND. I think that Jen has been forgotten about here as you are all involved in each others comments and not the subject. Jen has contacted us for some help and I think you all should try to assist and apoligize for this behaviour. "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message news:R8GdncFbnOuFrp_WnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@westnet.com.au... > "Edna MacPherson SABATO" <ceilidh@sabatech.net> wrote in message > news:mailman.202.1258432817.2037.genanz@rootsweb.com... >> Dear FarmI; >> You wasted time writing it, - I wasted my precious time reading a wee >> bit of it, - now I will break one of my cardinal rules, and not snip, and >> the whole will clutter up the Archives.. >> Edna MacPherson Sabato > > Dear Edna > You are of course, free to do whatever you choose to do in a gatewayed > group/list. >

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Hello FarmI, Your reply was quite off topic. In fact I found it quite laughable because it showed you were simply trying to stir up an angry response and had nothing worthwhile to contribute. Sorry to disappoint you. 'Bye Lynne ..::>>::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>.. Lynne Fiddick Central Coast of New South Wales, AUSTRALIA ..::>>::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..::>>..

My ancestor was Dr. Robert Rogers (died 1849), predecessor to Dr. Bell in Carcoar. Dr. Bell's guide to medicine is being republished. It was written by him when he was in Windsor before moving to Carcoar. I am reproducing the invitation from the compiler, Lois Sabine. Anyone interested should contact Lois on the email below. "This is the invitation you have when you haven't got the invitations back from the printers and time is galloping on at speed. You will get the pretty invitation later. In the meantime, the following book launch is taking place. For the fortunate few of you who haven't suffered me rabbiting on about it, this is a transcription of Dr Bells original unpublished manuscript found by myself in the Mitchell Library years ago, it is now about to be launched, and you and yours are invited. Dr Bell's THE SETTLERS' GUIDE or Modern Domestic Medicine and Surgery, Windsor NSW 1849 is a 300 page book written for the use of the colonial settlers when they were out of reach of a medical man. The manuscript was written in Howes House on Thompsons Square Windsor in 1849. Howes House later became the Hawkesbury Museum, so where better to launch it 160 years to the day. When: Saturday 28th November 2009. 1.00pm - 2.30pm. Where: Hawkesbury District Museum, 8 Baker Street Windsor. Please let me know if you can come, and if you have any friends whom you might think would be interested. Personally I have found the Guide fascinating and quite remarkable at how our ancestors managed to survive not only the harsh conditions in the bush, but the medical treatment available from very well qualified practitioners. I look forward to hearing from you at lsabine@bigpond.com Lois Sabine " This has been a labour of love for Lois and will have a limited print run so this is a good opportunity for those interested in medical treatments in the mid-19th century in NSW. Dr.Bell might even have treated some of your ancestors if they lived in the Hawkesbury area. Valerie Wotton

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:01:06 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote: >As I do my research from military/enlistment documents, I find it irritating >that there is no date of birth on these. Just an age of enlistment. > >Wonder why no date of birth? The short answer is that if the form being used at the time didn't ask for it then that's why it's not shown. If you look at it form the recruiters perspective their concern was whether the recruit was old enough or not too old, hence the age on entistment question. As pointed out in another reply even when it was given, ie in WWII Australian Army records, you can't always rely on it in any event. In my Eldridge research the largest WWII age 'adjustment' I've come across is 11 years (if I recall correctly) however I do invariably find that when the date of birth was 'adjusted' it was the year that was altered and not the day and month. -- Robert G. Eldridge Toronto NSW Australia http://www.eldridgegenealogy.org Now researching ELDRIDGE families world wide 1000s at my Web site *Wanted* Any Eldridge related information

Thanks - I should have known that. KP --- On Wed, 18/11/09, Richard van Schaik <f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISziggo.nl> wrote: > From: Richard van Schaik <f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISziggo.nl> > Subject: Re: Thomas PRETTY - South Australia look-up please > To: genanz@rootsweb.com > Received: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 11:25 AM > Kathy Pearson wrote: > > What is "FMP"? > > FindMyPast: http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp > > Richard > > -- > Richard van Schaik > f.m.a.vanschaikREMOVE@THISziggo.nl > http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/ > Mail address changed repair to this on my site is being > worked on > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/

"Edna MacPherson SABATO" <ceilidh@sabatech.net> wrote in message news:mailman.202.1258432817.2037.genanz@rootsweb.com... > Dear FarmI; > You wasted time writing it, - I wasted my precious time reading a wee > bit of it, - now I will break one of my cardinal rules, and not snip, and > the whole will clutter up the Archives.. > Edna MacPherson Sabato Dear Edna You are of course, free to do whatever you choose to do in a gatewayed group/list.

Thanks, Judy. This is great! I wasn't aware that they had a Thomas. There should have been one, as his paternal grandfather was Thomas. This rules out the other Thomas, the one that came to SA, if the death record is correct, and I think it would be, as there is no mention of a Thomas in that family in censuses and in his father's will. What is "FMP"? Regards, Kathy --- On Wed, 18/11/09, abhcon <abhcon@senet.com.au> wrote: > From: abhcon <abhcon@senet.com.au> > Subject: RE: Thomas PRETTY - South Australia look-up please > To: "'Kathy Pearson'" <kathypea@yahoo.com.au>, genanz@rootsweb.com > Received: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 9:21 AM > Hi Kathy, > > The Dorset Baptism records on FMP have your GGGrandmother's > brother Thomas' > baptism in 1802 in Poole, and the Burial records have the > death of what > appears to be the same child in 1807 in Poole. > > Regards > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:genanz-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Kathy Pearson > Sent: Tuesday, 17 November 2009 1:13 PM > To: genanz@rootsweb.com > Subject: Thomas PRETTY - South Australia look-up please > > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone have access to the Biographical Index of South > Australians? I am > trying to find out the names of the parents of Thomas > PRETTY, who with wife > Mary nee SPOONER and ten children arrived in Adelaide on > board the Success > on 28 January 1848. I would like to know if he was a son of > John and Mary > (nee HACKETT) PRETTY of Poole in Dorset, and therefore a > brother of my great > great grandmother Anne Taylor WALKER nee PRETTY, who also > arrived in > Australia in that year but settled in NSW. > > If parents' names are not listed in the Biog. Index, can > anyone suggest > alternative sources to research? I have tried familysearch, > but cannot find > Thomas' birth. > > Thanks. > > Kathy > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to > Yahoo!7. > Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/

"Kathy Pearson" <kathypea@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:mailman.193.1258431537.2037.genanz@rootsweb.com... > >MargM, you have just confirmed my reasons for hardly ever using this >list any more. If you were going to be so snipey why use this time ? 1. Did I ask you specifically if you had the biogs at home? I DO have access to these records at my local FHS . I could have phoned our library and asked someone to check for me Cant see that happening now ........................... 2. The reference to his children's non-recorded marriages in SA does not answer my questions. If I knew their names I could have looked up freebmds or whichever and maybe got some clue 3. My enquiry said he and his wife and children arrived in 1848. Obviously they were already married/born elsewhere! With 10 kids I would hope so 4. Just because _you_ can't find him in the 1841 census doesn't mean he didn't exist, does it? Bloody hell did I say that ?.............. I dunno why I bothered to try to help 5. Why should someone requesting specific information have to document evidence of the few facts that are already known? Lord save us your certainly got out of bed on the wrong side . Why be SO nasty ? Bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW

"Lynnette Fiddick" <mail.list@lynnettefiddick.com> wrote in message > Hello.....?? You can call me FarmI. I answer to that. I'll treat your comments as if I was doing a bit of research on an ancestor so you can see why perhaps your wants may not be the same as mine (and before you get a fit of the screaming heebygeebies at what I write, this is just an excercise - I don't know you and you could be the most lovely person in the world but I am analytical in nature and not a feely person so I don't need to know someones name or anything about them. I am interested in genie research for what it teaches me and not what others can GIVE to me or DO for me. I don't ask for any help that requires off list/group resonses because I want to do all work myself. The only time I have ever asked for help is in terms of generalised information needs that could just as validly be answered on the list/group as it could have been offline. I don't ever post specific 'please do my research for me' requests. I want to do all my own genie research but very occasionally I'd like some information of a general nature from others who are familiar with certain repositories/records that I've not used before. YMMV. I wrote about foilbes. I didn't ask for anything, I didn't suggest that anyone must do something or should do something. I only commented that we all have foilbes and mine are not to sign, not to want email and that I don't find replying offlist helpful. To that I will now add that I firmly believe that off list/group replys do not invlove the concept of sharing or being helpful. Sharing and helping can come from learing about how other think or what resources they have used or have found. > Normally, I would not reply to you simply because I do not know who to > address, however, on this occasion I am replying just to explain why a > name > is important and a signature, of some kind, at the end of an email is > useful. Poster claims their name is Lynnette Fiddick (note: this could be an alias, further research required to establish existence of such a person given source which is online and therefore needs verification) states that it is 'important' to do something. (Why is this important to the poster? Is it because of their upbringing or is it just a personality quirk? Other possible reasons for their definiton of 'important'?) Note time/date/season. > Providing your name is simply a way of expressing goodwill and courtesy, > and > surely these are important beginnings when asking someone to give of their > own time to help you do something or find something. Something akin to > shaking hands, smiling and introducing yourself when face to face with > someone, or addressing and signing a letter. Does poster have a need to feel that they are the recipient of goodwill? Note use of word 'courtesy' - 'gently raised' upbringing perhaps? Giving of time seems to be 'conditional' on behaviour on part of others that meets their own expectations. Check to see if poster did voluntary community work and if this also had 'conditional' element attached. Any evidence of poster doing things for others merely for altruism or because query piqued interest? Poster responds as if there has been an actual request for someone to 'do something'. Why? Is this evidence that poster has comprehension problems or does poster always write in response to own agenda? > You are certainly entitled to withhold your whereabouts if you so choose, > but on email lists, without some indication of the GENERAL location in > which > you reside (no need to be specific or descriptive about the area) your > proximity to various records and repositories is unknown, e.g., you may be > somewhere in England, Germany, South Africa or even Australia, and this > can > affect my reply to you. Top poster - not longtime user with usenet background. Posts to rootsweb email list. Poster gives no recognition that they post to a gatewayed list. Why not aware? Oversight/ignorance? Possible scenarios - new user/older user/average home user? Typed in haste/without thought perhaps? - no spelling errors or other evidence of mistakes which often occur with haste. Poster is perhaps unaware of 'properties' function and what that can reveal - further evidence of previously mentioned scenarios??? Check posting history. Do 'whois' check. > If you requested assistance of some kind via a mailing list, and you are > residing in South Africa, it would not be useful for me to suggest the > record you require is available by visiting the NSW State Records Office > (archives) however, if I knew you were not able to take a short drive to > that repository, I may be able to suggest alternative means to obtain the > record locally or perhaps by applying online to that office and providing > you with the contact details. Many listers offer to obtain documents, > often > at no cost and usually just for photocopying and postage, if they are > aware > the person requesting assistance is remote from the repository. Poster is near city of Sydney - says Central Coast in sig block. Check Phone Books/Electoral Rolls spreading out from Sydney Northern oustskirts proceeding Notherwards as far as Taree (prolly too far but could be misdirecting). Note use of 'short drive' - given location could be a misdirect? May actually live within 'short drive' distance from NSW Archives - what is definition of 'short drive' in Sydney? If no go with Central Coast location, start with 20 minutes from Archives (what would that distance in Sydney be given traffic lights/traffic/time of day for access to NSW Archives etc - more research needed to establish - may need to revise in future as 'short drive' to poster could be five minutes - note use of 'drive' has car or access to driver of car - more likely drives self given wording)? Seems to think has been asked to do something - why? Writes as if some familiarity with NSW State Archives - given response is on genie list - prolly genie/family historian. Search related online genie archives. Check GRDs for alias/name/evidence of interests - may give time frame for interest/establish if name or alias. Offers to give advice on resources - keep in mind when checking history of community work (note 'advice' - not actually do something). > Re replying to the individual rather than the list....this is often > because > the person replying does not want their email address to made "public" for > some reason, or they may be offering to assist in some way and do not wish > to "go public" because they could be inundated with similar requests. For > whatever reason, this is once again an option entirely up to them, but at > least they have paid you the courtesy of replying to your enquiry. Not logical? ('askers' of help need to give valid email addys/responders may 'have reasons' not to do so - goose/gander syndrome). Has probably offered help offlist/group. Nice person to help or just has strong need for privacy? Explore both options - sounds like nice person but could be misdirect. May have been prevailed upon by opportunists in past given comment about 'inundated'? Not prepared to acknowledge value of archiving???? Keep in mind when checking genie interest - possible keen amateur?? Again mention of 'courtesy' - strong theme developing there. > One last point: you said any genie is aware of the value of archives, > including those for Mailing Lists, and I most certainly agree with that. > We > are also aware that in order to receive information, we have to show we > are > willing to share information. Unfortunately, your archived emails will > show > your reluctance to share even your name and general locality, and that may > not inspire many people to contact you. Not thorough in research - did not check archives comprehensively. Limited exploration of possible scenarios - more evidence of 'gentle raising' or lack of exposure to life's seamier elements?? Requires sharing or personal information. Why? ____________________________________ That is a short (and rather sloppy) illustration of how I do analysis when I receive information. It's not about you. It's about the information given. It's about who, where, what, when and why and it doesn't matter whether it is you who gives out information or if it is an ancestor I am tracking. > 'Bye for now > Lynne Fiddick > > =============================== > Central Coast, NSW, AUSTRALIA > =============================== > > > -----Original Message----- > From: FarmI [mailto:ask@itshall be given] > Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 10:54 AM > To: genanz@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: nsw bdm- message format > > We all have foibles. My foible is that I don't sign and I expect replies > to > be sent to where they are read ie: the list. Others have different > foilbes > such as wating a signature and repling direct by way of email to the > asker. > > I think the latter habit of replying to 'on list' questions by email is > very > unhelpful given that any genie should know about the value of 'archives' > included online archives. > > (unsigned and quite deliberately so) > > > >

Dear FarmI; You wasted time writing it, - I wasted my precious time reading a wee bit of it, - now I will break one of my cardinal rules, and not snip, and the whole will clutter up the Archives.. Edna MacPherson Sabato ----- Original Message ----- From: "FarmI" <ask@itshall.be.given> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.australia+nz To: <genanz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: nsw bdm- message format > "Lynnette Fiddick" <mail.list@lynnettefiddick.com> wrote in message >> Hello.....?? > > You can call me FarmI. I answer to that. > > I'll treat your comments as if I was doing a bit of research on an > ancestor so you can see why perhaps your wants may not be the same as mine > (and before you get a fit of the screaming heebygeebies at what I write, > this is just an excercise - I don't know you and you could be the most > lovely person in the world but I am analytical in nature and not a feely > person so I don't need to know someones name or anything about them. I am > interested in genie research for what it teaches me and not what others > can GIVE to me or DO for me. > > I don't ask for any help that requires off list/group resonses because I > want to do all work myself. The only time I have ever asked for help is > in terms of generalised information needs that could just as validly be > answered on the list/group as it could have been offline. I don't ever > post specific 'please do my research for me' requests. I want to do all > my own genie research but very occasionally I'd like some information of a > general nature from others who are familiar with certain > repositories/records that I've not used before. YMMV. > > I wrote about foilbes. I didn't ask for anything, I didn't suggest that > anyone must do something or should do something. I only commented that we > all have foilbes and mine are not to sign, not to want email and that I > don't find replying offlist helpful. To that I will now add that I firmly > believe that off list/group replys do not invlove the concept of sharing > or being helpful. Sharing and helping can come from learing about how > other think or what resources they have used or have found. > >> Normally, I would not reply to you simply because I do not know who to >> address, however, on this occasion I am replying just to explain why a >> name >> is important and a signature, of some kind, at the end of an email is >> useful. > > Poster claims their name is Lynnette Fiddick (note: this could be an > alias, further research required to establish existence of such a person > given source which is online and therefore needs verification) states that > it is 'important' to do something. (Why is this important to the poster? > Is it because of their upbringing or is it just a personality quirk? > Other possible reasons for their definiton of 'important'?) Note > time/date/season. > >> Providing your name is simply a way of expressing goodwill and courtesy, >> and >> surely these are important beginnings when asking someone to give of >> their >> own time to help you do something or find something. Something akin to >> shaking hands, smiling and introducing yourself when face to face with >> someone, or addressing and signing a letter. > > Does poster have a need to feel that they are the recipient of goodwill? > Note use of word 'courtesy' - 'gently raised' upbringing perhaps? Giving > of time seems to be 'conditional' on behaviour on part of others that > meets their own expectations. Check to see if poster did voluntary > community work and if this also had 'conditional' element attached. Any > evidence of poster doing things for others merely for altruism or because > query piqued interest? Poster responds as if there has been an actual > request for someone to 'do something'. Why? Is this evidence that poster > has comprehension problems or does poster always write in response to own > agenda? > >> You are certainly entitled to withhold your whereabouts if you so choose, >> but on email lists, without some indication of the GENERAL location in >> which >> you reside (no need to be specific or descriptive about the area) your >> proximity to various records and repositories is unknown, e.g., you may >> be >> somewhere in England, Germany, South Africa or even Australia, and this >> can >> affect my reply to you. > > Top poster - not longtime user with usenet background. Posts to rootsweb > email list. Poster gives no recognition that they post to a gatewayed > list. Why not aware? Oversight/ignorance? Possible scenarios - new > user/older user/average home user? Typed in haste/without thought > perhaps? - no spelling errors or other evidence of mistakes which often > occur with haste. Poster is perhaps unaware of 'properties' function and > what that can reveal - further evidence of previously mentioned > scenarios??? Check posting history. Do 'whois' check. > >> If you requested assistance of some kind via a mailing list, and you are >> residing in South Africa, it would not be useful for me to suggest the >> record you require is available by visiting the NSW State Records Office >> (archives) however, if I knew you were not able to take a short drive to >> that repository, I may be able to suggest alternative means to obtain the >> record locally or perhaps by applying online to that office and providing >> you with the contact details. Many listers offer to obtain documents, >> often >> at no cost and usually just for photocopying and postage, if they are >> aware >> the person requesting assistance is remote from the repository. > > Poster is near city of Sydney - says Central Coast in sig block. Check > Phone Books/Electoral Rolls spreading out from Sydney Northern oustskirts > proceeding Notherwards as far as Taree (prolly too far but could be > misdirecting). Note use of 'short drive' - given location could be a > misdirect? May actually live within 'short drive' distance from NSW > Archives - what is definition of 'short drive' in Sydney? If no go with > Central Coast location, start with 20 minutes from Archives (what would > that distance in Sydney be given traffic lights/traffic/time of day for > access to NSW Archives etc - more research needed to establish - may need > to revise in future as 'short drive' to poster could be five minutes - > note use of 'drive' has car or access to driver of car - more likely > drives self given wording)? Seems to think has been asked to do > something - why? Writes as if some familiarity with NSW State Archives - > given response is on genie list - prolly genie/family historian. Search > related online genie archives. Check GRDs for alias/name/evidence of > interests - may give time frame for interest/establish if name or alias. > Offers to give advice on resources - keep in mind when checking history of > community work (note 'advice' - not actually do something). > >> Re replying to the individual rather than the list....this is often >> because >> the person replying does not want their email address to made "public" >> for >> some reason, or they may be offering to assist in some way and do not >> wish >> to "go public" because they could be inundated with similar requests. For >> whatever reason, this is once again an option entirely up to them, but at >> least they have paid you the courtesy of replying to your enquiry. > > Not logical? ('askers' of help need to give valid email addys/responders > may 'have reasons' not to do so - goose/gander syndrome). Has probably > offered help offlist/group. Nice person to help or just has strong need > for privacy? Explore both options - sounds like nice person but could be > misdirect. May have been prevailed upon by opportunists in past given > comment about 'inundated'? Not prepared to acknowledge value of > archiving???? Keep in mind when checking genie interest - possible keen > amateur?? Again mention of 'courtesy' - strong theme developing there. > >> One last point: you said any genie is aware of the value of archives, >> including those for Mailing Lists, and I most certainly agree with that. >> We >> are also aware that in order to receive information, we have to show we >> are >> willing to share information. Unfortunately, your archived emails will >> show >> your reluctance to share even your name and general locality, and that >> may >> not inspire many people to contact you. > > Not thorough in research - did not check archives comprehensively. > Limited exploration of possible scenarios - more evidence of 'gentle > raising' or lack of exposure to life's seamier elements?? Requires > sharing or personal information. Why? > > ____________________________________ > That is a short (and rather sloppy) illustration of how I do analysis when > I receive information. It's not about you. It's about the information > given. It's about who, where, what, when and why and it doesn't matter > whether it is you who gives out information or if it is an ancestor I am > tracking. > >> 'Bye for now >> Lynne Fiddick >> >> =============================== >> Central Coast, NSW, AUSTRALIA >> =============================== >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: FarmI [mailto:ask@itshall be given] >> Sent: Monday, 16 November 2009 10:54 AM >> To: genanz@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: nsw bdm- message format >> >> We all have foibles. My foible is that I don't sign and I expect replies >> to >> be sent to where they are read ie: the list. Others have different >> foilbes >> such as wating a signature and repling direct by way of email to the >> asker. >> >> I think the latter habit of replying to 'on list' questions by email is >> very >> unhelpful given that any genie should know about the value of 'archives' >> included online archives. >> >> (unsigned and quite deliberately so) >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >