Dear Joe, On the 1903 electoral roll, all those with with the surname GEARD appear on the TASMANIA electoral Roll. None in NSW. There is no listing for an Arthur Augustine. Arthur Augustine may have some connection with the other ARTHURs that served in WW2 and were born in Zeehan, Tasmania http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/ http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm >From the NSW bdm register the following marriages are shown Registration Number Groom's Surname Groom's Given Name(s) Bride's Last Name at Time of Marriage Bride's Given Name(s) District 5150/1913 GEARD ARTHUR A KANE VIOLET E REDFERN 13759/1913 GEARD WALTER L SYKES MAY V ASHFIELD 6544/1955 GEARD RAYMOND GEORGE CHAPLIN AUDREY HILMA COOMA There is no death registered for him in NSW up to 1979 He may have died in another state or after 1979 The earliest GEARDs births registered in NSW were in 1853 ... church records before state records started http://www.ryersonindex.org/ The Ryerson index shows many GEARDs but no Arthur Augustine. This simply means his death was not shown in the newspapers that have been transcribed. Not all deaths are published in newspapers http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/family-history-research.htm There is no death record for him in Queensland to 1964 You will now have to start searching old phone books and electoral rolls. Unfortunately the early rolls are not alphabetical I hope the above serves as some kind of starting point for you. Cheers, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 10 Jan 2010 at 12:53, Joe Hupp wrote: From: "Joe Hupp" <josephhupp@bigpond.com> Subject: Geard, Arthur Augustine Date sent: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:53:58 GMT Organization: BigPond Internet Services To: genanz@rootsweb.com > Hi all, > > I have a weird request that I need 1000% help on! > > The gentleman mentioned above is my great grandfather and my mum and I are > having lots of trouble finding him anywhere! Is there anywhere we can try > and get info, other then Ancestry.com and rootsweb.com??? > > Will fill you all in with further info as you want it! > > Joe Hupp > DUBBO NSW No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.132/2611 - Release Date: 01/10/10 18:35:00

Hi all, Arthur Augustine Geard was apparently a acrobat at some time and changed his name to Arthur Augustine St Clair. He married Violet Evelyn Kane in 1913 - his marriage certificate shows that his father was Herbert Geard but no mother was listed! WWI records in the National Archives under St Clair states he was born in Melbourne - no birth records exist! We have both Arthur and Violet's death certificates- Arthur died in 1934 and Violet in 1932.... both state buried at Rookwood. They had 7 children,one of which is my mum's father.We are trying to find out any information on Arthur as he appears to be a mystery! We found a lot of information on Rootsweb - mainly relating to my mum's first marriage! TIA Joe

I also endorse everyone's comments about the GRo -  an excellent service, the turn around is really something! They have another little option - parent checks that you can put in if you aren't sure you have the right person, but you know who their parents were.  If you tick this option, the GRO will check first and IF the certificate you are requesting isn't the right person, they will let you know and only charge you £5 for checking the parents, and  you won't collect unwanted certificates that don't belong to your family.   Cheers Angie On Sun 10/01/10 05:02 , "billannieliam" billannieliam@ozemail.com.au sent: Happy New Year Genanz I seem to remember quite a while ago an organization where a UK marriage certificate could be ordered and paid for in Australian dollars?? Does anyone know if this company still exists.? Otherwise how do other Australian list members go about obtaining these certificates. Thank you Annie Stuart billannieliam@ozemail.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Annie, On the Lancashire genealogy mailing list there is an Antony Lambert who offers the service using your local cheque for those who did not have the option to use either a credit card or debit card. I notice Antony now offers a far simpler service via Paypal which is Ebay. Ebay Australia has offices in North Sydney which would simplify matters with your local Australia cheque to avoid the $10++ international bank cheque charge I have not done money transfer using Western Union at your local post office but I suspect there are international charges applying also. Details of what you do are on http://www.c5d.co.uk/ and there is a currency converter on that page. More details and e-mail contact are on http://www.c5d.co.uk/certificates.htm Cheers & happy hunting, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 10 Jan 2010 at 16:02, billannieliam wrote: From: "billannieliam" <billannieliam@ozemail.com.au> To: <GENANZ-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re ordering UK marriage certificate-help please Date sent: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:02:24 +1100 > Happy New Year Genanz > I seem to remember quite a while ago an organization where a UK marriage > certificate could be ordered and paid for in Australian dollars?? > Does anyone know if this company still exists.? > Otherwise how do other Australian list members go about obtaining these > certificates. > Thank you > Annie Stuart > billannieliam@ozemail.com.au No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.132/2610 - Release Date: 01/10/10 06:35:00

Have you tried getting a copy of any papers relating to an official name change? If one exists it may give more information

mothers name listed on death reg as below the NSW CD 'Between the wars" 1919-1946 (dos version) lists Surname STCLAIR Given name ARTHUR A Index year 1934 Father HERBERT Mother CARRIE Place of reg RANDWICK Reg year 1934 Reg number 7920 Prefix R

Thanks Marg and thank you for all the useful and helpful information you post to the list. I'm sure I speak for everyone. Regards Annie ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.australia+nz To: <genanz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Re ordering UK marriage certificate-help please > > "billannieliam" <billannieliam@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message > news:mailman.272.1263099741.14600.genanz@rootsweb.com... >> Happy New Year Genanz >> I seem to remember quite a while ago an organization where a UK >> marriage certificate could be ordered and paid for in Australian >> dollars?? >> Does anyone know if this company still exists.? >> Otherwise how do other Australian list members go about obtaining these >> certificates. >> > Annie the GRO service is excellent ............... Last English cert I > ordered was about a year ago. Ordered on line 4.30 pm EST /Sydney time > and the doc was delivered by Aus Post the following Tuesday afternoon > ........amazing service > > Mid Nov 2009 I ordered 4 NSW transcripts and had to wait 2 days short of a > month . Access to all the Australia BDM record is a debacle with their > different access restrictions, prices, whats a historic records in NSW > isnt elsewhere etc etc etc. VIC certs have been downloadable for some > time and its a great service. SA dont even have on line indexes and > charge an arm and a leg. Federation on 1 Jan 1901 passed them by > > > Bye > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

"billannieliam" <billannieliam@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:mailman.272.1263099741.14600.genanz@rootsweb.com... > Happy New Year Genanz > I seem to remember quite a while ago an organization where a UK > marriage certificate could be ordered and paid for in Australian > dollars?? > Does anyone know if this company still exists.? > Otherwise how do other Australian list members go about obtaining > these certificates. > Annie the GRO service is excellent ............... Last English cert I ordered was about a year ago. Ordered on line 4.30 pm EST /Sydney time and the doc was delivered by Aus Post the following Tuesday afternoon ........amazing service Mid Nov 2009 I ordered 4 NSW transcripts and had to wait 2 days short of a month . Access to all the Australia BDM record is a debacle with their different access restrictions, prices, whats a historic records in NSW isnt elsewhere etc etc etc. VIC certs have been downloadable for some time and its a great service. SA dont even have on line indexes and charge an arm and a leg. Federation on 1 Jan 1901 passed them by Bye

Ditto. I buy mine online and have been very pleased with the price and speed with which I have received them through the post (particularly compared with the costs and glacial speed of our local Qld Registrar-General!). No problems whatsoever with the online credit card payment. Kerry

Ditto. I buy mine online and have been very pleased with the price and with which I have received them through the post (particularly compared with the costs and glacial speed of our local Qld Registrar-General!). No problems whatsoever with the online credit card payment. Kerry

Annie, You can order them direct from the GRO itself online and pay by credit card - as you know UK certificates are £7. Here's the URL http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ I've heard there are some commercial companies which offer the facility to order UK certificates but they apparently add on charges of their own, so not a good option. Alison :-) Sydney Oz ============================ billannieliam wrote: > Happy New Year Genanz > I seem to remember quite a while ago an organization where a UK marriage > certificate could be ordered and paid for in Australian dollars?? > Does anyone know if this company still exists.? > Otherwise how do other Australian list members go about obtaining these > > > >

Happy New Year Genanz I seem to remember quite a while ago an organization where a UK marriage certificate could be ordered and paid for in Australian dollars?? Does anyone know if this company still exists.? Otherwise how do other Australian list members go about obtaining these certificates. Thank you Annie Stuart billannieliam@ozemail.com.au

Hi all, I have a weird request that I need 1000% help on! The gentleman mentioned above is my great grandfather and my mum and I are having lots of trouble finding him anywhere! Is there anywhere we can try and get info, other then Ancestry.com and rootsweb.com??? Will fill you all in with further info as you want it! Joe Hupp DUBBO NSW

billannieliam wrote: > Happy New Year Genanz > I seem to remember quite a while ago an organization where a UK > marriage certificate could be ordered and paid for in Australian dollars?? > Does anyone know if this company still exists.? > Otherwise how do other Australian list members go about obtaining these > certificates. > Thank you > Annie Stuart > billannieliam@ozemail.com.au > I buy mine direct also. Saves lots of $$$$ and the turn around time is about two weeks. Some times it is a little quicker. Why pay commercial organizations to do what you can do on the Net in a matter of minutes. I did phone them direct once and order over the phone, as I was not sure of the security of my Visa. I don't know if you can still do this, internet's a lot easier and have no problem. Ray

Dear Ednad, The SA Births CD has the following children. The CD records births only up to 1906 Surname Given Names Date Sex Father Mother Birth Place/RDistrict Code Book Page YOUNG Mary Isabel 1891-05-01 F John Brown YOUNG Christiana MINARD Adelaide Ade 478 260 YOUNG Annie Christina 1892-10-22 F John Brown YOUNG Christiana MINARD Adelaide Ade 510 349 YOUNG Malcolm James 1894-09-08 M John Brown YOUNG Christiana MINARD Adelaide Ade 550 181 YOUNG Jessie Helen 1896-01-07 F John Brown YOUNG Christina MINARD Adelaide Ade 577 203 YOUNG Margaret Georgina 1897-09-18 F John Brown YOUNG Christiana MINARD Adelaide Ade 610 229 YOUNG Walter John 1899-07-07 M John Brown YOUNG Christina MINARD Adelaide Ade 643 317 YOUNG Douglas Gordon 7/17/1903 M John Brown YOUNG Christiana MINARD Adelaide Ade 715 297 Cheers & Happy Hunting, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 9 Jan 2010 at 15:19, whistler wrote: Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:19:39 +0800 Subject: CHRISTIANA MINARD From: whistler <whistler34@gmail.com> To: GENANZ@rootsweb.com > Hi list, > I am trying to find any descendants of CHRISTIANA MINARD born 12 > Sept 1860 Islington S.A who married JOHN BROWN YOUNG born 20 th Dec 1863 > Port Adelaide, they were married 24 th April 1890.Any help greatful> > EDNAD No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2608 - Release Date: 01/09/10 06:35:00

Hi Mags, I have some information from the book "From Chains to Freedom, the Bellett linkage plus the Kidner family, 1788-1988" by Thais Mason (who died last year). Her information is slightly different from what you have below (I didn't see your original message). She has Jacob Bellett, transported aboard the Scarborough (a second volume gives the ship as the Lady Penrhyn) in First Fleet, born Shoreditch London 1765, died Tasmania 2/12/1813, married 1794 Norfolk Island to Ann Harper (Harpur), transported Lady Juliana in 2nd Fleet, born Bristol England 1772, died Tasmania 10/9/1842. There is no mention of a second marriage for Ann, but then, Thais was mainly interested in the Bellett line. Cheers, Jon Martin. > From: magsdags <magsdags@internode.on.net> > Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:33:21 +1000 > To: <genanz@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Headstone at Sorrel Tasmania. > > Many thanks to Ruth & Lyn for your replies. It is still a mystery as she > is listed at Bellette, Ann Harrison at Sorrel Cemetery and Harrison, Ann > on the Tasmanian Pioneer Records. The search continues. > I need to find a marriage after the death of her husband Jacob Bellette > in 1815 and her death in 1842. > Regards, > Mags. Townsville. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENANZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, I am trying to find any descendants of CHRISTIANA MINARD born 12 Sept 1860 Islington S.A who married JOHN BROWN YOUNG born 20 th Dec 1863 Port Adelaide, they were married 24 th April 1890.Any help greatful. EDNAD

No births found on the 1907-1928 CD however on the South Australian Deaths Registrations 1842 to 1915 Surname: YOUNG Given Names: Margaret Georgina Date: 1898-04-24 Sex: F Age: 7m Status: C Relative: John Brown YOUNG (F) Relative 2: Residence: Adelaide Death Place: Adelaide District Code: Ade Symbol: Book: 251 Page: 383 Cross Reference: Digger - South Australian Marriages, Registrations 1917-1937 Groom: YOUNG Given names: Malcolm James Bride: COOLEY Given names: Winifred May Date: 1921-03-08 Groom Age: 26 Status: S Groom's Father: John Brown YOUNG Bride Age: 20 Status: S Bride's Father: Edmund Thomas COOLEY Place: Presbyterian Church Flinders St Adelaide District: Ade Symbol: Book/Page: 286/661 Cross Reference: Groom: YOUNG Given names: Douglas Gordon Bride: NETTELBECK Given names: Lulu Adella Date: 1927-09-07 Groom Age: 24 Status: S Groom's Father: John Brown YOUNG Bride Age: 24 Status: S Bride's Father: Julius Herman Otto NETTELBECK Place: Presbyterian Church Hawthorn District: Ade Symbol: Book/Page: 312/742 Cross Reference: Groom: KOHLER Given names: Otto Alfred Bride: YOUNG Given names: Mary Isabel Date: 1921-04-30 Groom Age: 31 Status: S Groom's Father: George Carl Wilhelm KOHLER Bride Age: 29 Status: S Bride's Father: John Brown YOUNG Place: Presbyterian Church Flinders St Adelaide District: Ade Symbol: Book/Page: 287/467 Cross Reference: Groom: CROUCH Given names: Julius Oliver Bride: YOUNG Given names: Jessie Helen Date: 1929-04-27 Groom Age: 33 Status: S Groom's Father: Harry CROUCH Bride Age: 33 Status: S Bride's Father: John Brown YOUNG Place: Presbyterian Church Hawthorn District: Ade Symbol: Book/Page: 319/356 Cross Reference:

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http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Search/Home?lookfor=author%3ASmee+C+J&type=author&limits=format%3ABook&submit=Find ought to do it. Chris "Chris Watts" <ng@ctwatts.plus.com> wrote in message news:... > Surely the NLA have them and thus they will be in their online catalogue > Chris > > "zanthia1967" <zanthia1967@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > news:83d05456-3750-44c2-9b02-d8761cf3ced3@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com... >> Hoping someone can point me in the right direction to find a complete >> list of "black books" by Smee. Titles include Pioneer Register (at >> least 5 volumes) and books about first, second and third fleet. I have >> searched the web for a full list but the best I can do re the >> listeings that Lilrarys have of their items. >> I have found information in the books by Smee that have enabled me to >> continue my research when other sources have run dry. By using his >> family groups as a start point to aim my research I have been able to >> verify people in family groups that I had previously not known about. >> >> Hoping someone can help me with the list. > >