William Lyons was a coach builder and lived in Sale Victoria from about 1860. Amongst his possessions was a document of parole relating to his father George. George was a sea captain from Liverpool and during the 1812 war with the US captained the Brig Thames as a privateer vessel. After some success he met his match in the US ship the Yankee captained by Elias Snow. Upon capture the Americans offered him a parole if he agreed not to raise arms against the US again. George agreed and went on to ( we think) captain the James & Mary but died of yellow fever together with his son in Jamaica about 1820. Many of his descendants seem to have a replica transcription of the document but no one knows where the original went. After trying many avenues such as the Sale Historical Society and contactable descendants of George we are stumped. So in a last ditch attempt to find the document and hopefully get an copy of the real thing, if anyone knows of the said document we would be more than happy to hear from you. Paul PS I probably have as much chance of a Lotto win as finding the document but who knows.

L Stitt wrote: > Good morning fellow listers. > > I have a problem --- Clarence Frederick LANGE > > Clarence died St. Andrews Hospital Toowoomba 8 Nov 1992. At the time of > his death he was living at below address. > > Salem Lutheran Rest Home Hostel, 280 HUME STREET, TOOWOOMBA . > > 10 of Nov he was laid to rest in the Garden of Remembrance Cemetery > Toowoomba. > > i believe his wife is also in this cemetery - Audrey LANGE > > We do not have his children---- Michael & Elizabeth plus another son > that we know of so, are not able to contact them, they are our first > cousins. > > Is it possible for some one to look up his death notice / or check > funeral records for this missing information??? > > At one time he and his wife owned a national trust home in Toowoomba. I > believe they took in boarders. This information from my mother, his > sister, before she died 1993. > > The above are too recent for us to check > > Thanking you in advance > > Lorraine I not sure if this will help but the there are online grave records at http://ww2.toowoombarc.qld.gov.au/gravefinder Hope this is helps.

Good morning fellow listers. I have a problem --- Clarence Frederick LANGE Clarence died St. Andrews Hospital Toowoomba 8 Nov 1992. At the time of his death he was living at below address. Salem Lutheran Rest Home Hostel, 280 HUME STREET, TOOWOOMBA . 10 of Nov he was laid to rest in the Garden of Remembrance Cemetery Toowoomba. i believe his wife is also in this cemetery - Audrey LANGE We do not have his children---- Michael & Elizabeth plus another son that we know of so, are not able to contact them, they are our first cousins. Is it possible for some one to look up his death notice / or check funeral records for this missing information??? At one time he and his wife owned a national trust home in Toowoomba. I believe they took in boarders. This information from my mother, his sister, before she died 1993. The above are too recent for us to check Thanking you in advance Lorraine

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Hello Listers, I am trying to trace a child reared by Edmund Keating and his wife Jane. They married in 1875 in Parramatta and he was the caretaker and undertaker of Rookwood cemetery for many years. They had 5 sons of their own (one died in infancy) and reared Margaret Conroy, known as Maggie Keating. Maggie was the daughter of Ethel Conroy who was unmarried and she gave the child to her maternal aunt, Jane Keating to rear. I can find no death or marriage for Maggie. I would like to know what happened to her. Kathryn Rogers

"Joanne Flack" <bell.bird@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:mailman.516.1263898883.14600.genanz@rootsweb.com... Hi Listers I have Elizabeth Beavis nee McKenzie, wife of Robert Beavis, convict, at the Sydney Markets in 1859, where she had brought produce - possibly fruit- from the family orchard in the Field of Mars - for sale at the Sydney Markets. Following the sale of the fruit, and whilst placing her empty cases on her cart she had the money, from the sale of the goods, stolen. There was a chase, the culprit was caught, the hard earned nine pounds recovered and the would- be thief charged with the offence that day. I would love to have help regarding how this lady drove her cart from the Field of Mars to Sydney. Does any Lister know the route she may have taken - rivers to cross, bumpty and dangerous roads to traverse, a long, tiring journey. How long would have the journey taken by cart? Hi Joanne An interesting question . She would have been hard pressed to go by road as I dont think there where any bridges over the Parramatta River that early aside from the Lennox Bridge in Parramatta itself ? The railway to Parramatta was there from 1855 but on the south side of the river Maybe she had her own sailing boat ?? or there was a ferry ? http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/transport has alot of info about early transport Bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW

Thanks Ken I told me late mum I would never read Truth! Still it is for research. Paul Ken Gibb wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:31:52 +1100, PTP <paultp@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have been tracking a person I found in a report in the Melbourne Argus >> in March 1907. He was convicted of false pretences ( passing dud >> cheques) and sentenced to six months imprisonment on two counts to be >> served concurrently. The newspaper article was under Criminal Sitting >> but did not name the court. The name of the judge is unreadable. >> I assume he would serve his time in Pentridge seeing as how this was >> Melbourne. I have looked at the index of prisoners and just my luck, one >> that may be him is hard to read and indeed may not be the fellow. The >> digital records are not complete and he is not in the ones completed. >> Before I go and inspect the actual records, can anyone suggest where >> else he may have served his time for such an offence? >> Thanks >> Paul > > Melbourne TRUTH may have more detail. > > > Ken > > Ken & Jill Gibb, gibb@westnet.com.au > Mordialloc, > Vic. Australia.

On Jan 21, 12:32 pm, CJB <chrisjbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Wednesday, 20 January, 2010, 4:28 > > Fresh bid to salvage historic Scots ship > > EXCLUSIVE: CHRIS WATT > > Published on 20 Jan 2010 > > When the City of Adelaide docked in Australia in 1865, her cargo of > Scots migrants was welcomed with fireworks and open arms. > City of Adelaide in old Aust. / NZ NewspapersFriday, 22 January, 2010 1:34 Lots of references to the ship in old newspapers: New Zealand http://tinyurl.com/yzlwvcb Australia http://tinyurl.com/ylftuvv You'll have to vary the search terms to find other references. Chris B.

Rhonda, NSW births on CD go to 1918 Alison :-) ------------- Alf & Rhonda wrote: > What years does the CD Indexes go up to ?? ( online is 1909 ) > > But as Albert pointed out Kenneth Neil WILLIAMS died 1961 - parents look to > be correct - must have been born > after CD date ?? > > > > " > > >

I have been tracking a person I found in a report in the Melbourne Argus in March 1907. He was convicted of false pretences ( passing dud cheques) and sentenced to six months imprisonment on two counts to be served concurrently. The newspaper article was under Criminal Sitting but did not name the court. The name of the judge is unreadable. I assume he would serve his time in Pentridge seeing as how this was Melbourne. I have looked at the index of prisoners and just my luck, one that may be him is hard to read and indeed may not be the fellow. The digital records are not complete and he is not in the ones completed. Before I go and inspect the actual records, can anyone suggest where else he may have served his time for such an offence? Thanks Paul

Date: Wednesday, 20 January, 2010, 4:28 Fresh bid to salvage historic Scots ship EXCLUSIVE: CHRIS WATT Published on 20 Jan 2010 When the City of Adelaide docked in Australia in 1865, her cargo of Scots migrants was welcomed with fireworks and open arms. Now, a century and a half later, she lies derelict and forgotten in Irvine, threatened with demolition in the face of dwindling funds. This sorry situation could be about to change, however, through the last-minute intervention of a group of Australians, determined to salvage the historic clipper – formerly known as the HMS Carrick – for their own national good. The Government-backed delegation is to meet Culture Minister Fiona Hyslop today for talks they say could secure the vessel’s future as a museum in the city that bears its name. Peter Roberts and Tom Chapman, directors of the firm Clipper Ship City of Adelaide, are in the UK for a two-week round of negotiations that could provide a breakthrough in the long-running funding dispute surrounding the ship. Widely known in Scotland as HMS Carrick, a name bestowed during a spell with the Royal Navy in the mid-20th century, the ship formally reverted to the City of Adelaide in 2001, and generations of Australians have always known it by that title. Mr Roberts said: “Of all the ships to have brought immigrants to Australia, back to Captain Cook’s time and through the convict period and so on, the only remaining sailing ship is the City of Adelaide. She’s the last of the dinosaurs.” The City of Adelaide could now be returned to Australia without any extra cost to the people of Scotland, according to the visiting delegation. “One option is to destroy this important piece of heritage, and the other is to spend equivalent sort of money and save it,” Mr Roberts said. “It’s the state of South Australia’s 175th birthday next year, and this makes a tremendous opportunity to recognise not only the links between South Australia and Scotland – 26% of place names in the state come from Scotland – but it respects the large Scottish community in South Australia as well.” Around a quarter of the region’s population is directly descended from migrants who arrived on the City of Adelaide, Mr Roberts said, and a significant proportion of passengers were Scots who travelled to London or Portsmouth for the three-month journey. The City of Adelaide was launched in 1864, just a few decades after Europeans first settled in South Australia, and she was prized as one of the most remarkable vessels of her time. Built in Sunderland by William Pile, Hay and Co, she is one of only two surviving composite hull clipper ships anywhere in the world. The other is the Cutty Sark, five years younger than the City of Adelaide, which now holds pride of place in Greenwich as one of London’s most popular tourist attractions. During her 145-year history, the City of Adelaide survived 23 return journeys to Australia, and she served as a hospital ship and a Royal Navy training vessel before sinking in 1991, since when she was berthed on the Clyde and latterly has rotted onshore in North Ayrshire. The Australian delegation, which enjoys the support of their state government, estimates that it would cost £500,000 to break the ship up, and a further £650,000 to transport her safely to the southern hemisphere. A spokeswoman for Historic Scotland confirmed that today’s meeting was due to go ahead, and that Scottish authorities were “continuing to do all we can towards a positive solution being found”. Rival interest has sprung up in Sunderland, where the ship was built, and a local councillor staged a five-day occupation last year to protest against the Adelaide’s planned demolition. The Scottish Maritime Museum has been involved in negotiations, but acting director Jim Tildesley said in October there was little chance of Scotland finding the funds for a restoration, estimated at around £10 million. The Australian bid could prove the final hope for one of Scotland’s most historic vessels. Diaries chart hardship of the voyage to a new life. It was from the City of Adelaide’s crowded deck that hundreds of Scots caught their first glimpse of the colonies where they would start their new lives. Today, the Australian group proposing to bring the ship home to Adelaide has gathered the diaries of many Scots on the clipper’s earliest voyages. James Anderson McLauchlan set out in 1874, leaving his home in Dundee at the age of 21. He kept a diary almost all the way. In one typical entry, he records the hardships of life on board: “A birth and a death both in the same hour … bereaved parents were Irish, the child about nine months old, died about half past one … At 11 the bell tolled for its burial, the body having been sewed up in sailcloth and loaded at the feet was placed upon a board projecting over the ship’s side. It was then covered over by the Union Jack. The captain read the sea burial service in the middle of which at a given signal it was consigned to the deep. A feeling of awe spread over us all.” Another passenger, Melville Miller, left Dumfries with his wife in 1871, at the age of 30. In his surviving diary fragments, he records the “bustle and excitement” of the passage – but also the discomfort the voyagers encountered. He wrote: “78 degrees in shade. I do not know how I am to exist in Australia, when the heat is often over 100 degrees. We find the bath a great comfort. I have a plunge every forenoon – the water is salty, which, I think, must be healthful.”

Thanks for all who helped with my questions "Alf & Rhonda" <alfio99@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:tWv5n.2278$pv.1053@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > If sks could look up please - Birth NSW > > Frank Leopold WILLIAMS m. Margaret T JACKSON 1916 at Sydney > > any children ??? > > many thanks Rhonda > >

The NZ National Library is digitising all of its early newspapers. As is the Australians. These date from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. This means that the names of ships, and passengers can be searched for. Also the births and marriages and deaths etc. of folk living in those countries around that time .Whilst the OCR is OK there are obviously mistakes depending upon the quality of the originals. On the Australian site you can offer to retype the text correcting any OCR mistakes. These archives are works in progress. You have to play with the searches. See: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ Chris B.

What years does the CD Indexes go up to ?? ( online is 1909 ) But as Albert pointed out Kenneth Neil WILLIAMS died 1961 - parents look to be correct - must have been born after CD date ?? "Alf & Rhonda" <alfio99@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:tWv5n.2278$pv.1053@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > If sks could look up please - Birth NSW > > Frank Leopold WILLIAMS m. Margaret T JACKSON 1916 at Sydney > > any children ??? > > many thanks Rhonda > >

"Alf & Rhonda" <alfio99@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:tWv5n.2278$pv.1053@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > If sks could look up please - Birth NSW > > Frank Leopold WILLIAMS m. Margaret T JACKSON 1916 at > Sydney > > any children ??? > hi Rhonda Just Nance M b 1918 /30580 Glebe Bye -- MargM Beautiful Wyong Shire NSW

Hi I'm doing research into Francis HANEY who was born in Coxlodge Gosforth 29th Sept. 1901 his parents are James Edward HANEY b11th April Ireland and Eliza Jane MARTIN b 19th July 1867 New Gateshead. One line of the family moved to the States I think to Oregon, a Hank or Hugh HANEY. Trying to find more information on James Edwards parents etc. Any help much appreciated Kind regards Dianna

If sks could look up please - Birth NSW Frank Leopold WILLIAMS m. Margaret T JACKSON 1916 at Sydney any children ??? many thanks Rhonda

Dear Users, who knows s.th. about my great-grandmother Leontine ? There´s a photo of Leontine (1896) and of her four children (c. 1905/06) in my google-blog http://myyriku.blogspot.com/2010_01_11_archive.html Yours Jurgen