Hi Di, Thank you very much - I will check these out. Have a Merry & Safe Christmas & New Year Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2011 5:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details The original message was received at Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:15:46 +1100 from d114-78-162-92.meb801.vic.optusnet.com.au [114.78.162.92] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <[email protected]> (reason: 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mx1.tpgi.com.au.: >>> DATA <<< 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient)

>From The Argus, 8 June 1944 - AHERN.--On June 7, at private hospital, Melbourne, Terence Mortimer Ahern, of the Gresham Hotel, Brisbane, dearly beloved husband of Anne, and loved brother of John Ahern. Eileen Hocking, and Gertrude McLaughlin, aged 60 years.--Requiescat in pace. ------------------------------------------------ Historic Australian Newspapers, 1803 to 1954 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper Aherns in Australian Records http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ahcrim.htm ------------------------------------------------

Hi all, I am trying to find the parents and/or siblings of my great great grandparents below. HENRY JONES (born about 1832) who married BRIDGET BURN (born about 1836) on 14 Mar 1862 in Truro, South Australia. I am making the assumption that they were born somewhere over the waves. They had 3 children that I know of and I have much information about them and their families, although I cannot find an entry of birth in the S.A. BDMs, of their first child even though I have a birth date supplied by generous Jones researchers. Mary Eleanor Jones married my ancestory Herbert Clement Esse. I have his BMD certificates but I would like her birth cetificate. I am waiting on a reply from the Truro Historical Society and apart from looking 'almost' evrywhere, have not been lucky. Any assistance greatfully apprciated. Please reply to newsgroup, thank you. Regards, Di Maloney Vic. Australia

Pat, There are a couple of places youcould try although some of them are not specially for Douglas Pde: http://vhd.heritage.vic.gov.au/places/result_detail/15027?print=true www.williamstownhistsoc.org.au/ http://williamstowninfo.com.au/history.html I googled: williamstown historical society and found two of the links above. It's worth googling "Williamstown Vic" Good luck, Di ex Western Suburbs girl and lover of Williamstown "Pat Wade" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Hi, > > I am trying to piece together my, CAITHNESS family > of Williamstown, history. > > I would really love to collect some pictures of > the area. > > Some time back I went to Williamstown and it > appeared to me that 63 Douglas Pde is now shops, > so I cannot get a picture of what could have been > their place. > > According to the records I can find James > Robertson CAITHNESS was living at 61 Douglas Pde > in 1871 and his mother at 63 Douglas Pde. In 1874 > James moved into 63 Douglas Pde which was a four > roomed house owned by his uncle James ROBERTSON. > > I have tried on line (Picture Australia - Vic PRO > etc) and I am guessing that this is a very long > shot, but if anyone has pictures from their family > history of this area that they could share I would > really love it. > > Thank you > Pat > > > >

Hi, I am trying to piece together my, CAITHNESS family of Williamstown, history. I would really love to collect some pictures of the area. Some time back I went to Williamstown and it appeared to me that 63 Douglas Pde is now shops, so I cannot get a picture of what could have been their place. According to the records I can find James Robertson CAITHNESS was living at 61 Douglas Pde in 1871 and his mother at 63 Douglas Pde. In 1874 James moved into 63 Douglas Pde which was a four roomed house owned by his uncle James ROBERTSON. I have tried on line (Picture Australia - Vic PRO etc) and I am guessing that this is a very long shot, but if anyone has pictures from their family history of this area that they could share I would really love it. Thank you Pat

Have you tried the Williamstown Council. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Wade <[email protected]> To: Genanz <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:10:19 +0800 (WST) Subject: 61 & 63 Douglas Pde Williamstown Hi, I am trying to piece together my, CAITHNESS family of Williamstown, history. I would really love to collect some pictures of the area. Some time back I went to Williamstown and it appeared to me that 63 Douglas Pde is now shops, so I cannot get a picture of what could have been their place. According to the records I can find James Robertson CAITHNESS was living at 61 Douglas Pde in 1871 and his mother at 63 Douglas Pde. In 1874 James moved into 63 Douglas Pde which was a four roomed house owned by his uncle James ROBERTSON. I have tried on line (Picture Australia - Vic PRO etc) and I am guessing that this is a very long shot, but if anyone has pictures from their family history of this area that they could share I would really love it. Thank you Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you have the name of the person, then see if you can find death notice or obituaries or other newspaper entries about the person while living etc. >From those it may be clearer what those abbreviations might be, e.g. some might make more (or less) sense in terms of the person's occupation, religion, etc. Kerry

"krell" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]m... >I am researching my wife's tree. > I am looking to identify a John Strachan (who married Agnes Eliza > Barclay in Hobart, Tasmania in 1854). Can someone advise me of the > details of any deaths between 1869 and 1877 in Victoria of any John > Strachan. I have these dates from newspaper adverts of events in his > children's lives. > Any other leads are also welcome to help me identify his ancestry. > There are other Strachans in my wife's tree from around the same time > and place who married into the family line. Margaret Strachan who > married David Barclay in Tasmania had a brother James Ford Strachan > who was in Geelong at about the same time as John Strachan (Johns > marriage announcement states he was from Geelong). > Thanks for reading. > Paul Bech > gattaga @gmail.com I don't think these are much help Phil Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: Albt Jno Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Albert Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Charlotte YOUNG Age: 3M Sex: Birth Place: Death Place: SHURST Year: 1881 Reg Number: 11954 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: John Graham Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: John Smith Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Christiana GRAHAM Age: 7M Sex: Birth Place: BURR Death Place: Year: 1866 Reg Number: 673 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: John Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: John Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Grace MORRIS Age: 52 Sex: Birth Place: Death Place: SHURST Year: 1887 Reg Number: 15505 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: John Smith Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Robert Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane Henderson SMITH Age: 49 Sex: Birth Place: DUNDEE Death Place: Year: 1879 Reg Number: 1945 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: John Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: George Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jessie BRYMER Age: 7M Sex: Birth Place: BELF Death Place: Year: 1869 Reg Number: 496 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: Robert John Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: David Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Johanna WARD Age: 6M Sex: Birth Place: COLLINGWOOD Death Place: Year: 1879 Reg Number: 7434 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: John Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Margaret DUNN Age: 21 Sex: Birth Place: MELB Death Place: Year: 1875 Reg Number: 7397 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: Jno Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Wm Leighton Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Margt FINDLEY Age: 49 Sex: Birth Place: Death Place: MELB W Year: 1881 Reg Number: 11399 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: John Mitchell Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: U Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: UNKNOWN Age: 57 Sex: Birth Place: Death Place: KYETON Year: 1888 Reg Number: 14184 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: STRACHAN Given Names: John Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 48 Sex: Birth Place: Death Place: SHURST Year: 1884 Reg Number: 14037 Denomination: Parish: Fiche:

I am researching my wife's tree. I am looking to identify a John Strachan (who married Agnes Eliza Barclay in Hobart, Tasmania in 1854). Can someone advise me of the details of any deaths between 1869 and 1877 in Victoria of any John Strachan. I have these dates from newspaper adverts of events in his children's lives. Any other leads are also welcome to help me identify his ancestry. There are other Strachans in my wife's tree from around the same time and place who married into the family line. Margaret Strachan who married David Barclay in Tasmania had a brother James Ford Strachan who was in Geelong at about the same time as John Strachan (Johns marriage announcement states he was from Geelong). Thanks for reading. Paul Bech [email protected]

Hi, Looking for Ann and Robyn KLEIN daughters of JOHN HENRY KLEIN and Willma "Billie" Isobel nee PINK. Also grandchildren SHANE, SHELLEY, NATHAN, and HAYLEY. Kind Regards Jeanette A KLEIN rello

Hi Looking for John Henry Klein and Wilma Isobel nee Pink children Ann and Robyn and Mark and Paul and grandchildren Shane, Shelley, Nathan and Hayley. ONLY rellos REPLY PLEASE !! Kind regards Jeanette A KLEIN rello

Hi, ONLY Relatives need reply !! Looking for relatives of Joyce Matilda nee KLEIN also known as "Mickey" and Patrick William BULL who married in 1946 Glebe, NSW. It is not know where Patrick was born or who his parents were and when and where he died. Joyce's father was Jack Alexander KLEIN and mother Lorna Elizabeth HERBERT. Joyce's brother was John Henry KLEIN and sister Dorothy Jean KLEIN. Best Wishes for a happy and safe Christmas to all !

There is no simple answer because the comparative value of money is derived from the costs of goods and services, e.g. how many loaves of bread do you get for $X today versus in the past, or how much to rent a 2 bedroom cottage today versus in the past? However, the costs of all goods and services do not increase at the same rate. For example, wheat was in short supply in the early colony so bread was far more of a luxury item than it is today and would have cost comparatively more of a person's wages. Conversely, a cottage in the Rocks overlooking Sydney Harbour was probably cheaper in the past than it would be today. This is why it is such a complex business today to calculate the CPI (consumer price increase) which attempts to measure overall how much worse off we are each year due to rising prices. As Douglas Adams put it in Hitchhikers's Guide to the Galaxy: The History of every major Galactic Civilization tends to pass through three distinct and recognizable phases, those of Survival, Inquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as How, Why, and Where phases. For instance, the first phase is characterized by the question "How can we eat?" The second by the question "Why do we eat?" and the third by the question "Where shall we have lunch." It is fair to say our early Australian ancestors were in the survival phase, whereas in the 21st century we have certainly achieved sophistication! Kerry

A heartfelt thanks to all those who responded to my cry for help for working out the comparative value of the 1860s pound. John Cowie

Dear Bob, The history of the Presbyterian Church in Australia from what I can read shows much division based around loyalty and basic interpretation differences. The original structure appears not to be as centralised as the, say, Catholic or Anglican churches. With a lot of googling and back-tracking I managed to find some articles to help you. Note the name "Scots Kirk" rather than "Scots Church" brings up lots of web pages. Home page for Scots Kirk, Sydney http://www.scots-sydney.org.au/ McIntyre joined Lang's Synod in January 1838, taught at Lang's Australian College, and acted as Lang's locum tenens while Lang was overseas from January 1839 to March 1841 Here is a brief biography of Rev William McIntyre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McIntyre_(minister) Rev.William McIntyre mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Forbes_(minister) A brief explanation of the fragmentation of the Scots / Presbyterian congregation http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/st_stephens_presbyterian_church_macquari e_street or http://tinyurl.com/77g2tro See also on this page under "The Presbyterian church" http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/scots and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_of_Eastern_Australia Discussing the pro's and con's of Presbyterian church history is best done in private correspondence. It can be horribly misinterpreted on an OPEN FORUM can lead to much anguish, intensely heated arguments and at worst flaming, so I'm not prepared to go down that track. Don't forget, Google Archives EVERYTHING, and it hangs around FOREVER, except private e-mails I have tried above to stick to historical facts so personal sensitivities are not trespassed Cheers, Tony Moore (Castle Hill, NSW) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On 13 Dec 2011 at 14:50, BOB wrote: From: BOB <[email protected]> Subject: SCOTS CHURCH-CHURCH OF SCOTLAND Date sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:50:56 +1100 Organization: BigPond To: [email protected] > On the 13th March 1841 two Bounty immigants, John FORSYTH and Elizabeth > GILLIES, were married in the Scots Church situated on York between > Jamieson and Margaret streets, Sydney. The church register entry shows > the groom's signature certifying that he was a member of, and held > communion with, the Presbyterian Church of Scotland. The service was > conducted by the Reverend McINTYRE. A memorial plaque to this Rector can > still be seen in St Georges Scottish church near Market St. > It seems that the 2 churches belonging to the same denomination were > known by 3 different titles. Were they all different flavours of the > same religion and if not, which one is correct? Thoughts anyone? > From the Victorian High Country,Robert G

Hello all Those with interests in Devon UK, who have been unable to get copies of some documents, will be interested to know the record office has just started a new copying service. Copies too large to send by email have been transferred onto a CD. The person who does my printing assures me he can print off large hard copies for me (I like to have such copies as well as those on on my computer) from which I will be able to do transcriptions if I so choose. Regards, Kate (Sydney, Australia)

On the 13th March 1841 two Bounty immigants, John FORSYTH and Elizabeth GILLIES, were married in the Scots Church situated on York between Jamieson and Margaret streets, Sydney. The church register entry shows the groom's signature certifying that he was a member of, and held communion with, the Presbyterian Church of Scotland. The service was conducted by the Reverend McINTYRE. A memorial plaque to this Rector can still be seen in St Georges Scottish church near Market St. It seems that the 2 churches belonging to the same denomination were known by 3 different titles. Were they all different flavours of the same religion and if not, which one is correct? Thoughts anyone? From the Victorian High Country,Robert G

In that case, L.G.E. could be a cerificate as Local Government Engineer, but I am only guessing. Doug. Tony Moore wrote: > Dear Diane, > > I suspect that the first two refer to degrees or awards from what once was > "Sydney Technical College"..... google for more info. > It would appear that your man may have been some kind of engineer or > architect > > HSTC > ASTC is "associate Sydney Technical College > FSTC Fellow Sydney Technical College. > If the headstone was worn perhaps the H could be understood as A or F > > MIE(Aust) Member of the Institution of Engineers, Australia > J.P. Justice of the Peace > > Knowing the years when the person would have been between, say, 20 and > 40, when he most likely did his studies would help narrow the > possibilities. > > If he indeed was an engineer /architect/similar you might like to send an > e-mail to > http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/about-us/contact-us > > The long ago "Sydney Technical College" is now the University of > Technology, Sydney. I would suggest you use the "ask a librarian" service > and hope that someone can pass on the message to the correct department.: > http://www.lib.uts.edu.au/students/need-help > http://uts.altarama.com/reft100.aspx?key=Ref > > Cheers, > > Tony Moore > (Castle Hill, NSW) > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > > On 12 Dec 2011 at 22:30, Diane Wilson wrote: > > From: "Diane Wilson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Abbreviations on headstone > Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:30:42 +1300 > Send reply to: [email protected] > >> >> On a headstone at Forster General Cemetery are the following >> abbreviations >> >> Can someone please transcribe >> >> H.S.T.C M.I.E.A L.G.E H.D.J. D J.P >> >> The later I am familiar with but the others HELP >> >> Diane Wilson --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to [email protected] ---

John Cowie wrote: > Does anybody know of a website, or formula, which gives the comparative > values of pounds & dollars? > > I am trying to work out what the dollar value of the 1860s pound would > be today. > > John Cowie The one I found was http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ It converts UK pounds from a given year to present-day value. HTH, Doug. --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to [email protected] ---

On a headstone at Forster General Cemetery are the following abbreviations Can someone please transcribe H.S.T.C M.I.E.A L.G.E H.D.J. D J.P The later I am familiar with but the others HELP Diane Wilson