Graham wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:44:39 +1100, Robert G Eldridge wrote: > >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 03:20:16 +0000 (UTC), Graham >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>The old Great War Index (which is no longer available due to the 100 >>>year rule) lists the birth twice. >> >> Your use of the phrase "the 100 year rule" is I trust not meant to imply >> that there is a general rule in these matters. >> >> I am aware of administrative decisions made by some States and past >> moves to formulate an Australia wide policy but thank goodness it's far >> from an Australia wide universal decision. > > In Victoria a few years ago (about 2000 I think) our Government in it's > wisdom decided that birth records should not be released to the public > until 100 years after the event. Before that it was 80 years. The Great > War Index that had been published a few years earlier contained some of > these records so it was removed from sale. Copies that are "out there" > were not recalled however. > Why "thank goodness?" Because diversity is a good thing? Perhaps the States should allow cars to be driven on whichever side of the road they think best. An Australia-wide standard is better than 8 different ones. Apart from its individual Registrars' abbreviations, its abbreviated forenames and its DOS-age GUI for searching, Victoria takes care not to say prominently anywhere, what its cutoff dates are. You are expected to look up its leaflet. Time has stood still in this State. Doug, Indexing for the Ryerson, now over 3.3 million entries from 199 newspapers. Is your paper one of them? --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to [email protected] ---

You have asked about this previously in other forums. While you apparently don't live in Melbourne, you have been advised to look out for the Sands and Mac directories from the time, as they list house numbers with reference to street intersections. Maybe time to stop asking and get to a place where you can answer your own question. Paul

Names: Hovenden, James. Transcribed from the 21 April 1846 edition of The Armagh Guardian newspaper: Melancholy Death.--The remains of Major Hovenden, who appears, after for years fighting his country's battles, to have reached New South Wales, to find not an asylum where he might end his days in peace and plenty, but to perish by the most horrible of deaths--absolute starvation--have been found in the Bungarabbee Brush, on the western road. The bones were disjointed and scattered, and not a single particle of flesh remaining. His remains were found by a party who was been [sic] hunting in Bungarabbee Brush. On pursuing the search a variety of articles and a leather valise were found there, two cloth body coats, a cloth cloak, a blue cloth cap with a peak, a boot, two tooth brushes, and shaving and nail brushes, the remnants of a black silk stock, a handkerchief, and also a quantity of bones. When the peak of the cap was first found it was covered with dirt, but on cleaning it there was written, apparently with a penknife, "Frederick Hovenden died of hunger." The second boot could nowhere be found, nor could any razor. The Major had been missing about eighteen months, about which time he left Sydney, and when he neither said where he was going nor did he leave word with his agent, Mr. Nicholas James, where he could be found, and although he had been advertised, no trace could be obtained of him. The Major had been about three or four years in the colony; and when he left Sydney he had been heard to remark, that he would rather go into the bush as a shepherd than be dependant on his friends. He had recently brought a considerable sum of money with him to the colony, but had lost it.--Paramatta Chronicle, Feb. 1. ===============================

I am trying to locate the present day locations of two addresses. 1896 - 291 Johnstone St, Abbotsford 1910 - 93 Toorak Rd, Sth Yarra. Has the street numbering changed since then ? The toorak rd address was a bakery for George Haas and Co. I know its a long shot, but where would i locate a photo of a breadcart from that business? regards Damien Haas

>From The Hobarton Mercury, 5 February 1855 - POLICE REPORT. (Before the Police Magistrate.) Friday, 2nd. Feb., 1855. Robbing a drunken man. William A'Herne, t.l., and William Welder, free, were charged with robbing Arthur Millington of Sandy Bay, of some money and a pen-knife last night. Constable John Smith, stationed at the New Wharf, stated that from information which he had received he went to the reservoir, in Montpelier Road, about 7 o'clock in the evening, where he saw a man lying on the ground; the prisoner A'Herne was taking something out of his pockets which he handed to Welder : witness saw a knife and some copper money given to Welder. The man Millington was very drunk and very stupid. The prisoners told witness that they thought the man was dead. The prosecutor was not in attendance, and Constable Morley told Mr. Wilmot that he had called him out of the Waterloo Tap more than once: he supposed he had got drunk again. A constable named Currier accompanied Smith to the reservoir, and corroborated his testimony : after the prisoners were taken into custody, witness apprehended Millington, and was taking him to the station house when he was rescued from his custody. The prisoners who were severally defended by Messrs. Brewer and Knight, were remanded till to-morrow for the attendance of the prosecutor. Welder, it appeared, had been for some time in the service of Mr. Fraser, the Colonial Treasurer, but had left it the day before. ------------------------------------------------ Historic Australian Newspapers, 1803 to 1954 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper Aherns in Australian Records http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ahcrim.htm ------------------------------------------------

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone researching William KELLY who died 6th of December, 1932 in Brisbane and whose parents are recorded as James KELLY and Bridget (nee CAREY) Greg

"gail" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]m... > Does anyone know if there exists a portrait of the convict > James > Squire from the Charlotte? > > I'm also looking for portraits of the following convicts: John > Small > (Charlotte), and Mary Parker (Lady Penrhyn), John Benson > (Mary), Henry > Batterson (Barossa), and Elizabeth Mason. Hi Gail Suggest you re post on [email protected] Usually the transport a convict came on was part of their identity and recorded as, for example as John SMALL per Charlotte , Mary PARKER per Lady Penryn etc. If you do repost on the PJ convicts list be an idea to state which convict transport named 'Mary' brought John BENSON here as were about 5 transports named ' Mary' and at least one came here 4 times Bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast

Hi Lesley, I googled Claus Heinrich Sebelin and the first hit was: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gilchrist/5thElizabeth.htm Maybe you get in touch with the researcher - they may have some information to share. Cheers, Di "Lesley Abrahams" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Dear Genealogists, > > I am looking for some information about SEBELIN. > > Claus Heinrich Sebelin went from Germany to New Zealand sometime between > 1875 and 1880, perhaps before that. > > Does anyone know which ship he travelled on please, and can you confirm > the > dates? > > Best wishes, > > Lesley Abrahams > > Dubbo, NSW Australia > > For Frank Allatt > > > > > > > > >

Hi Brian, You might get some info from this website: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast They have shipping information. Cheers, Di "brian skehan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] Dear List, I have been researching my gggrandfather John McLean for some years and still can't find him coming into Australia.He was born in Glasgow in abt 1843 ,married in Yarram in Victoria in 1871 to Mary Ann Hall and they had 12 children.5 of these went to New Zealand when they were older which I have often wondered why.Could John McLean have sailed from Glasgow or perhaps England somewhere to NZ before coming to Australia.Was his account of NZ enough to wet his families appetite.I have found 5 possible connections and I wonder if anybody on the list has any of these shipping records that they could look up for me please. 1...John McLean born abt 1844,aged 22 in 1866,arrived Melbourne Vic on OTAGO from Otago in New Zealand.Haven't got an exact date. 2..John McLean,born abt 1844 ,arrived Hobson Bay 22 June 1869 on the GRESHAM from Liverpool. 3.. John McLean ,(don't know age of this one ) arrived 22nd February 1863 in Melbourne from Otago on the CITY OF HOBART. 4.. Mr McLean (again don't know age) arrived 1st September 1868 in Melbourne from Wellington on the OTAGO. 5..McLean born abt 1842,arrivrd 16th January 1867 in Melbourne from Liverpool on the KINGSTON. TIA.. Elaine Skehan, Longford Vic. ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.888, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.19150) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Dear List, I have been researching my gggrandfather John McLean for some years and still can't find him coming into Australia.He was born in Glasgow in abt 1843 ,married in Yarram in Victoria in 1871 to Mary Ann Hall and they had 12 children.5 of these went to New Zealand when they were older which I have often wondered why.Could John McLean have sailed from Glasgow or perhaps England somewhere to NZ before coming to Australia.Was his account of NZ enough to wet his families appetite.I have found 5 possible connections and I wonder if anybody on the list has any of these shipping records that they could look up for me please. 1...John McLean born abt 1844,aged 22 in 1866,arrived Melbourne Vic on OTAGO from Otago in New Zealand.Haven't got an exact date. 2..John McLean,born abt 1844 ,arrived Hobson Bay 22 June 1869 on the GRESHAM from Liverpool. 3.. John McLean ,(don't know age of this one ) arrived 22nd February 1863 in Melbourne from Otago on the CITY OF HOBART. 4.. Mr McLean (again don't know age) arrived 1st September 1868 in Melbourne from Wellington on the OTAGO. 5..McLean born abt 1842,arrivrd 16th January 1867 in Melbourne from Liverpool on the KINGSTON. TIA.. Elaine Skehan, Longford Vic. ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.888, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.19150) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Dear Genealogists, I am looking for some information about SEBELIN. Claus Heinrich Sebelin went from Germany to New Zealand sometime between 1875 and 1880, perhaps before that. Does anyone know which ship he travelled on please, and can you confirm the dates? Best wishes, Lesley Abrahams Dubbo, NSW Australia For Frank Allatt

Does anyone know if there exists a portrait of the convict James Squire from the Charlotte? I'm also looking for portraits of the following convicts: John Small (Charlotte), and Mary Parker (Lady Penrhyn), John Benson (Mary), Henry Batterson (Barossa), and Elizabeth Mason. Thanks Gail

I would be interested in making contact with anyone researching the above name in Victoria, in particular John KAVANAGH, birth and death dates unknown, married 1909 in Horsham, Victoria to Georgina Helen or Ellen Georgina TAYLOR b.1881 Eden, Vic. d.1933 Heidelberg, Vic. As far as I know they had four children, Margaret Ellen b. 1909, Alice Katherine b. 1911, Harold Ronald James, b.1913, d. 1972 and Mavis Jean b. 1917. I am not related just trying to help a friend. Colin.

Monday 31ST December 2012 is the sesquicentennial (150yrs) anniversary date of the arrival of Convict 6762 Charles Wright in Fremantle. As you can see from the above on New Years' Eve (31/12/2012) it will be 150 years since Charles Wright arrived in Fremantle prior to his transfer to the Picton Convict Depot for duties in the Bunbury/Australind area. My Brother and I are organising a celebration at Australind on New Years Eve this year and would like to invite any descendnts of Charles and Elizabeth (nee Jones) Wright to attend. IF you are interested please contact Greg - email : [email protected] Ph : 0898 422340 or Malcolm - email : [email protected] Ph : 0893 052562 Best Regards Mal Wright Great Grandson.

I am looking for information on my Great Uncle William Wright (known as Billy). In my research I came across some sketchy information that my Great Grand parents, Charles Frederick Wright and Elizabeth Wright (Nee Jones) of Australind WA, adopted a son William. I haven't been able to find any information on him other that I believe he married Elsie Lewin c 1937-38. If anybody has any information I would greatly appreciate it if you would share it with me. Mal Wright

Many Thanks for all the help I received. Wonderful help. I will know next time to do a courier mail search on google, thanks. Lorraine Stitt

On 26/01/2012 11:44 AM, L Stitt wrote: > death notice of Daphne STITT Here is the Obituary: http://tributes.couriermail.com.au/obituaries/couriermail-au/obituary.aspx?n=daphne-stitt&pid=155607010 Graham

Help please, I think it was in Mondays courier mail, certainly one day this week, there was a death notice of Daphne STITT is anyone able to look it up for me??? There was an email address for contact sympathy contact, Funeral was on Fri 27 Jan. My neighbour cut it out for me, printing was very small I went to get a magnifying glass and lol and behold returned to find it missing. Please help Lorraine Stitt

I wish every Australian anywhere in the world a very happy Australia Day. -- Di Maloney Vic. Australia

There's an interesting brochure about Hillston at http://visithillston.com/images/Hillston_Heritage_brochure.pdf. In the text, it says "Towards the end of Charles Street was the site of the first Hillston Cemetery." I asked the local shire what they know about the cemetery, but they have nothing to help locate where it was. Maybe someone here has some info? I'd be most grateful. Paul www.auscem.com