Might be an idea for the OP to have a look at the Ryerson Index, there are a number of the DAMM family in there. http://ryersonindex.net/search.php Colin. --------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanya Reid" <[email protected]> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.australia+nz To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: Hann Christian Damm > Hi Listers > I am posting a query for a friend, Delphine > The family that is being searched is > Han Christian Damm and his wifr Catharina emigrated from Denmark and > had a daughter Maria Christina just after arriving in Australia. > The family settled around the Townsville area in Qld. > Another query is for any information on a William Edward Vivien > Woodford in Qld born in 1903. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Regards > Carolyn > This was posted some time ago, if Carolyn would like to contact me on > my email I have a birth certificate for one of their daughters born in > Charters Towers in 1882. > Regards > Tanya > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 00:15:42 +1100, Doug Laidlaw <[email protected]> wrote: >It occurred to me afterwards: if she wanted to remarry, having a piece of >paper getting rid of her existing marriage is easier than asking the >celebrant to draw a conclusion of law. > I wonder if they had an agreement that he'd pay for the divorce as long as she never mentioned officially that he'd married her bigamously? As long a she didn't file a complaint, he could avoid legal consequences? -Ron

She married in 1899. Please what do you mean by "draw a conclusion of law"? Philomena "Doug Laidlaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > It occurred to me afterwards: if she wanted to remarry, having a piece of > paper getting rid of her existing marriage is easier than asking the > celebrant to draw a conclusion of law. > > Doug. > > Phil Doherty wrote: > >> Thank you Doug for that clear answer. >> Philomena >> >> >> "Doug Laidlaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected] >>> Phil Doherty wrote: >>> >>>> Could someone please help with a question re Divorce ? >>>> >>>> Would a lady need to apply for a divorce if her husband had committed >>>> bigamy?. >>>> Family history says it was a bigamous marriage.If it was were they >>>> married >>>> in the eyes of the law >>>> >>>> Yesterday looking on Trove I notice she petitioned on the grounds of >>>> desertion and >>>> adultery . And was granted a decree nisi with cost. >>>> >>>> Thank you in anticipation of a reply >>>> Philomena >>> >>> A bigamous marriage is a nullity. The lady would not need to apply for >>> a >>> divorce, but she would have been wise to get a decree of nullity before >>> remarrying, just in case husband's first marriage was invalid. Then the >>> impediment to the second marriage disappears, and she is hitched after >>> all. >>> >>> If she applied for nullity and divorce at the same time, they deal with >>> the >>> nullity first. If there is no valid marriage, it doesn't need to be >>> dissolved. But if she applied for divorce only, the validity of the >>> marriage would have been assumed. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> Doug. >

It occurred to me afterwards: if she wanted to remarry, having a piece of paper getting rid of her existing marriage is easier than asking the celebrant to draw a conclusion of law. Doug. Phil Doherty wrote: > Thank you Doug for that clear answer. > Philomena > > > "Doug Laidlaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] >> Phil Doherty wrote: >> >>> Could someone please help with a question re Divorce ? >>> >>> Would a lady need to apply for a divorce if her husband had committed >>> bigamy?. >>> Family history says it was a bigamous marriage.If it was were they >>> married >>> in the eyes of the law >>> >>> Yesterday looking on Trove I notice she petitioned on the grounds of >>> desertion and >>> adultery . And was granted a decree nisi with cost. >>> >>> Thank you in anticipation of a reply >>> Philomena >> >> A bigamous marriage is a nullity. The lady would not need to apply for a >> divorce, but she would have been wise to get a decree of nullity before >> remarrying, just in case husband's first marriage was invalid. Then the >> impediment to the second marriage disappears, and she is hitched after >> all. >> >> If she applied for nullity and divorce at the same time, they deal with >> the >> nullity first. If there is no valid marriage, it doesn't need to be >> dissolved. But if she applied for divorce only, the validity of the >> marriage would have been assumed. >> >> HTH, >> >> Doug.

Hi Listers I am posting a query for a friend, Delphine The family that is being searched is Han Christian Damm and his wifr Catharina emigrated from Denmark and had a daughter Maria Christina just after arriving in Australia. The family settled around the Townsville area in Qld. Another query is for any information on a William Edward Vivien Woodford in Qld born in 1903. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Carolyn This was posted some time ago, if Carolyn would like to contact me on my email I have a birth certificate for one of their daughters born in Charters Towers in 1882. Regards Tanya

Thank you Doug for that clear answer. Philomena "Doug Laidlaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Phil Doherty wrote: > >> Could someone please help with a question re Divorce ? >> >> Would a lady need to apply for a divorce if her husband had committed >> bigamy?. >> Family history says it was a bigamous marriage.If it was were they >> married >> in the eyes of the law >> >> Yesterday looking on Trove I notice she petitioned on the grounds of >> desertion and >> adultery . And was granted a decree nisi with cost. >> >> Thank you in anticipation of a reply >> Philomena > > A bigamous marriage is a nullity. The lady would not need to apply for a > divorce, but she would have been wise to get a decree of nullity before > remarrying, just in case husband's first marriage was invalid. Then the > impediment to the second marriage disappears, and she is hitched after > all. > > If she applied for nullity and divorce at the same time, they deal with > the > nullity first. If there is no valid marriage, it doesn't need to be > dissolved. But if she applied for divorce only, the validity of the > marriage would have been assumed. > > HTH, > > Doug.

Phil Doherty wrote: > Could someone please help with a question re Divorce ? > > Would a lady need to apply for a divorce if her husband had committed > bigamy?. > Family history says it was a bigamous marriage.If it was were they married > in the eyes of the law > > Yesterday looking on Trove I notice she petitioned on the grounds of > desertion and > adultery . And was granted a decree nisi with cost. > > Thank you in anticipation of a reply > Philomena A bigamous marriage is a nullity. The lady would not need to apply for a divorce, but she would have been wise to get a decree of nullity before remarrying, just in case husband's first marriage was invalid. Then the impediment to the second marriage disappears, and she is hitched after all. If she applied for nullity and divorce at the same time, they deal with the nullity first. If there is no valid marriage, it doesn't need to be dissolved. But if she applied for divorce only, the validity of the marriage would have been assumed. HTH, Doug.

>From The Argus 9, June 1942 - AFTER the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof application will be made to the Supreme Court of Victoria, in its Probate Jurisdiction, that PROBATE of the LAST WILL (dated the 28th day of July, 1930) and Codicil (dated the 21st day of November, 1939) of JAMES AHERN, late of 140 Alexandra street, St. Kilda, in the State of Victoria, Gentleman, deceased, may be granted to Michael Francis Ahearn, of 35 William street, North Brighton, in the said State, sheet metal worker, and John Matheson, of 34 Durrant street, North Brighton aforesaid, cabinet maker, the executors named in and appointed by the said will. Dated the 9th day of June, 1942. GREEN. DOBSON, & MIDDLETON, of 60 Market street, Melbourne, proctors for the applicants. ------------------------------------------------ Historic Australian Newspapers, 1803 to 1954 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper Aherns in Australian Records http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ahcrim.htm ------------------------------------------------

Could someone please help with a question re Divorce ? Would a lady need to apply for a divorce if her husband had committed bigamy?. Family history says it was a bigamous marriage.If it was were they married in the eyes of the law Yesterday looking on Trove I notice she petitioned on the grounds of desertion and adultery . And was granted a decree nisi with cost. Thank you in anticipation of a reply Philomena

Tony wrote: > Doug Laidlaw <[email protected]> wrote on Sat, 10 Mar 2012 at > 01:55:10: >>Debbie's email address no longer works. Is she still active? > > Doug, > > A Web search on her name and MING shows up a 2005 message to SUFFOLK-L > in which she has a different email address. Have you tried that? You > might also get a lead on her snail-mail address from that message. Thanks Tony. Doug.

I posted about this man in Feb 2011 and was given Tasmanian marriage details. I missed Rex's reply with inquest details. Sorry Rex. In 2000, Debbie Godbold posted to the Rootsweb AUS-VIC list: "Hi everyone, Anyone interested in MING, originating from Buckinghamshire in England? One went to Portland and married James BAILEY in 1850, then went to the goldfields. Some settled in Melbourne, after first tasting life in Tasmania. One from Tasmania, John MING, arrived in Melbourne in 1852 and was killed the day he arrived. There are apparently a couple of records relating to his death in in Elsie Graham's book, "Births, Deaths and Marriages from the Argus Newspaper, Melbourne, Vol. III, M-P, 1846 - 1853" (1984, Melbourne) and I think it is in the same book the following inquest entry "Argus, 26 Feb 1852". I haven't seen the book, so don't know the format. This is just the reference I was given." The entry in the "Argus" is on Trove, and is identical to the listing in the Index. I am finding him just as much of a "brick wall" as Debbie did. The one who married James Bailey was Martha, related to the original couple in Buckinghamshire, Richard Ming and Ann Giltrow. They have a son John born at about the right time, but another John came along 9 years later. Debbie's email address no longer works. Is she still active? The English origin would explain why John never had a Chinese name. I now have two contacts wanting to know about him. Does anybody have any "lateral thinking" ideas? I have posted to the surname list on Genealogy.com.

Doug Laidlaw <[email protected]> wrote on Sat, 10 Mar 2012 at 01:55:10: >Debbie's email address no longer works. Is she still active? Doug, A Web search on her name and MING shows up a 2005 message to SUFFOLK-L in which she has a different email address. Have you tried that? You might also get a lead on her snail-mail address from that message. -- Tony

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Hi to all on the list I have finely gotten back to thank Stan Ruth Karen Colin and Alan and everyone who helped with my request on the Pont family you all have been very helpfull Thank you Jean on behalf of Marj

On Feb 27, 9:43 pm, zanthia1967 <[email protected]> wrote: > can anyone help with a death  Albert James BARNES and his wife  Maria > (nee WITTY) both born England, married England, one child birth place > unknown , three other known children all born Queensland. Many thanks to those who have helped solve this mystery, it appears Mr Barnes and family returned to England where they were found in the 1911 census (with even more children).

Thanks Monty and the others, I have used it already. Di "Monty" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:42:59 +1100, "Di Maloney" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>Elaine, >>I have seen photos/images of convicts - try here and I'm sorry about long >>address, I don't know how to make a 'tiny url': > > Hello Di, > > Go to tinyurl.com and follow the instructions. It is very simple with > Firefox. >

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:42:59 +1100, "Di Maloney" <[email protected]> wrote: >Elaine, >I have seen photos/images of convicts - try here and I'm sorry about long >address, I don't know how to make a 'tiny url': Hello Di, Go to tinyurl.com and follow the instructions. It is very simple with Firefox.

Ditto. Di "Doug Laidlaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Neville wrote: > >> http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html >> >> Birth Registration Certificates Index 1842 - 1928 >> Death Registration Certificates Index 1842 - 1972 >> Marriage Registration Certificates Index 1842 - 1937 > > Thank Heaven. The newspaper notices will be a help as well.

Neville wrote: > http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html > > Birth Registration Certificates Index 1842 - 1928 > Death Registration Certificates Index 1842 - 1972 > Marriage Registration Certificates Index 1842 - 1937 Thank Heaven. The newspaper notices will be a help as well.