Wow-- You have to be a citizen to get a SS card today. I have a friend who paid into SS but can't collect. He is not a US citizen. Right or wrong group? Lady Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <odyssey@heirmail.to> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Birth Certificates > Hmmm...well, lots of people didn't have to get delayed birth > certificates. My husband was in the Navy during the Korean war, > and wasn't required to have a birth certificate in order to enlist or to > serve. He receives Veterans benefits (and his Social Security > benefits), all without having a real or delayed birth certificate. He > also didn't need a birth certificate to receive the military honors > bestowed on him for his service. > > I have found many of my ancestors also never had a birth > certificate. My grandmother didn't have one, none of her siblings > had one, and apparently my mother and one of her siblings also > didn't have birth certificates or delayed birth certificates. They all > (except my grandmother and her siblings) had Social Security > cards, and collected Social Security benefits...yet there are no > records of their births. Go figure. Lots of people fell through the > cracks, unfortunately. > > Our local Social Security office told us that we didn't have to have a > birth certificate to get a Social Security card even today. They don't > care if you are a citizen or not, so it doesn't matter where you were > born, and you don't have to be any specific age to apply. People get > Social Security cards, Drivers Licenses, and other forms of ID all > the time, all without the benefit of birth certificates. > > In fact, I didn't have to show my birth certificate in order to get my > Social Security card...I just sent away for it. I didn't have to show > birth certificates to get any of my kids their Social Security cards > either. Come to think of it, the ONLY time I remember having to > produce my birth certificate for anything was for my Driver's license > learners permit...in order to prove I was 15 1/2 at the time (and > being that young, a birth certificate was the only form of ID that I > had). Since then, I have never needed to show my birth certificate > for any reason. If I did, I would be in trouble! Mine is all crumpled > and has big chunks missing from it, it is so old! > > You don't have to show a birth certificate to get married or divorced > or to have children. > > You would probably have to produce a birth certificate in order to > get a passport, although I have never had to get one, so don't know > that first hand...but I would think one would have to prove citizenship > for a passport. > > Don't know about now, but I didn't have to have a birth certificate in > order to attend school, and I didn't have to show my children's birth > certificates in order for them to attend school (California, Oregon, > and Washington). Times change, and maybe you have to now, but > you didn't when I was in school, or when my kids were in school > (the 80's). > > Four of my grandchildren were all born at home, and while I am > sure their births were recorded, their parents don't have any of their > birth certificates. Two of them are in school in California. > > You don't have to have a birth certificate in order to function in this > society, but it sure makes life easier for those future descendants > who decide to go looking for you! :) > > Anne > > > > You might check the County Clerk's 1940 Birth Index. Many people born as > > early as 1889 had to get a delayed birth record registered in 1940 in order > > to obtain a SS Card. Also, many men who went into service during WW II had > > to obtain a delayed birth certificate. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Raymond Heyer <BuckyHeyer@webtv.net> > > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:01 PM > > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > I have my father's SSapplication, but have been unable to find a birth > > certificate. Am I understanding you correctly, that he had to have a > > birth certificate when he applied for his SS#? > > > > Thank you , > > Susan > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by > > storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 > > 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) > > Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by > > mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) > > with ESMTP id RAA10595; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) > > Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id > > e5P0WP309524; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > > Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > > X-Original-Sender: diamond6468@mindspring.com Sat Jun 24 17:32:25 2000 > > From: diamond6468@mindspring.com > > Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624193638.00825e20@pop.mindspring.com> > > X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:36:38 -0400 > > Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > In-Reply-To: <01BFDDF5.06085A80@cx978976-c.chnd1.az.home.com> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Resent-Message-ID: <YXT5AD.A.nUC.ZMVV5@lists6.rootsweb.com> > > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2030 > > X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" or > > something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original > > application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his age, > > lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and > > you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his > > death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his birth > > cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an > > amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to send > > for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can > > give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death > > cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and > > probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the zip > > code of the residence. > > delilah > > > > > > > > > > At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi, > > >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go > > about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does > > anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? > > >Lee REESE > > >SSN 275-20-9296 > > >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA > > >Born 4 Feb 1894 > > >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > > > > > >Thanks for your help, > > >Julie > > > > > >-- > > >Julie Reese Bookser > > >jrbookse@home.com > > >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > > > > > > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > >============================== > > >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161-- > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >