My Thanks to all of you for your replies & input. I was amazed at the number & suggestions. As for the newspaper archives & Bakersfield, CA they will be checked out ASAP. Here is more of the puzzle or mystery or whatever. Yes, I do know for a fact that the children were put into an orphanage & the location of it, but they will not cooperate. {We tried for over 2 years to get them to cooperate enough to even get an appointment to talk with them}. They told me that when I got my youngest Aunt's Death Certificate, I could then get her Birth Certificate: I would know then what Both my Grandparents names were. Then I could go ahead & get Both of my Grandparents Death Certificates: Because THEN I would KNOW what my Grandparents names were. They knew when they told me that little tidbit of information that it was a BIG bunch of ????. Now that statement alone was a "?*?*?*?" Because you cannot get a Birth nor Death Certificate from anywhere IF you do not have a name to go with it. About the Death Certificates: My youngest Aunt & oldest Uncle had in the space for information of Fathers and Mothers names & each parents place of birth: UNKNOWN-UNKNOWN. Also I had been told all my life that Both Grandparents died in the Influenza Epidemic of 1918. The Math on that just does NOT quite work out: as my grandmother had given birth to my youngest Aunt in 1923! More about the Orphanage: Upon the children's arrival, they proceeded to change the spelling of the children's Given names & so forth. I guess the orphanage didn't particularly care for the spelling of those poor little orphans given names. HEY: WERE THEY ORPHANS? I wonder about that & have questioned it, only to be told that I just HAVE to be wrong in that assumption. I think maybe NOT, because people who are deceased are most generally buried Somewhere, with some kind of information about it someplace. Either written or verbal. I do know one thing, neither one of the grandparents are on record as being buried in any of the places that I have been told they were in. {by several different people & the newspaper article} BUT: IF they were NOT orphaned, then why won't the people who KNOW at least some of the actual FACTS stop the lying & the giving out of false & deliberately misleading information? Even the orphans-MY Family will not cooperate with any FACTS &TRUTHS. WHY ALL THE LIES? IF Grandparents are Deceased OR NOT: What difference could it possibly make to ANYONE about what really happened all those years ago? I do have someone arriving this week, who is doing more research along the way, hoping to find "A REAL NAME" We are doing actual legwork on this, along with using every avenue available-Internet, Ads, Inquires, Postings, Listings, Newspapers, Home Pages, Libraries, Court Houses, FHC, FTM, telephone, snail mail, phone books, {Cemeteries by phone & actually walking thru them.}--{Did I leave anything out?} to search out any & all leads. We will be doing more legwork this week. I will keep you posted, if you want. I most probably should never have written to the list in the first place. BUT, as I had already started something (with my reply to Jo-Anns message), I've written this & I'm sending it. I was only trying to answer some of the questions I had been asked on this list in regard to that message I sent Jo-Ann. MAYBE I will have a name to send soon. It is a MESS. I DO apologize for the length of this. Now you can see why I chose my screen name as I did.