Good morning, all! James H. McCoy wasn't born until 1868, after the Civil War was over. He appeared in the 1870 Census as a two-year-old, in Washington, D.C. I wasn't aware of any epidemics that happened in Washington, D.C. between 1868 and 1880. The Mortality Schedule, which is a list of people who died between Censuses, just didn't list him for some reason even though it listed other people of all ages. Strange! BTW, to update the group, I just recently got another death certificate of another blood-relative on the Waterholter side who also died in Saint Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, D.C. and there may be more. Pat McCoy ========================================== Barbara wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------BAF2DD249A3B5EE883D76797 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi - I'm forwarding this for the following person. I think > it's self-explaining *smile* > Barbara > > --------------BAF2DD249A3B5EE883D76797 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by telepath.com (8.9.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07336 for <sayona@telepath.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:34:20 -0500 (CDT) > From: diamond6468@mindspring.com > Received: from default (user-38h1s0p.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.240.25]) > by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03738 > for <sayona@telepath.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:33:57 -0400 (EDT) > Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980729073751.006bf4b0@pop.mindspring.com> > X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:37:51 -0400 > To: Barbara <sayona@telepath.com> > Subject: Re: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L] 12 yr old James > In-Reply-To: <35BE7E2F.944971C9@telepath.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Barbara, The SSA was not implemented until 1936 so unless he was working he > would not of had a SS# until he was in his 50's - there was an epidemic of > typhoid at that time - it kind of started up north (I'm in Alabama) and > worked its way down, also there was a big epidemic of diptheria that killed > a lot of people up north - I don't know how to get this to the list so if > you want to you can send it - also I would like to know what she means by > Mortality Schedule, if you find out will you e-mail it to me - also the > Civil War was in the works also, he may of signed on as a young man, there > were a lot of young men that did that and he could of gotten killed and > nobody knew as he would of lied about his age in order to go fight. If > there are Civil War records anywhere around where she is, she might check > those, if he went to war, its possible he didn't change his name but just > his age. Let me hear. > ``Alabama DE`` > > At 08:43 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote: > >James has disappeared. He does > >> not show up on the Mortality Schedule and there is no > >death > >> certificate on him that I can locate between the years of > >1870 > >> and 1880. I'm puzzled as to what could have happened to > >him > >> at the age of 12. How could he vanish without a trace? > > > >He may have just died and it wasn't recorded. Did he live > >in the country or city? Perhaps there was an epidemic at > >that time? If so, he could have been buried without all > >the legalities. Perhaps he was buried in a private family > >cemetery. Then again, he could have been sent away to > >other relatives. Did you try the social security list to > >see if he was on it? > > > >Barbara Rivas > >sayona@telepath.com > > > > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > >To contact the owner use, dwburgess@worldnet.att.net > > > > > > --------------BAF2DD249A3B5EE883D76797-- > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb! Visit http://www.rootsweb.com ! > To contact the owner use, dwburgess@worldnet.att.net

I have a genealogy mystery that has passed around my family for many years. Sarah Hannah Bess b 1854 Montgomery Co Mo. married a man named John T Todd of him we know nothing other then this legend.. John worked for a printer in a town either Galena Ks or Salina Ks . in about 1887.In the middle of the night Hannah woke up to find the house on fire she got her 2 children out and apparently not John. She and her children walked back to MO a distance of around 300-400 miles. Her son Leonard was about 5 years and baby Annie was about 3 they arrived back to her folks home in Montgomery Co. where baby Annie died of Summer Complaint...What happened to John did he set the house on fire to get rid of Hannah did she do it to get rid of Him? What Happened to John T. Todd and what town was this in? I so far have come up empty handed these two were my GGGrandparents...She didn't elaborate on the incident ...If anyone has an idea please give me a Hint....Marie

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I am attempting to obtain information surrounding the murder of James Archer Wilkes. He was found murdered at Bear Lake in Holmes Co., MS on 02 May 1873. James A. Wilkes owned a saw mill in Holmes Co., and was supposedly murdered by a wage hand or a drifter. His body was found in a row boat on the lake by his wife, Lucinda Wallace Wilkes, the day of the murder. I have been unable to track down any newspaper accounts of this murder, although some apparently exist.I do not know anything about an investigation or official ruling in the matter either. If anyone has any accounts of this crime, or any suggestions on how I could get information, I would appreciate it. Annette Stacy alstacy@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

In a message dated 98-08-08 13:01:03 EDT, KirkOL1@aol.com writes: << Question is that his first marriage in France was to a first cousin. We have always been curious as to why it was the second marriage which was annulled and not the first unless there was a time under ecclesiastical and civil law when marriages to first cousins was not illegal. >> I don't about France, but I am sure it went on there also.. In England it was done and I believe to a certain extent today to keep the royal line pure.. That is why a lot of the monarchy were in such poor health.... Shirl

you know I wondered too about this when I read of ~ not in my line ~ but curious all the same <smile> alice <agape>(+)<agape>(+)<agape(+)<agape> A-mae-znCajun@webtv.net Alice nee CHAUVIN>FR>CA>NS>LA>US http://www.expage.com/page/bayouhome http://www.expage.com/page/chauvin http://www.expage.com/page/maeonmars http://www.expage.com/page/acadiann http://www.chignecto.net/nsnews

This may have happenned with more than one early French Canadian pioneer, but our ancestor left wife and kids at home in France and came to Quebec and for whatever reason took a second wife and they had children (lucky, or we might not be here.) However, the first marriage was discovered and the second marriage was ordered annulled and he was ordered deported to back to France on account of his bigamy. He arranged for the second wife to take a new husband and for this new husband to adopt the children he had sired by her. Question is that his first marriage in France was to a first cousin. We have always been curious as to why it was the second marriage which was annulled and not the first unless there was a time under ecclesiastical and civil law when marriages to first cousins was not illegal. Does anyone know when the ban against first cousin marriages first came into being - in France, in Canada, in the Catholic Church, or anywhere? Any information would be appreciated and we will share what little information we have. Thank you for your courtesy and cooperation in this regard. Sincerely, Robert Campbell, Chauvin-Archambault descendant. KirkOL1@aol.com

Yup, that would be him. Hi Jeff! Hope all is well on the homefront. Dee Dee IBSSG >Was it you I read about in my local paper??? Forgive me if I am wrong, but >today at break time while I was at work, I read a story about a man who runs a >webpage for people researching genealogy. To join this group, you have to >have a blacksheep in your family history. I just read your post, and saw the >name Scism. I am almost positive that was the mans name running the group. I >thought this group was run locally, but I had to end my break and didnt finish >the story. I looked up your profile, and saw it had mention of black sheep in >it, and that you were from California. Are you the same man??? Do we have a >famous person in our midst?? ;-) > >I am from PA, and if I happened to read a story in my local paper about a >California man, who happens to be on the same newsgroup I am......well, I am >just amazed how small a world this actually is!!!! > >Lisa Burger > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== >To contact the owner use, dwburgess@worldnet.att.net >

Was it you I read about in my local paper??? Forgive me if I am wrong, but today at break time while I was at work, I read a story about a man who runs a webpage for people researching genealogy. To join this group, you have to have a blacksheep in your family history. I just read your post, and saw the name Scism. I am almost positive that was the mans name running the group. I thought this group was run locally, but I had to end my break and didnt finish the story. I looked up your profile, and saw it had mention of black sheep in it, and that you were from California. Are you the same man??? Do we have a famous person in our midst?? ;-) I am from PA, and if I happened to read a story in my local paper about a California man, who happens to be on the same newsgroup I am......well, I am just amazed how small a world this actually is!!!! Lisa Burger

Dear List, During the Luddite riots, Miles Brear(e)y was a reporter on the Leeds Mercury (now the Yorkshire Post). The 'paper was sympathetic to the Luddite cause and Miles was regularly dispatched (he lived in Hanging Heaton) to Thornhill, Hudderfield etc., to report on what was going on. Miles became more and more convinced that the Luddites were right and eventually became a sympathiser. Now, the Govt. became aware of the Mercury's sympathy towards the Luddites and sent a spy called Oliver to infiltrate the meetings. Miles was aware of Oliver and had seen his picture, so waited until the meeting was in progress and then stood up and calmly announced that they had a spy in their midst. In the chaos to capture Oliver, he escaped and ran through Oliver Wood towards Thornhill, hotly pursued by Miles who no doubt thought it would make a great story. In order to slow him (no doubt to ask him a few questions before the mob caught up), Miles took his pistol and shot Oliver through the leg. Oliver still escaped by hiding in the Sportsman's Arms pub, Thornhill Lees. My questions are these: (1) Where was the meeting held? (2) Where did Oliver end up? (some say South Africa) (3) Miles ran away after the incident because he thought he had killed Oliver and didn't fancy being strung up in Armley. Where did he go to hide and when did he return to Hanging Heaton to be buried in a grave with a mis-spelled headstone? (4)There is a book that details this story in some length. Does anyone know which book? All these locations are in the West Riding of Yorkshire but I can't be more specific as to dates - just "during Luddite times". If anyone can help, please mail me. Kind regards Mike Brearey Leicester, England ____________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Researching Brearey, Brerehaughe and Hawkwith in WRY & NRY "I'd far sooner be happy than right anyday", said Slartibartfast. "And are you?" Asked Arthur. "No", he replied. "That's where it all falls down."

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BAF2DD249A3B5EE883D76797 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi - I'm forwarding this for the following person. I think it's self-explaining *smile* Barbara --------------BAF2DD249A3B5EE883D76797 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by telepath.com (8.9.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07336 for <sayona@telepath.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:34:20 -0500 (CDT) From: diamond6468@mindspring.com Received: from default (user-38h1s0p.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.240.25]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03738 for <sayona@telepath.com>; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980729073751.006bf4b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:37:51 -0400 To: Barbara <sayona@telepath.com> Subject: Re: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L] 12 yr old James In-Reply-To: <35BE7E2F.944971C9@telepath.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Barbara, The SSA was not implemented until 1936 so unless he was working he would not of had a SS# until he was in his 50's - there was an epidemic of typhoid at that time - it kind of started up north (I'm in Alabama) and worked its way down, also there was a big epidemic of diptheria that killed a lot of people up north - I don't know how to get this to the list so if you want to you can send it - also I would like to know what she means by Mortality Schedule, if you find out will you e-mail it to me - also the Civil War was in the works also, he may of signed on as a young man, there were a lot of young men that did that and he could of gotten killed and nobody knew as he would of lied about his age in order to go fight. If there are Civil War records anywhere around where she is, she might check those, if he went to war, its possible he didn't change his name but just his age. Let me hear. ``Alabama DE`` At 08:43 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >James has disappeared. He does >> not show up on the Mortality Schedule and there is no >death >> certificate on him that I can locate between the years of >1870 >> and 1880. I'm puzzled as to what could have happened to >him >> at the age of 12. How could he vanish without a trace? > >He may have just died and it wasn't recorded. Did he live >in the country or city? Perhaps there was an epidemic at >that time? If so, he could have been buried without all >the legalities. Perhaps he was buried in a private family >cemetery. Then again, he could have been sent away to >other relatives. Did you try the social security list to >see if he was on it? > >Barbara Rivas >sayona@telepath.com > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== >To contact the owner use, dwburgess@worldnet.att.net > > --------------BAF2DD249A3B5EE883D76797--

For those of you who kept informing me that SSN didn't exist in 1880. I realize that. I was not clear perhaps. I meant to infer that if the child had grown up somewhere else, perhaps taken to live with relatives, that when he had grown up, he would probably have registered when the SS began. My own grandparents were born in the 1880s..and they registered for Social Security. They had to go back and get delayed birth certificates to do that. Barbara Rivas sayona@telepath.com

According to a family story, my grandmother, Marie Vitale Taliento, was accidentally shot and killed by her 9 year old son in 1916 in Portland, ME. I have been unable to find any confirmation of this story. I have attempted to find an obituary, and death certificate, but have not found anything. I know that my grandmother died about that time and my mother was raised in a orphanage (i.e. a Catholic children's home). I have done some research in Portland, but I live in Florida so it is very difficult. If someone can give me ideas on how to proceed, I will be so grateful! I plan on making a trip to ME in about a month. 'Looking forward to hearing from you. Dawson@gbso.net Mary Lou Dawson

James has disappeared. He does > not show up on the Mortality Schedule and there is no death > certificate on him that I can locate between the years of 1870 > and 1880. I'm puzzled as to what could have happened to him > at the age of 12. How could he vanish without a trace? He may have just died and it wasn't recorded. Did he live in the country or city? Perhaps there was an epidemic at that time? If so, he could have been buried without all the legalities. Perhaps he was buried in a private family cemetery. Then again, he could have been sent away to other relatives. Did you try the social security list to see if he was on it? Barbara Rivas sayona@telepath.com

Dear Pat; Just a long shot, but did you try to contact the Railroad or the Law Enforcement in the area to see what kind of records that they may have. If the event was classified as unsolved there may still be a record available. Another thought is that if the crime occured on a train the event may have only been in the newspaper at either the ending town or begining town where the train stopped. Good Luck. Debbie

1. SSAN Death Index didnot exist in 1880. 2. Mortality schedules show only those who died in the year previous to the census. NOT the 10 year period. AND only those reported. 3. Check for a state census, usually five years off cycle with the federal one. 4. do a search @ the FHC, perhaps this line has already been documented? 5. do a websearch under the +surname +genealogy Good luck. jeff

Hi! Have you tried searching for any death certificates on people with the same last name for around that period of time? Also, check to see if there are any obits in that area for anyone that may be related to you. You can get newspapers on microfilm through interlibrary loan to your local library for free. It only costs you your time for searching and the possibly the rental of the microfilm reader. Since you know the man's name, you can check the census records to find out who lived in the same household with him, giving you the name of the wife. You really just have to think of unconventional ways to find information out about people. That's what I have had to do in some branches of my tree. GOOD LUCK!!!!!! Cindy Fox Box wrote: > > My great grandfather John Register was last seen by his only child (unless > he remarried & had a family) in the early 1900's, sometime after 1904. My > grandmother, Lula, never knew what happened to him after he paid her a > visit somewhere around 1904 to 1907 or so. > > John Register and his wife had a daughter, Lula, born in 1882. They lived > in or near Rochester (Andrew County), Missouri. In 1886, Lula's mother > died. John packed a suitcase for Lula, 4 years old, and left her in a > farmer neighbor's front yard; his last words to her were "you have to go > find a home now". The people who took her in and raised her as their own > daughter until her marriage in 1904, were named Andrew & Sarah Kelley. > Lula was nicknamed "Louie". She never knew her mother's name, only her > father's. > > When John located Lula, as I mentioned above, he was apparently in need of > a home, very unkept and may have been ill. I believe it was a short visit. > Since he had deserted Lula, I believe my grandfather, Lula's husband, > asked him to go. That was the last time my family saw him. > > "Register" isn't as common a name as many others. I would like to know if > there are any "Registers" who might have had relatives in Missouri from > about 1860 to early 1900's. I have seen some recorded in Buchanan County, > Missouri, near Andrew County. I have had no success in locating any > present day "Registers". > > Any help would be so appreciated in this disappearance. Thank you. > > Marie > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from digest mode, send a NEW message to > GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com > In the body of the message, put the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes).

Hi Pat! Was reading our mystery. I had a relative who was intstitutionalized also AND buried in an unmarked grave. Back then it was like a 'curse' on the family to have a 'looney' in the group. It was the tradition to forget that this person ever existed and not EVER to mention their name again. I had to do a lot of 'investgative work' to find what I could about him. Try the funeral home where the body was taken care of; check local papers - they may have a police log of when and why this person was sent there; try to find an obituary. You can also appeal the court system to have them find and open any records about this family member - stating that this person may have a had a 'medical' condition you fear has been passed on through the family genes (this is the only reason they will open the files)- it's really up to the judge's discretion as to whether he will let you gain access to these files or not. That is about all the help that I can give you with this one. And, remember, sometimes the medical records have been destroyed once the person has been dead for about 7 years. GOOD LUCK! About the first mystery - is it possible that he had changed his name? Try looking for last names that are spelled different by sound nearly the same; it is quite often what people do when they don't want to be found, if that's the case. Back then there may not have been a death cert. it was simply not required by law, as it was with births for a period of time. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR HUNT! Cindy Johnson Pat McCoy wrote: > > Good afternoon! > > This is my first posting to this list and I am hoping that you can help > me solve two family mysteries. > > The first family mystery is in the McCoy branch of my family. > My great-grandfather had a son, (my great-uncle) born in > 1868 in Washington, D.C., James H. McCoy. James shows > up as a two-year-old on the 1870 Census of Washington, D.C. > However, by the 1880 Census, James has disappeared. He does > not show up on the Mortality Schedule and there is no death > certificate on him that I can locate between the years of 1870 > and 1880. I'm puzzled as to what could have happened to him > at the age of 12. How could he vanish without a trace? > > The other family mystery is on the Waterholter side of my family. > I recently discovered that the sister of my great-grandfather was > institutionalized in Saint Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, D.C. > from 1912, (at the age of 50), until May 9, 1942 when she died > at the age of 80. She is buried in an unmarked grave in the > Waterholter plot of Rock Creek Cemetery. However, when > I've asked my remaining Waterholter relatives about her, no one > has heard of her. It appears my grandparents took that > information to the grave with them. I have been unable to > gain access to the hospital records at Saint Elizabeth's so > I have no idea about exactly who this mysterious ancestor, > named Emma Waterholter was, who was responsible for > institutionalizing her, what was the reason for confining her > for thirty years, and why she was buried in an unmarked > grave in the family plot? Why was she never discussed > by my grandparents? > > Who was this mysterious Emma Waterholter born in 1862? > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > > Pat McCoy > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb! Visit http://www.rootsweb.com ! > To contact the owner use, dwburgess@worldnet.att.net

My great grandfather John Register was last seen by his only child (unless he remarried & had a family) in the early 1900's, sometime after 1904. My grandmother, Lula, never knew what happened to him after he paid her a visit somewhere around 1904 to 1907 or so. John Register and his wife had a daughter, Lula, born in 1882. They lived in or near Rochester (Andrew County), Missouri. In 1886, Lula's mother died. John packed a suitcase for Lula, 4 years old, and left her in a farmer neighbor's front yard; his last words to her were "you have to go find a home now". The people who took her in and raised her as their own daughter until her marriage in 1904, were named Andrew & Sarah Kelley. Lula was nicknamed "Louie". She never knew her mother's name, only her father's. When John located Lula, as I mentioned above, he was apparently in need of a home, very unkept and may have been ill. I believe it was a short visit. Since he had deserted Lula, I believe my grandfather, Lula's husband, asked him to go. That was the last time my family saw him. "Register" isn't as common a name as many others. I would like to know if there are any "Registers" who might have had relatives in Missouri from about 1860 to early 1900's. I have seen some recorded in Buchanan County, Missouri, near Andrew County. I have had no success in locating any present day "Registers". Any help would be so appreciated in this disappearance. Thank you. Marie