Yesterday I received a marriage certificate for my children's grandparents that I requested almost a year ago. This certificate shows that their grandmother's first marriage was annulled! How would I go about locating the court record for this annullment? I do not know when or where this first marriage took place, but since she was only 24 years old at the time of her second marriage, I can estimate the date range fairly accurately. She was born in California and her second marriage was also in California, so I am assuming that the annullment also occurred in California. Does anyone have any idea how I can locate the court records for this annullment? Norma Jean Hermocillo

Women are carries....only men get the actual disease....

I just wanted to mention one other thing...I remember being told by a professor that women who have hemophilia usually die in adolescence due to the onset of their menstrual cycles. I don't know if that is true, but it does seem reasonable. Maybe some clotting drugs have changed that now... :) Melissa

Well Teresa, I hope you and I have started a trend here ... suddenly there are lots of helpful comments on our English mysteries of long ago!! Thank you all so much for your interest, and especially I'd like to thank Kathleen and Melissa, and also the person who forwarded my posting to someone in Devon (who was also very helpful). The Devon correspondent gave me the address of the Births, Deaths and Marriages office in Tiverton, which she says is 25.5 miles from Exeter, its closest city. Melissa ... I've tried that tack (Sarah EDDLESTON marrying George DAVEY), but only by searching the IGI, which as Kathleen very rightly points out, is notoriously incomplete. No luck. Goodness knows where her parents were from, but if her father was in Devon it's pretty unlikely the mother would have come from Lancashire, unless they were from a family involved in trading or manufacturing (unlikely for Devon folks, who did not seem to move around much). Kathleen ... thanks for the thoughtful and enlightening comments. I'm not sure if your email went to all the listers or just me. But for everyone's benefit I'll paste it below. I think you may be right about Ellen's name, birth parents and DOB being given correctly ... in fact the parents' names and birth date were included in details kept by the family, so there is probably no reason for her to cover it up there. It's just that if she did not want to be found, she might have given a false name ... but this info tallies with the info she gave for her ship's passage (except for putting her age up (I'd say unaccompanied passengers were probably supposed to be over 18) and on her marriage certificate, where it seems she signed her name "Ellen Davey" (she must have been able to write - but the spelling on the passenger list is "Davy". On the marriage certificate, it says they were married "with consent", which means they needed their parents' consent as they were both under 21. It would be almost certain they forged the letters of consent. They couldn't have even got letters to England and back in the time (they arrived Nov 1849 and were married on 14 January 1850). Very little information is given on Ellen's death certificate, but she died 21 years after her husband Richard PEET in a mental hospital, probably from Alzheimer's Disease, at age 85, having outlived most of her children. The manager of the hospital was the informant for the death certificate, so it's no wonder it has "unknown" for her parents' names, spouse's name, place and age at marriage, length of time in the colony etc. As for Fred PEET, I'm going to try looking for his grave next time I go to Sydney. He just might have a headstone in the Camperdown C of E graveyard if it's still there. Ellen and Richard named a baby after him, and I'm sure they would have remained close to him even if the rest of the family did not ... and they may have put up a stone for him. Yes, it's horrible to see some of the ways our ancestors and their siblings died, all preventable or treatable diseases now. I actually shed a little tear for poor young Fred having his promising life cut short, when I saw his death certificate. Ironically, his mother Ann died of dysentery only three months earlier, and only a short distance away on the Bathurst goldfields. One of the intriguing contradictions about this well-travelled family was that Richard and Fred's father Charles Septimus PEET, a wealthy man of independent means who started out in the family silk and hosiery manufacturing businesses in Derby, and later lived in London and America where he established a resort at Auburn in upstate New York, actually got greedy and came to the (disease-ridden) NSW goldfields about 15 years after the goldrush started, bringing his wife and youngest daughter (Charles and Ann had 15 children who ended up on three continents). His occupation was given as a goldminer on Ann's death certificate. So his greed was responsible for his wife's early death (at 56). Charles Septimus then went back to America, where he spent his remaining years gambling away the family fortune in St Louis of all places!! And then died there of cholera. He got his come-uppance. Yet as far as we know, he never spoke to his wayward son again!! Ironical. My grandmother infected me years ago with the desire to find out more about the Peet family, and also about Ellen Davey's origins. She had been trying herself, but to no avail. I'm pleased to say I've made enormous progress on the PEETs, and filled in many missing bits of their mysteries, thanks largely to the web and especially Rootsweb. But Ellen still intrigues ... Thanks list! Ruth This was Kathleen's reply: On the Cornish List there was just a recounting of a family story where the second wife said she's accept her husband's daughter but not the two sons. the sons were packed off to New Zealand. So it is not an unusual story. My own ggrandfather was sent out by his stepmother at 14 and *she* kept his wages! The IGI is notoriously incomplete. And Davey/Davy is a very common name. I would bet your greatgrandmother probably stayed very close to the truth in her application and merely forged signatures. She may also have been 'bound out' as a servant and was only living in Exeter, having been born in the surrounding farm area. My mother and father -in -law shared 29 May as a birthday, ten years apart, so that is not a point of disbelief for me. Lung disease may have meant TB and in that case no one would have been allowed to be with him because of contagion. I grew up in an area where TB Sanitariums were common as we had such clear air. People did die alone. Remember that medical practices were not the same then as now. No antibiotics is one good reason I'm glad I didn't live back in the 'good old days'! I will forward your mystery to a friend in the Exeter area and perhaps she can recommend some area of reasearch or someone to do it for you. Researching: DREW PEET (PEAT) DAVEY (DAVY) MILLER WILLIAMS WEDLAKE THOMAS EDLESTON (EDDLESTON) NORMAN ALLEN MANNING BARRYMORE (BLYTH) BARTLETT YATES MILLS FERGUSON CORNEY HANCOCK DARE DOUPE SWITZER FARRELL PRATE (PRATT) MOYNAHAN (MONAHAN) ODELL QUIN LANGAN LANGLEY GOGGIN RADLEY SYMONS VICKERY YELLAND TOWNSEND HUGHES

Here is the bit that I know about hemophilia, that I learned in bio class. 1. It is a genetically transmitted disease that resides on the X chromosome. It is a recessive disease (which means that a person must have the gene for the disease on ALL X chromosomes that they have). Mostly men have the disease because they only have 1 X chromosome. So if they have the gene for the disease, they have the disease. Women can either have the disease or be a carrier for the disease. A carrier is someone who has the gene for the disease, but since they only have it on 1 of 2 chromosomes, they don't have the disease. They can then pass it on to their children. Since the mother gives her X chromosome to both her male and female children, if she is a carrier, her sons have 50% chance of getting the disease. A father can not pass the disease on to his sons, only the mother can. A father with the disease will definitely have daughters who are either carriers or have the disease (if their mother is a carrier). I know this is a bit confusing, but if you draw a square and divide it in 4. Then put the X chromosomes of the mother on the top (make one big and one little) and the X and Y chromosomes of the father on the left. Put the big X chromosome from the mother in the left 2 boxes and the little x chromosome from the mother in the right 2 boxes. Then take the X and Y chromosomes from the father and put the X in the top 2 boxes and the Y in the bottom 2 boxes. These boxes represent children. So imagine if the father has hemophilia and the mother is not a carrier. Then you can see that the daughters are all carriers (they have 1 X chromosome with and 1 without the gene). Imagine all the possibilities and you can see what happens. 2. The other thing that I can say about the subject is that it did go through royalty lines, but mostly because they interbred like crazy. The most famous example that I can think of is the last czar of Russia's family. Romonov, is the name I believe. If you look at their family tree, it is easy to see how hemophilia is spread. I am not sure and do not believe that the disease originated with royal families, but I could be wrong. -All of this info is stuff I remember from college biology. Guess I was paying more attention then I thought. :) If you hit a complete dead end, you might find out about other hemophilia cases in the area. I think that it is a relatively rare disease and it does not hide itself too well. Hope some of this helps. Happy hunting, Megan > > >James Miller and Alice Floyd was my grand mother and father. From Bartow >county,GA.James DOB 1884 or 85.Alice DOB 1887 or 88.They died in >Detroit,MI. >James died in the 1940s and Alice died In 1957. > Many of my family members died because doctors didn't treat African >Americans for hemophilia. > >I know vary little about Who their mother and father was,other than what >I have been told. >I was told that this disease came from (Spanish) royalty ? I don't know >if that is true but would like to find out. > >I know this is not a disease that the black race has and not be part of >my family.I still see the men young and old die. All I know is who my >grand parents are, Some of the children, and that I am here mostly. > >In my web page I have some information on the MILLERs.Can anyone help. I >am at a brick wall. > > >http://community.webtv.net/stephanie179/StephaniesFamily >

   James Miller and Alice Floyd was my grand mother and father. From Bartow county,GA.James DOB 1884 or 85.Alice DOB 1887 or 88.They died in Detroit,MI. James died in the 1940s and Alice died In 1957. Many of my family members died because doctors didn't treat African Americans for hemophilia. I know vary little about Who their mother and father was,other than what I have been told. I was told that this disease came from (Spanish) royalty ? I don't know if that is true but would like to find out. I know this is not a disease that the black race has and not be part of my family.I still see the men young and old die. All I know is who my grand parents are, Some of the children, and that I am here mostly. In my web page I have some information on the MILLERs.Can anyone help. I am at a brick wall. http://community.webtv.net/stephanie179/StephaniesFamily

Lady in waiting isn't a servant. I am in lineage of many royal families. Once you find your relationship to one, several fall in line. A lady in waiting would be someone of importance, not a slave. It can even mean you have royal birthright, but many times removed. Say through a sibling of a royal, but that sibling never quite made it to the throne. Judi At 08:33 AM 1/13/00 -0500, Lori Craytor wrote: >Hi Teresa and everyone - I have wondered about this also - I have an ancestor who claimed her ancestor (mine, too, I supposed) was "first lady in waiting to the queen". This would have been a French queen. What actually is a first lady in waiting? I had assumed it was a servant, but after reading Teresa's note, I wonder if she isn't correct. > >Lori > >Teresa Silvey wrote: > >> OK-thanks. >> My grandma wrote a letter a loooong time ago telling what little she knew of her family. >> Here is a paragraph from that letter: >> Every bit of this is her words,including the parenthesis. >> According to tradition,a long ago lady was a lady (servant I supose)to the first Queen Elizabeth of England.Then when she and each one of her descendants married,the oldest daughter was supposed to be named Elizabeth.All went according to rule(so the story goes) until my grandmother Bessie Ross rebelled and named her first daughter-child-Myrtle and her second one Elizabeth.------------- >> >> ok---me again---I have done some research and what I have found is that the term Lady to the queen would be not a servant,but a daughter or female descendant.However,Elizabeth I never married and no children were ever documented.I've emailed a few people I ran up on who were in England and got no response.Anybody got any ideas?And has anyone ever heard of this tradition?I will also note that the continued generations used Elizabeth as a middle name including the present. >> Teresa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ruth Miller >> To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:29 AM >> Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] English mystery >> >> Well Theresa, someone might be able to help us. Post your English mystery >> ... I'm intrigued! >> Ruth >> >> Bush Traks Recording & Multimedia >> Unit 1 Bush Factory, Cullen Street >> Nimbin NSW 2480 >> Australia >> Tel. 61 2 (International) 02 (Aust.) 66891290 >> Fax 61 2 (International) 02 (Aust.) 66891142 >> Web http://www.nimbin.net/bushtraks/ > > >

Hi Teresa and everyone - I have wondered about this also - I have an ancestor who claimed her ancestor (mine, too, I supposed) was "first lady in waiting to the queen". This would have been a French queen. What actually is a first lady in waiting? I had assumed it was a servant, but after reading Teresa's note, I wonder if she isn't correct. Lori Teresa Silvey wrote: > OK-thanks. > My grandma wrote a letter a loooong time ago telling what little she knew of her family. > Here is a paragraph from that letter: > Every bit of this is her words,including the parenthesis. > According to tradition,a long ago lady was a lady (servant I supose)to the first Queen Elizabeth of England.Then when she and each one of her descendants married,the oldest daughter was supposed to be named Elizabeth.All went according to rule(so the story goes) until my grandmother Bessie Ross rebelled and named her first daughter-child-Myrtle and her second one Elizabeth.------------- > > ok---me again---I have done some research and what I have found is that the term Lady to the queen would be not a servant,but a daughter or female descendant.However,Elizabeth I never married and no children were ever documented.I've emailed a few people I ran up on who were in England and got no response.Anybody got any ideas?And has anyone ever heard of this tradition?I will also note that the continued generations used Elizabeth as a middle name including the present. > Teresa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ruth Miller > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:29 AM > Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] English mystery > > Well Theresa, someone might be able to help us. Post your English mystery > ... I'm intrigued! > Ruth > > Bush Traks Recording & Multimedia > Unit 1 Bush Factory, Cullen Street > Nimbin NSW 2480 > Australia > Tel. 61 2 (International) 02 (Aust.) 66891290 > Fax 61 2 (International) 02 (Aust.) 66891142 > Web http://www.nimbin.net/bushtraks/

Theresa, Maybe she means a Lady in Waiting to the queen? That was my first thought when I read it. Ruth, Maybe Sara's maiden name was Eddleston and Ellen used the name after her Mother's side of the family. Could her Mom have been from the Lancashire area? Good Luck! Melissa

Dear Teresa, you should subscribe to the following rootsweb list: gen-royal-l-request@rootsweb.com There are several people who can help you. Maybe you get the right clue. I hope that helps! Beate >From: "Teresa Silvey" <tsvy@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] English mystery >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:47:04 -0500 > >OK-thanks. >My grandma wrote a letter a loooong time ago telling what little she knew >of her family. >Here is a paragraph from that letter: >Every bit of this is her words,including the parenthesis. > According to tradition,a long ago lady was a lady (servant I supose)to >the first Queen Elizabeth of England.Then when she and each one of her >descendants married,the oldest daughter was supposed to be named >Elizabeth.All went according to rule(so the story goes) until my >grandmother Bessie Ross rebelled and named her first daughter-child-Myrtle >and her second one Elizabeth.------------- > >ok---me again---I have done some research and what I have found is that the >term Lady to the queen would be not a servant,but a daughter or female >descendant.However,Elizabeth I never married and no children were ever >documented.I've emailed a few people I ran up on who were in England and >got no response.Anybody got any ideas?And has anyone ever heard of this >tradition?I will also note that the continued generations used Elizabeth as >a middle name including the present. >Teresa ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>My problem is we weren't left much genealogy info to work with.All I >really know is that they went to Canada,then Tennesee and >finally,Oklahoma.Oh well,it's interesting at least! Start with the person you know something about and try to work back from her. At least you know where to look (what states etc.). That's a good start (seeing the states all kept their records separately, so if you had no idea you'd have to check them all!). Check census info (might find out how old she was, therefore birth year, also might be living in house with her parents who would be named). If you only know her married name, try to find her marriage, as this record would give her maiden name ... then try looking for her birth record ... which should tell you who her parents were etc. etc. and so on. Researching: DREW PEET (PEAT) DAVEY (DAVY) MILLER WILLIAMS WEDLAKE THOMAS EDLESTON (EDDLESTON) NORMAN ALLEN MANNING BARRYMORE (BLYTH) BARTLETT YATES MILLS FERGUSON CORNEY HANCOCK DARE DOUPE SWITZER FARRELL PRATE (PRATT) MOYNAHAN (MONAHAN) ODELL QUIN LANGAN LANGLEY GOGGIN RADLEY SYMONS VICKERY YELLAND TOWNSEND HUGHES

My gg grandfather Napoleon F. Fleming was born Nov. 1848 in Rutherford County Tennessee. I looked forever before I could find him in 1850 census. He was in the household of his mother C. J. Maxwell. His name on the census was Napoleon F. Maxwell. His death certificate states his parents were Sam and C. J. Maxwell Fleming. Sam was younger than C. J. by about five years making him around 16 when Napoleon was born and her 21. A bio of Samuel Fleming states he had four children and by the marriage to Jane (C. J.) three, Napoleon was not named (maybe mistake?). The three younger children were named. Napoleon's obit lists the children as his siblings. I find Napoleon (first and last name misspelled) in the Tipton County Tennessee census (where I live now) in 1860 with Jane and Samuel Fleming. Jane's mother and brothers and sisters moved to Tipton County also, but lived in another household. Samuel mother was Keziah Wilson Fleming, she stayed in Rutherford County. I cannot find Samuel anywhere in 1850 census. Jane and Samuel were married June 1850. I wonder if there is any way I can determine if Napoleon is the natural son of Jane Maxwell and Samuel Fleming? Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Linda

My problem is we weren't left much genealogy info to work with.All I really know is that they went to Canada,then Tennesee and finally,Oklahoma.Oh well,it's interesting at least! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Miller To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] English mystery Teresa, Wouldn't "lady" mean "lady-in-waiting"? Most of the members of the "court" were from noble families weren't they? I can imagine a tradition like that (the eldest daughter named Elizabeth) if someone did/was something important like being part of Elizabeth I's inner circle. Anyway, it would be a bit hard to work out unless you worked back from what you know, but researching nobility is a bit easier than general hoi polloi ... although there are pitfalls. In the 19th century a lot of falsifying of genealogical information went on by well-to-do people who wanted to look like they were from nobility, plus a lot of wishful thinking (just plain bad genealogy), so lineages in things like Burke's Peerage can be suspect. However, more was written down in general about noble families, so it may be possible to work it out if you are very discriminating. More difficult with a female line though ... the surname would keep changing. Good luck, looks like a lot of work! Ruth >OK-thanks. >My grandma wrote a letter a loooong time ago telling what little she knew >of her family. >Here is a paragraph from that letter: >Every bit of this is her words,including the parenthesis. > According to tradition,a long ago lady was a lady (servant I supose)to >the first Queen Elizabeth of England.Then when she and each one of her >descendants married,the oldest daughter was supposed to be named >Elizabeth.All went according to rule(so the story goes) until my >grandmother Bessie Ross rebelled and named her first daughter-child-Myrtle >and her second one Elizabeth.------------- > >ok---me again---I have done some research and what I have found is that >the term Lady to the queen would be not a servant,but a daughter or female >descendant.However,Elizabeth I never married and no children were ever >documented.I've emailed a few people I ran up on who were in England and >got no response.Anybody got any ideas?And has anyone ever heard of this >tradition?I will also note that the continued generations used Elizabeth >as a middle name including the present. >Teresa Researching: DREW PEET (PEAT) DAVEY (DAVY) MILLER WILLIAMS WEDLAKE THOMAS EDLESTON (EDDLESTON) NORMAN ALLEN MANNING BARRYMORE (BLYTH) BARTLETT YATES MILLS FERGUSON CORNEY HANCOCK DARE DOUPE SWITZER FARRELL PRATE (PRATT) MOYNAHAN (MONAHAN) ODELL QUIN LANGAN LANGLEY GOGGIN RADLEY SYMONS VICKERY YELLAND TOWNSEND HUGHES

Teresa, Wouldn't "lady" mean "lady-in-waiting"? Most of the members of the "court" were from noble families weren't they? I can imagine a tradition like that (the eldest daughter named Elizabeth) if someone did/was something important like being part of Elizabeth I's inner circle. Anyway, it would be a bit hard to work out unless you worked back from what you know, but researching nobility is a bit easier than general hoi polloi ... although there are pitfalls. In the 19th century a lot of falsifying of genealogical information went on by well-to-do people who wanted to look like they were from nobility, plus a lot of wishful thinking (just plain bad genealogy), so lineages in things like Burke's Peerage can be suspect. However, more was written down in general about noble families, so it may be possible to work it out if you are very discriminating. More difficult with a female line though ... the surname would keep changing. Good luck, looks like a lot of work! Ruth >OK-thanks. >My grandma wrote a letter a loooong time ago telling what little she knew >of her family. >Here is a paragraph from that letter: >Every bit of this is her words,including the parenthesis. > According to tradition,a long ago lady was a lady (servant I supose)to >the first Queen Elizabeth of England.Then when she and each one of her >descendants married,the oldest daughter was supposed to be named >Elizabeth.All went according to rule(so the story goes) until my >grandmother Bessie Ross rebelled and named her first daughter-child-Myrtle >and her second one Elizabeth.------------- > >ok---me again---I have done some research and what I have found is that >the term Lady to the queen would be not a servant,but a daughter or female >descendant.However,Elizabeth I never married and no children were ever >documented.I've emailed a few people I ran up on who were in England and >got no response.Anybody got any ideas?And has anyone ever heard of this >tradition?I will also note that the continued generations used Elizabeth >as a middle name including the present. >Teresa Researching: DREW PEET (PEAT) DAVEY (DAVY) MILLER WILLIAMS WEDLAKE THOMAS EDLESTON (EDDLESTON) NORMAN ALLEN MANNING BARRYMORE (BLYTH) BARTLETT YATES MILLS FERGUSON CORNEY HANCOCK DARE DOUPE SWITZER FARRELL PRATE (PRATT) MOYNAHAN (MONAHAN) ODELL QUIN LANGAN LANGLEY GOGGIN RADLEY SYMONS VICKERY YELLAND TOWNSEND HUGHES

OK-thanks. My grandma wrote a letter a loooong time ago telling what little she knew of her family. Here is a paragraph from that letter: Every bit of this is her words,including the parenthesis. According to tradition,a long ago lady was a lady (servant I supose)to the first Queen Elizabeth of England.Then when she and each one of her descendants married,the oldest daughter was supposed to be named Elizabeth.All went according to rule(so the story goes) until my grandmother Bessie Ross rebelled and named her first daughter-child-Myrtle and her second one Elizabeth.------------- ok---me again---I have done some research and what I have found is that the term Lady to the queen would be not a servant,but a daughter or female descendant.However,Elizabeth I never married and no children were ever documented.I've emailed a few people I ran up on who were in England and got no response.Anybody got any ideas?And has anyone ever heard of this tradition?I will also note that the continued generations used Elizabeth as a middle name including the present. Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Miller To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:29 AM Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] English mystery Well Theresa, someone might be able to help us. Post your English mystery ... I'm intrigued! Ruth Bush Traks Recording & Multimedia Unit 1 Bush Factory, Cullen Street Nimbin NSW 2480 Australia Tel. 61 2 (International) 02 (Aust.) 66891290 Fax 61 2 (International) 02 (Aust.) 66891142 Web http://www.nimbin.net/bushtraks/

Well Theresa, someone might be able to help us. Post your English mystery ... I'm intrigued! Ruth Bush Traks Recording & Multimedia Unit 1 Bush Factory, Cullen Street Nimbin NSW 2480 Australia Tel. 61 2 (International) 02 (Aust.) 66891290 Fax 61 2 (International) 02 (Aust.) 66891142 Web http://www.nimbin.net/bushtraks/

Ruth,I wouldn't know the first thing,I am really new to this and you already have much more than I've been able to find.Maybe I should send my England mystery here too. Sorry, Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Miller To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Old family mystery Thanks Jennifer, Gail, Theresa ... I guess I was feeling a bit left-out with all these US mysteries being solved! But I also know my mystery's a difficult one and I guess I have to face it that it may never be solved. However any advice on how I might proceed would be very much appreciated. This mystery has been spoken of in the family for a long time. My 2g grandmother ran away from home in England aged 14. My grandmother told me she forged her parents' signatures on the documents to apply for assisted passage to New South Wales in 1849, that she met two brothers (aged 15 and 18) on the ship, fell in love with one, but on arrival, married the other (older) brother ... maybe because she was getting practical about it. Getting married was probably about all she could do, and the younger brother was probably too young. After a bit of searching I eventually found their ship (the Petrel) and entry into Australia. The brothers (Richard and Frederick PEET) had put their ages up to 19 and 16, and Ellen DAVY (or DAVEY) had stated her age as 18. It turns out the two brothers were also running away from home, and their well-to-do silk manufacturing family never spoke to them again. Ellen was still 14 when she married Richard (by banns) only three months after arriving. The NSW gold rush followed shortly after, and Richard and Ellen made their fortune by making and selling "gold cradles" for panning old, later moving to the recently-established town of Maitland, north of Sydney, where they raised their 10 surviving (out of 14) children and Richard worked as a joiner. It seems they would have dearly loved to have been accepted back into the family fold but never were. As for poor Fred, I would love to know if he had a broken heart (but never will). I recently found his death and burial details and it seems he died in Sydney Infirmary at the tender age of 27 of "lung disease". He does not seem to have married, and although other family members were in NSW by then, he seems to have died a lonely death with no family to comfort him. Tragic ... anyway I digress. Further digging has revealed that Ellen DAVY said she came from Exeter, Devon, and that she said her parents' names were George and Sarah DAVEY (or DAVY). Her birth date is written in family records as 8 Apr 1835 ... but her husband Richard PEET's birthday seems to be the same (8 April - but in 1831). She probably WAS from Devon (my grandmother would have noticed an inconsistent accent), but I tend to think there's a possibility much of the other information she gave (surname, birth date, parents' names, even Exeter) could be false ... but then again maybe not. In the IGI I can find no George and Sarah DAVEY/DAVY as parents of an Ellen anywhere in England. There was a George DAVY who married Sarah HERN in Tiverton, Devon in Feb 1828. The IGI may be incomplete for Devon though. Anyone know where Tiverton is? The other strange thing is that Richard and Ellen named their first surviving child John Edleston PEET. This name Edleston (with a spelling variation) is used again in the next generation for Bernard Eddleston DREW. This name is obviously a family name ... but whose family - Richard's or Ellen's? There seems to be no mention of the name in the PEET family prior to this, and I cannot find any link the PEETs may have with this name. I've done lots of searching looking for Ellen as a possible EDDLESTON but with no luck. The geography's wrong anyway ... most EDDLESTONs seem to hail from Lancashire area ... I don't think it's very common in Devon. This is closer to where the PEETs came from (Derby, with connections in Nottingham, Birmingham, Manchester and London). The family will probably never know Ellen's reasons for running away (although we'd very much like to). However I haven't totally given up on trying to seek out her origins. I suppose I should assume she was telling the truth and investigate that first, although so far that's got me nowhere. Anyone got any ideas on how to proceed? Any comments or advice will be gratefully received! Thanks, Ruth Researching: DREW PEET (PEAT) DAVEY (DAVY) MILLER WILLIAMS WEDLAKE THOMAS EDLESTON (EDDLESTON) NORMAN ALLEN MANNING BARRYMORE (BLYTH) BARTLETT YATES MILLS FERGUSON CORNEY HANCOCK DARE DOUPE SWITZER FARRELL PRATE (PRATT) MOYNAHAN (MONAHAN) ODELL QUIN LANGAN LANGLEY GOGGIN RADLEY SYMONS VICKERY YELLAND TOWNSEND HUGHES

Thanks Jennifer, Gail, Theresa ... I guess I was feeling a bit left-out with all these US mysteries being solved! But I also know my mystery's a difficult one and I guess I have to face it that it may never be solved. However any advice on how I might proceed would be very much appreciated. This mystery has been spoken of in the family for a long time. My 2g grandmother ran away from home in England aged 14. My grandmother told me she forged her parents' signatures on the documents to apply for assisted passage to New South Wales in 1849, that she met two brothers (aged 15 and 18) on the ship, fell in love with one, but on arrival, married the other (older) brother ... maybe because she was getting practical about it. Getting married was probably about all she could do, and the younger brother was probably too young. After a bit of searching I eventually found their ship (the Petrel) and entry into Australia. The brothers (Richard and Frederick PEET) had put their ages up to 19 and 16, and Ellen DAVY (or DAVEY) had stated her age as 18. It turns out the two brothers were also running away from home, and their well-to-do silk manufacturing family never spoke to them again. Ellen was still 14 when she married Richard (by banns) only three months after arriving. The NSW gold rush followed shortly after, and Richard and Ellen made their fortune by making and selling "gold cradles" for panning old, later moving to the recently-established town of Maitland, north of Sydney, where they raised their 10 surviving (out of 14) children and Richard worked as a joiner. It seems they would have dearly loved to have been accepted back into the family fold but never were. As for poor Fred, I would love to know if he had a broken heart (but never will). I recently found his death and burial details and it seems he died in Sydney Infirmary at the tender age of 27 of "lung disease". He does not seem to have married, and although other family members were in NSW by then, he seems to have died a lonely death with no family to comfort him. Tragic ... anyway I digress. Further digging has revealed that Ellen DAVY said she came from Exeter, Devon, and that she said her parents' names were George and Sarah DAVEY (or DAVY). Her birth date is written in family records as 8 Apr 1835 ... but her husband Richard PEET's birthday seems to be the same (8 April - but in 1831). She probably WAS from Devon (my grandmother would have noticed an inconsistent accent), but I tend to think there's a possibility much of the other information she gave (surname, birth date, parents' names, even Exeter) could be false ... but then again maybe not. In the IGI I can find no George and Sarah DAVEY/DAVY as parents of an Ellen anywhere in England. There was a George DAVY who married Sarah HERN in Tiverton, Devon in Feb 1828. The IGI may be incomplete for Devon though. Anyone know where Tiverton is? The other strange thing is that Richard and Ellen named their first surviving child John Edleston PEET. This name Edleston (with a spelling variation) is used again in the next generation for Bernard Eddleston DREW. This name is obviously a family name ... but whose family - Richard's or Ellen's? There seems to be no mention of the name in the PEET family prior to this, and I cannot find any link the PEETs may have with this name. I've done lots of searching looking for Ellen as a possible EDDLESTON but with no luck. The geography's wrong anyway ... most EDDLESTONs seem to hail from Lancashire area ... I don't think it's very common in Devon. This is closer to where the PEETs came from (Derby, with connections in Nottingham, Birmingham, Manchester and London). The family will probably never know Ellen's reasons for running away (although we'd very much like to). However I haven't totally given up on trying to seek out her origins. I suppose I should assume she was telling the truth and investigate that first, although so far that's got me nowhere. Anyone got any ideas on how to proceed? Any comments or advice will be gratefully received! Thanks, Ruth Researching: DREW PEET (PEAT) DAVEY (DAVY) MILLER WILLIAMS WEDLAKE THOMAS EDLESTON (EDDLESTON) NORMAN ALLEN MANNING BARRYMORE (BLYTH) BARTLETT YATES MILLS FERGUSON CORNEY HANCOCK DARE DOUPE SWITZER FARRELL PRATE (PRATT) MOYNAHAN (MONAHAN) ODELL QUIN LANGAN LANGLEY GOGGIN RADLEY SYMONS VICKERY YELLAND TOWNSEND HUGHES

I might not be able to help,but would sure love to read your story! Teresa(yes,in the U.S.) ----- Original Message ----- From: G Escala To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 11:38 PM Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Re: Mysteries outside USA Hi Ruth ~ Please repost. I think those are the most intriguing of mysteries. Gail, Ohio > I have > not noticed much help with anything like that. I received no help, > feedback, advice or response to the one and only mystery I've posted. It > was not an American mystery, and it took place just over 150 years ago.

Hi again mystery-listers, I'm really enjoying following the mysteries, and get excited when one gets solved, but I do notice they are 99% American mysteries, and largely almost-current missing persons. Do you think it's any use posting mysteries which involve ancestors from England or Ireland, or mysteries older than a couple of generations? I have not noticed much help with anything like that. I received no help, feedback, advice or response to the one and only mystery I've posted. It was not an American mystery, and it took place just over 150 years ago. Just wondering ... are you all from the US? Ruth Researching: DREW PEET (PEAT) DAVEY (DAVY) MILLER WILLIAMS WEDLAKE THOMAS EDLESTON (EDDLESTON) NORMAN ALLEN MANNING BARRYMORE (BLYTH) BARTLETT YATES MILLS FERGUSON CORNEY HANCOCK DARE DOUPE SWITZER FARRELL PRATE (PRATT) MOYNAHAN (MONAHAN) ODELL QUIN LANGAN LANGLEY GOGGIN RADLEY SYMONS VICKERY YELLAND TOWNSEND HUGHES