In a message dated 1/17/00 3:50:34 PM Central Standard Time, paron@bendnet.com writes: << locateme.com >> I tried your suggestion but they do not go back as far as 1867 for births. Thank you! Deb

I just got your mail from the Mysteries List. It really hit home. Thank you for sharing. I, too, have a grandfather who has been missing since 1955. But any time I have shared ideas other than "he just ran off & disappeared" with my father (His son), my Dad scoffs at the notion. (I always thought there must have been an argument leading to this separation/disappearance). Hard to convince the kids left behind that perhaps there is more to the stories than their Mother told them. Actually, my father was 25 yrs old when his father "disappeared". His dad had gone by my dad's house to say Hello (goodbye?) and had fishing gear in the car. He was never seen nor heard from again. Grandmother divorced him 7 years later (about 1962). I have not been able to find a death record, or even a birth record (!) or marriage, for him. No record of any kind from this man's life has been found. Strange. I have been researching everywhere! Anyway.....thanks for the information. I will continue to try to find out whatever happened to him... my father really needs to know, for his peace of mind. I am interested in his (our) genealogy so I am trying to locate records that may have his parents names on them..no luck so far though. Many Blessing to you. Peggy PeggyLynnRowe@aol.com Searching for: ALBION LEE ROWE Born: March 9, 1892, Florida Died: ??? Disappeared: 1955 La Mesa, San Diego County, CA

Thank you for that information. In my case I have two mysteries. Here is the first: Leander Cassimere LEROY was married to Mae Therrien (also referred to as Mary). They had 3 daughters: Mae, Flora and Pearl (My grandmother). Leander and Mae had an argument. Leander left and was never heard from again. There is one living person who remembers him and that is his niece. She asked ME if I knew what ever happened to him and said no one in the family ever heard from him again! Sadly, I can find no records of this man anywhere. They were living in Shrewsbury, Worcester County, Massachusetts at the time. My mother assumes her grandma divorced Leander since she remarried (no dates for all of this) someone named Scott. My grandmother was born in October of 1898 and I have a pic of him holding my grandmother who was about 2 or 3 at the time. So I'm assuming he left around 1903 or after. My second mystery is regarding my father. He impregnated a woman named Betty when he was 16 years old. She was 18 at the time. The child was born (a boy) in 1947 around July or August in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Betty's last name has been forgotten. She married a man (in 1947) that was serving in WWII and had returned home. She grew up with this man and we assume he adopted the child. My father doesn't know his name either. I would like to find my brother. Any idea's? Thanks, Deb Glendale, Arizona

I have found it works well to call the cemetery office. It's harder to put your request aside and forget it if you are on the line. Nancy Custer -----Original Message----- From: J.Moose [mailto:jmoose@hetnet.nl] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 10:51 AM To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Missing MOOSE is found! Thank you, all of you, that responded for my request for help in finding Gus Moose, who disappeared so many years ago. I have found him, buried in the National Cemetery at Rock Island in Illinois. I don't know how many times I've typed in his name on all the various search engines at genealogy sites and come up empty handed. It has been so very frustrating. But the general advice to me was first of all, not to give up (that was nice to hear!), and to concentrate on that one thread of a clue I had from the obituary notice of his brother, that old Gus was living in Chicago in 1917. The next time I went to an Illinois site, I found him. It took all of two minutes!! Now that I know which plot Gustavus Bernard Moose is buried in, what should I do next? Contact the cemetery for headstone information? Or shall I try to contact someone living in Illinois and ask them to look for his headstone? Forgive my ignorance, I'm still learning. Thanks again, everyone. One brick wall less!!! Johanna Moose in Holland

Johanna - I know I have sent a previous response but I discovered I spelled the name of one of the cities wrong and that won't help you at all! Bettendorf is the correct spelling. In Illinois the Secretary of State oversees the state library system and the state archives. Previous governors and sec of state have been dedicated to maintaining geneologic records. More important making those records available to the public. A site for you to search is www.sos.state.il.us. >From there select archives and then geneological research. There may be other files on this web site that are helpful. I found one for Civil War soldiers from Illinois that I am now going to have to find time to investigate!! Happy hunting!!

Rock Island, Illinois is in Rock Island County. You might try with the Geneology society in that county. Many cemetaries keep very poor records other than who was buried on that site and maybe, who purchased the site. If the geneology society doesn't have copies of the obituaries, you might contact the library at Rock Island, Illinois. Many of the active geneology societies in Illinois have also researched the local cemetaries to at least have an index of who is buried there. One word of caution, Rock Island is part of the "Quad cities" area of Illinois and Iowa. As you know, just because he is buried there doesn't mean he died there. You may need to also check Moline, Illinois/ Bettendorg, Iowa and Davenport, Iowa. Good Luck and keep trying! Sounds like you are on the right track.

Johanna, I noticed you are in Holland.Are you anywhere close to Brautsch?My mother's maternal ancestors are from there. Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: J.Moose To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Missing MOOSE is found! Thank you so much Delilah, I'm hot on the trail now! And to the rest of you out there, DON'T GIVE UP! Johanna in Holland

Thank you so much Delilah, I'm hot on the trail now! And to the rest of you out there, DON'T GIVE UP! Johanna in Holland

chuckle, chuckle. I love it. Wendy -- RESEARCH is what you start doing when no one alive remembers, no one has written a book, and no one has posted a gedcom.

Contact the National Cemetary, they will send you picture of his headstone and the dates of his military career,the dates of his birth and death and his survivors, then you can get his military records from the St Louis Depository - if you don't know the name and address of the National Cemetary, send me the name of the cemetary and I can get the address for you - I just did the same thing for my brother-in-law and we didn't even know which cemetary he was buried in, just that it was around Pensacola, Florida - all the info we got was awesome. sorry, I see that you listed the name of the cemetary - the address is Rock Island National Cemetary, P. O. Box 737, Rock Island Arsenal, Ill. 61299, telephone (U.S.) 309-782-2094 - also if you can find him on the SSDI, you can get a copy of his original SS Card application for $7.00 which will list his parents and where he worked at the time - the Chicago Tribune has a web site, they may be able to get you an obit, if not, let me know, my library has some old Chicago Trib papers, I can look. Congratulations! delilah evans alabama At 19:50 1/16/00 +0100, you wrote: >Thank you, all of you, that responded for my request for help in finding Gus >Moose, who disappeared so many years ago. I have found him, buried in the >National Cemetery at Rock Island in Illinois. > >I don't know how many times I've typed in his name on all the various search >engines at genealogy sites and come up empty handed. It has been so very >frustrating. But the general advice to me was first of all, not to give up >(that was nice to hear!), and to concentrate on that one thread of a clue I >had from the obituary notice of his brother, that old Gus was living in >Chicago in 1917. The next time I went to an Illinois site, I found him. It >took all of two minutes!! > >Now that I know which plot Gustavus Bernard Moose is buried in, what should >I do next? Contact the cemetery for headstone information? Or shall I try to >contact someone living in Illinois and ask them to look for his headstone? >Forgive my ignorance, I'm still learning. > >Thanks again, everyone. One brick wall less!!! >Johanna Moose in Holland > > > > >

Thank you, all of you, that responded for my request for help in finding Gus Moose, who disappeared so many years ago. I have found him, buried in the National Cemetery at Rock Island in Illinois. I don't know how many times I've typed in his name on all the various search engines at genealogy sites and come up empty handed. It has been so very frustrating. But the general advice to me was first of all, not to give up (that was nice to hear!), and to concentrate on that one thread of a clue I had from the obituary notice of his brother, that old Gus was living in Chicago in 1917. The next time I went to an Illinois site, I found him. It took all of two minutes!! Now that I know which plot Gustavus Bernard Moose is buried in, what should I do next? Contact the cemetery for headstone information? Or shall I try to contact someone living in Illinois and ask them to look for his headstone? Forgive my ignorance, I'm still learning. Thanks again, everyone. One brick wall less!!! Johanna Moose in Holland

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Have you gotten your father's birth certificate That would tell you how old your grandfather was at that time and where he was born. Live Long and Prosper Gloria http://community.webtv.net/airol/GloriasPlace

If Gus Moose did as my father did and changed his name, he's practically untraceable. In my case he relented in his later years and told his then-current wife his real name and that his father was in the sciences. She told one of earlier children later still, after his death, they looked up their grandfather in Who's Who and started tracing him. Eventually they got to me, their half-brother, and a source of information about their real family line. Without the credible clue as to the family name, they would never have found me. I would never in a million years have found them. Good luck.

Would'nt have been pretty easy to start a new family. What I don't understand what kind of person would just leave their children and never speak to them again. Iknow that there are plenty.(how sad). My grandfather did the same thing it was 1952 daddy was six. I guess I have always wondered like you did he have another family and just why? Growing up I asked granny bout him she siad he was a low doen no good SOB and told me to never bring him up again. I Never did. My dad and hi sister dont know his family's names or any of that I know that he was from Detroit and my dad and us all were like 30 miles away from detroit. The ssdi show 3 walters that could be him, but I don't know how old he was when daddy was born. I really just want to know who his parents are, to know whether or not he had another family my just cause our family pain! I think that in the early 1900's it would have been very easy to change your indenty. good luck solving your mysterys, maybe if when researching we could keep the other lost family in mind since no one is sure which state they were in once they decided to disappear. Mine is Walter Miller b. between 1900 and my grandmother was born in 1922. it is possible that he was an older man. Sarah BOBBY KING wrote: > Johanna, > The truth about your grandfather is that some in his family probably did > know how to keep in touch with him but it was such a stigma in those days > for someone to abandon his/her children, it was usually kept quiet from > friends, neighbors, and unfortunately, other family members. My grandfather > , George Holloman from Northampton Co., NC abandoned his family about 1926. > He tried to hide the fact from his immediate family by telling his wife and > children he was going to move them to another state in order to secure a > better job. He packed his wife, and four small children in an old car, took > them to another state, and abandoned them in a room he rented for them. He > left them without food or money and went off with another woman. His family > totally disowned him when they heard. We have never been able to get any > info about him, but I have just found out lately a few of his family did > know and keep up with him, but they would never tell his wife nor his > children anything of him. We don't know when he died, where he is buried, > if he ever had more children, etc. We also want to find out about him. I > am sure that there are pieces of the story somewhere out there, and some > record of some kind is left. You had a clue that it was possible he was in > Chicago. Start there. I had a clue my grandfather was seen in 1960 in > Murfreesboro, NC. I am in the process of searching all records for > Murfreesboro. all rest homes, the cemeteries, etc. It will take some time, > but you will probably find a little something about him. Good luck! Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J.Moose <jmoose@hetnet.nl> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 5:19 PM > Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Missing Moose > > > Gustav (or Gus) Moose just disappeared one day from his home in > Valparaiso, > > Indiana in about 1910 and left behind him a wife with 3 children. The > story > > is that he abandoned them, but unfortunately no one knows the whole story. > > This is about all I know about my great grandfather. > > > > My question is: how do I go about locating somebody who just up and went? > > I've already searched the social security death index, and the LDS indexes > > to no avail. Who knows, he could have gone off and started a new family. > In > > those days, a person could disappear more easily and start over. That's > why > > I would imagine he'd have continued using his same name. > > > > The only clue I have is that his name is mentioned in his brother's > obituary > > in 1917 as residing in Chicago. The family must have had some contact with > > him, if only to let him know when to show up for a funeral. > > > > Any ideas are welcome. I'd really like to find out the real story.... > > > > Johanna Moose > > jmoose@hetnet.nl > > > >

Johanna, The truth about your grandfather is that some in his family probably did know how to keep in touch with him but it was such a stigma in those days for someone to abandon his/her children, it was usually kept quiet from friends, neighbors, and unfortunately, other family members. My grandfather , George Holloman from Northampton Co., NC abandoned his family about 1926. He tried to hide the fact from his immediate family by telling his wife and children he was going to move them to another state in order to secure a better job. He packed his wife, and four small children in an old car, took them to another state, and abandoned them in a room he rented for them. He left them without food or money and went off with another woman. His family totally disowned him when they heard. We have never been able to get any info about him, but I have just found out lately a few of his family did know and keep up with him, but they would never tell his wife nor his children anything of him. We don't know when he died, where he is buried, if he ever had more children, etc. We also want to find out about him. I am sure that there are pieces of the story somewhere out there, and some record of some kind is left. You had a clue that it was possible he was in Chicago. Start there. I had a clue my grandfather was seen in 1960 in Murfreesboro, NC. I am in the process of searching all records for Murfreesboro. all rest homes, the cemeteries, etc. It will take some time, but you will probably find a little something about him. Good luck! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: J.Moose <jmoose@hetnet.nl> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 5:19 PM Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Missing Moose > Gustav (or Gus) Moose just disappeared one day from his home in Valparaiso, > Indiana in about 1910 and left behind him a wife with 3 children. The story > is that he abandoned them, but unfortunately no one knows the whole story. > This is about all I know about my great grandfather. > > My question is: how do I go about locating somebody who just up and went? > I've already searched the social security death index, and the LDS indexes > to no avail. Who knows, he could have gone off and started a new family. In > those days, a person could disappear more easily and start over. That's why > I would imagine he'd have continued using his same name. > > The only clue I have is that his name is mentioned in his brother's obituary > in 1917 as residing in Chicago. The family must have had some contact with > him, if only to let him know when to show up for a funeral. > > Any ideas are welcome. I'd really like to find out the real story.... > > Johanna Moose > jmoose@hetnet.nl > >

Gustav (or Gus) Moose just disappeared one day from his home in Valparaiso, Indiana in about 1910 and left behind him a wife with 3 children. The story is that he abandoned them, but unfortunately no one knows the whole story. This is about all I know about my great grandfather. My question is: how do I go about locating somebody who just up and went? I've already searched the social security death index, and the LDS indexes to no avail. Who knows, he could have gone off and started a new family. In those days, a person could disappear more easily and start over. That's why I would imagine he'd have continued using his same name. The only clue I have is that his name is mentioned in his brother's obituary in 1917 as residing in Chicago. The family must have had some contact with him, if only to let him know when to show up for a funeral. Any ideas are welcome. I'd really like to find out the real story.... Johanna Moose jmoose@hetnet.nl

Hi Ruth, What Switzers and Yates are you researching? I have both in my family. Diana in AL -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Miller <tigereye@nwt.net.au> To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:42 PM Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] Old family mystery >Thanks Jennifer, Gail, Theresa ... I guess I was feeling a bit left-out >with all these US mysteries being solved! But I also know my mystery's a >difficult one and I guess I have to face it that it may never be solved. >However any advice on how I might proceed would be very much appreciated. > >This mystery has been spoken of in the family for a long time. My 2g >grandmother ran away from home in England aged 14. My grandmother told me >she forged her parents' signatures on the documents to apply for assisted >passage to New South Wales in 1849, that she met two brothers (aged 15 and >18) on the ship, fell in love with one, but on arrival, married the other >(older) brother ... maybe because she was getting practical about it. >Getting married was probably about all she could do, and the younger >brother was probably too young. > >After a bit of searching I eventually found their ship (the Petrel) and >entry into Australia. The brothers (Richard and Frederick PEET) had put >their ages up to 19 and 16, and Ellen DAVY (or DAVEY) had stated her age as >18. It turns out the two brothers were also running away from home, and >their well-to-do silk manufacturing family never spoke to them again. Ellen >was still 14 when she married Richard (by banns) only three months after >arriving. The NSW gold rush followed shortly after, and Richard and Ellen >made their fortune by making and selling "gold cradles" for panning old, >later moving to the recently-established town of Maitland, north of Sydney, >where they raised their 10 surviving (out of 14) children and Richard >worked as a joiner. It seems they would have dearly loved to have been >accepted back into the family fold but never were. As for poor Fred, I >would love to know if he had a broken heart (but never will). I recently >found his death and burial details and it seems he died in Sydney Infirmary >at the tender age of 27 of "lung disease". He does not seem to have >married, and although other family members were in NSW by then, he seems to >have died a lonely death with no family to comfort him. Tragic ... anyway I >digress. > >Further digging has revealed that Ellen DAVY said she came from Exeter, >Devon, and that she said her parents' names were George and Sarah DAVEY (or >DAVY). Her birth date is written in family records as 8 Apr 1835 ... but >her husband Richard PEET's birthday seems to be the same (8 April - but in >1831). > >She probably WAS from Devon (my grandmother would have noticed an >inconsistent accent), but I tend to think there's a possibility much of the >other information she gave (surname, birth date, parents' names, even >Exeter) could be false ... but then again maybe not. In the IGI I can find >no George and Sarah DAVEY/DAVY as parents of an Ellen anywhere in England. >There was a George DAVY who married Sarah HERN in Tiverton, Devon in Feb >1828. The IGI may be incomplete for Devon though. Anyone know where >Tiverton is? > >The other strange thing is that Richard and Ellen named their first >surviving child John Edleston PEET. This name Edleston (with a spelling >variation) is used again in the next generation for Bernard Eddleston DREW. >This name is obviously a family name ... but whose family - Richard's or >Ellen's? There seems to be no mention of the name in the PEET family prior >to this, and I cannot find any link the PEETs may have with this name. I've >done lots of searching looking for Ellen as a possible EDDLESTON but with >no luck. The geography's wrong anyway ... most EDDLESTONs seem to hail from >Lancashire area ... I don't think it's very common in Devon. This is closer >to where the PEETs came from (Derby, with connections in Nottingham, >Birmingham, Manchester and London). > >The family will probably never know Ellen's reasons for running away >(although we'd very much like to). However I haven't totally given up on >trying to seek out her origins. I suppose I should assume she was telling >the truth and investigate that first, although so far that's got me >nowhere. Anyone got any ideas on how to proceed? > >Any comments or advice will be gratefully received! > >Thanks, >Ruth > > >Researching: DREW PEET (PEAT) DAVEY (DAVY) MILLER WILLIAMS WEDLAKE >THOMAS EDLESTON (EDDLESTON) NORMAN ALLEN MANNING BARRYMORE (BLYTH) >BARTLETT YATES MILLS FERGUSON CORNEY HANCOCK DARE DOUPE SWITZER >FARRELL PRATE (PRATT) MOYNAHAN (MONAHAN) ODELL QUIN LANGAN LANGLEY >GOGGIN RADLEY SYMONS VICKERY YELLAND TOWNSEND HUGHES > > >

It is possible for a woman to have hemophilia just not very common. If a woman is a carrier of hemophilia and she marries a man with hemophilia, half of her daughters could be expected to have hemophilia. Nancy Custer -----Original Message----- From: Sli1031@aol.com [mailto:Sli1031@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:45 AM To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES] hemophilia Women are carries....only men get the actual disease....

Bleeding immediately following childbirth certainly seems a likely cause of death. Lori MelissaTtl@aol.com wrote: > I just wanted to mention one other thing...I remember being told by a > professor that women who have hemophilia usually die in adolescence due to > the onset of their menstrual cycles. I don't know if that is true, but it > does seem reasonable. Maybe some clotting drugs have changed that now... :) > Melissa