Hi, I love reading all the mail..I too have a mystery..Doctor Martin D. Mooney (born 15 Jun 1813)lived in WV..Married Amelia Jones(26 Jan 1833)..Had five children...Got kicked out of the church(Aug of 1847), his Father died(1844)...THEN he disappeared!!!! In 1850 , a Doctor Martin D. Mooney and wife Sara A. were in Liberty county Ga.census (his age 36).He died in Tattnall county Ga.(11 March 1897) Buried in Taylors Creek Cem.Hinesville, Ga. Is this the same doctor? I sure would like some HELP!! Betty Mooney Smith

What birthplace did he give in the census records? Nancy -----Original Message----- From: betty mooney smith [mailto:redgate35@clds.net] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:18 AM To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: "new to List" Hi, I love reading all the mail..I too have a mystery..Doctor Martin D. Mooney (born 15 Jun 1813)lived in WV..Married Amelia Jones(26 Jan 1833)..Had five children...Got kicked out of the church(Aug of 1847), his Father died(1844)...THEN he disappeared!!!! In 1850 , a Doctor Martin D. Mooney and wife Sara A. were in Liberty county Ga.census (his age 36).He died in Tattnall county Ga.(11 March 1897) Buried in Taylors Creek Cem.Hinesville, Ga. Is this the same doctor? I sure would like some HELP!! Betty Mooney Smith ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

These are the key players in my murder mystery / missing person. John Williford : b. ca. 1772 ( shooting committed Jan 21, 1795) Josiah Worrell (murdered man)(died of his wound on Jan. 23,1795) Elizabeth "Betty" Pope ( mother of John Willifords child) Jacob Turner ( witness and affidavit given) ( Constable of Southampton,VA.) Benjamin Worrell Jr. ( witness and affidavit given) Simon Pope ( believed brother of Betty Pope, witness and affidavit given) Benjamin Blunt ( J.P. of Southampton signer of the three affidavit's) William Newton ( brother in law of Josiah Worrell, where Josiah was taken after being shot and later died in his home from his gun shot wound) Affidavit's signed and witnesses on Jan. 27,1995 before Ben. Blunt, J.P. Sent to the Governor of the state of VA. Feb.. 11,1795 (rec,Copy from) "Calendar of Virginia State Papers Vo. VII 1794-1795 pages 432-435. Margrett

Margaret, I have a similar story but not so many details. I have been searching the name (Dorsey) that my gggrandfather was supposed to have used before the "unfortunate" incident which caused him to run away from Walhalla, SC to Cumberland County, TN and change his name to Harvey Kelley. I am posting everywhere for Dorsey/Kelley connections. So far only an intriguing web of relationships has emerged. I keep looking at all of my data with the feeling that there is something there just beyond my grasp. Even if I don't find a Dorsey in my family tree, I probably know enough about them to write a book by now. Good luck, Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Margrett McCorkle [mailto:mmccorkle@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:11 PM To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: "Thanks to all" Thank you all for the kind invite: This is my Mystery: Of course it started with my Genealogy research. In tracing my mother's family line I went back to my g-grandfather Asbury Allison Mann b. 1852 place unknown. he married Susan Deer b. 1860. Married 12-1878 in Saline Twp. AR. They raised 11 children in AR. and all is well on down the line. But nothing beyond him.While talking to an elderly uncle he said he'd tell me a secret but I was not to tell anyone and not to tell my elderly mother as she did not know about it. That the Mann's were not always MANN, that they were once WILLIFORD. The reason for the name being changed was that either Asbury "Berry's" father or grandfather had committed a murder, had ran and escaped the law and changed his name to Mann. The name was John Williford, I went to work and in a little less then a year I found a John Williford b. ca. 1772 around Southampton, VA. I obtained court records dated February 11, 1795 in which the murder is described and Affidavits from three witnesses describe the events. He had fathered an illegitimate child ( sec. rape) and the courts issued a warrant, for his arrest, when the officials came to his home he shot a man by the name of Josiah Worrell, who died three days later of the wound. He made his escape and was last heard about was ninety miles away toward the state of S. Carolina. To my findings he was not ever captured or heard of since. (He could be my lost John Williford ancestor). I have not learned anymore about this person, he was suppose to be a school teacher. was ca. 23 years old at the time. and 5' 10" fair, brown hair and gray/blue eyed. How and where can I find out about this lost person. did he go to Mann relations, Did he go eventually to AR. or just his children and grandchildren. Did he work as a school teacher under a new name? I have looked for Willifords (and the story) I have looked for Josiah Worell (and the story) I have looked for the Woman "Elizabeth "betty" Pope Her br. or father Simon Pope. and the others in the papers, to no result. Don't know where to go next: Margrett ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. ============================== Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19

This would help a great deal if we knew this John Williford was the one that committed the murder in 1795. in Southampton. But if he is not then it is still not known if he was ever caught, or if he became my Mann ancestor. Thank you for the reply , odd to have two John Williford's in the same area at the same time. Is there any other info on this John, like age? The John I wrote about may have did the Murder in Southampton but may not have been from there. So many possibilities. Margrett ----- Original Message ----- From: RLee Kline <rleem@totcon.com> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 04:29 AM Subject: Re: "Thanks to all" > Virginia > Southampton County > > Williford, John married Williford, Sarah on 04 Mar 1799 in Southampton > County, Virginia > > does this help any? > RLee in FL. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fred and Donna Wiedeburg <fourwieds@uswest.net> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: "Thanks to all" > > > > Margrett, > > I don't know if this will help or not but all Church of Jesus Christ of > > Latter Day Saints have a "family history center". These places are free > of > > charge to use. They have tons of archives. They can order census records > > for any time period. They do charge $3.00 for the census to be ordered. > > They have tons of books, microfilms of old newspapers, etc. Hopefully, if > > you know the time frame you can get a hold of that paper. Hope this helps > > you! > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Margrett McCorkle <mmccorkle@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:10 PM > > Subject: "Thanks to all" > > > > > > > Thank you all for the kind invite: This is my Mystery: > > > Of course it started with my Genealogy research. In tracing my > > mother's > > > family line I went back to my g-grandfather Asbury Allison Mann b. 1852 > > > place unknown. he married Susan Deer b. 1860. Married 12-1878 in Saline > > Twp. > > > AR. They raised 11 children in AR. and all is well on down the line. > > > But nothing beyond him.While talking to an elderly uncle he said > he'd > > > tell me a secret but I was not to tell anyone and not to tell my elderly > > > mother as she did not know about it. > > > That the Mann's were not always MANN, that they were once WILLIFORD. > > The > > > reason for the name being changed was that either Asbury > > > "Berry's" father or grandfather had committed a murder, had ran and > > escaped > > > the law and changed his name to Mann. > > > The name was John Williford, I went to work and in a little less > then > > a > > > year I found a John Williford b. ca. 1772 around Southampton, VA. > > > I obtained court records dated February 11, 1795 in which the murder is > > > described and Affidavits from three witnesses describe the events. He > had > > > fathered an illegitimate child ( sec. rape) and the courts issued a > > warrant, > > > for his arrest, when the officials came to his home he shot a man by the > > > name of Josiah Worrell, who died three days later of the wound. He made > > his > > > escape and was last heard about was ninety miles away toward the state > of > > S. > > > Carolina. > > > To my findings he was not ever captured or heard of since. (He could > > be > > > my lost John Williford ancestor). I have not learned anymore about this > > > person, he was suppose to be a school teacher. was ca. 23 years old at > the > > > time. and 5' 10" fair, brown hair and gray/blue eyed. > > > How and where can I find out about this lost person. did he go to > Mann > > > relations, Did he go eventually to AR. or just his children and > > > grandchildren. > > > Did he work as a school teacher under a new name? > > > I have looked for Willifords (and the story) > > > I have looked for Josiah Worell (and the story) > > > I have looked for the Woman "Elizabeth "betty" Pope > > > Her br. or father Simon Pope. > > > and the others in the papers, to no result. > > > Don't know where to go next: > > > Margrett > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Free Web space. 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Margrett What type of Vitals do you have on him? Death Certificate, Mariage License, Business License, Etc.???? Do any of these give any Clues as to where he lived, worked after this name change. Also, did you write to the Local Historical Society to see what they might have available. Since they married young in the "old days" it might be that he also had a son with the Given name of John. Trying to Think What you could Do Pat

Virginia Southampton County Williford, John married Williford, Sarah on 04 Mar 1799 in Southampton County, Virginia does this help any? RLee in FL. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred and Donna Wiedeburg <fourwieds@uswest.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 11:50 PM Subject: Re: "Thanks to all" > Margrett, > I don't know if this will help or not but all Church of Jesus Christ of > Latter Day Saints have a "family history center". These places are free of > charge to use. They have tons of archives. They can order census records > for any time period. They do charge $3.00 for the census to be ordered. > They have tons of books, microfilms of old newspapers, etc. Hopefully, if > you know the time frame you can get a hold of that paper. Hope this helps > you! > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margrett McCorkle <mmccorkle@worldnet.att.net> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:10 PM > Subject: "Thanks to all" > > > > Thank you all for the kind invite: This is my Mystery: > > Of course it started with my Genealogy research. In tracing my > mother's > > family line I went back to my g-grandfather Asbury Allison Mann b. 1852 > > place unknown. he married Susan Deer b. 1860. Married 12-1878 in Saline > Twp. > > AR. They raised 11 children in AR. and all is well on down the line. > > But nothing beyond him.While talking to an elderly uncle he said he'd > > tell me a secret but I was not to tell anyone and not to tell my elderly > > mother as she did not know about it. > > That the Mann's were not always MANN, that they were once WILLIFORD. > The > > reason for the name being changed was that either Asbury > > "Berry's" father or grandfather had committed a murder, had ran and > escaped > > the law and changed his name to Mann. > > The name was John Williford, I went to work and in a little less then > a > > year I found a John Williford b. ca. 1772 around Southampton, VA. > > I obtained court records dated February 11, 1795 in which the murder is > > described and Affidavits from three witnesses describe the events. He had > > fathered an illegitimate child ( sec. rape) and the courts issued a > warrant, > > for his arrest, when the officials came to his home he shot a man by the > > name of Josiah Worrell, who died three days later of the wound. He made > his > > escape and was last heard about was ninety miles away toward the state of > S. > > Carolina. > > To my findings he was not ever captured or heard of since. (He could > be > > my lost John Williford ancestor). I have not learned anymore about this > > person, he was suppose to be a school teacher. was ca. 23 years old at the > > time. and 5' 10" fair, brown hair and gray/blue eyed. > > How and where can I find out about this lost person. did he go to Mann > > relations, Did he go eventually to AR. or just his children and > > grandchildren. > > Did he work as a school teacher under a new name? > > I have looked for Willifords (and the story) > > I have looked for Josiah Worell (and the story) > > I have looked for the Woman "Elizabeth "betty" Pope > > Her br. or father Simon Pope. > > and the others in the papers, to no result. > > Don't know where to go next: > > Margrett > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 >

delilah, How would I get a birth certificate of a person who is alive? I don't know if you heard my story or not yet, I am trying to find my biological father's other children. My father was born and died in Ohio. I have all HIS information but, do not have anything on his children who are quite a bit older than myself. Any ideas? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" or > something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original > application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his age, > lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and > you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his > death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his birth > cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an > amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to send > for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can > give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death > cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and > probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the zip > code of the residence. > delilah > > > > > At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go > about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does > anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? > >Lee REESE > >SSN 275-20-9296 > >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA > >Born 4 Feb 1894 > >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > > > >Thanks for your help, > >Julie > > > >-- > >Julie Reese Bookser > >jrbookse@home.com > >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > > > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > >============================== > >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > >

Margrett, I don't know if this will help or not but all Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have a "family history center". These places are free of charge to use. They have tons of archives. They can order census records for any time period. They do charge $3.00 for the census to be ordered. They have tons of books, microfilms of old newspapers, etc. Hopefully, if you know the time frame you can get a hold of that paper. Hope this helps you! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Margrett McCorkle <mmccorkle@worldnet.att.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:10 PM Subject: "Thanks to all" > Thank you all for the kind invite: This is my Mystery: > Of course it started with my Genealogy research. In tracing my mother's > family line I went back to my g-grandfather Asbury Allison Mann b. 1852 > place unknown. he married Susan Deer b. 1860. Married 12-1878 in Saline Twp. > AR. They raised 11 children in AR. and all is well on down the line. > But nothing beyond him.While talking to an elderly uncle he said he'd > tell me a secret but I was not to tell anyone and not to tell my elderly > mother as she did not know about it. > That the Mann's were not always MANN, that they were once WILLIFORD. The > reason for the name being changed was that either Asbury > "Berry's" father or grandfather had committed a murder, had ran and escaped > the law and changed his name to Mann. > The name was John Williford, I went to work and in a little less then a > year I found a John Williford b. ca. 1772 around Southampton, VA. > I obtained court records dated February 11, 1795 in which the murder is > described and Affidavits from three witnesses describe the events. He had > fathered an illegitimate child ( sec. rape) and the courts issued a warrant, > for his arrest, when the officials came to his home he shot a man by the > name of Josiah Worrell, who died three days later of the wound. He made his > escape and was last heard about was ninety miles away toward the state of S. > Carolina. > To my findings he was not ever captured or heard of since. (He could be > my lost John Williford ancestor). I have not learned anymore about this > person, he was suppose to be a school teacher. was ca. 23 years old at the > time. and 5' 10" fair, brown hair and gray/blue eyed. > How and where can I find out about this lost person. did he go to Mann > relations, Did he go eventually to AR. or just his children and > grandchildren. > Did he work as a school teacher under a new name? > I have looked for Willifords (and the story) > I have looked for Josiah Worell (and the story) > I have looked for the Woman "Elizabeth "betty" Pope > Her br. or father Simon Pope. > and the others in the papers, to no result. > Don't know where to go next: > Margrett > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > >

Thanks for your reply. It seems she covered her tracks pretty well, but I won't give up. I know she had to have left a paper trail somewhere along the line. Miriam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubbles" <Bubbles@kvenn.freeserve.co.uk> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Finding Grandma's Family > incredible - to leave a child tied into a high chair!!! Hope you find her!! > Bubbles from Robin Hood Country. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MIRIAM MASON <mim@kih.net> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:28 AM > Subject: Finding Grandma's Family > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > >

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Thank you all for the kind invite: This is my Mystery: Of course it started with my Genealogy research. In tracing my mother's family line I went back to my g-grandfather Asbury Allison Mann b. 1852 place unknown. he married Susan Deer b. 1860. Married 12-1878 in Saline Twp. AR. They raised 11 children in AR. and all is well on down the line. But nothing beyond him.While talking to an elderly uncle he said he'd tell me a secret but I was not to tell anyone and not to tell my elderly mother as she did not know about it. That the Mann's were not always MANN, that they were once WILLIFORD. The reason for the name being changed was that either Asbury "Berry's" father or grandfather had committed a murder, had ran and escaped the law and changed his name to Mann. The name was John Williford, I went to work and in a little less then a year I found a John Williford b. ca. 1772 around Southampton, VA. I obtained court records dated February 11, 1795 in which the murder is described and Affidavits from three witnesses describe the events. He had fathered an illegitimate child ( sec. rape) and the courts issued a warrant, for his arrest, when the officials came to his home he shot a man by the name of Josiah Worrell, who died three days later of the wound. He made his escape and was last heard about was ninety miles away toward the state of S. Carolina. To my findings he was not ever captured or heard of since. (He could be my lost John Williford ancestor). I have not learned anymore about this person, he was suppose to be a school teacher. was ca. 23 years old at the time. and 5' 10" fair, brown hair and gray/blue eyed. How and where can I find out about this lost person. did he go to Mann relations, Did he go eventually to AR. or just his children and grandchildren. Did he work as a school teacher under a new name? I have looked for Willifords (and the story) I have looked for Josiah Worell (and the story) I have looked for the Woman "Elizabeth "betty" Pope Her br. or father Simon Pope. and the others in the papers, to no result. Don't know where to go next: Margrett

Julie, Here's ther information for getting a copy of the Death Certificate. When i requested certificates i wrote a short note requesting uncertified copies for genealogical purposes. They actually were pretty quick too. Hope this helps. What County do you need an obit from? I live in Springfield(Clark Co.) Ohio and if it is from Clark,Green,Madison, Champaign i should be able to get it for you. Faith Public Records Request (Uncertified Copies) The Ohio Dept. of Health houses only the records of people born, married, divorced or deceased in Ohio. If the event did not occur in Ohio, contact the vital statistics office where it occured. Uncertified copies of vital records have no certification message or signature and may not be used as an official document. These types of copies are used for medical or genealogical research. Fee's for these records are 3 cents per copy, plus postage costs. To request public records from the Ohio Dept. of Health's Vital Statistics Unit, mail a letter to the address below: Ohio Dept.of Health Vital Statistics Unit P.O. Box 15098 Columbus, Ohio 43215-0098

I hope for the best for you Julie, but, I am always leery of 'sudden help'. My own experience has taught me that the promise of help can come with even more and complex lies, and an even wider web of spiders. All the best regardless, Sharon P. Julie Campbell-Peters wrote: > > Listers, > where all you all? > > For those of you who don't remember my mystery, or for those interested, > search for Cadger in the archives. address below. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L/2000-06/maillist.html > > For those of you who followed my mystery, I told you my mother had some > old letters I wanted. I have been waiting now for a year for her to send > me copies of the letters. A month ago we got into an argument because > she hadn't done anything about it. She hung the phone up on me. I didn't > call back until this past Sunday to wish my stepfather a Happy Father's > Day. > > I guess she felt bad about the argument because she told me she found a > letter from 1983 from grandmother Ethel's cousin, Lizzie, in Scotland. > The letter had a return address on it. She said the address was no good > as it was old and they had moved from that address. I snapped at it, > "I'll take it anyway, I said". This is the carrot she has being dangling > (verbally) in front of me for a couple of years. The letter she said she > had, then said she probably threw out. > Now that I had the address and surname spelling I checked a web map and > posted to the appropriate board. I asked for info to the present family. > > The very next day a gentleman wrote to me to tell me Lizzie & husband > had passed away. > I didn't think they would still be alive. > He also told me he had informed Lizzie's son of my query, sent me his > address and said the son would answer any letter that I send. > > Another lady wrote to tell me she went to school with the Lizzie's > granddaughter's husband. > This nice lady called the granddaughter (long distance) to tell her I > was > looking for them. > The cousin wanted my address and phone number, so I emailed it to the > nice lady and she will forward it to the granddaughter. > > I am hoping Lizzie's son might be able to give me some clues as to the > origins of David Brown and Margaret MacDonald. I don't even no exactly > how Ethel is connected to this family of 'cousins'. > > Here are a couple of whammies. The granddaughters oldest daughter is > just > starting out to do her family tree and now I have to tell them, if they > are not aware of it, that Margaret was not Ethel's biological mother. > > Yesterday my mother called to tell me she was going to go and finalize > her funeral arrangements and asked me if I thought she should give the > funeral director her mother Ethel's legitimate birth name of Cadger. > (You know they always ask who the parents of the deceased were.) > I said "don't you think the cover-up has gone on long enough, tell the > truth!" > I asked her if when she arranged Ethel's funeral, what birth name did > she > use for Ethel. > She said she gave Margaret MacDonald as Ethel's mother. I asked, "Why > didn't you use the name of Ethel's real mother?". "Oh I don't know", is > what she said. See, she knew the truth and buried her mother under a > lie! > After all the secrets and lies she still can't bear to part with the > truth! > > I told her I was going to try and have Ethel's death record amended, but > I would need a copy of the birth record. > I can do that, can't I?? > > After she gave me the address, I told her that If I could ever get this > lineage put together, it would make a nice gift for the newly found > cousins (see Cadger Mystery), because those cousins never knew their > family. > I told my mother that one day the cousin's children may start to ask > about their ancestors and unless I do something now, they may never know > the truth. I know some, they no almost nothing. > > Well folks, now my mother has promised to send me the old letters by > FedEx next week, and she has called me several times since I told her I > have a contact to Ethel's cousins in Scotland, and guess what? > Now she is trying to be helpful. > > I am happy as all get out that I'm getting somewhere, that's for sure. > But I sure am ##$$%^%$$ that I could have gotten there a lot sooner!!! > > By the way, I still have not told my mother that I have found the > birth dates & places of origin for her grandmother, g/grandmother, and > g/g/grandparents. When > those letters arrive by FedEx and she starts to remember things, then I > will tell her, but not until then. Awww, maybe I won't tell her! I'll > have to think on it awhile :). > > I'll let you all know what happens. > Good Luck to all of you, > Julie > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" or something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his age, lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his birth cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to send for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the zip code of the residence. delilah At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? >Lee REESE >SSN 275-20-9296 >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA >Born 4 Feb 1894 >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > >Thanks for your help, >Julie > >-- >Julie Reese Bookser >jrbookse@home.com >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > >============================== >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > >

Hi, I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? Lee REESE SSN 275-20-9296 Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA Born 4 Feb 1894 Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) Thanks for your help, Julie -- Julie Reese Bookser jrbookse@home.com http://members.home.com/jrbookse

unsubscribe GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 203 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: Widmark etc. ["Beate Hauer" <beatehauer@hotmail.] > #2 Re: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-D Diges ["Fred and Donna Wiedeburg" <fourwi] > #3 Re: family health tree ["wayne susquehanna" <dickey.pa@dra] > #4 Re: family health tree ["wayne susquehanna" <dickey.pa@dra] > #5 Where and Why [Annie2ws@aol.com] > #6 Re: Finding Grandma's Family ["Bubbles" <Bubbles@kvenn.freeserve] > #7 "new to List" ["Margrett McCorkle" <mmccorkle@wor] > #8 RE: "new to List" ["Pat :@)" <patwhite@sprynet.com>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-D, send a message to > > GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. 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Thanks. Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Woodyqltr@aol.com> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-D Digest V00 #200 > > > To Pat, do you live near a library that has internet access? Our library > has > > a cd with telephone listings for the whole country. Of course, unlisted > > numbers are not included. 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Hope you find her!! > Bubbles from Robin Hood Country. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MIRIAM MASON <mim@kih.net> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:28 AM > Subject: Finding Grandma's Family > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: "new to List" > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:51:23 -0700 > From: "Margrett McCorkle" <mmccorkle@worldnet.att.net> > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello, > I subscribed to the list and have been waiting for some postings to see > what we can and cannot post here but so far haven't see much. I kind of > wanted to see what others were saying to fit my mystery into. > Is there some ground rules as to the postings? and if so what are they? > I have a murder mystery, involving an ancestor. > Margrett > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: "new to List" > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:17:41 -0700 > From: "Pat :@)" <patwhite@sprynet.com> > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Sounds interesting Margrett. The only rules on the welcome message was 'no > flaming'. Go for it~!! Let's get this mystery on the table~!! > pat :@) > > Hello, > I subscribed to the list and have been waiting for some postings to see > what we can and cannot post here but so far haven't see much. I kind of > wanted to see what others were saying to fit my mystery into. > Is there some ground rules as to the postings? and if so what are they? > I have a murder mystery, involving an ancestor. > Margrett ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________

Sounds interesting Margrett. The only rules on the welcome message was 'no flaming'. Go for it~!! Let's get this mystery on the table~!! pat :@) Hello, I subscribed to the list and have been waiting for some postings to see what we can and cannot post here but so far haven't see much. I kind of wanted to see what others were saying to fit my mystery into. Is there some ground rules as to the postings? and if so what are they? I have a murder mystery, involving an ancestor. Margrett

Hi Margrett. Just tell us what it is. Usually people write several paragraphs; the postings are longer on this list. Lori Margrett McCorkle wrote: > Hello, > I subscribed to the list and have been waiting for some postings to see > what we can and cannot post here but so far haven't see much. I kind of > wanted to see what others were saying to fit my mystery into. > Is there some ground rules as to the postings? and if so what are they? > I have a murder mystery, involving an ancestor. > Margrett > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19

Hello, I subscribed to the list and have been waiting for some postings to see what we can and cannot post here but so far haven't see much. I kind of wanted to see what others were saying to fit my mystery into. Is there some ground rules as to the postings? and if so what are they? I have a murder mystery, involving an ancestor. Margrett