Pat Thank you for your reply. What I hope to find about my grandmother is why she was in Illinois at such an early age,and who she was with at the time. When she married my grandfather she apparently was in Illinois without the remainder of her immediate family. I have found her family on the 1910 census in KY., she however was not with them. When she left my father and grandfather, she left with another man. She left my father tied up all day in a highchair. My grandfather was a loving and good man. She on the other hand was another story. The only thing that ever slowed her down was severe Rheumatoid Arthritis. My father had a forgiving spirit and was later reunited with her. Her last husband was John V. Walker. He died in St. Louis in 1955, she in 1964. She had two sisters and I knew both of them, it seems that none of the sisters got along well. In addition to Jennie Strathern, she had a sister Lena Turner who I grew up around. She died in 1968, she had one adopted daughter, who lived in Texas and I have tried to contact her without any response. I as sure that my grandmother was remorseful about her younger years, but she would never discuss her life. Another granddaughter was raised in St. Louis in close proximity to grandma and she knows ever less than I know about her. I have hired a genealogist in Decatur, IL in hopes they can find her trail. I will just keep my fingers crossed. Miriam ----- Original Message ----- From: <PNUTREG@cs.com> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:22 AM Subject: Re: Missing Grandma! > Hi Miriam > > If they lived in Illinois and your Grandmother was from Kentucky, Was there > ever any evidence that she returned home to her Family? Did she ever show up > on a Census Report in Kentucky? I would check both names as she might of > used her maiden name and I think I would check the State not just the Federal > Census if they have one. But the Federal 1910 or 1920 Census may show > something. She might of been living with a Sister, Brother or her Parents. > > Also, I am not familiar with the Laws of these two states, but if they > divorced did you try getting a copy of the divorce papers? This could tell > alot. Did anyone ever say why she left your Father and husband? There is > probably two sides to the story. I am assuming that your Father never saw or > heard from her and probably only knew what his father told him about what > happened. Remember back in that Era many woman were not educated enough to > go out and get a full time paying job and would of been unable to provide for > a child on their own. Also, there were cases of Mental Abuse and many woman > ran away from a bad situation rather than face it. They did not have many > rights at that time and were not even permitted to vote. So if she had been > afraid of going to Court she might of left thinking she had no choice. > > I did find my Grandmother and I think the Story had alot more to it than my > mother was ever told and that is why I am writing to you and showing Interest > in your Story. I too, never knew my Grandmother, But have found out that she > was not a Bad person as some tried to make her out. She was a good, Church > going woman who had 3 children and no means of support. She left 2 of the > children with her mother and tried to make a new life. She took the baby with > her. Then my mother would not go with her, when she got settled. The father > came and took my mother out of the Grandmother's house and then he > disappeared (still don't know what happened to him) and left her with a > orphanage and my mother was the woman who grew up feeling neglected, unwanted > and Bitter. > > Pat > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > >

try getting hold of them again. There is always a slight chance they may have forgotten or maybe they can't afford to call you. Good Luck, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: MIRIAM MASON <mim@kih.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:29 AM Subject: Missing Grandma! > I have entered a post before re: tracing my grandmother Madge Hughes Johnson Beckler Walker. My grandmother b. June 02, 1892 in Mercer Co. KY. m. Elmer F. Johnson around 1908. They lived in Decatur, IL. when my father was born in 1909. She deserted my father while he was still a baby. Since I have entered the initial information, I have found a woman on the Kenton Co., KY list, who knew some of my grandmother's family. This is where the plot thickens. My grandmother had a sister who lived in the Kenton Co.. area. Her name was Jennie Strathern, I had entered a query thinking I might find a relative with info from a family Bible etc. This woman replied to my query stating she knew the family, and at her first response told me for awhile that Jennie's grandaughter had lived with her family, but she didn't remember the circumstances. The responder then told me she would ask her own mother for further information. I heard nothing for weeks, so I wrote her again. This t! > ime she responded that it was a grandson that lived with her family, and she again promised further information. You guessed it, now it has been several weeks and again no response. What is with this family? Sorry for this long letter to you all but I just had to get it off my chest I am just so FRUSTRATED. Thanks for listening. > Miriam Johnson-Mason > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > >

I have entered a post before re: tracing my grandmother Madge Hughes Johnson Beckler Walker. My grandmother b. June 02, 1892 in Mercer Co. KY. m. Elmer F. Johnson around 1908. They lived in Decatur, IL. when my father was born in 1909. She deserted my father while he was still a baby. Since I have entered the initial information, I have found a woman on the Kenton Co., KY list, who knew some of my grandmother's family. This is where the plot thickens. My grandmother had a sister who lived in the Kenton Co.. area. Her name was Jennie Strathern, I had entered a query thinking I might find a relative with info from a family Bible etc. This woman replied to my query stating she knew the family, and at her first response told me for awhile that Jennie's grandaughter had lived with her family, but she didn't remember the circumstances. The responder then told me she would ask her own mother for further information. I heard nothing for weeks, so I wrote her again. This t! ime she responded that it was a grandson that lived with her family, and she again promised further information. You guessed it, now it has been several weeks and again no response. What is with this family? Sorry for this long letter to you all but I just had to get it off my chest I am just so FRUSTRATED. Thanks for listening. Miriam Johnson-Mason

We'll miss your input when you're away Pat. I'm jealous, I want to go to upstate NY too! I have some family history in the Finger Lakes area. But it will have to wait a while yet. It's a long way from Australia. Ruth Pat wrote: >Thank You Ruth > >I have decided to Stay on. After all is said and done. You have helped me >find my lost Cousin and I am still searching for my Disappearing Grandfather. > So I did not really want to leave. However, I will be Leaving for a few >weeks in August and will have to Unsubscribe at that time as I am going north >to Upstate NYS for about 3-4 Weeks. But I hope to pick up when I come back. >Right now I expect to go the last Week of August thru Mid to Late September. >Do not really know How I can take my computer with me as I'll be in too many >places and busy doing some Genealogy Work. > > Pat

Dear Mary, <Big grin> I do enjoy your humour so much! Your brother doesn't know what he's missing out on:) I hope he eventually comes around. I wish I were organised as you ... having a web page for us to refer to your mysteries is very convenient and helpful. Thanks! Ruth ~~~~ (- -) ------------oOOo-(**)-oOOo------------ Mary Stickney wrote: >I wrote my brother a letter. Apologizing for intruding on his life. >And explaining that mom had only wanted to know that he was alright. > > >I also told him that I had took off at 18 also. >And only 2 years ago , had written to Mom after 18 years and told her >why I had left. >I explained to him that I was not chastized for this, and that nobody >made a big deal out of it. >I realize he has been gone since 1976, but we do care about him. >And even though I had not seen him since I was about 9, I still miss >him. >I mean nobody has gotten me down on the ground and farted on me for 30 >years. > > > > > > (o o) >------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------ > >Mary Stickney >International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists (IBSSG) >Proud owner of 6 BlackSheep >1 murderer, 1 bank scammer, 1 Incestuous pedophile, 1 deserter, >1 car thief, 1 forger of government documents - see my mystery below > > >http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=stickneys >http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/ > >my mystery >http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0058photo.htm >l >http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0057photo.htm >l > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > >============================== >Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, >access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM

Hi Miriam If they lived in Illinois and your Grandmother was from Kentucky, Was there ever any evidence that she returned home to her Family? Did she ever show up on a Census Report in Kentucky? I would check both names as she might of used her maiden name and I think I would check the State not just the Federal Census if they have one. But the Federal 1910 or 1920 Census may show something. She might of been living with a Sister, Brother or her Parents. Also, I am not familiar with the Laws of these two states, but if they divorced did you try getting a copy of the divorce papers? This could tell alot. Did anyone ever say why she left your Father and husband? There is probably two sides to the story. I am assuming that your Father never saw or heard from her and probably only knew what his father told him about what happened. Remember back in that Era many woman were not educated enough to go out and get a full time paying job and would of been unable to provide for a child on their own. Also, there were cases of Mental Abuse and many woman ran away from a bad situation rather than face it. They did not have many rights at that time and were not even permitted to vote. So if she had been afraid of going to Court she might of left thinking she had no choice. I did find my Grandmother and I think the Story had alot more to it than my mother was ever told and that is why I am writing to you and showing Interest in your Story. I too, never knew my Grandmother, But have found out that she was not a Bad person as some tried to make her out. She was a good, Church going woman who had 3 children and no means of support. She left 2 of the children with her mother and tried to make a new life. She took the baby with her. Then my mother would not go with her, when she got settled. The father came and took my mother out of the Grandmother's house and then he disappeared (still don't know what happened to him) and left her with a orphanage and my mother was the woman who grew up feeling neglected, unwanted and Bitter. Pat

Sounds like a typical brotherly thing to do. I hope your "good" memories continue to carry you through. It sounds like he has some deeply rooted resentments and misunderstandings. You mentioned that he had spent a lot of time with your father before he died. Maybe he has never gotten over grieving for your Dad. Death and dying can be very confusing and upsetting for children. Unfortunately, they don't have the capabilities to ask for help or know what to do so they often suffer in silence. It does strange things to their minds. Good Luck. God bless.

CAN anyone suggest what else I can do to solve the Myster of this MILLS Family. Timothy S Mills and Ora Jones MILLs had three children. JAMES, Ellen or Thelma? not sure to the name. AND Ray who was born in 1903 in Simpson County, KY. On Rays marriage it states he was born in TEXAS. On the childrens Births records it states KY. On his Social Security Card, it states KY. Supposedly he was in the Navy. There is no records of him ever being in the service. I have written for records. His death certificate states he was not in the service, YET he told his children he was in the NAVY and told them what ship he was. I have not found any record to prove this. I have checked in Franklyn, KY Simpson Co and in Harlan Co. I called an old friend of Rays and she thought he come out of a Orphanage in Texas where her husband was at. I can find no records . WHAT can I do now? He had no Aunts, Uncles, Cousins come to see him. Rays wife died with out telling her children if she knw anything about him. He supposedly left his parents home after a mis understanding? Thanks Evelyn

Look on the death certificate to see who the informant was. Could have been a family member, a doctor, a neighbor. That kind of info on a death cert. is only as good as the informants knowledge of the deceased. Donna D.

Charlotte: Go with the information on the birth certificate. It was provided by the mother or father, so they knew first-hand. The marriage certificate may have been filled in by the bride, or perhaps the groom's family had moved when he was tiny and he didn't know he was born elsewhere. Eileen > I have his death certificate, and on it is says that he was born in > Hopkinsville, Ky. , and that his parents were both born in Georgia. But on > my grandmother's (his daughter) death certificate, it says that he was born > in Georgia.

lookin for parents and place of birth, also deathdate and place of death Name: John D. YERINGTON Given Name: John D. Surname: Yerington Birth: 1820 could be Findlay, Hancock, Ohio Census: 1870 Iowa Federal Census Index, Rochester Note: age 59 at home with wife Sarah Census: 1860 Iowa Federal Census Index, Tipton Note: age 40 in jail Marriage 1 Sarah WADE b: 1831 in ohio Married: 6 JUN 1858 in , Cedar, Iowa - I have a copy of the one line entry in the marriage book. Children 1. Daniel Webster YERINGTON b: 13 APR 1854 could be in Findley, Ohio 2. Josephine YERINGTON b: 1856 in , Cedar, Iowa 3. Nettie YERINGTON b: 1858 in , Cedar, Iowa 4. Frank YERINGTON b: 1864 in , Cedar, Iowa 5. Augusta YERINGTON b: 1859 in , Cedar, Iowa 6. Cornelia YERINGTON b: 1869 in , Cedar, Iowa 7. Anna YERINGTON b: 1861 in , Cedar, Iowa 8. Lyle YERINGTON b: 1868 in , Cedar, Iowa (o o) ------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------ Mary Stickney International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists (IBSSG) Proud owner of 6 BlackSheep 1 murderer, 1 bank scammer, 1 Incestuous pedophile, 1 deserter, 1 car thief, 1 forger of government documents - see my mystery below http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=stickneys http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/ my mystery http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0058photo.html http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0057photo.html

Mary: I see from your signature below that you come from a long line of politicians!! :) Eileen > Mary Stickney > International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists (IBSSG) > Proud owner of 6 BlackSheep > 1 murderer, 1 bank scammer, 1 Incestuous pedophile, 1 deserter, > 1 car thief, 1 forger of government documents - see my mystery below

Try calling the vital statistics offices for both places about a birth certificate and see if they can help you. I am looking for information on my father and have run into the same things. I called the office of vital statistics and they were able to help me out. Sometimes you get a nice person on the phone who is willing to go the extra mile and sometimes you get a real loser who doesn't care. I will hope you get a nice one! Good luck, and let me know. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: mary stickney <stickneys@alltel.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Joseph RICE, KY. > try for a birth certificate in both places. > > CM41385@aol.com wrote: > > > > Donna, > > > > I have his death certificate, and on it is says that he was born in > > Hopkinsville, Ky. , and that his parents were both born in Georgia. But on > > my grandmother's (his daughter) death certificate, it says that he was born > > in Georgia. > > > > Thanks, > > Charlotte > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > > -- > (o o) > ------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------ > > Mary Stickney > International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists (IBSSG) > Proud owner of 6 BlackSheep > 1 murderer, 1 bank scammer, 1 Incestuous pedophile, 1 deserter, > 1 car thief, 1 forger of government documents - see my mystery below > > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=stickneys > http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/ > > my mystery > http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0058photo. html > http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0057photo. html > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > >

I believe it was on this list that someone was talking about unclaimed fund. This link has info for all the states: http://pppl.tblc.lib.fl.us/unclaim.html If it was'nt on this list unclaimed funds were discussed i am sorry, for sending this. Faith

try for a birth certificate in both places. CM41385@aol.com wrote: > > Donna, > > I have his death certificate, and on it is says that he was born in > Hopkinsville, Ky. , and that his parents were both born in Georgia. But on > my grandmother's (his daughter) death certificate, it says that he was born > in Georgia. > > Thanks, > Charlotte > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM -- (o o) ------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------ Mary Stickney International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists (IBSSG) Proud owner of 6 BlackSheep 1 murderer, 1 bank scammer, 1 Incestuous pedophile, 1 deserter, 1 car thief, 1 forger of government documents - see my mystery below http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=stickneys http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/ my mystery http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0058photo.html http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0057photo.html

Do you have a birth certificate for him? Try calling the office of vital statistics for Georgia and see if they have any information. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <CM41385@aol.com> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 5:06 AM Subject: Joseph RICE, KY. > Hello, > > My mystery is my great grandfather, Joseph RICE. He was born in Georgia, > Feb. 20, 1874. His parents were Thomas and Mary (Mollie?) > RICE. The mystery is that on some documents, it says that he was born in > Hopkinsville, Ky., and that his father was born in Ireland, and that his > mother was Mary, born in Scotland. Then on some documents it says that he > was born in Georgia, and that his parents (Tom and Mollie) were born in Ky. > He married my great grandmother, Nancy Ermine LANE, August 23, 1903, in Flat > Lick, Ky. Joseph died on May 29, 1947, in Bell County, Ky. My mom's family > said that he was born in Georgia. They also said that his family in Georgia > had disowned him for marrying out of his faith. I am trying to find out > where he was born and about his parents and their families. > > I would appreciate any help possible. > > Thank you, > Charlotte > ~~Ohio~~ > > Thank you, > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > >

Thank you Donna, Charlotte

Thank you Eileen, Charlotte

I will have to try, Thanks, Charlotte

thanks