Hi All. I've been lurking for awhile and now want to post my mystery. My Grandfather, Braulio A. Rico appeared in Mills or Freemont County , Iowa in 1928. Where did he come from and where are the children from his previous marriage?. Braulio (known as B.A.) married my grandmother Goldie Spidell in April of 1928. Their first child was born in Aug of 1928. Goldie was 16, although the marriage cert says she was 20. B gives his birthdate as March 26, 1901, making him 27. There was a portrait of his daughter, ("Stella") who appears at least 18, and he had this at the time of his marriage in 1928. Different records for B always use the March 26 birthdate, but span from years of 1871 to 1901 (I have verified that all these records are my Braulio). I think I have found "Stella", Estella Eustolia Rico, who died in Los Angeles in 1988. Her SS app in 1934 says her parents names were Braulio Rico and Felicitas Uranga. Estella was born in 1903. I know there was at least one other child, Manuel, who supposedly died in an unknown place at the age of 19 from Tuberculosis. Rumor has it that there are at least 4 other children from the first marriage. Since LA is so big, I can't come up w/ a death cert for Estella (although I have paid someone to find it and she cashed my check). Since Estella was diovorced, i was able to get her death cert in the name of Rico. It lists the informant as a daughter, Aurora Flores. The city directories for 1988 list no Flores residing at the address provided and I don't have a married name for Estella. I am at a brick wall. On B's marriage cert, he lists his parents names as John Rico and Jessie Aguilar and says he was born in Mexico, on his SS application, he lists his parents as Porfirio Rico and Balleria Aguilar and says he was born in El Paso, Texas. Any suggestions on how I should proceed from here would be greatly appreciated. i started my search for family history because both my daughter and I are affected with Ectodermal Dysplasia, a rare genetic condition. Our sight is affected and my daughter is legally blind. Since this is not a normal manifestation of ED, our eye Doctors are at a loss as far as treatment and prognosis. I thought that if I had more family history, maybe I could establish a pattern. Sorry so long. Shellie

Appeared in the Sunday Oregonian paper Hints for first contact- after you have solved your mystery. Phone contact 1. Make sure you have the right person- save back some identifying information 2. Only talk with the person involved. You do not want to upset a whole family 3. ASK =is this a good time for a personal call 4.Ask person to write down the phone number-what if they pass out or get cut off. 5. If the birth parent does not want contact-be patient & understanding. Besure and give a phoe number and or address--they may change their mind. Hope HOpe Lady Patricia

I am looking for a Hattie (could be Harriet) G. STEWART, b. abt 1859-1869. Hattie married Artemus HATCH (b. Oneida, Madison, NY, 1859) in 1882 in Oneida, NY at the home of R.J. STEWART of Oneida (marriage record has been found in the Presbyterian church in Oneida). Artemus and Hattie may have had a daughter, Elizabeth Stewart HATCH, but this is not known for certain. What is known for certain is that Artemus was in Kansas with a woman named Lydia (supposedly SHAW, could this really be Hattie?) by 1886. It appears that Elizabeth (who we are only guessing may have been a daughter of Artemus and Hattie) stayed behind in Oneida, NY. So far we have been unable to ascertain the age or birthdate of Elizabeth Stewart HATCH. We are also interested in finding out if Hattie was still around in Oneida after Artemus disappeared, sometime in 1885 or 1886, or if perhaps Hattie died, and Artemus remarried. Although in the last case, one would have to wonder why Artemus didn't take his daughter with him to Kansas....if she was his daughter. We are looking for parents names of Hattie, and a birthplace and year so we can determine once and for all if Hattie and Lydia are one in the same person or not. Lydia was supposedly born in NJ in Feb 1869 (although I sure can't find her there, or in the 1870 NY or NJ census). If the birthdate for Lydia is correct, I am doubtful that she was the one who married Artemus in 1882, as she would only have been 13 at the time. The wife of Artemus HATCH has been a mystery for so long now. Artemus and the mysterious Lydia are my great grandparents, and NONE of their descendants seem to know who Lydia was, or where she came from or where she went after Artemus died. Thanks for any help! Anne

Passing this on from another list, for anyone researching in TN: Tenneessee Knox County Cemeteries / burials now online: > Robert McGinnis transcribed about 300,000 Knox County burials in the late > 1970's and early 1980's. He's continued to update and add to the > listing. Many of you may be familiar with the card file at the McClung > Historical Collection in Knoxville, which contains the bulk of Robert's work. > > Well....strap yourself in so you won't jump out of your chair <g>. > > With the kind assistance of Mr. Jerry Dill, system administrator of the > server where the Knox County TNGenWeb site is housed, we are now able to > begin making an index to the transcriptions available on-line. > > Yep, you read that right: ON-LINE. We have almost 19,000 of the 300,000 > inscriptions indexed so far. Please bear with us -- it's a time-consuming > effort! > > When you search, you will be given the surname, given name(s), and > cemetery. You can order the full transcription of the cemetery from Robert > via a link on the site. > > After you use this search engine, please send a note to Mr. Dill to thank > him for his assistance in getting this up. He can be reached via the > server's website: http://www.rootsquest.com > > Are you chomping at the bit yet? <g> > > Here's the URL for the Knox County Cemeteries > Website: http://www.wdbj.net/~tnknox/cemeteries/ > > And, feel free to spread the word as far and wide as you can! >

Crashed last week and lost my address book and the messages that were still on my machine. If there is anyone out there that I was talking with could you contact me again. Thanks so much. Myrna Goddard 253-863-2422 (optional myrna.goddard@boeing.com) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Martha, Do you live in that area? Reading these took me back, and now I can't sleep, wondering if I knew one or both of these women! Although I live in Minnesota now, I grew up in the Hoke road area during the 60s/70s/80's. And the areas where these two women's bodies were found is not that far apart. While I'm not sure where the second woman's body was found, the mere knowledge that it was in Miami County and about four miles off I-70 tells me that it was probably within 5 miles of the Hoke Road location. The Women sound like they were physically alike in size and age and coloring. It sounds to me like someone had a thing for slender 17-25 year old women with brownish hair, brown eyes, 5'5" -5'6" women. In other words, I can't imagine why police don't think that these are related incidents. Both locations are close to I-70, and just outside the Dayton area. The stretch of I-70 between Englewood Ohio and Richmond Indiana (about 30 miles) is 99.9% farmland, much of it owned and farmed by Mennonite families. It is secluded and scary at night - I grew up out there and I know. We called it "No-Man's Land". A murderer wanting to dispose of a body would find very few witnesses out here at night. And it strikes me that he would have had to know that... Considering that in 1981 I was 24, had brown hair and eyes and am 5'6", I begin to think back to some of the weird guys I ran into while out socializing (in Englewood, Union & West Milton area) on the Weekends and realize how fortunate I am. And these women's families may not realize that the women are dead. So many young women 'disappear' - we leave home and family for so many reasons. Just reading this list for any extent of time makes it clear that being born into a family does not guarantee that we will be loved, cared for or even missed when we are gone. I wish you every amount of luck in identifying these women, Martha! ----------------------- > > Subject: Two Jane Does in Ohio > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:03:46 -0400 > From: Martha Hardcastle Guthrie <mothra@erinet.com> > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > I am still working on trying to identify two female homicide victims who > were found along Ohio highways in 1981 and 1987. I doubt that their killers > will ever be found but I feel sure that someone misses these women. Police > feel that although they are both strangulations that the perpetrator is not > the same for the two cases. > > I submitted the following information to the "Lost and the Found" website > http://web.qx.net/aubriana/oh.htm which was started by Todd Matthews, the > man who finally identified the "Tent Girl" not far away from me in > Kentucky. An artist's rendering of the Montgomery County victim is > available there by clicking on "Montgomery County 1987" hypertext. > > Montgomery County - 1987 White female 17-25 years of age, 5'5", 125 lbs., > brown hair, brown eyes. Identifying marks or features: > · Tattoo over left breast, tattoo over right breast. > · Small scar on right ankle 1/4 inch in size. > · Apparently old IV track scars on both hands. Blood type A+. > Details: Body found 8/10/87 at east-bound off-ramp from Hoke Road to I-70, > Englewood, Ohio. Date of death 8/9/87 at unknown location approximately 14 > hours before discovery. Victim wore blue jeans, blue panties, blue > headband. No shirt or shoes. Loop earring in right ear, two silver > bracelets on right arm, turquoise ring on right hand, silver chain > necklace. Fingerprints and dentals available. > Cause of death: Strangulation > NCIC U-260043704 > Englewood Police Department, > 333 West National Road > Englewood OH 45322 > (937) 836-1194 (937) 836-2678 > Agency file 87-0914 > Miami County - 1981 White female, late teens to mid-20s, 5'6", 125 to 130 > lbs., reddish-brown hair, brown eyes. Identifying marks or features: > · Hair in large braids > · One-inch horizontal scar on bottom of chin > · two-inch scar on thumb side of left wrist with a one-inch > horizontal scar in same area > · a 5/16 X 3/4 inch light-colored birthmark on upper left thigh > · several scars on right foot. > · Blood type O positive. > Details: Body found 4/21/81, 20 miles north of Dayton, Ohio in ditch on > county road approximately four miles west of I-75. Several blows to the top > of the forehead. "Wrangler" jeans, brown sweater with orange crisscross > design on the front, size 32D bra, handmade fringed buckskin shirt-jacket > with deep purple lining. Dentals and fingerprints available. > Cause of death: Manually strangled. Death 24-48 hours. prior to delivery. > NCIC: U-121466199 > Miami County Sheriff's Department > Det. Lt. R. Sweitzer > 201 W. Main St. > Troy, OH 45373 > (937) 332-6824 > > If anyone has any information or ideas, please contact me. > > Thanks, > > Martha

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AD217F2863E4E472E5524B0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit some more info. If he was always writting the govenrment then for sure the FBI , will have a file on him. If they send me a copy or not is another story. (o o) ------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------ Mary Stickney International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists (IBSSG) Proud owner of 6 BlackSheep 1 murderer, 1 bank scammer, 1 Incestuous pedophile, 1 deserter, 1 car thief 1 forger of government documents (my dad, still can't find who he really is/was) http://blacksheep.amity.org/ http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=stickneys http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/ http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0058photo.html http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0057photo.html --------------AD217F2863E4E472E5524B0C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from coollink.net (coollink.net [169.132.8.9]) by mail.alltel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/ALLTEL Internet) with ESMTP id LAA22066 for <STICKNEYS@ALLTEL.NET>; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:38:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from talby (ppp-17.ts-4.lax.idt.net [169.132.153.161]) by coollink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18248 for <STICKNEYS@ALLTEL.NET>; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bff97b$907a6fe0$a19984a9@talby> From: "susie yerington" <talby@coollink.net> To: "Mary Stickney" <STICKNEYS@ALLTEL.NET> References: <3982ED49.C821985B@ALLTEL.NET> Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:39:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Sorry, I hit something by mistake so you might get this twice. Tal remembers being over at your house one day and your father had just gotten a reply (letter) back from the White House. Tal says he thinks your Dad wrote letter to the government a lot about his opinions on things. Tal thinks that this particular letter was in response to something your Dad wrote to the White House about Jimmy Hoffa (Teamsters) - that someone else was a lot worse than Jimmy Hoffa was - but Tal can't remember who that someone else was that your Dad was referring too. Tal also said that he thinks Robert John is an upgraded version of his Dad. Robert John also goes to City Council meetings doesn't he. Tal heard a radio show last night about people of high intellect and how they are probably the most dangerous people and they have no emotions - only deal of intellect not common sense or lo

I am still working on trying to identify two female homicide victims who were found along Ohio highways in 1981 and 1987. I doubt that their killers will ever be found but I feel sure that someone misses these women. Police feel that although they are both strangulations that the perpetrator is not the same for the two cases. I submitted the following information to the "Lost and the Found" website http://web.qx.net/aubriana/oh.htm which was started by Todd Matthews, the man who finally identified the "Tent Girl" not far away from me in Kentucky. An artist's rendering of the Montgomery County victim is available there by clicking on "Montgomery County 1987" hypertext. Montgomery County - 1987 White female 17-25 years of age, 5'5", 125 lbs., brown hair, brown eyes. Identifying marks or features: · Tattoo over left breast, tattoo over right breast. · Small scar on right ankle 1/4 inch in size. · Apparently old IV track scars on both hands. Blood type A+. Details: Body found 8/10/87 at east-bound off-ramp from Hoke Road to I-70, Englewood, Ohio. Date of death 8/9/87 at unknown location approximately 14 hours before discovery. Victim wore blue jeans, blue panties, blue headband. No shirt or shoes. Loop earring in right ear, two silver bracelets on right arm, turquoise ring on right hand, silver chain necklace. Fingerprints and dentals available. Cause of death: Strangulation NCIC U-260043704 Englewood Police Department, 333 West National Road Englewood OH 45322 (937) 836-1194 (937) 836-2678 Agency file 87-0914 Miami County - 1981 White female, late teens to mid-20s, 5'6", 125 to 130 lbs., reddish-brown hair, brown eyes. Identifying marks or features: · Hair in large braids · One-inch horizontal scar on bottom of chin · two-inch scar on thumb side of left wrist with a one-inch horizontal scar in same area · a 5/16 X 3/4 inch light-colored birthmark on upper left thigh · several scars on right foot. · Blood type O positive. Details: Body found 4/21/81, 20 miles north of Dayton, Ohio in ditch on county road approximately four miles west of I-75. Several blows to the top of the forehead. "Wrangler" jeans, brown sweater with orange crisscross design on the front, size 32D bra, handmade fringed buckskin shirt-jacket with deep purple lining. Dentals and fingerprints available. Cause of death: Manually strangled. Death 24-48 hours. prior to delivery. NCIC: U-121466199 Miami County Sheriff's Department Det. Lt. R. Sweitzer 201 W. Main St. Troy, OH 45373 (937) 332-6824 If anyone has any information or ideas, please contact me. Thanks, Martha

Larry & Laura Wright were looking for a John FROST. Now I am looking for L. Wright. I tried your E mail but it was returned. I have some information on your unsolved mystery Lady Patricia paron@bendnet.com

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No one responded with a web site for gen unsolved. What I need is the address for someone to subscribe. Thanks laura -- http://www.geocities.com/mamafrost/index.html RUSSELL COUNTY KENTUCKY FRIENDS http://www.egroups.com/group/russellcountyfriends A.n.d.e.r.s.o.n-B.o.w.l.e.s-B.u.n.c.h-B.l.a.c.k C.o.l.y.e.r-D.e.S.p.a.i.n-F.e.r.r.y-F.r.o.s.t G.r.a.h.a.m-B.u.r.t.o.n-J.a.s.p.e.r-H.u.c.k.a.b.y M.c.C.u.b.b.i.n.s -N.e.a.t-P.a.i.n.t.e.r-R.i.c.h.m.o.n.d R.e.x.r.o.a.t-B.o.l.e.n-Q.u.i.n.n-W.a.r.d-W.a.l.k.e.r W.r.i.g.h.t My biggest brick wall John Frost Born Clinton County Ky-1841 d. 1910 parents were William Frost & Rachael? What was Rachael"s maiden name? mailto:lsllwright@fuse.net

GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com with subscribe as the only word Larry&Laura wright wrote: > > No one responded with a web site for gen unsolved. What I need is the > address for someone to subscribe. Thanks laura > > -- > http://www.geocities.com/mamafrost/index.html > RUSSELL COUNTY KENTUCKY FRIENDS > http://www.egroups.com/group/russellcountyfriends > > A.n.d.e.r.s.o.n-B.o.w.l.e.s-B.u.n.c.h-B.l.a.c.k > C.o.l.y.e.r-D.e.S.p.a.i.n-F.e.r.r.y-F.r.o.s.t > G.r.a.h.a.m-B.u.r.t.o.n-J.a.s.p.e.r-H.u.c.k.a.b.y > M.c.C.u.b.b.i.n.s -N.e.a.t-P.a.i.n.t.e.r-R.i.c.h.m.o.n.d > R.e.x.r.o.a.t-B.o.l.e.n-Q.u.i.n.n-W.a.r.d-W.a.l.k.e.r > W.r.i.g.h.t > My biggest brick wall > John Frost Born Clinton County Ky-1841 d. 1910 > parents were William Frost & Rachael? > What was Rachael"s maiden name? > mailto:lsllwright@fuse.net > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM -- (o o) ------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------ Mary Stickney International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists (IBSSG) Proud owner of 6 BlackSheep 1 murderer, 1 bank scammer, 1 Incestuous pedophile, 1 deserter, 1 car thief, 1 forger of government documents - see my mystery below http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=stickneys http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/ my mystery http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0058photo.html http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/o/g/Mary-L-Rognessstickney/PHOTO/0057photo.html

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Hi, Is there a homepage for gen-Unsolved . Ive tried searching rootsweb with no luck. Since everything has changed there, I get lost easy. Thanks laura -- http://www.geocities.com/mamafrost/index.html RUSSELL COUNTY KENTUCKY FRIENDS http://www.egroups.com/group/russellcountyfriends A.n.d.e.r.s.o.n-B.o.w.l.e.s-B.u.n.c.h-B.l.a.c.k C.o.l.y.e.r-D.e.S.p.a.i.n-F.e.r.r.y-F.r.o.s.t G.r.a.h.a.m-B.u.r.t.o.n-J.a.s.p.e.r-H.u.c.k.a.b.y M.c.C.u.b.b.i.n.s -N.e.a.t-P.a.i.n.t.e.r-R.i.c.h.m.o.n.d R.e.x.r.o.a.t-B.o.l.e.n-Q.u.i.n.n-W.a.r.d-W.a.l.k.e.r W.r.i.g.h.t My biggest brick wall John Frost Born Clinton County Ky-1841 d. 1910 parents were William Frost & Rachael? What was Rachael"s maiden name? mailto:lsllwright@fuse.net

In a message dated 07/27/2000 3:44:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lsllwright@fuse.net writes: << Hi, Is there a homepage for gen-Unsolved . Ive tried searching rootsweb with no luck. Since everything has changed there, I get lost easy. Thanks laura >> Laura, The Gen-Unsolved Mysteries list does not have a homepage, but if you would like to search the archives for the mailing list, you can do so at this page. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Annie Pa. Counties available for adoption! http://www.genexchange.org/pa/fulton/index.cfm http://www.genexchange.org/pa/blair/index.cfm http://www.genexchange.org/pa/index.cfm

Pat I don't know who my grandmother left with, however my mother recalls some family story that she married a man with the last name of Groom. I do know she was married to a Joseph Beckler by 1918. They lived in St. Louis. She had a son and a daughter by Mr. Beckler. All her children are dead. The one cousin who grew up in St. Louis knows less about Grandma than I. Yes my father truly forgave her. We visited back and forth all my life. I never knew this story until after my grandmother had died, and was much to young to know when I was told, that any of this would be important to me later on in life. My father was reunited with his mother after his first wife had also deserted him, but took their young son with her. My father was never to see his son again. I do have a happy ending here. I located my brother and we met for the first time last summer. His mother had taken him across state lines and had him go by the last name of the man she lived with until he was about 16. Well enough of all this. Thanks for listening, I feel better having gotten all this off my chest. Sincerely, Miriam ----- Original Message ----- From: <PNUTREG@cs.com> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Missing Grandma! > Hi Miriam > > I can see that we have a whole different picture here. She must of left of > her own. But why? Was this man she left with someone she married? How old > was she when she married her husband and how old was he? Was it a setup > marriage with the parents? > > Since they did not have safety strapes in High Chairs in those days to tie a > child in a high chair was a common thing. I can even remember that being > done in my era and it was not considered child abuse or unlawful. The bottom > line would be how long he was there and probably no one really knows. I wish > she had told you and defended herself and did she really make up with your > father? > > I guess what we are looking at now is what employment did she seek and how > many times did she remarry and where did all these events take place. Well, > God Bless you I hope you can come up with all this and find some Answers. Do > you know if she had other children? They could help with the anwers. > > Pat > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > >

I have said before -if you get lemon's make lemonade. I will give all the wrong facts to a hard to deal with person. They get very upset- "I will straighten you out"==== you get your information. Works for me! Lady Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIRIAM MASON" <mim@kih.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:35 PM Subject: Re: Missing Grandma! > The two people who are most likely to have the information that would help > me have been given access to contacting me without expense to themselves. > One of them has contacted me my e-mail and the ones in Texas, I have > written to twice and enclosed SASE on both occasions. Thanks for your > suggestion. > Miriam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred and Donna Wiedeburg" <fourwieds@uswest.net> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: Missing Grandma! > > > > try getting hold of them again. There is always a slight chance they may > > have forgotten or maybe they can't afford to call you. > > Good Luck, > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: MIRIAM MASON <mim@kih.net> > > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:29 AM > > Subject: Missing Grandma! > > > > > > > I have entered a post before re: tracing my grandmother Madge Hughes > > Johnson Beckler Walker. My grandmother b. June 02, 1892 in Mercer Co. KY. > > m. Elmer F. Johnson around 1908. They lived in Decatur, IL. when my father > > was born in 1909. She deserted my father while he was still a baby. > Since > > I have entered the initial information, I have found a woman on the Kenton > > Co., KY list, who knew some of my grandmother's family. This is where the > > plot thickens. My grandmother had a sister who lived in the Kenton Co.. > > area. Her name was Jennie Strathern, I had entered a query thinking I > might > > find a relative with info from a family Bible etc. This woman replied to > my > > query stating she knew the family, and at her first response told me for > > awhile that Jennie's grandaughter had lived with her family, but she > didn't > > remember the circumstances. The responder then told me she would ask her > > own mother for further information. I heard nothing for weeks, so I wrote > > her again. This t! > > > ime she responded that it was a grandson that lived with her family, and > > she again promised further information. You guessed it, now it has been > > several weeks and again no response. What is with this family? Sorry > for > > this long letter to you all but I just had to get it off my chest I am > > just so FRUSTRATED. Thanks for listening. > > > Miriam Johnson-Mason > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > > > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM >

The two people who are most likely to have the information that would help me have been given access to contacting me without expense to themselves. One of them has contacted me my e-mail and the ones in Texas, I have written to twice and enclosed SASE on both occasions. Thanks for your suggestion. Miriam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred and Donna Wiedeburg" <fourwieds@uswest.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Missing Grandma! > try getting hold of them again. There is always a slight chance they may > have forgotten or maybe they can't afford to call you. > Good Luck, > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MIRIAM MASON <mim@kih.net> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:29 AM > Subject: Missing Grandma! > > > > I have entered a post before re: tracing my grandmother Madge Hughes > Johnson Beckler Walker. My grandmother b. June 02, 1892 in Mercer Co. KY. > m. Elmer F. Johnson around 1908. They lived in Decatur, IL. when my father > was born in 1909. She deserted my father while he was still a baby. Since > I have entered the initial information, I have found a woman on the Kenton > Co., KY list, who knew some of my grandmother's family. This is where the > plot thickens. My grandmother had a sister who lived in the Kenton Co.. > area. Her name was Jennie Strathern, I had entered a query thinking I might > find a relative with info from a family Bible etc. This woman replied to my > query stating she knew the family, and at her first response told me for > awhile that Jennie's grandaughter had lived with her family, but she didn't > remember the circumstances. The responder then told me she would ask her > own mother for further information. I heard nothing for weeks, so I wrote > her again. This t! > > ime she responded that it was a grandson that lived with her family, and > she again promised further information. You guessed it, now it has been > several weeks and again no response. What is with this family? Sorry for > this long letter to you all but I just had to get it off my chest I am > just so FRUSTRATED. Thanks for listening. > > Miriam Johnson-Mason > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > >

Well Miriam All I can say is I sure hope you solve all this and my heart is with you. I'll sure keep you in my prayers and thoughts and if I can think of any hint I will sure let you know. I am sure you will come up with an answer, but it took me 2-3 yrs to find my cousin so as it goes Rome was not built in a day. Do not Give Up. Pat

Hi Miriam I can see that we have a whole different picture here. She must of left of her own. But why? Was this man she left with someone she married? How old was she when she married her husband and how old was he? Was it a setup marriage with the parents? Since they did not have safety strapes in High Chairs in those days to tie a child in a high chair was a common thing. I can even remember that being done in my era and it was not considered child abuse or unlawful. The bottom line would be how long he was there and probably no one really knows. I wish she had told you and defended herself and did she really make up with your father? I guess what we are looking at now is what employment did she seek and how many times did she remarry and where did all these events take place. Well, God Bless you I hope you can come up with all this and find some Answers. Do you know if she had other children? They could help with the anwers. Pat