The Gill I am looking for is Eleanoria; m. William Lemuel Richard Meyers; they had a daughter, Mary Ellen, in Marion Ohio in 1850. This is another one of my constant dead ends- ANY clues at all would be greatly appreciated! Lory Fuller Whicker ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jorja51@aol.com> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: Are you out there? > Are there any Gill's out there ns mystery land or Indiana or did you all go > back to Mars with out telling me? > > Georgia Gill Elkins > Home page > <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html">http://hometow > n.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html</A> > Hear me, Oh Great Father, from the East to the West, from the North to the > South--a Native I am. Give me the strength and the courage, the love and the > desire to walk upon this earth, a relative and a friend to all that is a part > of this great land. Give me eyes to see the beauty in all things and the > wisdom to understand that I to may be like you. With the strength that I draw > from you I can face the challenges in each new day. I hope you will look down > upon me and give me your blessing to go forth in peace and to live in peace > the rest of my days. Georgia Gill-Elkins 5/26/2000 > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > >

Delilah, Hi. The Gill I am looking for is Joseph Gill (born about 1804. He was married at least 2 times. Once to an Elizabeth last name unknown and they to a Julia Cruthers. Cruthers is more likely her married name since she had 3 children under that name. Joseph and Julia had a son by the name of Deverter. Does any of this sound familar. I know they existed on this plantet in the 1800's and the 19000 but can't find much info on then. They were from around Lodi, Silverwood, Rockville and Montazuma areas of Indiana. Gerogia <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html">http://hometow n.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html</A> Hear me, Oh Great Father, from the East to the West, from the North to the South--a Native I am. Give me the strength and the courage, the love and the desire to walk upon this earth, a relative and a friend to all that is a part of this great land. Give me eyes to see the beauty in all things and the wisdom to understand that I to may be like you. With the strength that I draw from you I can face the challenges in each new day. I hope you will look down upon me and give me your blessing to go forth in peace and to live in peace the rest of my days. Georgia Gill-Elkins 5/26/2000

My sister is a Gill. delilah At 23:40 8/25/00 EDT, you wrote: >Are there any Gill's out there ns mystery land or Indiana or did you all go >back to Mars with out telling me? > >Georgia Gill Elkins >Home page ><A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html">http://hometow >n.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html</A> > Hear me, Oh Great Father, from the East to the West, from the North to the >South--a Native I am. Give me the strength and the courage, the love and the >desire to walk upon this earth, a relative and a friend to all that is a part >of this great land. Give me eyes to see the beauty in all things and the >wisdom to understand that I to may be like you. With the strength that I draw >from you I can face the challenges in each new day. I hope you will look down >upon me and give me your blessing to go forth in peace and to live in peace >the rest of my days. Georgia Gill-Elkins 5/26/2000 > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > >============================== >Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > >

Hi! I'm not a Gill but there are some in the area. And, yes, I live in Indiana. :-) Jo-Ann Stephens Bahai@netusa1.net - ------------------------------------- >Are there any Gill's out there ns mystery land or Indiana or did you all go >back to Mars with out telling me? > >Georgia Gill Elkins >Home page ><A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html">http://hometow >n.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html</A> > Hear me, Oh Great Father, from the East to the West, from the North to the >South--a Native I am. Give me the strength and the courage, the love and the >desire to walk upon this earth, a relative and a friend to all that is a part >of this great land. Give me eyes to see the beauty in all things and the >wisdom to understand that I to may be like you. With the strength that I draw >from you I can face the challenges in each new day. I hope you will look down >upon me and give me your blessing to go forth in peace and to live in peace >the rest of my days. Georgia Gill-Elkins 5/26/2000 > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > >============================== >Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > > >

Hello all. I am new here. This message just made me think of another glitch you can run into. My father was delivered in 1933 within days of a maternal cousin. The country doctor got the two sisters names confused. My father's birth certificate listed his Aunt as his mother. He never had it corrected until after the Korean war. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <odyssey@heirmail.to> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: Birth Certificates > Hmmm...well, lots of people didn't have to get delayed birth > certificates. My husband was in the Navy during the Korean war, > and wasn't required to have a birth certificate in order to enlist or to > serve. He receives Veterans benefits (and his Social Security > benefits), all without having a real or delayed birth certificate. He > also didn't need a birth certificate to receive the military honors > bestowed on him for his service. > > I have found many of my ancestors also never had a birth > certificate. My grandmother didn't have one, none of her siblings > had one, and apparently my mother and one of her siblings also > didn't have birth certificates or delayed birth certificates. They all > (except my grandmother and her siblings) had Social Security > cards, and collected Social Security benefits...yet there are no > records of their births. Go figure. Lots of people fell through the > cracks, unfortunately. > > Our local Social Security office told us that we didn't have to have a > birth certificate to get a Social Security card even today. They don't > care if you are a citizen or not, so it doesn't matter where you were > born, and you don't have to be any specific age to apply. People get > Social Security cards, Drivers Licenses, and other forms of ID all > the time, all without the benefit of birth certificates. > > In fact, I didn't have to show my birth certificate in order to get my > Social Security card...I just sent away for it. I didn't have to show > birth certificates to get any of my kids their Social Security cards > either. Come to think of it, the ONLY time I remember having to > produce my birth certificate for anything was for my Driver's license > learners permit...in order to prove I was 15 1/2 at the time (and > being that young, a birth certificate was the only form of ID that I > had). Since then, I have never needed to show my birth certificate > for any reason. If I did, I would be in trouble! Mine is all crumpled > and has big chunks missing from it, it is so old! > > You don't have to show a birth certificate to get married or divorced > or to have children. > > You would probably have to produce a birth certificate in order to > get a passport, although I have never had to get one, so don't know > that first hand...but I would think one would have to prove citizenship > for a passport. > > Don't know about now, but I didn't have to have a birth certificate in > order to attend school, and I didn't have to show my children's birth > certificates in order for them to attend school (California, Oregon, > and Washington). Times change, and maybe you have to now, but > you didn't when I was in school, or when my kids were in school > (the 80's). > > Four of my grandchildren were all born at home, and while I am > sure their births were recorded, their parents don't have any of their > birth certificates. Two of them are in school in California. > > You don't have to have a birth certificate in order to function in this > society, but it sure makes life easier for those future descendants > who decide to go looking for you! :) > > Anne > > > > You might check the County Clerk's 1940 Birth Index. Many people born as > > early as 1889 had to get a delayed birth record registered in 1940 in order > > to obtain a SS Card. Also, many men who went into service during WW II had > > to obtain a delayed birth certificate. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Raymond Heyer <BuckyHeyer@webtv.net> > > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:01 PM > > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > I have my father's SSapplication, but have been unable to find a birth > > certificate. Am I understanding you correctly, that he had to have a > > birth certificate when he applied for his SS#? > > > > Thank you , > > Susan > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by > > storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 > > 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) > > Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by > > mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) > > with ESMTP id RAA10595; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) > > Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id > > e5P0WP309524; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > > Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > > X-Original-Sender: diamond6468@mindspring.com Sat Jun 24 17:32:25 2000 > > From: diamond6468@mindspring.com > > Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624193638.00825e20@pop.mindspring.com> > > X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:36:38 -0400 > > Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > In-Reply-To: <01BFDDF5.06085A80@cx978976-c.chnd1.az.home.com> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Resent-Message-ID: <YXT5AD.A.nUC.ZMVV5@lists6.rootsweb.com> > > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2030 > > X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" or > > something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original > > application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his age, > > lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and > > you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his > > death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his birth > > cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an > > amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to send > > for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can > > give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death > > cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and > > probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the zip > > code of the residence. > > delilah > > > > > > > > > > At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi, > > >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go > > about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does > > anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? > > >Lee REESE > > >SSN 275-20-9296 > > >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA > > >Born 4 Feb 1894 > > >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > > > > > >Thanks for your help, > > >Julie > > > > > >-- > > >Julie Reese Bookser > > >jrbookse@home.com > > >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > > > > > > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > >============================== > > >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161-- > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

Are there any Gill's out there ns mystery land or Indiana or did you all go back to Mars with out telling me? Georgia Gill Elkins Home page <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html">http://hometow n.aol.com/jorja51/myhomepage/index.html</A> Hear me, Oh Great Father, from the East to the West, from the North to the South--a Native I am. Give me the strength and the courage, the love and the desire to walk upon this earth, a relative and a friend to all that is a part of this great land. Give me eyes to see the beauty in all things and the wisdom to understand that I to may be like you. With the strength that I draw from you I can face the challenges in each new day. I hope you will look down upon me and give me your blessing to go forth in peace and to live in peace the rest of my days. Georgia Gill-Elkins 5/26/2000

Establishing an age of a card applicant is a separate issue from showing a birth certificate. The Social Security Administration has a right to establish an age for a card holder or someone wishing to collect benefits. This can be established in many different ways...a family Bible, a note from a parent or sibling or other relative, or, as in my husband's case, military enlistment papers from when he was a young man (military enlistment accomplished with a note from his parents establishing his age at the time of enlistment). This same military form was used in order to calculate his Social Security benefits when he retired, and in order to add money on to his benefit amount for his military service. These are legally acceptable ways of establishing age. Keep in mind, my husband was born in Canada, and all of his paperwork reflects that fact. As a former Social Worker, with a target population of elderly and disabled clients, I dealt with these Social Security issues every day. The Social Security Administration is moving towards requiring a birth certificate in order to receive a Social Security card (but you don't HAVE to be a US citizen!), and someday in the future will probably also require a birth certificate for the purpose of collecting benefits. But that policy is not currently in place. Written policy states you do NOT have to have a birth certificate in order to collect benefits...otherwise my own husband wouldn't be collecting his benefits either! When I was doing Social Work for a State Agency, I routinely dealt with these Social Security issues. A large portion of our elderly and disabled population do not have birth certificates, and none was ever issued for them. This did not produce a stumbling block in their receiving their Social Security or SSI benefits, nor should it. You would be very surprised at the high percentage of our aged population for whom no birth certificate exists. The Social Security Administration has a written policy stating that a birth certificate is not required for the purpose of collecting benefits. (Neither do you have to be a citizen!) They usually establish your age when you apply for a Social Security card, so normally this would already be done long before it comes time to collect benefits...but I am sure some people fell through the cracks back in those early days. If that is the case, they will be required to show something that establishes that they are 62 or older in order to collect their retirement benefits....that is only reasonable...but it certainly does NOT have to be a birth certificate! There is nothing preventing someone from showing their birth certificate in order to establish age...but it is NOT REQUIRED. Anyone who has, or has had, a different experience should file a complaint on the offending office so Washington can bring them into compliance with the Administration's written policy on the matter. For anyone who was initially turned down for lack of a birth certificate, then later received their benefits in another jurisdiction, they are entitled to retroactive benefits to the date they first applied but were denied. These are your rights, people....exercise them! Anne > > I believe your explanation is a very good one, and the more I think > about it, very accurate. > > I can remember my step grandfather having difficulty collecting social > security. I think they ended up using a family bible to establish a > birth date. > > > You may not need a birth certificate in order to get a > card but you (in some counties) need a birth > certificate in order to collect SS. >

08/25/2000 Off and on for about 20 years, I had been looking for my children's grandmother who mysteriously disappeared in the mid-1940s. It was very difficult to trace her, because she had been married 6 times, but finally Last year I found her grave listed on a GEN-WEB cemeteries page for Tulare County, CA. After obtaining her death certificate and making sure that I had the right person, I wrote to the cemetery asking them to send me the name and address of the person who owned her burial plot. I also requested a copy of her 1975 obituary from the local paper. From that obituary, I obtained the names of her survivors and where they lived in 1975. Then I started searching for their names, as well. I sent a letter to the 25-year old address given to me by the cemetery, but got no response. Since the address was an apartment, I had not had much hope of finding this person. But I noticed that most of her 12 surviving children lived within a four contiguous California counties, so I concentrated my searching efforts to those four counties. I searched every database that I could think of and eventually found death records for three of her sons. As I found each death record, I looked for an obituary. It was very time consuming, but eventually I found a very recent obituary which gave me the current surnames of her daughters and sons and the towns where they lived as of February 2000. Last month I sent very polite letters of inquiry to three addresses that I found on the Internet for people with the same name as her son who owned her burial plot. Yesterday, I got a letter from one of those people, saying that he was the one that I was looking for and that he had been looking for his missing brothers for a very long time!!! He sent me his e-mail address and his telephone number. Yesterday, I sent him a long e-mail asking him about his mother and telling him some things about her that I am sure he did not know. This is very exciting, but yet very scary, all at the same time. I have no idea what kind of person he is, and I do not want to needlessly endanger myself or my family. Does anyone have any ideas for me regarding what I should or should not reveal to this new found relative, the uncle of my children??? I used every search engine that I could find, and eventually

no, not married to a us citizen. I also believe in country illegally. Paid in to SS for 30 years. Lady Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cactusflrw@aol.com> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Birth Certificates > Is he/she married to a U.S. citizen? > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >

In UK school registers are often consulted to ascertain whether or not the person received full, full-time education from infant school. My grandmother, born in Australia, went through her life not having a birth cert. everyone in the family said she had never had one, not been registered. Until about 20 years ago when I obtained an official copy via the Australian Embassy. Bubbles from Robin Hood Country. ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond Heyer <BuckyHeyer@webtv.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:53 PM Subject: Re: SS Card : : --WebTV-Mail-14022-108 : Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit : : I believe your explanation is a very good one, and the more I think : about it, very accurate. : : I can remember my step grandfather having difficulty collecting social : security. I think they ended up using a family bible to establish a : birth date. : : : --WebTV-Mail-14022-108 : Content-Disposition: Inline : Content-Type: Message/RFC822 : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit : : Received: from mailsorter-101-12.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.49) by : storefull-114.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 : 05:17:22 -0700 (PDT) : Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> : Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by : mailsorter-101-12.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) : with ESMTP id FAA21963; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:16:44 -0700 (PDT) : Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id : e7PCA9T24543; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:10:09 -0700 : Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:10:09 -0700 : X-Original-Sender: cats14818@yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 05:10:09 2000 : Message-ID: <20000825121005.15062.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> : Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:10:05 -0700 (PDT) : From: Catherine Comeau <cats14818@yahoo.com> : Subject: SS Card : Old-To: gen-unsolved-mysteries-l@rootsweb.com : MIME-Version: 1.0 : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii : Resent-Message-ID: <r2U1GD.A.S_F.hImp5@lists6.rootsweb.com> : To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com : Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com : Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com : X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2346 : X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com : Precedence: list : Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com : : You may not need a birth certificate in order to get a : card but you (in some counties) need a birth : certificate in order to collect SS. : : My father was a very strange case. He and 4 other : siblings were abandoned by their parents when he was : five in 1925. He never had a birth certificate. He : was in WWII, went to school, paid in for I don't know : how many years, then when he went to collect they : said NO WAY. He then had to prove who he was. So : they sent for a birth certificate in the state where : he was born (PA) and guess what? He found out his : name was different, his first and middle names had : been reversed around, his last name was spelled : differently, and best of all his birth day was a week : earlier. : : They really said NO in a big way then. So he had to : go to a lawyer, and try to get a mess that had : occurred 50 years earlier straightened out. It turns : out that the authorities changed the spelling of each : one of the children's last name just a little so that : it would be that more difficult for them to find each : other. : : His lawyer filed an affidavit explaining the : situation. Then when he went to another County to : file for SS, they just said no problem and gave it to : him without even asking for a birth certificate. So I : think it depends on the place and person you talk to. : But in most cases I think you need a birth cerficate : in order to collect Social Security. : : PS: We still have not found one of the five children! : One that we know of is still living and she and my : father met for the first time last October. It had : been 75 years since they were separated. They were : living less than 50 miles from each other. In fact at : one point they lived as close as 10 miles and never : knew. I found his other sister's family just this : summer and visited her grave several weeks ago. : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Yahoo! 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--WebTV-Mail-2750-94 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I was so hoping that my father had some tangible proof of birth at time of application, and that some how the SSA would still have this proof. I know that my mother collected SS benefits on his contributons, but don't know what, if anything, she had to go through to get this done. --WebTV-Mail-2750-94 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-10.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.44) by storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by mailsorter-101-10.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id OAA12750; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e7OL1Zs00357; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:01:35 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:01:35 -0700 X-Original-Sender: BuckyHeyer@webtv.net Thu Aug 24 14:01:35 2000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRMPfNYCbSD1RCF8qSFFa6JXQANuAIUIB8RlERyaq93DmBJBscSZq0Wxlw= From: BuckyHeyer@webtv.net (Raymond Heyer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:01:37 -0500 (CDT) Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese Message-ID: <23209-39A58D31-362@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: diamond6468@mindspring.com's message of Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:36:38 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Old-Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-27640-161 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Resent-Message-ID: <_S21nD.A.WF.v0Yp5@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2336 X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I have my father's SSapplication, but have been unable to find a birth certificate. Am I understanding you correctly, that he had to have a birth certificate when he applied for his SS#? Thank you , Susan --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id RAA10595; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e5P0WP309524; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 X-Original-Sender: diamond6468@mindspring.com Sat Jun 24 17:32:25 2000 From: diamond6468@mindspring.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624193638.00825e20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:36:38 -0400 Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese In-Reply-To: <01BFDDF5.06085A80@cx978976-c.chnd1.az.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <YXT5AD.A.nUC.ZMVV5@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2030 X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" or something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his age, lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his birth cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to send for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the zip code of the residence. delilah At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? >Lee REESE >SSN 275-20-9296 >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA >Born 4 Feb 1894 >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > >Thanks for your help, >Julie > >-- >Julie Reese Bookser >jrbookse@home.com >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > >============================== >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. ============================== Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! 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--WebTV-Mail-14022-108 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I believe your explanation is a very good one, and the more I think about it, very accurate. I can remember my step grandfather having difficulty collecting social security. I think they ended up using a family bible to establish a birth date. --WebTV-Mail-14022-108 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-12.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.49) by storefull-114.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by mailsorter-101-12.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id FAA21963; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e7PCA9T24543; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:10:09 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:10:09 -0700 X-Original-Sender: cats14818@yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 05:10:09 2000 Message-ID: <20000825121005.15062.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine Comeau <cats14818@yahoo.com> Subject: SS Card Old-To: gen-unsolved-mysteries-l@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <r2U1GD.A.S_F.hImp5@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2346 X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com You may not need a birth certificate in order to get a card but you (in some counties) need a birth certificate in order to collect SS. My father was a very strange case. He and 4 other siblings were abandoned by their parents when he was five in 1925. He never had a birth certificate. He was in WWII, went to school, paid in for I don't know how many years, then when he went to collect they said NO WAY. He then had to prove who he was. So they sent for a birth certificate in the state where he was born (PA) and guess what? He found out his name was different, his first and middle names had been reversed around, his last name was spelled differently, and best of all his birth day was a week earlier. They really said NO in a big way then. So he had to go to a lawyer, and try to get a mess that had occurred 50 years earlier straightened out. It turns out that the authorities changed the spelling of each one of the children's last name just a little so that it would be that more difficult for them to find each other. His lawyer filed an affidavit explaining the situation. Then when he went to another County to file for SS, they just said no problem and gave it to him without even asking for a birth certificate. So I think it depends on the place and person you talk to. But in most cases I think you need a birth cerficate in order to collect Social Security. PS: We still have not found one of the five children! One that we know of is still living and she and my father met for the first time last October. It had been 75 years since they were separated. They were living less than 50 miles from each other. In fact at one point they lived as close as 10 miles and never knew. I found his other sister's family just this summer and visited her grave several weeks ago. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/ --WebTV-Mail-14022-108--

--WebTV-Mail-4880-102 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit At the time of application, he, my father was married to my mother,who was not yet a US citizen. --WebTV-Mail-4880-102 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-10.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.44) by storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by mailsorter-101-10.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id XAA24457; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e7P6Pn300432; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:25:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:25:49 -0700 X-Original-Sender: Cactusflrw@aol.com Thu Aug 24 23:25:49 2000 From: Cactusflrw@aol.com Message-ID: <48.a19aaa8.26d76b63@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:25:39 EDT Subject: Re: Birth Certificates Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Resent-Message-ID: <YGrXwB.A.gG.tFhp5@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2345 X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com Is he/she married to a U.S. citizen? ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ --WebTV-Mail-4880-102--

Patricia: Your friend is wrong. I have been in the USA 40 years, and just never took the time to become a citizen. My SS check is in my handbag as I type this. Actually, I'm glad the subject came up, as I often forget to deposit my checks. So thanks for the reminder. Eileen > Wow-- You have to be a citizen to get a SS card today. > > I have a friend who paid into SS but can't collect. He is not a US citizen. > > Right or wrong group? > Lady Patricia

You may not need a birth certificate in order to get a card but you (in some counties) need a birth certificate in order to collect SS. My father was a very strange case. He and 4 other siblings were abandoned by their parents when he was five in 1925. He never had a birth certificate. He was in WWII, went to school, paid in for I don't know how many years, then when he went to collect they said NO WAY. He then had to prove who he was. So they sent for a birth certificate in the state where he was born (PA) and guess what? He found out his name was different, his first and middle names had been reversed around, his last name was spelled differently, and best of all his birth day was a week earlier. They really said NO in a big way then. So he had to go to a lawyer, and try to get a mess that had occurred 50 years earlier straightened out. It turns out that the authorities changed the spelling of each one of the children's last name just a little so that it would be that more difficult for them to find each other. His lawyer filed an affidavit explaining the situation. Then when he went to another County to file for SS, they just said no problem and gave it to him without even asking for a birth certificate. So I think it depends on the place and person you talk to. But in most cases I think you need a birth cerficate in order to collect Social Security. PS: We still have not found one of the five children! One that we know of is still living and she and my father met for the first time last October. It had been 75 years since they were separated. They were living less than 50 miles from each other. In fact at one point they lived as close as 10 miles and never knew. I found his other sister's family just this summer and visited her grave several weeks ago. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I have to agree also with these comments. In the case of my grandfather, a cousin had to verify his birth, which is a mystery of my own, when he enlisted in the military service. He had no birth certificate.

Records used for the purpose of getting a delayed birth certificate..or for establishing date of birth might include one of these.... statement of person present at birth Original Family Bible where birth was recorded Church Records Census Records School Records Work Records Statement of Older relative ----- Original Message ----- From: Lady Patricia To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese My father never had a birth certificate nor applied for SS. He died in 1962. Dad's sisters were issued delayed birth certificate or some one in family stated -"YES they were born on date" [after 1900] Lady Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Heyer" <BuckyHeyer@webtv.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > I have my father's SSapplication, but have been unable to find a birth > certificate. Am I understanding you correctly, that he had to have a > birth certificate when he applied for his SS#? > > Thank you , > Susan > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by > storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 > 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) > Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by > mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) > with ESMTP id RAA10595; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id > e5P0WP309524; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > X-Original-Sender: diamond6468@mindspring.com Sat Jun 24 17:32:25 2000 > From: diamond6468@mindspring.com > Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624193638.00825e20@pop.mindspring.com> > X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:36:38 -0400 > Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > In-Reply-To: <01BFDDF5.06085A80@cx978976-c.chnd1.az.home.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Resent-Message-ID: <YXT5AD.A.nUC.ZMVV5@lists6.rootsweb.com> > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2030 > X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com > > If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" or > something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original > application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his age, > lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and > you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his > death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his birth > cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an > amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to send > for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can > give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death > cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and > probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the zip > code of the residence. > delilah > > > > > At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go > about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does > anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? > >Lee REESE > >SSN 275-20-9296 > >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA > >Born 4 Feb 1894 > >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > > > >Thanks for your help, > >Julie > > > >-- > >Julie Reese Bookser > >jrbookse@home.com > >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > > > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > >============================== > >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161-- > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Patricia: Your friend should look further into this. You absolutely do NOT have to be a citizen to collect Social Security...that is according to my local Social Security office in California. LOTS of foreigners pay into the system and then collect their benefits, yet they are not citizens. I know this for a FACT. My husband is Canadian born (and he has no birth certificate). He also is an Engineer who worked for over 40 years in aerospace (after serving in the Navy during the Korean war), working on secret projects. All without a birth certificate, and being foreign born. He paid into the system, and he collects from the system. When I asked if you have to be a citizen to get a Social Security card when I was in the office a couple of weeks ago, the Manager of that Social Security office said you did not have to be a citizen to get a Social Security card or to pay into the system or to collect benefits. You may THINK this is not the case, but you should look further into it because we have just recently gone through all these issues with the Social Security administration ourselves. Sometimes how you THINK things should be isn't how they actually are! Do you have any idea of how many emigrants there are in this country currently who are not citizens who work, and have Social Security cards, and pay into the system and then later collect benefits? It is a huge number. Social Security will even send their benefits to another country if they leave here upon retirement. Check it out...apparently you will be surprised...but this IS the Social Security Administration's policy. Anne > Wow-- You have to be a citizen to get a SS card today. > > I have a friend who paid into SS but can't collect. He is not a US citizen. > > Right or wrong group? > Lady Patricia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne" <odyssey@heirmail.to> > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 6:52 PM > Subject: Birth Certificates > > > > Hmmm...well, lots of people didn't have to get delayed birth > > certificates. My husband was in the Navy during the Korean war, > > and wasn't required to have a birth certificate in order to enlist or to > > serve. He receives Veterans benefits (and his Social Security > > benefits), all without having a real or delayed birth certificate. He > > also didn't need a birth certificate to receive the military honors > > bestowed on him for his service. > > > > I have found many of my ancestors also never had a birth > > certificate. My grandmother didn't have one, none of her siblings > > had one, and apparently my mother and one of her siblings also > > didn't have birth certificates or delayed birth certificates. They all > > (except my grandmother and her siblings) had Social Security > > cards, and collected Social Security benefits...yet there are no > > records of their births. Go figure. Lots of people fell through the > > cracks, unfortunately. > > > > Our local Social Security office told us that we didn't have to have a > > birth certificate to get a Social Security card even today. They don't > > care if you are a citizen or not, so it doesn't matter where you were > > born, and you don't have to be any specific age to apply. People get > > Social Security cards, Drivers Licenses, and other forms of ID all > > the time, all without the benefit of birth certificates. > > > > In fact, I didn't have to show my birth certificate in order to get my > > Social Security card...I just sent away for it. I didn't have to show > > birth certificates to get any of my kids their Social Security cards > > either. Come to think of it, the ONLY time I remember having to > > produce my birth certificate for anything was for my Driver's license > > learners permit...in order to prove I was 15 1/2 at the time (and > > being that young, a birth certificate was the only form of ID that I > > had). Since then, I have never needed to show my birth certificate > > for any reason. If I did, I would be in trouble! Mine is all crumpled > > and has big chunks missing from it, it is so old! > > > > You don't have to show a birth certificate to get married or divorced > > or to have children. > > > > You would probably have to produce a birth certificate in order to > > get a passport, although I have never had to get one, so don't know > > that first hand...but I would think one would have to prove citizenship > > for a passport. > > > > Don't know about now, but I didn't have to have a birth certificate in > > order to attend school, and I didn't have to show my children's birth > > certificates in order for them to attend school (California, Oregon, > > and Washington). Times change, and maybe you have to now, but > > you didn't when I was in school, or when my kids were in school > > (the 80's). > > > > Four of my grandchildren were all born at home, and while I am > > sure their births were recorded, their parents don't have any of their > > birth certificates. Two of them are in school in California. > > > > You don't have to have a birth certificate in order to function in this > > society, but it sure makes life easier for those future descendants > > who decide to go looking for you! :) > > > > Anne > > > > > > > You might check the County Clerk's 1940 Birth Index. Many people born as > > > early as 1889 had to get a delayed birth record registered in 1940 in > order > > > to obtain a SS Card. Also, many men who went into service during WW II > had > > > to obtain a delayed birth certificate. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Raymond Heyer <BuckyHeyer@webtv.net> > > > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > > > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > > > I have my father's SSapplication, but have been unable to find a birth > > > certificate. Am I understanding you correctly, that he had to have a > > > birth certificate when he applied for his SS#? > > > > > > Thank you , > > > Susan > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > > > Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by > > > storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 > > > 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) > > > Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > > Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) > by > > > mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) > > > with ESMTP id RAA10595; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) > id > > > e5P0WP309524; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > > > Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > > > X-Original-Sender: diamond6468@mindspring.com Sat Jun 24 17:32:25 2000 > > > From: diamond6468@mindspring.com > > > Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624193638.00825e20@pop.mindspring.com> > > > X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com > > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > > > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:36:38 -0400 > > > Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > > In-Reply-To: <01BFDDF5.06085A80@cx978976-c.chnd1.az.home.com> > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Resent-Message-ID: <YXT5AD.A.nUC.ZMVV5@lists6.rootsweb.com> > > > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > > Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > > Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > > X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > archive/latest/2030 > > > X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > > Precedence: list > > > Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" > or > > > something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original > > > application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his > age, > > > lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and > > > you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his > > > death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his > birth > > > cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an > > > amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to > send > > > for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can > > > give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death > > > cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and > > > probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the > zip > > > code of the residence. > > > delilah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to > go > > > about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. > Does > > > anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? > > > >Lee REESE > > > >SSN 275-20-9296 > > > >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA > > > >Born 4 Feb 1894 > > > >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > > > > > > > >Thanks for your help, > > > >Julie > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Julie Reese Bookser > > > >jrbookse@home.com > > > >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > > >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > > >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > > >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161-- > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

Wow-- You have to be a citizen to get a SS card today. I have a friend who paid into SS but can't collect. He is not a US citizen. Right or wrong group? Lady Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" <odyssey@heirmail.to> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Birth Certificates > Hmmm...well, lots of people didn't have to get delayed birth > certificates. My husband was in the Navy during the Korean war, > and wasn't required to have a birth certificate in order to enlist or to > serve. He receives Veterans benefits (and his Social Security > benefits), all without having a real or delayed birth certificate. He > also didn't need a birth certificate to receive the military honors > bestowed on him for his service. > > I have found many of my ancestors also never had a birth > certificate. My grandmother didn't have one, none of her siblings > had one, and apparently my mother and one of her siblings also > didn't have birth certificates or delayed birth certificates. They all > (except my grandmother and her siblings) had Social Security > cards, and collected Social Security benefits...yet there are no > records of their births. Go figure. Lots of people fell through the > cracks, unfortunately. > > Our local Social Security office told us that we didn't have to have a > birth certificate to get a Social Security card even today. They don't > care if you are a citizen or not, so it doesn't matter where you were > born, and you don't have to be any specific age to apply. People get > Social Security cards, Drivers Licenses, and other forms of ID all > the time, all without the benefit of birth certificates. > > In fact, I didn't have to show my birth certificate in order to get my > Social Security card...I just sent away for it. I didn't have to show > birth certificates to get any of my kids their Social Security cards > either. Come to think of it, the ONLY time I remember having to > produce my birth certificate for anything was for my Driver's license > learners permit...in order to prove I was 15 1/2 at the time (and > being that young, a birth certificate was the only form of ID that I > had). Since then, I have never needed to show my birth certificate > for any reason. If I did, I would be in trouble! Mine is all crumpled > and has big chunks missing from it, it is so old! > > You don't have to show a birth certificate to get married or divorced > or to have children. > > You would probably have to produce a birth certificate in order to > get a passport, although I have never had to get one, so don't know > that first hand...but I would think one would have to prove citizenship > for a passport. > > Don't know about now, but I didn't have to have a birth certificate in > order to attend school, and I didn't have to show my children's birth > certificates in order for them to attend school (California, Oregon, > and Washington). Times change, and maybe you have to now, but > you didn't when I was in school, or when my kids were in school > (the 80's). > > Four of my grandchildren were all born at home, and while I am > sure their births were recorded, their parents don't have any of their > birth certificates. Two of them are in school in California. > > You don't have to have a birth certificate in order to function in this > society, but it sure makes life easier for those future descendants > who decide to go looking for you! :) > > Anne > > > > You might check the County Clerk's 1940 Birth Index. Many people born as > > early as 1889 had to get a delayed birth record registered in 1940 in order > > to obtain a SS Card. Also, many men who went into service during WW II had > > to obtain a delayed birth certificate. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Raymond Heyer <BuckyHeyer@webtv.net> > > To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:01 PM > > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > I have my father's SSapplication, but have been unable to find a birth > > certificate. Am I understanding you correctly, that he had to have a > > birth certificate when he applied for his SS#? > > > > Thank you , > > Susan > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by > > storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 > > 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) > > Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by > > mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) > > with ESMTP id RAA10595; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) > > Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id > > e5P0WP309524; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > > Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > > X-Original-Sender: diamond6468@mindspring.com Sat Jun 24 17:32:25 2000 > > From: diamond6468@mindspring.com > > Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624193638.00825e20@pop.mindspring.com> > > X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:36:38 -0400 > > Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > In-Reply-To: <01BFDDF5.06085A80@cx978976-c.chnd1.az.home.com> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Resent-Message-ID: <YXT5AD.A.nUC.ZMVV5@lists6.rootsweb.com> > > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2030 > > X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" or > > something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original > > application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his age, > > lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and > > you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his > > death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his birth > > cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an > > amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to send > > for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can > > give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death > > cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and > > probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the zip > > code of the residence. > > delilah > > > > > > > > > > At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi, > > >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go > > about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does > > anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? > > >Lee REESE > > >SSN 275-20-9296 > > >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA > > >Born 4 Feb 1894 > > >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > > > > > >Thanks for your help, > > >Julie > > > > > >-- > > >Julie Reese Bookser > > >jrbookse@home.com > > >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > > > > > > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > > >============================== > > >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161-- > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

My father never had a birth certificate nor applied for SS. He died in 1962. Dad's sisters were issued delayed birth certificate or some one in family stated -"YES they were born on date" [after 1900] Lady Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Heyer" <BuckyHeyer@webtv.net> To: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > I have my father's SSapplication, but have been unable to find a birth > certificate. Am I understanding you correctly, that he had to have a > birth certificate when he applied for his SS#? > > Thank you , > Susan > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161 > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > Received: from mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.43) by > storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 > 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) > Return-Path: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by > mailsorter-101-9.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) > with ESMTP id RAA10595; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:41:56 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id > e5P0WP309524; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:32:25 -0700 > X-Original-Sender: diamond6468@mindspring.com Sat Jun 24 17:32:25 2000 > From: diamond6468@mindspring.com > Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000624193638.00825e20@pop.mindspring.com> > X-Sender: diamond6468@pop.mindspring.com > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:36:38 -0400 > Old-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Getting records - Lee Reese > In-Reply-To: <01BFDDF5.06085A80@cx978976-c.chnd1.az.home.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Resent-Message-ID: <YXT5AD.A.nUC.ZMVV5@lists6.rootsweb.com> > To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2030 > X-Loop: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com > > If you got this off SSDI, there is a place to check "send for records" or > something to that effect, it is a letter to SS to obtain his original > application for a SS#, on it will tell his parents, his residence, his age, > lots of stuff - think it cost $7.00 - once you got his parents names and > you have where he died, send to the State of his birth for a copy of his > death cert, it will say where he was born, you can then send for his birth > cert (although they may not of had them back then) but there will be an > amended one he had to have to get his SS# - if you don't know where to send > for his DC, let me know, also if you have the county/city in Ohio, I can > give you the name of the funeral home, although it will be on the death > cert and you can write them and they will have copies of his obits and > probably some other stuff. after the word residense, that number is the zip > code of the residence. > delilah > > > > > At 15:58 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I recently received the following information and was wondering how to go > about getting birth record, death record, obit, etc for this person. Does > anyone have any suggestions to help me move along in my search? > >Lee REESE > >SSN 275-20-9296 > >Residence: 15243 Carnegie, Allegheny, PA > >Born 4 Feb 1894 > >Died 15 Jun 1969 Issued: OH (Before 1951) > > > >Thanks for your help, > >Julie > > > >-- > >Julie Reese Bookser > >jrbookse@home.com > >http://members.home.com/jrbookse > > > > > >==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > >Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > > >============================== > >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > > > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front > Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! > NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 > > > --WebTV-Mail-27640-161-- > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > Please consider becoming a Rootsweb contributor. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >