-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 3:48 AM Subject: GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-D Digest V99 #2 Can anyone help me. I have been searching for my grandmother, Ida Mae KOACH COOPER for five years. The following is all that I have on her: Marriage license, 21 July 1903 at Alva, Woods County, Oklahoma Territory to Clifford A. COOPER which says she was 23 years old then; Funeral record which says she was born in Moss County, KS on 4 December 1887, that her nationality was German and she died 29 August 1929 in Hoisington, Barton County, KS; Her death certificate states her name as Ida E. COOPER, date of birth 4 December 1887 in Kansas. It names her father as John KOTCH born in Germany. I have been to her grave in Pratt Kansas. This is all that I know of her. But if she were 23 years old when she married in 1903, she would have been born about 1880. I have not found her on any census anywhere. She is my father's mother and all of the family is gone so I have no one to ask about this. It is a real puzzle and I would like to solve it in my lifetime. So I would appreciate any help no matter how minute it may be. Thanking all of you in advance with all my heart. Jo.

I've got an unsolved mystery and if their are any Galveston old-timers out there and you have input on what really happened, I'd like to hear from you. Rodney J. (Bummy) Harris, 37, engineer for the G.H.&H. Railroad, died at John Sealy Hospital at 11:45 o'clock on the morning of September 3, 1938, a short time after his wife found himin his room at 2402 43d, with a gunshot wound through the lower part of his chest and a .38-caliber revolver lying nearby according to Chief of Dectectives Dave Henry. Justice of the Peace R.M. Kupsa conducted an inquest September 3. A verdict would be returned, he said. On his death certificate where it said accident, homicide, or suicide, it was left undetermined. The majority of the family thought it was murder, but a few, a very few thought it was suicide. Nobody in the house ever heard the gun go off, just Rodney pounding on the wooden floor, trying to get someone's attention. There was even talk by those who thought it was murder that it could have been the man next door. I thought it kind of odd, that someone who was attempting suicide would shoot himself in the stomach, push the gun aside and then try to get the attention and help of others in the house. Any input?

Please take a look at http://members.aol.com/bamamama/index.htm. We're still trying to identify this woman. One of the pictures appears to be taken in front of some sort of movie set and has fake palm trees and some sort of stage in the background. These two pictures were found in my friend's adoptive father's belongings after he died. My friend believes that this is her birth mother, since the woman is obviously pregnant and no one else in the family has been able to identify the woman in the pictures. Her first name may be either Virginia or Betty, and she was born around 1918. Surely someone knows who this woman is, and we're willing to pay for the information if necessary. Judy

Hi All! William Larrabee and his sons Seneca and Nathaniel left Wisconsin by covered wagon for the California gold fields. I am unsure of the year-it has been passed down as circa 1871, but that seems rather late. The next year William returned home by boat around South America but the sons were never heard from again. Has anyone got a clue or a research idea? Thanks! Melissa Larrabee Titel

Floyd Depew , son of John Depew and Rebecca DeLong Depew of DeKalb County, Indiana, left home during the 1890's when he was quite young and headed west. He wrote home a few times and since then has been lost to the family. We are looking for his descendents.

William Dearing (b. 9/17/1708), one of my Ancestors, was master of a coastal sloop in the mid-1700's. He lived in Scarborough, Maine, on what was then known as Black Point. In February of 1749 he murdered his wife, Mary Pine Dearing, with a blow to her head with an axe. He was arrested, tried and convicted and sentenced to be hanged up by the neck until dead. However, being the first cousin to Sir William Pepperell, he was given two stays of execution. Finally, he escaped the York jail and disappeared. Sir Pepperell was implicated in his escape and probably bribed the jailer. If anyone has visted the York jail they will see how impossible it would have been for William to escape on his own. The mystery is that there are two stories as to what happened to William Dearing. The standard account is that Pepperell slipped him aboard one of his mast ships to England and he was never heard from again. However, in Saco Valley Settlements and Families by G. T. Ridlon, it is reported that he hid out for three weeks on Richmond's Island and then escaped to Halifax, Nova Scotia. "His remorse drove him to insanity and while in confinement he dashed his head against a spike in the wall of his cell and ended his miserable existence...". This account may actually be true, but I believe that maybe someone else helped his head find that spike! Can this mystery be solved!

If any of you get a piece of mail with a subject line "Something for you" and an address of "ortal @ aquanet.co.il", DON"T try to open it. First: it's a pornographic site Second: it causes new windows to start opening in your browser. Just delete it. Barbara [email protected]

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I deeply apologize. I forgot to put a disclaimer on these poems. Twelfth Day of Christmas Night Before a Genealogist's Christmas I did not write them. One was forwarded to me by a friend, and the other I found elsewhere on the web. I don't know who the authors are, but it isn't me. *smile* Barbara [email protected]

T'WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS - GENEALOGIST VERSION "T'was the night before Christmas when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even my spouse. The dining room table with clutter was spread With pedigree charts and with letters which said... "Too bad about the data for which you had written It was lost in the stacks at Visitations of Britain." Piles of old copies of wills, deeds, and such Were proof that my work had become much to much. Our children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads. As I sat my computer, I was ready to drop >From entering data on cousins, whose lines never stop. Christmas was here, and such was my lot That presents and goodies and toys I forgot. Had I not been so busy with my grandparent's wills, I'd not have forgotten to shop for such thrills. While others bought gifts that would bring Christmas cheers; I'd spent time researching marriages and birth years. While I was thus musing about my sad plight, A strange noise on the lawn gave me such a great fright. Away to the window I flew in a flash, Tore open the drapes and I yanked up the sash. When what to my wondering eyes should appear? But an overstuffed sleigh and eight small reindeer. Up to the housetop the reindeer they flew, With a sleigh full of toys, and Saint Nicholas too. And then in a twinkle, I heard on the roof The prancing and pawing of thirty-two hoof. The TV antenna was no match for their horns, As I looked at our roof with hoof-prints adorned. As I drew in my head, and bumped it on the sash, Down the cold chimney fell Santa - KER-RASH! "Dear" Santa had come from the roof in a wreck, And tracked soot on the carpet, (I could wring his short neck!) Spotting my face, good old Santa could see I had no Christmas spirit as you'll have to agree. He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work And filled all the stockings, (I felt like a jerk). Here was Santa, who'd brought such gladness and joy; When I'd been too busy for even one toy. He spied my research on the table all spread "A genealogist!" He cried! (My face was all red!) "Tonight I've met many like you", Santa grinned. And he pulled from his sack a large book he had penned. I gazed with amazement - at the cover which said "Your Genealogy Lines - Ne'er Before Read" "I know what it's like to have the genealogy bug," He said, as he gave me a a great Santa Hug. "While the elves make the sleighful of toys I now carry, I do lots of research in the North Pole Library! A special treat I am thus able to bring, To genealogy folks who can't find a thing. Now off you go to your bed for a rest, I'll clean up the house with this genealogy mess." As I climbed up the stairs full of gladness and glee, I looked back at Santa who'd brought much to me. While settling in bed, I heard Santa's clear whistle, To his team, which then rose like the down of a thistle And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight, "Family History is Fun! Merry Christmas! Goodnight!"

On the Twelfth day of Christmas My true love gave to me Twelve census searches Eleven printer ribbons Ten e-mail contacts Nine headstones rubbings Eight birth and death dates Seven town clerks sighing Six second cousins, Five coats of arms, Four GEDCOM files, Three old wills, Two CD-ROMS, And a branch in my family tree Barbara [email protected]

Hi everyone! I'm looking for any suggestions as to how to go about solving my mystery... As the family story goes, my grandmother's father, William Nary, went out one day to never return home again. I've narrowed the time period down to between September of 1928 and April of 1929 from obituaries of his siblings. My grandma was only about six or seven so she doesn't remember the details, but she does remember being told that the family suspected he was killed by his business partner. Others in the family only remember the partner's last name as Henderson from West Virginia. However, the body was never found. I have an article from the newspaper seven years later(1935) saying that a hearing will be had in the Orphans Court of Beaver County, PA to establish the legal presumption of death for the heirs of his estate. I've checked the Register of Wills at the Courthouse for the date and it shows no record of that event taking place, but I have the papers that show his wife did get the money. Also, the law firm that took the case is no longer around. Here is what I have on William Nary: b. July 1886 to Patrick and Margaret Doyle Nary; declared legally dead Dec. 1935; married Ellen Hallisey Nov. 18, 1909 in Beaver Co., PA; had 9 children, 7 of which survived. The only thing I have in mind to do now is look through the newspaper between the dates of his disappearance to see if any articles were written on it. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. Thanks, Kelly [email protected]

As researching the surname Odijk (in the Netherlands) I lost one Odijk. Name: Theodorus (Dirk) Odijk born 27th febr 1835 Vlaardingen Netherlands. In 1984 somebody in the USA suspected his ancestor (Henry King) was the same person as Theodorus Odijk. ( last year I found out she was right, I found a notarial act in the Netherlands which said Theodorus Odijk = Henry King) According the USA researcher: "The family story on Theodore is as follows. Theodore was a seaman on a British merchant ship, the crew mutenied because of poor conditions and were charged when they returned to England. While waiting trial he escaped and left England on a ship to the US. On the ship a man called Henry King died, Theodore assumed his papers and identity, Thus Theodore Odijk became Henry King." I have the following questions, does anybody know in which direction I'll have to search ? He came in the USA as Henry King, but he was registered in the 1870 census as a Dutch born? (If he assumed the identity of the Irish or Englishmen born, how can he registered in the census as Dutch?) Under which name I'll have to search for his marriage King or Odijk/Odyk. He married the widdow Ellen Blain (Irish R.C.),she had been married to James Conway who died in the Civil War. The marriage would have taken place somewhere around 1860-1864 (In 1870 he lived in New York Kings Brooklyn cityward 14) If I have this info I can go on finding the ship he entered USA and which ship the muteny took place. see also HTTP://home.wxs.nl/~odijk002/

Still searching for any trace of William Osborn DAUGHERTY. William Osborne Daugherty b. 1873 Fannin Co., Texas Osborne was an albino. Sometime in the early 1900s he went "west". No one heard from him after that, but somehow, circa 1925 they knew he was dead. If anyone has any information, please contact me. For a picture of him, see the following webpage: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/5455/TheDaughertyFamily.html Thanks Barbara [email protected] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/5455/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/8595/

This is from another list, which in turn was printed on another list. *smile* ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- << TRAIL & MIGRATION SITES The Overland Trail http://www.over-land.com/index.html American Migrations Web Site http://members.aol.com/gedsearch/migrate.htm National Historic Trails Interpretive Center http://w3.trib.com/~rlund/NHTIC.html The Northern Great Plains, 1880-1920 http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award97/ndfahtml/ngphome.html Pioneering in the Upper Midwest, 1820-1910 American Memory Project, LOC http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/umhtml/umhome.html Juliana's Links http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/testurllinks/search.asp (In the Category Search, select 'Miscellaneous' and then "Westward Movement") OREGON/CALIFORNIA TRAIL Oregon-California Trails Association http://calcite.rocky.edu/octa/octahome.htm End of the Oregon Trail Interpretive Center http://www.teleport.com:80/~eotic/index.html Oregon Trail http://www.isu.edu/~trinmich/Allabout.html Emigrant Summit Trail (to California) http://www.r5.pswfs.gov/heritage/010.HTM Opening of the California Trail http://www.tahoenet.com/tdhs/tpstephn.html MORMON TRAIL MormonTrail.com: The Pioneer Experience http://www.mormontrail.com/ MormonTrail.net http://www.mormontrail.net/ History of the Mormon Trail http://lserver.aea14.k12.ia.us/SWP/cdavis/MTOP.HOMEP Iowa Mormon Trails http://www.lisco.com/iowamormontr/ SANTA FE TRAIL The Interactive Santa Fe Trail (SFT) Homepage http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/heritage/research/sft/ Fort Union and the Santa Fe Trail http://www.viva.com/nm/ghosts/union.html CHISHOLM TRAIL Chisholm Trail Anniversary Site http://www.unicusnet.com/chisholmtrail130/ Chisholm Trail http://www.southwind.net/ict/wht/wht-07s.html SPANISH TRAIL Old Spanish Trail Association http://www.slv.org/History/ost.htm RAILROAD "The reality of a transcontinental railroad resulted in several changes in Mormon emigration policy. In the late '60's, missionaries often recommended to their converts that they remain in their homes until the completion of the railroad, thus avoiding much of the hardship, sickness and death that had marked the trail of the covered wagon. By so doing they would also be able to accumulate more money to bring with them to the new community, or to assure the passage of the entire family. And in Utah, men who would otherwise be called to leave their homes to guide the incoming Saints to Zion, could stay at home to carry on their own work. With this in mind, the missionaries were frequently given the responsibility of placing families in mid-west or eastern communities where they could find homes and employment." The above excerpt is from "Our Pioneer Heritage, Volume 8," (available online to Ancestry.com subscribers at: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3239.htm) RRHistorical http://rrhistorical.com Railroad Maps from the Library of Congress http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/rrhtml/rrhome.html Golden Spike National Historic Site http://www.media.utah.edu/medsol/UCME/g/GOLDENSPIKE.html Railroads in Kansas http://history.cc.ukans.edu/heritage/research/rr/railroads.html MAPS Westward Migration in U.S. 1775-1860 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/FreeImages.asp?ImageID=299 Exploration and Settlement Before 1675 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/FreeImages.asp?ImageID=641 Exploration and Settlement 1675-1800 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/FreeImages.asp?ImageID=643 Exploration and Settlement 1800-1820 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/FreeImages.asp?ImageID=644 Exploration and Settlement 1820-1835 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/FreeImages.asp?ImageID=645 Exploration and Settlement 1835-1850 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/FreeImages.asp?ImageID=647 Exploration and Settlement 1850-1890 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/FreeImages.asp?ImageID=648 >>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------18501D31C433EF959F9F199E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I imagine the death was due to "Bronchial Consumption" - is that possible? joel -- ----- Joel Y. Morton [email protected] Coordinator for the Monterey County, California GenWeb Page <http://www.compuology.com/cagenweb/montecty.htm> Personal pages <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/o/r/Joel-Y-Morton/> <http://home.pacbell.net/jymcpa> --------------18501D31C433EF959F9F199E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: [email protected] Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by mail-sf2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA10527 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id TAA06973; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:37:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29635; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:32:20 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Shaliko" <[email protected]> Old-To: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:30:58 -0800 Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: [GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES-L] Mysterious disease!! Resent-Message-ID: <"NA9K2C.A.XOH.DLOV2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/376 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Has anyone ever heard of Broken Compensation. I had a relative die of this in the late 1800's Sandy P ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== To contact the owner use, [email protected] --------------18501D31C433EF959F9F199E--

Sometimes I think my whole family tree is a mystery....people who came from nowhere and disappeared into thin air, people who changed their names so many times it's impossible to determine who they were, people who moved around so much you'd swear they were only one step ahead of the posse. However, there's a gen-you-wine unsolved mystery dangling from the branch of the family tree that is supposed to hold my grandmother. I'm pretty sure no one on this list is going to know anything about my grandmother....my family is pretty obscure......but I'm just looking for suggestions on how to find the answer to the puzzle. Okay.....Grandma. Her maiden name was probably Nancy Savannah Smith, although she never, as far as I can determine, used the "Nancy." Everything I've ever found on her including her marriage license just lists her name as Savannah Smith. In 1881 she married my grandfather in Howard County, Indiana. His name was Allen Moore, so of course Grandma became Savannah Moore. They had some youngun's......probably five all together although only three of them lived to adulthood. My father was the only surviving son. At some point the Moore's moved from Howard County to Adams County, Indiana, but I don't know just when that event took place.......which means I don't know WHERE Savannah died. I haven't found any death record for her in either county. So here's the story of her death.......and please keep in mind that this was told to me by my father and as near as I can figure, he was still pretty young when his mother died.....young enough to end up in an orphanage since his father's health was so bad (TB) he couldn't take care of his family. Youthful memories can be distorted, but I'm certain he told the story the way he believed it. Savannah had a new baby, a little boy, who was still so young he had not yet been named. One day she ate her dinner, then got the baby and sat down to nurse it. In a very short time she became violently ill, began to convulse, and before anyone could do anything to help her, she died. Within minutes, the baby boy died in exactly the same manner. A doctor was summoned and he came to the house. (Now as incredible and improbable as this next part is.....this is what Daddy said, and what he apparently believed.) Since the doctor suspected that Savannah had been poisoned, he decided to do an autopsy. He opened her abdomen and removed her stomach, which he set aside in some sort of container......a pan, Daddy said. Then he proceeded to do his duty.....which was to prepare the body for burial. When he was finished and went to look for Savannah's "stomach," it had disappeared, and never was found. Daddy said the "hired girl" was suspected of having deliberately poisoned my grandmother. Now, whether or not Daddy's version of what happened is exactly correct, one thing seems pretty certain. And that is that he spent his life believing his mother had been murdered. As he aged and became somewhat senile, he became afraid that someone might put poison in his food, and I believe that is a very normal reaction in an aging mind to a childhood trauma. The fact is, I think Savannah died from accidental poisoning. I read a book on Indiana history a few years ago that spoke of a weed that grew wild in that state. A weed that cattle liked to feed on. That weed didn't bother the cow, but it poisoned the milk for human consumption. The book went on to say that since most milk was drank by children and nursing mothers in the last century, there was a number of deaths in those categories before the cause was discovered and the weed was eradicated. I think this was probably the cause of her death. Whether Savannah's death was accidental or deliberate, it seems reasonable to me to expect that there would have been an investigation of some sort, yet I've found no information about it in either Adams or Howard County. As far as I've been able to figure out, there was no newspaper story about it.....although I can't know that for sure sine I don't have a real good idea of WHEN her death occurred. My best guess is that it was sometime between 1891 and 1900 since she was definitely still alive in 1890 and any time after 1900 my father would have been old enough not to be placed in an orphanage. I've posted this story on several lists, so you may have read it before. I sent a letter to a person in Howard County last fall who was said to probably have information about where the old sheriff's records might be stored, but he never responded to the letter. The Kokomo genealogy librarian has searched through the records she has available which apparently include the old newspaper records, and she has found nothing. I was in Adams County a few years ago and searched courthouse records and death records.......nothing! I feel like I'm at a dead end on this, yet I feel so sure that this woman did not die without it being noted somewhere. So, does anyone have a hint on where I could look next? I've been looking for a death record for this lady for YEARS so any hint or idea someone might come up with would be appreciated. Thank You. Julie

I recently discovered I have a half sister that I and my brothers never knew about. Apparently our father got a girl pregnant when he was a teenager working out west in 1932-33. We think it was in the Colorado area but it could have been any state in the northern part of the West. The baby was a girl who we think was born in 1933 or 34 and we think might have been named Elizabeth. We don't know the name of the mother. My father was William Evan Hughes (Bill) of SW Iowa. His parents received a picture and letter after the birth but these things have been misplaced over the years. Most of the family including my father is now gone. They never talked about it and none of the next generation knew nothing about it till recently. We would like to find this half sister so we can get to know her. Any help would be appreciated. Scott

Hi Joseph - I heard of a similar story just this past summer when I was trying to obtain some information from the cemetery where many of my Catholic French Canadian ancestors are buried. We were talking about the space limitations in the cemetery, when the cem. employee casually mentioned that there was a book listing all of the names of the people who were originally buried in the non-blessed of the cemetery. She said that they were mostly babies who had died before being baptised, and therefore could not be buried within the blessed area of the cemetery. These burials occurred about 1880- 1900's, but in recent times, all of the bodies had been relocated within the cemetery proper. As far as I know, none of them have headstones. Also, I never asked if a priest performed the burial service. This particular cemetery is called Notre Dame in Pawtucket, RI It is associated with the Notre Dame church in Central Falls RI. You should try contacting the church historian of the diocese that covers the area your cemetery is located in. He may be able to tell you about the practices back then pertaining to people who did not *meet all the requirements* to be buried in a Catholic cemetery. I think that the name *devil's corner* pretty well sums up the attitude toward *lapsed catholics* by the practicing church members of that era. You might also try some funeral homes in the area. Someone there may know about that practice, even if they can't help you with your particular ancestor. For what it's worth, there was a discussion on the Northeast list about 6 months ago on employing the technique of dowsing to locate graves. Best of luck in locating your ancestor's burial location. Lisa [email protected] researching GABORIAULT DIT LAPALME On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:13:55 -0600 Martha Meyer <[email protected]> writes >I ahve an ancestor who apparently quit attending the catholic church >he was brought up in and when he died it has been said he was buried >without a coffin and in the late afternoon or early evening by some >of his neighbors some of them were not catholic in what was then called >the devils corner of the catholic cemetery, Since the priest did not >perform the burial there were no records in his book, also no records kept of >that part of cemetery, the church does not agree that such a spot >existed but old timers said it did, this was in early 1900s to 1940s, >how many others have experienced this problem and how does one locate >such a grave to place a marker on it? > >Joseph meyer ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

"Broken Compensation" sounds like "being out of work for a period of time." I've never known anyone to die from this, but I suppose it could make life difficult! I think you refer to "Consumption," which was an old name for TB. Darrell, Minnesota ---Shaliko <[email protected]> wrote: > > Has anyone ever heard of Broken Compensation. I had a relative die of this > in the late 1800's > Sandy P > > > ==== GEN-UNSOLVED-MYSTERIES Mailing List ==== > To contact the owner use, [email protected] > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com