for me, it was a very interesting read, particularily once i got to page 70, and the research kim torney had done around griston hall and the legend. especially the bit about how the story concerns the griston family. kim's research helps to confirm my family's aural tradition. moreover, kim's research also explores the spread of the legend. which also seems to be following the migration of the assorted gristons i've been tracking. the first known griston to north america arrived in 1634 and spread through the colony there. the first known griston arrival in aus was in 1851, with the story becoming a play in 1866 there. also, the griston surname pops up in the 1700's in france and germany. the brothers grimm publish hansel and gretel in the early 1800's. my research is also showing that sir walter scott may have also known of the griston involvement/legend. walter is inlaw/collateral to some descendants of griston hall. his poem, marmion..from which the famous quote.. oh what a web we weave when we first practice to decieve..is found involves a knight (marmion) which is also a de grey variant, and the knight's quest for lady clare. griston hall was held by in the honour of clare. further the mortimers held the honour of clare. edward iv and richard iii inherited the british throne via the mortimer bloodline. walter also wrote a book called anne of grierstein. it is from this book the term the wars of the roses was coined...moreover the story is of two men who betray edward iv, and flee to grisson, in the swiss alps. grisson is also a variant spelling of griston. greirstein is also pretty darn close too..:-)) finding this thesis on line has been great. i'm now trying to make contact with the author to see if s/he would be interested in comparing their research to mine. kim has also published this thesis in a book called babes in the bush. sorry i can't help you with the movies you mentioned. i've not seen them..i've been too busy researching the legend from the griston perspective. btw..i've finally listed 3 of my subdivided properties for sale..england is getting closer..:-)). it's sure been a long haul. later roz On Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:02 PM, Howard Fuller [SMTP:howard.fuller@ntlworld.com] wrote: > Thanks for that link, Roz. The thesis is a bit heavy reading but it > is > fascinating to realise that the 'Babes in the Woods' story is so old > and > that it has such significance for Australian culture. > > The author mentioned a number of similar stories, some of which have > been made into films, including "Rabbit Proof Fence" which we were > watching only the other evening; we had taped it when it was on TV > some > months ago. That film reminded me of an earlier one called > "Walkabout" > which, if I remember correctly, had Jenny Agutter and David > Gallipolil > (sp) in it. He was also the Aboriginal tracker in "Rabbit Proof > Fence". > > Now, can anyone help me to track down the memory of another similar > film? I saw it on TV something like 20 years ago, I think. The story > is > set in New Zealand or possibly Tasmania in the mid-19th Century. A > young > settler girl of about 10 runs away from home when fighting breaks out > around it. She meets up with a native woman who is largely > indifferent > to her presence but nevertheless shows her how to survive. They > travel > the bush for several months... I forget how, but the girl returns to > her > home. Now thoroughly able to look after herself, her family has > trouble > accepting her independence, fearing 'assimilation'. Does anyone > remember > this story? > > Howie > > > > well..one link leads to another. not really sure how i ended up > > here...but some one has written a docorate thesis on lost children > > and > > legends. > > > > included are comparisons to life/living in england vs aus, as well > > as > > north american colonial life. more on aus/eng tho. quite an > > interesting > > read. > > > > http://eprints.unimelb.edu.au/archive/00000767/ > > > > you can access the thesis on the above url. i'm not sure if the one > > below will work. > > later > > roz > > > > > > http://eprints.infodiv.unimelb.edu.au/archive/00000767/01/final_phd.d > > oc > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-TRIVIA- > > ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-TRIVIA-ENG- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message