Great relief over the shoes!! Umm, was there more than one airbase at Gloucester? I'll have to look at the death certificate. His death is not clear as the death certificate entry is ambiguous and Mick, his son, was told that he was killed during a raid over Germany so without getting involved with the PRO records. He may have been moved to Cirencester after the war as part of the CWC's setting up of the commemorative cemeteries, perhaps he was originally buried on the base. If Family involvement was needed re a memorial entry then he may well have not been included anywhere, I think that by then he only had a father and no strong 'home town' roots. I know that during WWI, all the regiments got very mixed up as survivors were re-allocated to different regiments to make up their strengths and later volunteers also got allocated to where men were needed rather than their local' regiment. msb www.pagetdesigns.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- All outgoing emails scanned by Norton Antivirus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Miriam Glad the shoes were found and am sure you are happy that you have more freedom now!!! I didn't realise that you were going to Cirencester - we used to live on the outskirts in Startton - 'twas where we lived where Fiona and Paul was born. I think War Memorials are for the men of the town. I wonder why his grave was in Cirencester if he was at Gloucester during the War. Which base was he on? Liz -------Original Message------- From: Miriam B Date: 06/16/06 13:57:43 To: Trivvies Subject: {not a subscriber} I am here really - CWC graves and a Question I've been lurking since Wednesday as it's been hectic being back, if reunions weren't so much fun, it wouldn't be worth the hassle getting on & off island!! THE SHOES WERE FOUND!!!!!!! So that's me out of the dog-house - phew!! The cemetery in Cirencester has absolutely NO signs to it, not even at the end of the road off the piece of dual carriageway. Nor did it have any plan/map. However, as they are so bright white, CWC graves do rather stand out. Over to the nearest corner, not a very big group and Farren wasn't there. Saw a few more - they were the Polish Catholic airmen. Found a dog walker who cheered us up immensely by pointing out that it was a 4-acre plot!! However, she pointed us to another set and lo, there he was. The very bright sun on the very white stone rather means that the photo doesn't show the inscription very well. We also spotted some graves that were dotted amongst the non-CWC but when we looked at those, they were from WWI, so perhaps their stones were put up later wherever the grave already were whilst the WWII must have been deliberately put together. Don't know why there were 2 groups in addition to the Catholic group though - pity we weren't there on a weekday when the office was open, the probably could have told us. Now to the question. The war memorial in the town church didn't include his name. We think that it may have been because he wasn't a Cirencester man, just based at Gloucester with the RAF. Might we expect to find it on the memorial for his home town?? or is that chancy. I know he met his wife in Bristol and hailed from Liverpool although was probably in the Midlands pre-war so might he have been missed or did the authorities get everyone 'assigned' to somewhere? Anyone know how these memorials got their lists? <hugs> Miriam www.pagetdesigns.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- All outgoing emails scanned by Norton Antivirus. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/364 - Release Date: 14/06/2006

Gosh that time has gone quickly Dave....did she get to see Johno on this trip?? DiDi http://photobucket.com/albums/d100/didi_45 Mother has left the building....... many thanks to all who helped Mum whilst she was on holiday. Love and hugs Dave, Pam and Nikki ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Comparison stories between Countries are always most welcome. These help to make the list interesting as well as educational.

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Miriam, Not all names were put on memorials. Nor were they necessarily in the service man's home town if they were. As an example: my grandad's cousin was killed in 1915. He was born in Folkestone (I have a copy of his birth cert.)& brought up in Ramsgate. However, when he enlisted in the army, for some reason he not only enlisted in Wales, he also said he was born in Wales & so he went into the 1st Welsh regiment. His name is on the memorial in the Welsh village & also in Loos Cemetery, but it isn't on the Folkestone or Ramsgate memorial. I believe the names of the fallen were asked for & only went onto memorials if they were supplied by the family. Glad to hear about THE SHOES, by the way !!! I bet Irene is thrilled & you're relieved !!! :o) Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent, UK. Your county needs YOU !!! http://FreeCEN.rootsweb.com Looking for ancestors in Kent ? Try: http://www.kent-opc.org.uk/ www.lawrence.eastkentgenealogy.co.uk Now to the question. The war memorial in the town church didn't include his name. We think that it may have been because he wasn't a Cirencester man, just based at Gloucester with the RAF. Might we expect to find it on the memorial for his home town?? or is that chancy. I know he met his wife in Bristol and hailed from Liverpool although was probably in the Midlands pre-war so might he have been missed or did the authorities get everyone 'assigned' to somewhere? Anyone know how these memorials got their lists? <hugs> Miriam www.pagetdesigns.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- All outgoing emails scanned by Norton Antivirus. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others.

For some strange reason - Miriam was subbed & then she wasn't .. :-) ..... I didn't get any bounce mails --- oh well - you are there now Miriam ... :-)))) Sue -------Original Message------- From: Miriam B Date: 06/16/06 13:57:43 To: Trivvies Subject: {not a subscriber} I am here really - CWC graves and a Question I've been lurking since Wednesday as it's been hectic being back, if reunions weren't so much fun, it wouldn't be worth the hassle getting on & off island!! THE SHOES WERE FOUND!!!!!!! So that's me out of the dog-house - phew!! The cemetery in Cirencester has absolutely NO signs to it, not even at the end of the road off the piece of dual carriageway. Nor did it have any plan/map. However, as they are so bright white, CWC graves do rather stand out. Over to the nearest corner, not a very big group and Farren wasn't there. Saw a few more - they were the Polish Catholic airmen. Found a dog walker who cheered us up immensely by pointing out that it was a 4-acre plot!! However, she pointed us to another set and lo, there he was. The very bright sun on the very white stone rather means that the photo doesn't show the inscription very well. We also spotted some graves that were dotted amongst the non-CWC but when we looked at those, they were from WWI, so perhaps their stones were put up later wherever the grave already were whilst the WWII must have been deliberately put together. Don't know why there were 2 groups in addition to the Catholic group though - pity we weren't there on a weekday when the office was open, the probably could have told us. Now to the question. The war memorial in the town church didn't include his name. We think that it may have been because he wasn't a Cirencester man, just based at Gloucester with the RAF. Might we expect to find it on the memorial for his home town?? or is that chancy. I know he met his wife in Bristol and hailed from Liverpool although was probably in the Midlands pre-war so might he have been missed or did the authorities get everyone 'assigned' to somewhere? Anyone know how these memorials got their lists? <hugs> Miriam www.pagetdesigns.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- All outgoing emails scanned by Norton Antivirus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mother has left the building....... many thanks to all who helped Mum whilst she was on holiday. Love and hugs Dave, Pam and Nikki

poor mother..i just heard the weather report for her area upon return. at least 30C, high humidity, ergo it will feel like 40C. i think it is save to say she will be wilting and sweltering. roz..who does not do heat and humidity. p.s. kev became a grandpa at 12.53 am. his dau, vanessa had a little boy. 6lbs 8oz, loads of hair. he will either be called wyatt or joshua. On Friday, June 16, 2006 1:40 AM, david cox [SMTP:bigdavecox@ntlworld.com] wrote: > Mother has left the building....... many thanks to all who helped Mum > whilst she was on holiday. > > Love and hugs > Dave, Pam and Nikki > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== > RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST > Comparison stories between Countries are always most welcome. These > help to make the list interesting as well as educational. >

Jean, how would John feel about spoken word books ? You can get them on CD or tape. You can even download some books for free from the internet & burn them to disc or keep on your hard drive. Maybe that would help him. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent, UK. Your county needs YOU !!! http://FreeCEN.rootsweb.com Looking for ancestors in Kent ? Try: http://www.kent-opc.org.uk/ www.lawrence.eastkentgenealogy.co.uk Hi Marlene... thanks for your report on the reunion.............I'd forgotten that Karen and Mark would encounter the same traffic problems, travelling from the south east. What a nightmare journey.Glad everyone had such a good time once at the venue.....and I wasn't bored, Karen. You asked after John and I must say that his condition has improved over the past couple of months, now that he has accepted it. Unfortunately he has developed cataracts in both eyes so is unable to read much at the moment and that has always been his greatest enjoyment. He sees a specialist on Monday, so we will hear what he has to say. Many hugs Jean Oz ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Remember - Our "todays" ups & downs of life, are "tomorrows" Ancestral Trivia.

From The Times, Wednesday, Jan 12, 1820, posted with permission of the transcriber, Petra Michinson. Geo. CHARITABLE DONATIONS. ------------------ Amongst numerous benefactions in Carlisle we have the pleasure to state, that several ladies have associated for the purpose of superintending the making and distribution of soup gratuitously among the necessitous, who, we lament to add, form no small portion of our population. The Earl of CARLISLE has, with his usual goodness at this inclement season, distributed 150 cart-loads of coals amongst the poor householders in Brampton. The Rev. Thomas RAMSHAY, vicar of Brampton, has made a handsome donation of oatmeal to the poor housekeepers of the parish under his care. The inhabitants of Penrith, we are happy to learn, commiserating the distressed state of many of the necessitous in that town, have entered into a very liberal subscription, (amounting, when our account left, to the sum of 170L.,) with which they intend to purchase coals, &c., amongst them weekly, as long as the amount remains unexpended. The Rev. Tovey JOLIFFE, Rector of Skelton, whose benevolence we have had occasion so often to notice, has, during the present inclement season, distributed amongst the poorer class of his parishioners 36 loads of coals. Our limits will not allow us to particularize the various acts of charity of this excellent divine during the last year. We shall merely mention that he made presents of a number of Bibles, Prayer-books, and New Whole Duties of Man, to the young of both sexes; and at Christmas distributed upwards of 20st. of excellent beef, besides a weekly supply of soup. The trustees appointed by the will of the late Mrs. SCOTT, of Workington, met on New-year's day, in the vestry-room of the church there, and paid (according to the will) an annuity of 40s. to each of 16 poor women, residents in that town. The day before Christmas-day, the Earl of MOUNT-EDGECUMBE made his usual yearly donation of 1,500 weight of beef, 300 loaves of bread, and several pounds in silver, amongst 200 or 300 persons. - Carlisle Journal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Petra

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From the Whitehaven News - Thursday, October 14, 1869, posted with permission of the transcriber, Diane Moore. Geo. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A Sure Cure ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If we are to credit the Philadelphia North American, no citizen of the United States need languish in extreme incurable pain. He may get himself killed out of hand. The Philadelphia journal says : -- "A little girl, twelve years of age, living in the Nineteenth Ward, was nipped in the finger by a dog, on the afternoon of July 12. Her name was Georgina M'CREADY. Three days ago she was seized by the premonitions of hydrophobia. The most distinguished of the profession of medicine were called to her rescue. By her sanction, with that of friends, relatives, and all to whom the life of the child was dear, her sufferings were stayed by the merciful interposition of poison." ~~~~~~~~~~~~

From the Whitehaven News - Thursday, October 14, 1869, posted with permission of the transcriber, Diane Moore. Geo. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dreadful Accident on the Midland Railway ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A dreadful accident occurred on the Mid- land Railway, between Nottingham and Derby, at an early hour on Sunday morning. Saturday being the last day of the Goose Fair at Notting- ham, the Midland Railway Company ran a number of special trains to that town from Lei- cester, Derby, Burton, Erewash Valley, and other places, to return at a late hour in the evening. The last "special" to leave Notting- ham, on the return journey, was one for Leices- ter, and it started, heavily freighted -- 35 car- riages -- about midnight. The train had go a little beyond Attenborough, and within a short distance of Trent Junction, when the driver found that the line was blocked by a luggage train (which seems to have met with an acci- dent), and at the rear of it was the Burton special. The Leicester train was brought to a stand, and directly afterwards, and before the guards had time to go down the line to stop ap- proaching trains, the mail train from Notting- ham to Trent came up at full speed and dashed into the Leicester "special". The collision was of the most fearful character, seven persons being killed on the spot, and several others dreadfully injured, two or three beyond hope of recovery. The night being dark and foggy, and the scene away from a railway station, it was some time before any assistance could be rendered. Mr. CARR, surgeon, Long Eaton, was the first to arrive, and he was followed by Dr. ROBERTSON, of Nottingham. Mr. S. W. FEARN, the com- pany's surgeon at Derby, was telegraphed for, and he arrived about three o'clock, accompanied by Mr. WRIGHT, surgeon, and Mr. GENTLES, surgeon, of Derby; and Mr. PARKER, assistant to Mr. FRANCIS, surgeon of Derby. The accident occurring in the county of Derby, the seven dead persons were conveyed to Trent Station for identification and to await the coro- ner's inquiry. Mr. FEARN and the other sur- geons then turned their attention to the injured passengers. It was found that there were five serious cases, and these passengers were con- veyed, accompanied by the surgeons, to the Derby Infirmary, where they now lie. The driver and stoker of the mail train were not in- jured, nor were the passengers by that train. Exertions were at once commenced to clear the line; the work, however, was not completed until about three o'clock. Several of the car- riages were smashed. It is mentioned as an extraordinary circumstance that the shock was not felt in the fifth carriage from the carriage run into by the mail train, and the people were laughing and singing songs after the accident had occurred, not knowing why the train had stopped. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Marlene... thanks for your report on the reunion.............I'd forgotten that Karen and Mark would encounter the same traffic problems, travelling from the south east. What a nightmare journey.Glad everyone had such a good time once at the venue.....and I wasn't bored, Karen. You asked after John and I must say that his condition has improved over the past couple of months, now that he has accepted it. Unfortunately he has developed cataracts in both eyes so is unable to read much at the moment and that has always been his greatest enjoyment. He sees a specialist on Monday, so we will hear what he has to say. Many hugs Jean Oz

I'm so glad you all had a lovely time despite the traffic delays and lack of sign-posts. Hugs to all ... Lizzie -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer [mailto:slyfoxx@shaw.ca] Sent: 14 June 2006 17:09 To: GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TRIVVIES] Reunion part 2 Not bored in the least, Karen . . . but my fingernails need a bit of a manicure now LOL Apart from the driving stresses it sounded a wonderful weekend . . . and I loved everyone's photos on MyFamily. Wish I could have joined you all. Hugs, Jennifer KAREN HILLS wrote: > > then we saw signs that said the M25 was shut from 6 - 5.. No surprise there then given all the other travel fun and games. We thought about the A25 but decided to chance it. We were lucky it had reopened by the time we got there and we picked the children up about 8pm. > > A wonderful weekend and then back to reality with a bump on Monday morning with the school run. > > hope i haven't bored you too much > > Karen > > > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Remember - Our "todays" ups & downs of life, are "tomorrows" Ancestral Trivia.

Hi Jennifer, I made his a little cake, at this coming week end we are going out about 30 in all for his birthday lunch and a big choc cake 14 x14. Ian said to thank you very much. Ian and Jill It's still the 13th here in Canada . . .. so I'm *not* late yet <grin> Hope it was a Happy day, Ian (pssst . . . did Jill bake you a yummy cake?) Jennifer david cox wrote: > Happy Birthday Ian (Jills Partner) 13/06/06 > > we hope you have a good one > > Marlene, Dave, Pam and Nikki > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Today's Memories will be of interest to our Descendants. But for this to happen they need to be told. This List is here for just this to happen.

Not boring at all Karen.......but I was in panic mode all through lol DiDi http://photobucket.com/albums/d100/didi_45 Sunday dawned and off to breakfast we went. Mark thoroughly enjoyed his fry-up. I was more restrained with special k and toast - plus i was leaving room for my roast dinner. We checked out..i wonder what the hotel people thought of all the empty bottles in our room..wish I'd been a fly on the wall. I hated saying goodbye to Liz and Peter and Pat and Shaun. Must confess to the odd watery eye. Now we had to be at winchcombe station for the 10:40 train so off we went via Tewksbury to pick up Marlene and Linda. I must confess that when i saw their luggage my heart sank a little..i didn't think there'd be enough room in the boot of my little Mazda but some creative packing by Mark and Linda's willingness to wear my balloons from the night before solved the problem. off we went following the route Andy had told us and aided by a map given to Marlene by her landlady. Trouble is they aren't really keen on accurate signposts in this part of the world...We found the little brown steam train signs and got all excited as we pulled into the station car park at about 10.10.......only to discover we were at Toddington station and not winchcombe...Dagnabit the hunt was on for winchcombe station. Andy had said in passing that winchcombe station was really in the village of Greet so when we saw a sign for Greet we hurtled up the road to discover...no station. Back out on the winchcombe road and no signposts, no little brown steam train signs and worst of all..no mobile phone signal to ring the others and ask for directions. Every so often we'd get a signal, mark would ring Sue's number, pass the phone to me only for the signal to disappear. after 2 lots of this we concluded only Mark's side of the car could receive a signal but not for long enough to be any help. By now its nearly 10.20 and i am getting concerned to say the least. found a nice little man who didn't really know where the station was but directed us to Greet Road because he'd heard that there was some sort of train thing up that way. We were back on track, if you'll pardon the pun. The roads were very narrow and heavily parked so took a wrong turn, panicking now i backtracked and went up greet road like a bat out of hell...we made it to the station with only minutes to spare.. we quickly got out of the car, ran hell for leather for the ticket office to discover Wolfie had kindly got our tickets to save time. the relief was amazing, as was the realisation that on this day of all days the train was running late... just about par for the travels of the whole weekend really LOL. The Steam train was certainly that in more ways than one... steam plumed out of the funnel and we all steamed inside the carriages. The scenery was lovely as was the chance for more chit chat. Back to winchcombe, and lunch at the corner cupboard. Now directions to this were minimal, "it's on the main road through the town and it comes out to the edge of the pavement". I expected this to turn into another hunt of "holy Grail" type proportions but in 5 minutes there it was and we grabbed the last place in the car park. Inside for a nice refreshing Diet coke, except the air machine packed up and there was no coke or lemonade..ho hum here we go again. Lunch when it came was absolutely delicious. The roast beef was perfect, there were a couple of vegetable dishes done with leeks, peas and red cabbage that were really tasty. mind you Gwen's prawn salad looked really nice too.. I resisted the puddings.... It had been lovely to see Howie and Bron and Gwen and Nick again as well as our partners in crime from the precious night but 4 o'clock came and we had to leave to make it back in time to pick the kids up from greg. Hugs all round and more watery eyes and we were on the road again. Howie gave us a route that took us up to junction 9 on the M40 and we avoided the Oxford problem that way.. Howie's route was very pretty and added about 20 minutes to the journey which was worth it to avoid the delays at oxford. once on the M40 all went well. we dropped Marlene and Linda off, had a lightning chat with Dave and then we were off again as it was after 6pm and we had a fair way to go. then we saw signs that said the M25 was shut from 6 - 5.. No surprise there then given all the other travel fun and games. We thought about the A25 but decided to chance it. We were lucky it had reopened by the time we got there and we picked the children up about 8pm. A wonderful weekend and then back to reality with a bump on Monday morning with the school run. hope i haven't bored you too much Karen ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Comparison stories between Countries are always most welcome. These help to make the list interesting as well as educational.

rather a large <snip> A wonderful weekend and then back to reality with a bump on Monday morning with the school run. hope i haven't bored you too much Karen errrrrrrrrrrrrm you forgot about the phonecall <g> Love and Hugs John xxxxx _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview