HAPPY BIRTHDAY Linda I hope you have a lovely day (((((hugs)))) I've not had a signal for a few days, so I've not seen any messages ..... sooooo I'd like to wish Happy Birthday to all those I've missed Hugs John xxxx There is a young lady from Utah Happy Birthday Linda M Lots of love and hugs Dave, Pam and Nikki _________________________________________________________________ Download the new Windows Live Toolbar, including Desktop search! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-gb

Don't forget to check OurFamily.com, I've put a few photos there, including one of Linda Murtaugh! Glennis Jenny Kingsbury <jenk1951@ntlworld.com> wrote: Happy Birthday Linda from me too. Jenny K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Himmelsbach" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: [TRIVVIES] Happy Birthday > Linda hope you have a very Happy Birthday--enjoy yourself--do something > you want to do. That is within reason and the law. > Jean USA > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== > RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST > Remember - this list is only as good as you, the Lister, make it. If you > don't post, then it's no fun at all. :-) > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others.

Yes I find them very interesting and I keep quite a lot of them in a separate file. Maggie ----- Original Message ---- From: Geo. <bargeo@aapt.net.au> To: GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 14 August, 2006 5:28:48 AM Subject: [TRIVVIES] Re: From the KENDAL TIMES, Saturday, December 4, 1869 /MASTERSAND SERVANTS Thank you, Edna. I'm pleased to know that someone else finds them interesting too. They do tend to put the life and times of our ancestors into perspective don't they? <g> Geo. HI Geo. Thank you very much for going to the trouble of posting these transcriptions. I appreciate them. Edna Posted with permission of the transcriber, Barb. Baker. Geo. MASTERS AND SERVANTS DEMAND AND SUPPLY IN PRACTICE..............PART II Let us now push our inquiry a step further. Let us suppose that all servants profiting at last by the good advice to which they have always been liberalie treated, have by a strenuous effort raised themselves to a pitch of efficiency never before witnessed. According to the theory that merit will always be rewarded, the wages of these servants ought to rise in proportion. But they won't. If, other things remaining the same, all servants were to double their efficiency within the next ten years; the result would be a fall in the rate of wages. For one man would then do as much as two men do at present, and consequently fewer hands would be wanted. A large number would thus be thrown out of employment altogether, and the pressure of competition would lower the wages of those employed to the very lowest point at which bare existence is possible. Or if we suppose that the work to be done increases as fast as the efficiency of those who do it, wages would still remain stationary. Imagine a man whose labour in common with that of all his fellow-servants throughout the country has doubled in efficiency. Suppose that he goes to his master and claims increase of wages on the ground that his labour is more profitable. His master would reply - "I know very well that your labour is better than it used to be, but you are not singular in that respect. It is an age of progress, everybody is better than he used to be, but it doesn't follow that everybody is to be better off. You must remember that the price of work is not regulated by its efficiency or by the wants of the workman, but only by the quantity that happens to be in the market. At present the market is overstocked; if you leave to-morrow I can get dozens of superior workmen like yourself to take your place for your present wages, perhaps for less. Go back to your work and learn to be content with the position in which Providence has placed you - you will find it best." That would be the real substance of the answer though perhaps it might not be quite so candidly spoken; and the servant would have to digest it as best he could. >From the foregoing we may learn the following things....... 1st Honest work always has its reward, but it by no means follows that the man who did the work will get the reward. Generally speaking he has to be content with a small part of it. 2nd A good servant will not command a high wage merely because he is good, nor will a bad one always be poorly paid because he is bad. But a man will be well-paid if he is better than others, and ill-paid if he is worse than others. So that a bad servant may actually command better wages than a good one, merely because he is surrounded by servants as bad as himself. 3rd It is not at all to the interest of servants to increase the efficiency of their work; on the contrary it makes the struggle for existence harder for the weak and unskilful without conferring any benefit upon the average, though increasing for a time and only for a time the wages of a few superior ones. Hence the rule of trades-unions against too much work. 4th Every good servant that appears, diminishes the reward of good service by making it more easily got. Hence the objection of trade-unions to apprentices. 5th and lastly Competition among servants if suicidal folly; and can have in the long run no effect but to enable masters to screw down the general rate of wages. Its temporary effect is to give some servants better wages than the average; but their increase is taken from their fellow servants, not from their masters. Competition among servants never adds a single penny to the total amount of wages; on the contrary it is the most powerful instrument at the command of capitalists for keeping wages down. Hence trade-unionism; which, be it right or wrong, is an inevitable result of the law of demand and supply. VINDEX. ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Remember - this list is only as good as you, the Lister, make it. If you don't post, then it's no fun at all. :-)

Happy birthday on the 15th Linda!! I hear you had a nice time meeting Glennis & C.T recently....hope you have a good birthday too!! (((((((((((((((Birthday hugs))))))))))))))) Gwen xx > Linda hope you have a very Happy Birthday--enjoy yourself--do something > you want to do. That is within reason and the law. > Jean USA > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== > RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST > Remember - this list is only as good as you, the Lister, make it. If you > don't post, then it's no fun at all. :-) >

Happy Birthday Linda :) Have a good day DiDi http://photobucket.com/albums/d100/didi_45 ) There is a young lady from Utah Happy Birthday Linda M Lots of love and hugs Dave, Pam and Nikki ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Remember - this list is only as good as you, the Lister, make it. If you don't post, then it's no fun at all. :-)

Have a great day Linda. Happy Birthday. Jean Oz > There is a young lady from Utah > Happy Birthday Linda M > > Lots of love and hugs > Dave, Pam and Nikki > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== > RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST > Remember - this list is only as good as you, the Lister, make it. If you > don't post, then it's no fun at all. :-) > >

Linda hope you have a very Happy Birthday--enjoy yourself--do something you want to do. That is within reason and the law. Jean USA

I do too, Geo, and although I don't always have time to read all of them, I don't delete them straight away. Jean in Perth > HI Geo. > Thank you very much for going to the trouble of posting these > transcriptions. I appreciate them. > Edna

Thank you, Edna. I'm pleased to know that someone else finds them interesting too. They do tend to put the life and times of our ancestors into perspective don't they? <g> Geo. HI Geo. Thank you very much for going to the trouble of posting these transcriptions. I appreciate them. Edna Posted with permission of the transcriber, Barb. Baker. Geo. MASTERS AND SERVANTS DEMAND AND SUPPLY IN PRACTICE..............PART II Let us now push our inquiry a step further. Let us suppose that all servants profiting at last by the good advice to which they have always been liberalie treated, have by a strenuous effort raised themselves to a pitch of efficiency never before witnessed. According to the theory that merit will always be rewarded, the wages of these servants ought to rise in proportion. But they won't. If, other things remaining the same, all servants were to double their efficiency within the next ten years; the result would be a fall in the rate of wages. For one man would then do as much as two men do at present, and consequently fewer hands would be wanted. A large number would thus be thrown out of employment altogether, and the pressure of competition would lower the wages of those employed to the very lowest point at which bare existence is possible. Or if we suppose that the work to be done increases as fast as the efficiency of those who do it, wages would still remain stationary. Imagine a man whose labour in common with that of all his fellow-servants throughout the country has doubled in efficiency. Suppose that he goes to his master and claims increase of wages on the ground that his labour is more profitable. His master would reply - "I know very well that your labour is better than it used to be, but you are not singular in that respect. It is an age of progress, everybody is better than he used to be, but it doesn't follow that everybody is to be better off. You must remember that the price of work is not regulated by its efficiency or by the wants of the workman, but only by the quantity that happens to be in the market. At present the market is overstocked; if you leave to-morrow I can get dozens of superior workmen like yourself to take your place for your present wages, perhaps for less. Go back to your work and learn to be content with the position in which Providence has placed you - you will find it best." That would be the real substance of the answer though perhaps it might not be quite so candidly spoken; and the servant would have to digest it as best he could. >From the foregoing we may learn the following things....... 1st Honest work always has its reward, but it by no means follows that the man who did the work will get the reward. Generally speaking he has to be content with a small part of it. 2nd A good servant will not command a high wage merely because he is good, nor will a bad one always be poorly paid because he is bad. But a man will be well-paid if he is better than others, and ill-paid if he is worse than others. So that a bad servant may actually command better wages than a good one, merely because he is surrounded by servants as bad as himself. 3rd It is not at all to the interest of servants to increase the efficiency of their work; on the contrary it makes the struggle for existence harder for the weak and unskilful without conferring any benefit upon the average, though increasing for a time and only for a time the wages of a few superior ones. Hence the rule of trades-unions against too much work. 4th Every good servant that appears, diminishes the reward of good service by making it more easily got. Hence the objection of trade-unions to apprentices. 5th and lastly Competition among servants if suicidal folly; and can have in the long run no effect but to enable masters to screw down the general rate of wages. Its temporary effect is to give some servants better wages than the average; but their increase is taken from their fellow servants, not from their masters. Competition among servants never adds a single penny to the total amount of wages; on the contrary it is the most powerful instrument at the command of capitalists for keeping wages down. Hence trade-unionism; which, be it right or wrong, is an inevitable result of the law of demand and supply. VINDEX. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

Happy Birthday from me as well..have fun Wendy

There is a young lady from Utah Happy Birthday Linda M Lots of love and hugs Dave, Pam and Nikki

A daring young woman from Utah Was tooting a tune on a hooter. She used to trapeze With the greatest of ease But now spends her time on the 'puter Toot your horn and CELEBRATE, Linda. Have a great day. Jennifer xx

Posted with permission of the transcriber, Barb. Baker. Geo. MASTERS AND SERVANTS DEMAND AND SUPPLY IN PRACTICE..............PART II Let us now push our inquiry a step further. Let us suppose that all servants profiting at last by the good advice to which they have always been liberalie treated, have by a strenuous effort raised themselves to a pitch of efficiency never before witnessed. According to the theory that merit will always be rewarded, the wages of these servants ought to rise in proportion. But they won't. If, other things remaining the same, all servants were to double their efficiency within the next ten years; the result would be a fall in the rate of wages. For one man would then do as much as two men do at present, and consequently fewer hands would be wanted. A large number would thus be thrown out of employment altogether, and the pressure of competition would lower the wages of those employed to the very lowest point at which bare existence is possible. Or if we suppose that the work to be done increases as fast as the efficiency of those who do it, wages would still remain stationary. Imagine a man whose labour in common with that of all his fellow-servants throughout the country has doubled in efficiency. Suppose that he goes to his master and claims increase of wages on the ground that his labour is more profitable. His master would reply - "I know very well that your labour is better than it used to be, but you are not singular in that respect. It is an age of progress, everybody is better than he used to be, but it doesn't follow that everybody is to be better off. You must remember that the price of work is not regulated by its efficiency or by the wants of the workman, but only by the quantity that happens to be in the market. At present the market is overstocked; if you leave to-morrow I can get dozens of superior workmen like yourself to take your place for your present wages, perhaps for less. Go back to your work and learn to be content with the position in which Providence has placed you - you will find it best." That would be the real substance of the answer though perhaps it might not be quite so candidly spoken; and the servant would have to digest it as best he could. >From the foregoing we may learn the following things....... 1st Honest work always has its reward, but it by no means follows that the man who did the work will get the reward. Generally speaking he has to be content with a small part of it. 2nd A good servant will not command a high wage merely because he is good, nor will a bad one always be poorly paid because he is bad. But a man will be well-paid if he is better than others, and ill-paid if he is worse than others. So that a bad servant may actually command better wages than a good one, merely because he is surrounded by servants as bad as himself. 3rd It is not at all to the interest of servants to increase the efficiency of their work; on the contrary it makes the struggle for existence harder for the weak and unskilful without conferring any benefit upon the average, though increasing for a time and only for a time the wages of a few superior ones. Hence the rule of trades-unions against too much work. 4th Every good servant that appears, diminishes the reward of good service by making it more easily got. Hence the objection of trade-unions to apprentices. 5th and lastly Competition among servants if suicidal folly; and can have in the long run no effect but to enable masters to screw down the general rate of wages. Its temporary effect is to give some servants better wages than the average; but their increase is taken from their fellow servants, not from their masters. Competition among servants never adds a single penny to the total amount of wages; on the contrary it is the most powerful instrument at the command of capitalists for keeping wages down. Hence trade-unionism; which, be it right or wrong, is an inevitable result of the law of demand and supply. VINDEX. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

HI Geo. Thank you very much for going to the trouble of posting these transcriptions. I appreciate them. Edna ----- Original Message ----- From: Geo. To: GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: From the KENDAL TIMES, Saturday, December 4, 1869 / MASTERSAND SERVANTS Posted with permission of the transcriber, Barb. Baker. Geo. MASTERS AND SERVANTS DEMAND AND SUPPLY IN PRACTICE..............PART II Let us now push our inquiry a step further. Let us suppose that all servants profiting at last by the good advice to which they have always been liberalie treated, have by a strenuous effort raised themselves to a pitch of efficiency never before witnessed. According to the theory that merit will always be rewarded, the wages of these servants ought to rise in proportion. But they won't. If, other things remaining the same, all servants were to double their efficiency within the next ten years; the result would be a fall in the rate of wages. For one man would then do as much as two men do at present, and consequently fewer hands would be wanted. A large number would thus be thrown out of employment altogether, and the pressure of competition would lower the wages of those employed to the very lowest point at which bare existence is possible. Or if we suppose that the work to be done increases as fast as the efficiency of those who do it, wages would still remain stationary. Imagine a man whose labour in common with that of all his fellow-servants throughout the country has doubled in efficiency. Suppose that he goes to his master and claims increase of wages on the ground that his labour is more profitable. His master would reply - "I know very well that your labour is better than it used to be, but you are not singular in that respect. It is an age of progress, everybody is better than he used to be, but it doesn't follow that everybody is to be better off. You must remember that the price of work is not regulated by its efficiency or by the wants of the workman, but only by the quantity that happens to be in the market. At present the market is overstocked; if you leave to-morrow I can get dozens of superior workmen like yourself to take your place for your present wages, perhaps for less. Go back to your work and learn to be content with the position in which Providence has placed you - you will find it best." That would be the real substance of the answer though perhaps it might not be quite so candidly spoken; and the servant would have to digest it as best he could. >From the foregoing we may learn the following things....... 1st Honest work always has its reward, but it by no means follows that the man who did the work will get the reward. Generally speaking he has to be content with a small part of it. 2nd A good servant will not command a high wage merely because he is good, nor will a bad one always be poorly paid because he is bad. But a man will be well-paid if he is better than others, and ill-paid if he is worse than others. So that a bad servant may actually command better wages than a good one, merely because he is surrounded by servants as bad as himself. 3rd It is not at all to the interest of servants to increase the efficiency of their work; on the contrary it makes the struggle for existence harder for the weak and unskilful without conferring any benefit upon the average, though increasing for a time and only for a time the wages of a few superior ones. Hence the rule of trades-unions against too much work. 4th Every good servant that appears, diminishes the reward of good service by making it more easily got. Hence the objection of trade-unions to apprentices. 5th and lastly Competition among servants if suicidal folly; and can have in the long run no effect but to enable masters to screw down the general rate of wages. Its temporary effect is to give some servants better wages than the average; but their increase is taken from their fellow servants, not from their masters. Competition among servants never adds a single penny to the total amount of wages; on the contrary it is the most powerful instrument at the command of capitalists for keeping wages down. Hence trade-unionism; which, be it right or wrong, is an inevitable result of the law of demand and supply. VINDEX. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

That was the year my grandmother arrived in Sydney, aged 7! Val xx ----- Original Message ----- From: Geo. To: GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:30 AM Subject: [TRIVVIES] Distington School Log 1877 An interesting insight into school life in a rural community in 1877; http://www.cultrans.com/content/view/2184/93/ Geo. ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Comparison stories between Countries are always most welcome. These help to make the list interesting as well as educational. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/416 - Release Date: 10/08/2006

Miss Mary wishes to send heartfelt thanks to each and every one that have sent her birthday greetings. She wants you to know she had a quiet but enjoyable day and rather than have ordinary presents was quite satisfied to receive monetary gifts so that she could buy her own (and she enjoyed doing just that)!!! She has very much enjoyed seeing and reading the greetings and is amazed that she has managed to reach the ripe old age of 83. Still a bit to go to catch up with her husband though! Still he has got a head start. Once again many many thanks Johno

Posted with permission of the transcriber, 'Ann'. Geo. The West Cumberland Times, Saturday, Nov. 14, 1931. MARYPORT MAN FORCED TO HELP HIS PARENTS. ______ At Maryport Police Court yesterday an application for maintenance was brought against William DIXON, Buchanan's Terrace, Ellenborough, Maryport, in respect of Thomas DIXON, father of the defendant, who was poor and unable to maintain himself. Mr. J. MATTHEWS, Clerk to the Public Assistance Committee, Cockermouth, made the application and said the defendant's father was in receipt of 7/6 a week from the Committee and previously was receiving 5/- A son, living at home kept himself. Defendant had £3 a week on which to keep himself, a wife and a child. He applied for 2/6 a week to be levied on defendant towards the maintenance of his mother and father. No arrears were asked for. Defendant said he had a lad who had been thrown out of work in London and was stranded there, and having to live on 12/- a week. He also had a girl of 17, who had come home from a 'place' and who was having to be kept. He was also paying off the arrears of relief he had received himself. The Chairman: How much is he paying? Mr. MATTHEWS: A shilling a week. Defendant: But I am paying it regularly. I would like to send the train fare to my son in London, but I can't. I have as much on my plate as I can manage. The Chairman: You are getting a very good wage considering these times and the Bench have decided that you must pay 2/6 a week towards the maintenance of your parents. _______________________

Posted with permission of the transcriber, 'Ann' Geo. The West Cumberland Times, Saturday, Nov. 14, 1931. WHY HE WAS LATE. ______ Defaulter's Eventful Ride. At a special Police Court at Workington on Wednesday afternoon - before Colonel DUDGEON, chairman, Messrs. F. W. IREDALE, and J. BOWERBANK and Miss. THOMPSON. Anabelle WILSON 3 Barnes Road, Workington, summoned her husband, Bernard Adrian WILSON, 12 Union Street, Blackburn, for non payment of maintenance arrears and costs amounting to £7 10s 6d. WILSON should have appeared at Court in the morning to answer the charge. A warrant was issued for his arrest but was not executed. He turned up after the morning Court had risen and his explanation, that a motorcycle which he had borrowed to make the journey from Blackburn had broken down three times en route, was accepted. He left Blackburn at 4 a.m. Mrs. WILSON said her husband belonged to Blackburn and she received an order against him in March 1930, for 2s 6d a week. The charge against him, she said, was failing to provide reasonable maintenance for herself and her two children. She had him up on a warrant in June 1930, and the Magistrates committed him for 14 days but suspended the committal as long as he paid 2s 6d a week, and is a week off in arrears. The last payment was made in February 1931. Mrs. WILSON, continuing, said, that her husband was sacked from his job because a woman used to go to the garage where he worked to see him. He had since owned a motor truck but she did not know whether he still had it or not. The defendant then asked his wife who told her about the woman going to the garage. He would like to know, because he could get proof that it was untrue. Defendant said that he had only been getting the Dole 'on and off' for twelve months. He had only a week's work in that time. He received 15s 3d a week. Col. DUDGEON: Did you not get an allowance for your wife and children? Defendant: No. Mr. SKERRY (the Clerk): What about this motorcycle you have been riding? Defendant: It belongs to a friend of mine. I borrowed it to come to Workington on, but it broke down three times on the way here and I was unable to be on time for the Police Court this morning. It was true that he owned a motor truck; he bought it with some money his mother had left, but for six months it had been laid up, and in the end he had sold it for scrap for £3. The defendant was committed for a month but the committal was suspended as long as he paid his wife 2s 6d a week and 2s 6d a week off the arrears.

Posted with permission of the transcriber, Barb. Baker. Geo. SINGULAR OCCURRENCE AT SEA. MR. DOBIGNY, of the firm of DOBIGNY, RHETT and Co., Bahia, writes "I arrived on the 25th November at Liverpool, after a most tedious and long voyage from Bahia, in the three-masted schooner "Seminole", Captain John McINNESS. Myself and wife and a German lady named DENTZ were the only passengers. When about mid-Atlantic, on an exceedingly calm day, with scarcely a breath of wind stirring, and as nearly as possible about two p.m., the atmosphere suddenly became most oppressive, and the barometer fell so rapidly as to make the captain apprehensive that some violent gale would speedily ensue. After giving the necessary instructions for the safety of the ship, we all waited coming events with minds as easy as circumstances would allow. Probably half an hour so passed, when suddenly, without a moment's warning, with a noise so appalling, so deafening as to defy description , the sea, as near as we could guess, within a quarter of a mile astern of us, was lifted up to an immense height in the shape of a sugar loaf, and when the gathering of the waters had attained its extreme limit, the descent was made with a roar and a turmoil to which even Niagra bears but a slight resemblance. The agitation thus occasioned all but swamped us, and had we not held on by anything within reach which happened to be secure, we should all most assuredly have been washed overboard. Half an hour later, a moderate breeze sprung up, and all evidence of the recent commotion had ceased. Captain McINNESS is at a loss to account for what was as novel to himself as to every one else on board; and the only form of conjecture which presents itself to us is that some submarine volcano had become active."

Posted with permission of the transcriber, Barb. Baker. Geo. A "PETTICOAT SOLDIER" -- On Monday, at the Glasgow Central Police-court, ELLEN BROWN, a strapping young woman, residing in New Vennel, was charged with dressing herself in a soldier's uniform on Sunday, and parading the New Vennel, causing thereby a great deal of noise and confusion. BAILIE: Is that true, Ellen ELLEN: Yes Sir. I had on the uniform, but I had my own petticoats on inside. (Laughter). SERGEANT: Why did you apprehend this lad ? (Laughter). SERGEANT: Because she was dressed in soldier's clothes. BAILIE: Is that all ? SERGEANT: A great number of laddies and lasses were shouting and laughing. BAILIE: But the woman herself made no row ? SERGEANT; No. THE ASSESSOR: The wearing of soldier's clothes is not an offence, is it ? CAPTAIN SMART: Oh, yes, under the Mutiny Act. (Laughter). BAILIE: Are you in the habit of putting on soldier's clothes, Ellen ? ELLEN: No sir: I only did it as a lark. The soldiers - the other lassies' fellows (laughter) - who come to the house said they would give me half a munchkin if I would put them on and go down the Vennel. (Renewed laughter) BAILIE: Well, you see what your lark has brought you to. Go away, and be careful for the future. ELLEN: Thank you, sir. =================================================