Are you ok? Val xx It's been a bit hectic of late so apologies for my silence. I'll be totally silent for the next 7-10 days as I'm off for surgery.I'll catch up when I'm back blessings, y'all be good now !! Miriam ******************************************************* Messages Virus-scanned by Norton Antivirus ******************************************************* ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/416 - Release Date: 10/08/2006

Your thunderstorms don't do things by halves, do they Sue? LOL Thankfully, that's something we don't get much on the West Coast (not like other parts of Canada -- namely Ontario and Quebec). Has the rain eased now . . .. or have you resorted to putting out buckets and saucepans? Hope not. Hugs, Jennifer on coolish Vancouver Island . . . with a very strange cloud/fog-like "hat" over the area. You can see blue sky and sunshine all around! Trivvie wrote: > ... Has just gone through our place ... At it's height - you couldn't see > out of the windows - and gutters all around were flooded ... The drains for > the road couldn't keep up with it - and the road was awash with water ... > Thankfully - this has all gone now - but the thunder is still rumbling away > - and not I the distance either ... > > And there's a puddle of water in my hall - at the bottom of the stairs ... > > All our windows open 'inwards' - they either drop down a little - or we can > open them sideways to their full width - 'tilt-'n'-turn' ... Mostly - unless > the rain is coming sideways - the rain doesn't usually come into the house . > . BUT - the upstairs landing window decided it was going to allow water in . > . In it came - onto the window-sill - then overflowing down the wall for a > very short distance - before following the channel afforded it by the > handrail running up the length of the stairs ... It then travelled in this > channel - before falling off the end onto my hall carpet .... > > I hope everyone else is cosy and dry ... > > Sue > >

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Sorry Tracey I left Off a Line where the Info came from I get regular mail from the M o D on updates on what is going on with the info on life within the Forces, etc. when I was doing copy and paste. this was what was missing "From:- MoD Oracle Weekly Newsletter.16th August 2006" Executed WW1 Soldiers To Be Given Pardons Marlene ```````````````````````````` Tracy wrote: .............< snipped > .............. > Sorry, I'm getting on my soap box, heard nothing > about it here because of > the security scare on the plane. > > > Trace ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Only ninety years too late but you can't have everything I don't suppose!! they should have never been shot in the first place. Sorry, I'm getting on my soap box, heard nothing about it here because of the security scare on the plane. Nothing about the guy who died of anthrax and nothing about if they're going to add another three pieces of rock to our solar system as planets, thought they'd already done that with one the other year but the bit I heard said that the nine could become twelve. Trace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Cox" <marmelade_ca@yahoo.co.uk> To: <GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: [TRIVVIES] Executed WW1 Soldiers Thought I'd pass this on just in case it is of an interest to any of our Listers. ..... Marlene Executed WW1 Soldiers To Be Given Pardons Wednesday, August 16, 2006 All 306 British first world war soldiers executed for desertion or cowardice are to be pardoned, Des Browne, the defence secretary, will announce today. For 90 years, families, friends and campaigners for the young soldiers have argued that their deaths were a stain on the reputation of Britain and the army. In many cases, soldiers were clearly suffering from shellshock but officers showed no compassion for fear that their comrades would have disobeyed orders and refused to go "over the top". Mr Browne decided to pardon them mainly on moral grounds, defence sources said last night. He will say a grave injustice was done at the time given the "horrific circumstances" in which they were shot. One particular case brought to his attention was that of 25-year-old Private Harry Farr, executed for cowardice after the battle of the Somme, whose 90th anniversary was commemorated last month. On October 18 1916, after a 20-minute court martial where he represented himself, he was shot at dawn for "misbehaving before the enemy in such a manner as to show cowardice". His case was seized on by campaigners seeking a posthumous pardon for all those executed. Pte Farr's daughter Gertrude Harris, 93, and his granddaughter, Janet Booth, 63, sought a judicial review in the high court to overturn a decision in 1998 by Geoff Hoon, defence secretary at the time, who argued that there was no case in law to issue a posthumous pardon. Mr Browne - a lawyer like Mr Hoon - has taken a different view. It would be invidious, indeed impossible, given the lack of evidence, he believes, now to distinguish the precise details and circumstance of each case. He has thus decided that all the soldiers should be pardoned. Defence sources said last night that Mr Browne regards all of them as victims of the first world war. Whatever the specific legal and historical considerations, it was fundamentally a moral issue which had stigmatised the families involved for more than a generation, he concluded. The only distinction he is likely to make is between the soldiers shot for cowardice and desertion and others who were executed for murder. The pardons will need a decision by parliament and Mr Browne is likely to append it to the armed forces bill on what ministers hope will be a free vote. The pardons are also likely to affect former soldiers from other Commonwealth countries - such as Canada - and their families now living there. John Dickinson of Irwin Mitchell, the Farr family's lawyer, said last night: "This is complete common sense and rightly acknowledges that Private Farr was not a coward, but an extremely brave man. Having fought for two years practically without respite in the trenches, he was very obviously suffering from a condition we now would have no problem in diagnosing as post-traumatic stress disorder or shellshock as it was known in 1916." Pte Farr's daughter, Gertrude, said: "I am so relieved that this ordeal is now over and I can be content knowing that my father's memory is intact. I have always argued that my father's refusal to rejoin the frontline, described in the court martial as resulting from cowardice, was in fact the result of shellshock, and I believe that many other soldiers suffered from this, not just my father". Pte Farr volunteered for 1st Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment in 1914. After he was executed, his family received no military pension and his widow and daughter were forced out of their house, suffering financial hardship, stigma and shame. Andrew Mackinlay, Labour MP for Thurrock, who has campaigned for the pardon, welcomed the move last night and said that public opinion had "moved remarkably in support of a pardon". He said: "All the courts martial were flawed. People did not have a chance to produce evidence or call witnesses. Full marks to Des Browne, but the point is that it has taken the British establishment 90 years." ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" - The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Before you sent your mail - Please cut out as much of previous messages as is appropriate - and Please change the Subject Line if the Topic has changed. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 21/07/2006

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Miriam Jean Oz > Hope all goes well & you have a quick recovery, Miriam. > > Hugs, > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > > It's been a bit hectic of late so apologies for my silence. > I'll be totally silent for the next 7-10 days as I'm off for surgery.I'll > catch up when I'm back > blessings, y'all be good now !! > Miriam > *******************************************************

Hope all goes well,Miriam. Joion us when you are feeling better,which I hope , will be soon. Jean USA > It's been a bit hectic of late so apologies for my silence. > I'll be totally silent for the next 7-10 days as I'm off for surgery.I'll > catch up when I'm back > blessings, y'all be good now !! > Miriam > ******************************************************* > Messages Virus-scanned by Norton Antivirus > ******************************************************* > > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== > RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST > Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. > >

And it's about time, too, IMO. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent Thought I'd pass this on just in case it is of an interest to any of our Listers. ..... Marlene Executed WW1 Soldiers To Be Given Pardons

Thought I'd pass this on just in case it is of an interest to any of our Listers. ..... Marlene Executed WW1 Soldiers To Be Given Pardons Wednesday, August 16, 2006 All 306 British first world war soldiers executed for desertion or cowardice are to be pardoned, Des Browne, the defence secretary, will announce today. For 90 years, families, friends and campaigners for the young soldiers have argued that their deaths were a stain on the reputation of Britain and the army. In many cases, soldiers were clearly suffering from shellshock but officers showed no compassion for fear that their comrades would have disobeyed orders and refused to go "over the top". Mr Browne decided to pardon them mainly on moral grounds, defence sources said last night. He will say a grave injustice was done at the time given the "horrific circumstances" in which they were shot. One particular case brought to his attention was that of 25-year-old Private Harry Farr, executed for cowardice after the battle of the Somme, whose 90th anniversary was commemorated last month. On October 18 1916, after a 20-minute court martial where he represented himself, he was shot at dawn for "misbehaving before the enemy in such a manner as to show cowardice". His case was seized on by campaigners seeking a posthumous pardon for all those executed. Pte Farr's daughter Gertrude Harris, 93, and his granddaughter, Janet Booth, 63, sought a judicial review in the high court to overturn a decision in 1998 by Geoff Hoon, defence secretary at the time, who argued that there was no case in law to issue a posthumous pardon. Mr Browne - a lawyer like Mr Hoon - has taken a different view. It would be invidious, indeed impossible, given the lack of evidence, he believes, now to distinguish the precise details and circumstance of each case. He has thus decided that all the soldiers should be pardoned. Defence sources said last night that Mr Browne regards all of them as victims of the first world war. Whatever the specific legal and historical considerations, it was fundamentally a moral issue which had stigmatised the families involved for more than a generation, he concluded. The only distinction he is likely to make is between the soldiers shot for cowardice and desertion and others who were executed for murder. The pardons will need a decision by parliament and Mr Browne is likely to append it to the armed forces bill on what ministers hope will be a free vote. The pardons are also likely to affect former soldiers from other Commonwealth countries - such as Canada - and their families now living there. John Dickinson of Irwin Mitchell, the Farr family's lawyer, said last night: "This is complete common sense and rightly acknowledges that Private Farr was not a coward, but an extremely brave man. Having fought for two years practically without respite in the trenches, he was very obviously suffering from a condition we now would have no problem in diagnosing as post-traumatic stress disorder or shellshock as it was known in 1916." Pte Farr's daughter, Gertrude, said: "I am so relieved that this ordeal is now over and I can be content knowing that my father's memory is intact. I have always argued that my father's refusal to rejoin the frontline, described in the court martial as resulting from cowardice, was in fact the result of shellshock, and I believe that many other soldiers suffered from this, not just my father". Pte Farr volunteered for 1st Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment in 1914. After he was executed, his family received no military pension and his widow and daughter were forced out of their house, suffering financial hardship, stigma and shame. Andrew Mackinlay, Labour MP for Thurrock, who has campaigned for the pardon, welcomed the move last night and said that public opinion had "moved remarkably in support of a pardon". He said: "All the courts martial were flawed. People did not have a chance to produce evidence or call witnesses. Full marks to Des Browne, but the point is that it has taken the British establishment 90 years." ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

take care Miriam..hope all goes well for you hugs Karen and Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miriam" <miriamb@pagetdesigns.co.uk> To: <GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: [TRIVVIES] Silence > It's been a bit hectic of late so apologies for my silence. > I'll be totally silent for the next 7-10 days as I'm off for surgery.I'll > catch up when I'm back > blessings, y'all be good now !! > Miriam > ******************************************************* > Messages Virus-scanned by Norton Antivirus > ******************************************************* > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== > RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST > Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. > What may not offend you may offend others. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 > >

You better warn John Boy his trench is about to be investigated. Sorry I could not resist that. :) Bet the program will be a very interesting one Pat....I wonder if we will get it over here...I doubt it DiDi http://photobucket.com/albums/d100/didi_45 For those of us in the UK - on Channel 5 at 7:15pm tomorrow (Wednesday) night, there is a new 5 part series of Trench Detectives. A team of archaeologists & a military historian excavate a coalfield in Loos & find bodies of WW1 soldiers, including a young German with *surprising links to a young Adolf Hitler.* So the blurb in the TV book says !! My granddad's cousin was killed at the Battle of Loos in 1915, so it's something I'm really looking forward to seeing. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Before you sent your mail - Please cut out as much of previous messages as is appropriate - and Please change the Subject Line if the Topic has changed.

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Hope all goes well & you have a quick recovery, Miriam. Hugs, Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent It's been a bit hectic of late so apologies for my silence. I'll be totally silent for the next 7-10 days as I'm off for surgery.I'll catch up when I'm back blessings, y'all be good now !! Miriam ******************************************************* Messages Virus-scanned by Norton Antivirus ******************************************************* ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others.

My thought's and HUGS are on their way to you, for a speedy recovery, Miriam Hugs John xxxx Hope all goes well & you have a quick recovery, Miriam. Hugs, Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent It's been a bit hectic of late so apologies for my silence. I'll be totally silent for the next 7-10 days as I'm off for surgery.I'll catch up when I'm back blessings, y'all be good now !! Miriam ******************************************************* Messages Virus-scanned by Norton Antivirus ******************************************************* ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Please use common sense when sending or replying to messages on the list. What may not offend you may offend others. ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Remember - Our "todays" ups & downs of life, are "tomorrows" Ancestral Trivia. _________________________________________________________________ Download the new Windows Live Toolbar, including Desktop search! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-gb

It's been a bit hectic of late so apologies for my silence. I'll be totally silent for the next 7-10 days as I'm off for surgery.I'll catch up when I'm back blessings, y'all be good now !! Miriam ******************************************************* Messages Virus-scanned by Norton Antivirus *******************************************************

Happy Birthday Linda from me too. Jenny K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Himmelsbach" <jwilliam@worldnet.att.net> To: <GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: [TRIVVIES] Happy Birthday > Linda hope you have a very Happy Birthday--enjoy yourself--do something > you want to do. That is within reason and the law. > Jean USA > > > ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== > RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST > Remember - this list is only as good as you, the Lister, make it. If you > don't post, then it's no fun at all. :-) > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 > >

For those of us in the UK - on Channel 5 at 7:15pm tomorrow (Wednesday) night, there is a new 5 part series of Trench Detectives. A team of archaeologists & a military historian excavate a coalfield in Loos & find bodies of WW1 soldiers, including a young German with *surprising links to a young Adolf Hitler.* So the blurb in the TV book says !! My granddad's cousin was killed at the Battle of Loos in 1915, so it's something I'm really looking forward to seeing. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent

With Mary receiving lots of birthday cards and messages it has brought home to me that I have been very remiss in the birthday department for others. I will try (through Cathy) to catch up starting with Linda. We all hope you have a lovely one Linda and many more to come. Hugs John (Cathy and Mary)

Happy Birthday from me too Val xx There is a young lady from Utah Happy Birthday Linda M Lots of love and hugs Dave, Pam and Nikki ==== GEN-TRIVIA-ENG Mailing List ==== RANDOM TAGLINE - GEN-TRIVIA-ENG - MAILING LIST Remember - this list is only as good as you, the Lister, make it. If you don't post, then it's no fun at all. :-) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/416 - Release Date: 10/08/2006

Wishing you a happy, happy day & a lovely year ahead. Hugs, Pat & Shaun.xxx :o))