Happy Birthday Edna! Hugs Glennis Happy Birthday Edna Wishing you a Birthday filled with all the things you enjoy, and the Year ahead that's bright with happiness. Birthday Hugs Marlene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many Happy Returns of the Day,...are you going out on the town?enjoy Wendy

Wishing Edna all the very best for her birthday, and in the year to follow. Have a great day on Saturday. Jean Oz

Posted with permission of the transcriber, Bar. Baker. Geo. <This item is OT but I thought it was interesting> CARLISLE JOURNAL, November 30, 1855 / PROTESTANT EXCOMMUNICATION ========================================================== PROTESTANT EXCOMMUNICATION......The "Evangelical Kirchenbote" of the Palatinate contains a history of the proceedings of the Consistory of Speyer towards one MICHAEL MULLER, a working shoemaker. In 1846 MULLER emigrated to America, and there married a young Jewess. The marriage took place as a civil contract, according to the laws, but no religious ceremony was performed. Last August MULLER returned with his wife and two children, which she had borne to him. The Consistory of Speyer insisted that he should put away his wife, or that she should be baptized and married to him anew. MULLER consulted his wife, who objected to be baptized. He thereupon intimated to the consistory his resolution to "cleave to his wife" and for that has been excommunicated. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Posted with permission of the transcriber, Barb. Baker. Geo. <10 y.o. boy gets a month in gaol!> TOWN HALL, WHITEHAVEN. - THURSDAY, NOV. 29. (Before GEORGE HARRISON, Esq., JOHN SPENCER, Esq., JOS. YOUNGHUSBAND, Esq., JOHN SPENCER, Esq., and REV. H. LOWTHER) Several drunk and disorderly characters belonging to Whitehaven, Egremont, and Cleator Moor, were fined in the sum of 5s each for this misconduct. STEALING A WATCH - PATRICK M'CANN, a boy about ten years of age, who goes about selling sand, was charged with stealing a silver lever watch, the property of MRS. WEIR, of St. Bees, formerly of Carlisle. The watch was hanging in the kitchen, which the boy entered under the pretence of selling sand. He purloined the watch, and gave it to his mother, who is a disreputable character. The prisoner was committed to Carlisle gaol for one month. ASSAULTS. - ELIZABETH SCOTT was charged with assaulting SARAH ANN CROSS, a child about six years of age, by kicking her. Fined 10s. MARY TRIMMERY was charged with assaulting SARAH CUMMINGS, by throwing a stone at her face, which cut her severely near the right eye. The prisoner's conduct had been most violent and insulting. Fined 20s., or to be imprisoned for one month. JAMES WILDE was charged with having assaulted JAMES HARROCK. The defendant did not appear, and a warrant was granted for his apprehension. NEGLIGENT DRIVING. - GEORGE WALKER and JOSEPH TURNER were fined 20s each for being so far from their horses and carts, on the highway, as to have no control over them. THEFT. - ISABELLA THOMPSON was remanded till Saturday, on a charge of having stolen a quantity of goods from a dwelling-house in Strand-street, Whitehaven. ==============================================================

Hello everyone Hope you are all well. Here is my latest little bit of chat. Love and hugs Johno http://www.connolley.co.uk/Bloggo_de_Johno.htm

My Irish gg-grandfather, Robert Irwin, was a Sapper and Miner. As was his son, Frederick George Irwin. The occupation ran in the family, for so also was my other paternal gg-grandfather, George Fuller. (The Sappers & Miners, an Army Corps, later became the Royal Engineers.) By all accounts, Robert Irwin was a bit of a tearaway. He was born in Limerick in southwest Ireland in 1806. Nothing is known of his earlier years, but he must have learned to read and write, for he was recorded as 'literate'; he certainly signed all his important documents. In August 1826 he married Ellen McAuliffe in Limerick Cathedral. He joined the Sappers & Miners in Dublin in March 1827. He was 21, and his attestation papers describe him as "5ft 7in tall, with fresh complexion, dark brown hair and hazel eyes". [That would have described me very well when his age!] By trade he was a painter, plumber and glazier. After a brief period of training in surveying at the headquarters of the Corps in Chatham, he was posted to Armagh in Ulster as a lowly sapper in a small detachment carrying out the land-tax survey of Ireland. And his first son, Francis George Irwin, was baptised there in 1828. However, perhaps as an early indication that his behaviour was not entirely satisfactory even in his lowly role, in 1829 he returned to his Company and was posted to Gibraltar for 7 years. Here son Thomas and daughter Mary were born. By 1838 he was back in Chatham, in preparation for a posting to the new colony of South Australia. A detachment of 11 Sappers under Capt. E C Froome - who was destined for much higher office - sailed from Plymouth and arrived at the tented encampment by the coast in September 1839. Their job was to survey and lay out a new town, Adelaide, on a better site inland. Although the men "travelled with their wives and families", Robert had only his wife Ellen with him, apparently leaving behind their 3 other children. A daughter, Catherine - my future g-grandmother - was born in April 1841 and baptised in Holy Trinity Church in the growing new town of Adelaide. Alas, Sapper Robert Irwin proved less than satisfactory and Capt. Froome lost no time in sending him back to England. He arrived just in time to see his son Frederick George attested as a Sapper at Woolwich in November 1842, before being sent off again in June 1843, this time to Hong Kong - along with his wife Ellen. He was soon in trouble again. Some years earlier he had been before a Court Martial for forcing the door of an oil and paint store. Now in 1844 it was for habitual drunkenness: "28 days in solitary". And again in 1848: "drunk on guard duty, and habitual drunkenness: 84 days hard labour". This was the last straw. He was discharged the service on a modified pension at Hong Kong on 27 December 1849. His discharge papers state that he retired on medical grounds - "intermittent fever" - and, remarkably, his conduct for the past 12 months was described as "Good"! I then lose track of Robert Irwin. The line in his discharge papers showing 'Next Destination' is blank. His Company had returned to England while he was serving his last sentence. So I have to assume he stayed in Hong Kong - with the long-suffering Ellen - and that both died there, quite probably before 1855... In the meantime, son Francis George had done quite well in his own career as a sapper. He was awarded a bronze medal for being part of the guard detachment at the 1851 Great Exhibition. He was also married that year. In 1856 his company was sent to the Crimea, fortunately after the fighting had ended. But it was from here that he sent home a pair of ornately-carved paperweights with 'F.G.IRWIN, Scutari 1856' on a brass plate on the side. These eventually graced the sideboard at my childhood home, leading to my mother making the earliest remark I can recall about my family history: "Francis George Irwin was a sort of great uncle and that explains your Irish origins". However, FG's stay in Scutari must have been brief, for in August 1856 he was in Gibraltar. His wife joined him and his only son was born there in 1857. He stayed in Gibraltar until 1866, when he returned to Chatham and took honorable discharge from the Corps as Colour Sergeant in July 1867. He retired to Bristol where he died in 1893, having risen to the rank of Major Adjutant with the Gloster Engineer Volunteer Corps. Back to Catherine Irwin. She did not go to Hong Kong when her parents were sent there; presumably she stayed with relatives in England. But when news arrived that her parents had died, it seems she accepted an invitation to join her brother Francis George in Gibraltar. For here she met - and married - Sapper George Fuller. A record of the marriage has not been found, but a son, Ernest Irwin Fuller, my future grandfather, was baptised in Gibraltar on 18 October 1862. George Fuller was from Newport in the Isle of Wight. Born in 1833, he joined the Sappers & Miners as a carpenter in 1855 an after a spell in Bermuda, he too arrived in Gibraltar in 1858. The Fuller family - George, Catherine, Ernest and a new daughter Ellen (named after Catherine's mother?) - returned to Chatham in 1866, where George left the Corps and returned to civilian life as a carpenter. So that was the end of my links with the Sappers & Miners. But I enjoy working with wood...! Howard

The ones I saw when I was in UK [wasn't many]were very interesting, wonder if the Canadian and USA TV stations will ever copycat it. They have often copied other shows in the past The rain has mostly past ... missed the sun going down last night but dashed upto the other end of the building on the 6th floor from my 2nd just in case I had a chance of seeing if it was still going down [from my window saw the red in the windows across from me] the sky was full of dark clouds. When I got there, all there was just the lovely colours Marlene .. on another dismal day with a threat of more of the wet stuff ```````````````````````````````` > 9pm BBC1 Wednesday - the 2nd series of *Who Do You > Think You Are* starts. > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

1. What did your Grandpa - & further back - do for a living .. ? ... We can extend this to 'familial jobs' - and also to Grandma's job too - such as did she do any 'war-work' - etc ... 2. Any 'blockages' in your family tree ... The missing 'Uncle' or 'Aunt' - or the 'wayward' ones - those who 'went-off' and disappeared ... That should keep us busy for September ... :-))) Sue

9pm BBC1 Wednesday - the 2nd series of *Who Do You Think You Are* starts. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent

Hope you have a great Birthday....Wendy

Hi Jill A very happy birthday to you, if I'm not too late. Hope you're having a good day Jean in Perth > Happy Birthday Jill on the 3rd > with lots of love and hugs > Dave, Pam and Nikki > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Posted with permission of the transcriber, Barb. Baker. Geo. <LOL A woman standing up for herself would not have been 'the done thing' in 1855. "Good on 'er," say I.> CARLISLE JOURNAL, November 30, 1855 ========================================================== N O T I C E. - My Husband, H. S. PEARSON, having Advertised that he will not be answerable for any debts, I beg to intimate that such proceeding is unnecessary, as without my Money he has not sufficient to pay his own. The cause of these proceedings is my refusal to let my husband's brother have a large portion of my money to begin business on his own account. DOROTHY PEARSON (Late Dorothy BELL), 6, Woodrouffe Terrace. Carlisle, November 26, 1855. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Happy Birthday Jill! Glennis Arizona

All best wishes from all of us here Jill. Hope you have many more of them. Kindest wishes Johno

Following on from talk about surnames I found this very interesting from another list. The biggest concentration of people called Salt is in Stoke-on-Trent, as is the greatest number of people called Pepper, according to a new study which maps the spread of British names across the globe. The number of people with either surname is roughly equal so the reason for this is likely to be that both Salts and Peppers derived their names from people who made pots for condiments in the Potteries, according to the authors of the study, published at the Royal Geographical Society's annual conference yesterday. What the study of 20,000 British surnames over five generations has enabled researchers to do for the first time is to track the migration of people with British names and to see where the largest concentration of people of that name lives. Now anyone may do this by logging on to the website www.spatial--literacy.-org. The name Blair, for example, originated in the west of Scotland. The number of Blairs in Britain has grown by 50 per cent since the 19th century to 12,473 today. They are outnumbered, however, by their 27,379 cousins in the United States, who are concentrated in Kentucky. There is also a respectable concentration of 2,581 Blairs in Tasmania. The name Beckham originated in Walsingham, Norfolk, and although it cannot be traced in Australia, descendants of Beckhams cluster today in Northland, New Zealand, and Mississippi. A database of more than 100 million people's names in the United States, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Canada was used to track the British migration. The authors of the study say that the size and extent of the big diasporas of British people living abroad, such as prisoners and settlers to Australia, and Scottish and English colonialists in Ireland, were unknown until the latest developments in information technology. The authors have devised a ranking of the most adventurous and least adventurous names. There are relatively few Yorkshire names, such as Broadbent, Midgeley or Illingworth, in the United States. This may be because Yorkshire has generally been prosperous and not subject to major disruptions such as the Highland Clearances. The Welsh are less travelled than the Scots, the English or the Irish. The most travelled names, not surprisingly, tend to be from Scotland, Cornwall or some of the grimmer northern towns such as Bradford or Halifax. There are, for instance, fewer McDonalds in Britain now than in 1881 and more in the United States, where the largest concentration is in Mississippi. Richard Webber, visiting professor at University College, London, and one of the authors of the study, said: "The conclusion we've come to is that people think people migrate randomly to another country whereas in fact migration flows are very specific. They tend to move from one part of one country to another part of another country at a specific time — Scots went to Tasmania in the 1890s, for instance, and people from Cornwall to Wyoming in the 1860s." The reasons for names disappearing extend beyond migration. Researchers compiled a list of "most embarrassing" names, which people have tended to change. There were 3,211 Cocks in Britain in 1881 — when most were centred around Truro — but only 826 in 1996. Likewise, the number of Handcocks, Smellies, Haggards, Slows, Willys, Piggs, Hustlers, Nutters and Glasscocks has fallen. Conclusions can also be reached about Christian names. The upper classes, defined by educational achievement, have tended to stick to the same Christian names over time — the top 10 being Felicity, Katherine, Phillippa, Penelope, Elizabeth, Hilary, Giles, Annabel, Alastair and Jeremy. The lower classes, defined by education, are more likely to choose newer names. Tracey or Tracy, topping the list, followed by Michelle, Lee, Darren, Jason, Donna, Annie and Kelly. The influence of British names extends outside English speaking countries. Nelson and Wellington are both used in Portugal and Brazil — Nelson Mandela's Christian name is thought by researchers to be a faint echo of Portuguese influence in South Africa. There are many Byrons — used as a Christian name — in Greece. Further discoveries, however, will have to wait for the researchers to widen their database. Wolfie..................back on cloud nine -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 01/09/2006

Happy birthday Jill, Some interesting occurrences throughout history on your special day. Just looking at 1879 . . . the more things change, the more they stay the same, eh? Have a Wonderful Day, Jennifer http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/this_day_in_history/this_day_September_3.php david cox wrote: > Happy Birthday Jill on the 3rd > with lots of love and hugs > Dave, Pam and Nikki > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-TRIVIA-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Happy Birthday Jill on the 3rd with lots of love and hugs Dave, Pam and Nikki

Not exactly a brickwall but certainly a stumbling block and it also covers occupations at the same time!!! My grandfather never married my grandmother and their son was born in December 1918 in Hastings, Sussex when my grandmother was 31. Grandfather was from Kilbarchan in Scotland and was 14 years older than my grandmother who was in service in Kent. According to Frank's will, which my Dad handwrote out for me (I must ask to borrow it from Mum so that I can photocopy it) he had been a draper in Glasgow (early 1900s) but the family history was of hand loom weavers in Kilbarchan and then moving into Paisley where they worked in mills - winders and weavers. According to an obituary notice he died, a bachelor, in Kent in July 1947 at Molash. He had come from Scotland to Molash 28 years before and was a sheepbreeder. So my grandfathers family started (as far as I have got) in weaving but he moved into the other end of "wool" by breading sheep (he was a member of the Kent or Romney Marsh Sheepbreeders Association). He must have met my grandmother before he settled in Kent working from Dad's age and that newspaper obituary - did he come down during the First World War as a soldier? Would he have been too old as he was 41 at the start of that war? Is there anywhere I can find out if he served in the forces and where and when, bearing in mind he was a Scot? I am never going to solve this unless I can make contact with his family as my grandmother was disowned by her family apart from one sister that she kept in touch with. Of course it is quite likely that his family didn't know about Dad either. It was only when my grandmother died that my father knew he had any living relatives and the sisters son and wife attended the funeral in 1976. They knew nothing about Dad's existence but they have visited and kept in touch since. My grandmother hated having to give details of my grandfather when my father needed them when he was called up in WW2and it was certainly something never talked about when I was a child. Liz

HEADS UP, FOLKS! The following is copied from the Origins website: FREE ACCESS FOR TO THE ORIGINS NETWORK FOR 24 HOURS ON THE 4th SEPTEMBER- LABOR DAY OFFER! The Origins Network (www.originsnetwork.com) is offering free access to both British and Irish Origins on the 4th September to celebrate US Labor Day. Free access will begin at 00.00GMT and will run until 08.00GMT on the 5th September 2006. In order to access, simply go to www.originsnetwork.com and click on the link to sign up or login. Their math is a bit suspect, I make it 32 hours. <g> Geo.