Here goes, Jamie, I don't think your problem is as complicated as you fear. Here is, for what it's worth, what I think, and I have been through zillions (Well, maybe not really zillions) of passenger lists. 1. Consider first of all that the wrong entry on the name may actually be a misunderstood handwriting on your part or a missed interpretation of handwriting on a document your ancestors had with them. It really doesn't take a lot of imagination to note the following possibilities: S c h u lt z S o L a R z Very, very , very similar, and I have found most of the writing in these lists to be of this caliber. 2. I would, myself, stick with the name Solarz, if you're pretty sure that's wath it is supposed to be. It codes as S462, so you can get an soundex for New York arrivals for that period (There is one), and I'll bet you find them. You know their names, the year, and the country of origin, and that may well be suffcient to help you locate them on the list. Then you can get the actual passenger arrival records and find them there. 3. Oh yes, it should be about 99% for a New York port arrival. According to Morton-Allen most of the European departures for 1915 left from final ports of embarkation in England coming from the continent, with the exception of a few from Rotterdam. 4. If you can't find them fater looking thusly, you may want to do two other things. In fact, after considering your options you may want to do these anyway. a. You could also get the soundex for New York arrivals for the period for S243, the code for Schultz, on the slight chance that this actually was how the name was recorded. b. You could also get the soundex for the 1920 U.S. census for the area where you know your grandparents were on 1920, and locate the census that they should appear on. If you do find them, the enumerator will have asked them when they arrived in the U.S., and he will have recorded this on the report. Now it is true that sometimes errors have been made in recording this info., BUT I am here to tell you that the errors tend not to be gross in their magnitude, and are at least a good indicator USUALLY of when they arrived. Bottom line on all of this? It really sounds like you're in better than fair shape on your quest in this area, so get thee down to the nearest LDS FHC and gid tah orderin' Yee Hah! Hope this is a help. Charles ctucker@wzrd.com