Hi John, I got the following message which I think will be of interest to you. I haven't made contact with Eva Liptak yet; I tried this morning but no luck. --- quote--- As far as I know that area has been finished I am currently looking at films from that area especially Makov the film numbers that I have are for the area from Trencin up thru Cadca. To make sure that the films are the ones you want call the LDS in Salt Lake City Utah (Mountain Time) M-W-F The lady you need to speak with is Eva Liptak she only works in the morning hours and only on M-W-F the number is 800-453-3860 her ex. is 6126 a very nice and knowledgeable lady. If for some reason they can't help let me know and I will give you the film numbers that I am using not sure if they are what you want......I have them for six months....... Best of luck Joe Hollak ---quote --- Steven Dubec E-Mail Address: dubecs@cadvision.com ---------- : From: John Jaso <jjaso@BMI.NET> : To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM : Subject: Re: Zilina, Slovakia - LDS Filming Complete? : Date: Sunday, March 02, 1997 7:51 PM : : Hi Steve, : : If you get a private e-mail response about Zilina please let me know. What : other cities are you searching? : I'm interested in information about Radola and Neslusa just north of : Zilina. : : Good luck ! : : John Jaso Researching Jaso Radola : Babulak Neslusa : Hudak Dubinne : Novak Kurima : : : ---------- : > From: Steven Dubec <dubecs@CADVISION.COM> : > To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM : > Subject: Zilina, Slovakia - LDS Filming Complete? : > Date: Sunday, March 02, 1997 2:23 PM : > : > Does anyone know whether the LDS have completed filming the records : > for Zilina and neighboring towns within a 20km radius? : > : > Thank you. : > : > Steven Dubec : > E-Mail Address: dubecs@cadvision.com

bigtodd@OVER.YONDER.COM wrote: > > Any info on this name? There is a Bohemian name -MATOUSEK - which is similar. There was a Matousek family in my hometown, Maple Heights, Ohio (outside Cleveland). Also, during the 1950's, one of the pastors at our local church, St. Wenceslaus, was named Matousek

bigtodd@OVER.YONDER.COM wrote: > > Any info on this name? No.,

Is anyone working on the surname Wierzbinski/Wierbinski? If so, please contact me. Karen Fletcher

>The name is Rogatsky, I am trying to find my roots and don't know if they >are German, which I was told, or Polish. I was sent a letter stating that >we originated from Prussia but that is all i know, can anyone help? Thank >You > My family came from West Prussia which is now Poland. In order to help you, I need to have some dates and maybe a given name. First thing you should do, though, is send for your parents' birth certificates. The certificates will tell you who your grandparents were and where they came from. I don't know your age, so I can't estimate your parents' ages nor that of your grandparents. If you are very young, and if your grandparents were born in this country, send for their birth certificates. Keep going until you get to the immigrants of your family. there will be a nominal fee charged for these searches. If you cannot get birth certificates, send for death certificates of those who are deceased. If all this fails, and even if it doesn't, write to the church they attended and ask them to sarch their records for the family's participation in the rites of that church/synagogue...baptisms, marriages, bar mitzvahs etc. Always ask religious organizations what fee they charge for a search. If they don't charge a fee, you are obligated to give a donation. After you've done all that, I'll help you further if you like. I will give you an address to write to in Germany for a search providing you can tell me where your family originated. don't for get to go to the Latter Day Saints Family History Center nearest you. The volunteers, there, will be happy to help you. June from CA

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It is such a difficult task to help people who have expended all their energy uselessly and whose physical and mental powers are at a pitifully low level. Sometimes I am amazed at what I see, for these people are still, for the most part, quite young. Raising the dead is a miracle given As a result of the excesses brought about by the manic state, its opposite, depression, manifests itself in these young people. Now time no longer flies, but drags along at a snail's pace. A depressed person wishes that time would again fly, but, on the contrary, minutes seem like hours, hours like days and days like weeks. Usually, people who lack useful outlets for their energies and feel unfulfilled are subject to these feelings. How foolish it is for people to wish that their time would pass quickly, wh In the Most Distinguished Naqshbandi Sufi Order we have a rule of thumb: A person's value corresponds to the value he assigns to his time. 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Was the head of household named George? On my great grandfathers death certificate it states his fathers name was George. His mothers name was unknown. He did have another brother with the same name, John Kacmar. This is why I believe he, after being orphaned, took his "adoptive" familys name. This could very well be a good lead. Thanks! Trish

John, It's funny you mention that a family member changes his name from Bugos. It has been said that my great grandfather was an orphan and it is remotely possible that he changed his name at some point. On the other hand they were Roman Catholic. None the less, I will check it out. Where did you find these records, at the LDS? If so let me know the film # so I may order it. Thanks for the reply. Trish

Need to Know More Isabel Josephine Sincavich grandmother b.190? d.196? Joseph Savage (KATCAVICH) - grandfather b.? d.1954 coalminer Wilksbury,PA Charles Sincavich - greatgrandfather Elizabeth ???? - great grandmother NY PA Lithuanian thanks floyd yohoyoho@aol.com

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my great-grandfather disappeared in the U.S. in 1892... Maybe a shipwreck in the Caribic, so the last message from the Federal authorities (he was a machinist), but who knows...? > > With many greetings and thanks in advance > Jaromir Adamec > > _______________________________________________ > | Jaromir Adamec | > | Dept. of Art Education | > | Pedagog. Faculty of Charles University, Prague| > | tel. **42-2/21900083, private **42-2/8584013 | > | jaromir.adamec@pedf.cuni.cz | > ----------------------------------------------- Professor Adamec: There are som U.S. Records available which may be of some asssistance. There are records of ships passengers to the United States through several ports. They are not all indexed and are not complete but are generally available on microfilm through the U. S. National Archives. You would have to guess at the port but if he was operating in the Carribean Sea area, it is possible that he went to New Orleans, LA. or a Texas port. Knowing the ship's name would help enormously. If he was indeed in a shipwreck, he would probably not in one of these records. Also, records of the United States Censuses for the Years 1900, 1910, and 1920 are available on microfilm to the General Public on microfilm from the National Archives. They are indexed by state by Soundex or Miracode coding (both based on pronunciation more than spelling), not nationally but you may wish to check the indices of the states around the Carribean area. Both of these types of records would possibly be available to you on an inter-library loan through your University. If there is a Latter Day Saints family history library in the Czech Republic, they may be able to obtain them on loan for you. A final option is to purchase them on microfilm from the National Archives. N.B. - some of the writing found in these records is in script and not well written. Even as a native English speaker and reader, I have had difficulty reading soke of them which I have used so a good deal of patience and "detection skills" are necessary. There are probably other records available as well and other persons in this Forum may be able to add them to this commentary. I wish you luck in your rommantic endeavor.... djm in Ann Arbor, Michigan

With regard to village.... In both case where I obtained Naturalization papers...there are 3...it's the first one called Declaration of Intent that has the name of the town where the person was born along with other pertinent information. Did you obtain that document? Ann-Marie >June Nessler wrote: >> >> >Have you checked his passenger manifest? That should give you his place of >> >birth at that period. >> > >> >Jill >> > >> >---------- >> >> From: PJkitty461 <pjkitty461@AOL.COM> >> >> To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM >> >> Subject: Kacmar >> >> Date: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 9:08 AM >> >> >> >> I have tried every avenue to find information on my great grandfather, >> >> John(Jan) Kacmar. He arrived in Pennsylvania in 1910 from Slovakia. He >> >> was married to Elizabeth Bednar who was from Harhaj. They were married >> >> before he came here. I cannot find his name in the church records where >> >> Elizabeth was baptized, so I don't think he was from the same village, >> >but >> >> possibly a nearby one. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas where I might find what village he was from. >> >> He was born March 1, 1890. His fathers name was George. This is all I >> >> know. >> >> I have already checked his death certificate, naturalization papers >> >etc. >> >> Nothing indicates a village. Can anyone PLEASE help? >> > >> Have you tried to locate the marriage record in Elizabeth's church? Many >> times the marriage took place in the bride's village. That might tell you >> quite a bit. >> >> June from CA > >I came across a Kacsmar(Kacmar) in the Gr. Cath. church records of >Kosicky Klecenov. One member of my father's family changed his name to >Kacsmar from Bugos for unknown reasons. The name usually refers to an >"innkeeper" so that blood lines are not always indicated. I did not make >a copy of the record for lack of time. > The church town is directly east of Kosice and Bidovce. > John Bugosh ---------------------------------- Sam & Ann-Marie Kuczun University of Colorado, Boulder kuczuns@spot.colorado.edu

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Dear Friends, from Mr. Machalek, editor of "Czech and Slovak Connections", I've got your address; I would like to ask about a problem, which lies out of his activity: If one wants to have a look into the registration of European immigrants in the end of the last century, where to start? Does it exist on the Internet? Or something similar? Do not you have any experience with this? The reason I'm asking is quite romantical: my great-grandfather disappeared in the U.S. in 1892... Maybe a shipwreck in the Caribic, so the last message from the Federal authorities (he was a machinist), but who knows...? With many greetings and thanks in advance Jaromir Adamec _______________________________________________ | Jaromir Adamec | | Dept. of Art Education | | Pedagog. Faculty of Charles University, Prague| | tel. **42-2/21900083, private **42-2/8584013 | | jaromir.adamec@pedf.cuni.cz | -----------------------------------------------

June Nessler wrote: > > >Have you checked his passenger manifest? That should give you his place of > >birth at that period. > > > >Jill > > > >---------- > >> From: PJkitty461 <pjkitty461@AOL.COM> > >> To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM > >> Subject: Kacmar > >> Date: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 9:08 AM > >> > >> I have tried every avenue to find information on my great grandfather, > >> John(Jan) Kacmar. He arrived in Pennsylvania in 1910 from Slovakia. He > >> was married to Elizabeth Bednar who was from Harhaj. They were married > >> before he came here. I cannot find his name in the church records where > >> Elizabeth was baptized, so I don't think he was from the same village, > >but > >> possibly a nearby one. > >> Does anyone have any ideas where I might find what village he was from. > >> He was born March 1, 1890. His fathers name was George. This is all I > >> know. > >> I have already checked his death certificate, naturalization papers > >etc. > >> Nothing indicates a village. Can anyone PLEASE help? > > > Have you tried to locate the marriage record in Elizabeth's church? Many > times the marriage took place in the bride's village. That might tell you > quite a bit. > > June from CA I came across a Kacsmar(Kacmar) in the Gr. Cath. church records of Kosicky Klecenov. One member of my father's family changed his name to Kacsmar from Bugos for unknown reasons. The name usually refers to an "innkeeper" so that blood lines are not always indicated. I did not make a copy of the record for lack of time. The church town is directly east of Kosice and Bidovce. John Bugosh

If there are any proven nobilities on this mail list who know something about following families, please e-mail me privately: LAKAY, KOLLONITZ, KOEPPEL(from Rakonitz, Boh) LUETZENMAYER von HOCHSTAEDTEN, GUIDIN. Thank you.

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Hi Steve, If you get a private e-mail response about Zilina please let me know. What other cities are you searching? I'm interested in information about Radola and Neslusa just north of Zilina. Good luck ! John Jaso Researching Jaso Radola Babulak Neslusa Hudak Dubinne Novak Kurima ---------- > From: Steven Dubec <dubecs@CADVISION.COM> > To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM > Subject: Zilina, Slovakia - LDS Filming Complete? > Date: Sunday, March 02, 1997 2:23 PM > > Does anyone know whether the LDS have completed filming the records > for Zilina and neighboring towns within a 20km radius? > > Thank you. > > Steven Dubec > E-Mail Address: dubecs@cadvision.com