Looking for any information/meanings on the surnames Patac and Olgrtis. The latter may be spelled incorrectly, as it came from the return address on an old letter. It was from Rusocice, Czernichow, Krakow. Valenty Patac was listed as a border in my grandparents home on the 1920 census. This spelling may or may not be correct. My grandmothers name was listed as Mattie, yet another interesting way to pronounce and spell Mary. TIA Dennise

i4m seekin for all Hornas That live all around the world... Family name is HORNA Especially in Europe, Germany... HornaWT@t-online.de

I want to apologize to the entire group for having been very careless with my Reply button, and sending a very personal e-mail to everyone on Gen-Slavic by mistake.- it's been a long day! I think I have learned one darned good lesson this evening. - . Margaret Sheremata

If your name is Cwiklinski, please send me a message ! Thanks. Iann Cwiklinski (France) E-mail : cwik@magic.fr Phone & Fax : 03 44 74 14 47

Hi Felix, I should have amswered your message right away - no I am afraid that I have deleted it, and so am answering by memory You should be arriving back from Bonnie's this evening, according to what I remember - We are getting another "snow dump" tonight/tomorrow, according to the forecast, Ontario and Quebec. It is now minus 14 out there - and that isn't Fahrenheit. Yes, I got your feedback and I will keep quiet on Bukovina-Gen. But it is going to be hard. Every time I see Richard's signature I want to blurt out and ask if he has ever seen a netiquette FAQ. Slovak-World is sort of civilized these days, but stay with it for a while. They are sure to have another brawl soon. Gen-Slavic is VERY civilized <G>. Tell me something Felix, if I were to tell you that my brother's wife and her two adult children irritate me to no end, and always have, would you think I was being petty? She has never done me any wrong at all except to talk about my sisters as if they were not good daughters to my mother, and my sisters are really terrific. She plays up to my mother and my mother loves her very much, but I know Sanja is a phoney - so is that being petty? Does it sound like old fashioned childish jealousy? She is not the least bit sincere. My father saw through her and kept very quiet about it. What bothers me most is that I let Sanja bother me so much. The only other person I have ever discussed it with (besides Willow and Tamara) is my sister Lynn - Lynn really had it one evening and we ended up having a long talk - Lynn was so relieved that someone else in the family besides her "didn't trust Sanja" - All I hear Sanja talk about is money and dreams of winning a big lottery. She is extremely discontent. The latest that has gotten me going is just a very simple little thing, my mother mentioned that Sanja has to buy a new gown for Daniella's wedding in June, and that Daniella brought her fiance to visit my mother and "they are just a lovely couple". Daniella is Sanja's daughter, my brother's step-daughter. OK, now that simple little statement from my mother should not upset me, except that less than four years ago Daniella had her first big expensive wedding, I spent a lot of time and money for her wedding gift, air fare to attend the darned thing (maybe that's not fair, went to see my parents primarily) and never received so much as even a verbal "thank you" for the gift - - in fact, my mother was the only one who did get a "thank you" My aunt told me that she did not hear from Daniella after that wedding. Lynn was severely criticized by Sanja for sailing the Pacific coast with her husband instead of attending the wedding, but Lynn did send - by courier, some sterling silver to the wedding and did not get a thank you card either. Maybe I will get more to the point, Sanja and Daniella are nice to my mother only because they see dollar signs and we all know it and I really hate myself for resenting them because they make my mother feel very good when they visit her. Sanja is half Czech, a quarter Italian and a quarter Croation, born in Croatia. She is also manipulative, insincere, selfish, and tells lies. If my brother was happily married it would make a big difference to me, but I think he has had a hard time keeping them content. She would leave him in a minute if it weren't for certain things. Now that I have gotten this far Felix, wondering if I should delete all of this or not, but I think I won't because I really am disturbed by those people, when I shouldn't be - after all I am three thousand miles from them and don't have to see them very often, so it's better that I spill it all out to Felix than to my mother, I think. I am also upset with myself for not being able to get it off my mind. All it took was my mother taking an interest in Daniella's plans for her second wedding to set me off. (Daniella is not much older than Megan - she divorced her husband less than a year ago for "mental cruelty" - I thought her husband was quite a nice young man). This is one time I am leaning on you - <exploiting>. I am sure that you will be tired when you get back from Sebastian -I hope you and Jean had a good visit with Bob and Bonnie - the storm hasn't started here yet, but you picked a good time to be down there. Take care Felix, if there was any wine here I would go and have a glass, guess I will help myself to Megan's Coca Cola instead. Margaret

I have just started researching my Bohemian ancestors, whose last name was Cermak or Chermak. I haven't found much, and have been unable to determine if the name is relatively common or not. My great-grandfather was Stanislav Cermak, b. May 7, 1887 somewhere in Bohemia, d. Aug 1, 1951 in Idaho. His wife Katarina, maiden name also Cermak, was b. Nov. 4, 1887, d. in Idaho on May 8, 1932. Her parents were Marie (b. May 7, 1857, d. Nov 14, 1935) and Alois (b. Nov. 11, 1854, d. March 26, 1910) Cermak. I believe there are relatives in the Chicago area but have no information on them. If anyone has any information on the Cermak name, please respond.

MY GRANDFATHER'S NAME WAS DEMETER VOVOLKA AND HE CAME TO THE USA FROM CARPATHO-RUSYN AROUND 1920 WITH HIS BROTHER, JOHN. THEIR MOTHER'S NAME WAS CECELIA. I AM LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION ABOUT HIS FAMILY AND ANCESTORS.

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All of the Bohemian church records have been centralized during the USSR era in regional archives. You can now write in English to the appropriate archive and they can prepare a typed birth certificate and or copy the original pages out of the church record books. Radnice is either in the Trebon or Praha archive. I would start with Trebon, and they will forward it or write you back if that is wrong. Praha Horska 7 128 00 Praha Czech Republic Statni Oblastini ARchiv v Treboni Okres Jindrichuv Hradec 379 11 Treboni Czech Republic They will write you with the fees or you can send an international money order. It was $ 10. Specify whether you want certificate and zerox or just certificate. You may not even be able to read the zerox because of the old script and language. Tell them the religion if you know it. Once you are sure you have the right parish, if you are interested for $ 60-80 more they may be able to take your lineage back to the early 1800's or a little earlier. Happy hunting.

Try: J.B.Allcock@bradford.ac.uk or R.Jiggins@bradford.ac.uk both these gentlemen are knowledgable with regard to Yugoslavia. ---------- From: BMayer1266[SMTP:bmayer1266@AOL.COM] Sent: 08 March 1997 04:51 To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM Subject: Futtak, Yugoslavia I'm looking far any assistance that could help in finding out how to get records of this town post 1900's. Many of my family can be found in this town. There still may be people related to me there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. BMayer1266@aol.com

Czubek family from Toledo, Ohio, USA from Poznan (or around there) Poland, when it was Germany (pre1900s) Chelminiak-South Bend, Indiana, USA circa 1900. Not sure when or from where in Poland. ACzubek@aol.com

Searching for HUDACKO, HUDATSKO, HUDACSKO from Presov - Kosice area. Records show presence in village of Drienov, Saris County (formely Somos, Saros Megye) midway between the two cities since 1740. Also references to village of Kalniste (Kalniszti) just northeast of Presov. -- Dennis W. Hudacsko <hudxo2@concentric.net>

Try to contact the city hall in Radnice, Czech Republic. In many cities at city hall offices they have the birth records. RealCzech

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I saw the same chlorea epidemic in 1873 in Osturna, Szepes county west of Saros. John Hudick

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Does anyone know how I can get a birth certificate for someone who was born in Radnice, Czechoslovakia in 1873? Thanks in advance, Liz Riemer

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