Christ is in our midst, praise be to His most Holy Name.. God's Peace Diane, <Smile> Diane, I never knew your Grandfather, but when I was a very small child and asked my father who spent 2 years in the first grade with the first year learning English, especially since he was born in the US to teach me Russian he said that we are now AMericans and Russian was of no importants.. A very wise man my father because he knew what it was like being raised in an area where the Americans viewed us "Hunks" as unwanted job takers.. I even know some people who changed their name completly to become more American. ---------- > From: Diane Boettcher <boet@MAILHOST.OMEGANET.ES> > To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM > Subject: Re: Why were immigrants so secretive? > Date: Sunday, April 13, 1997 6:54 AM > > Norb and Jean Schmidt <felix@GR.CC.WA.US> wrote: > > Jill, I agree with you. My g'parents had the same philosophy. "We are in > > America now, and we speak English". My mother has almost no > >stories about her parents, nor did my father about his. > > Okay, when did you talk to *my* grandfather??? > > This quote is from his father...word for word. > > > Adio, Diane > boet@omeganet.es > Searching for: BOETTCHER, VOSIKA, BOHN, MITCH God Bless you and yours, you are in my prayers. A sinner Michael Researching Surnames: Kozubchuk, Kozubchik, Kozupchik, Kozubchyk, Kocuipchyk, Zuchick, Barna and Spears Kozupchik: Rechitsa, Khotin Dstrct, Khotinskoi volosti, Volhynia, Ukraine Perotsky/Porotsky: Rechitsa, Khotin Dstrct, Khotinskoi volosti, Volhynia, Ukraine Zuchick (Kozupchik): USA Barna: Certizne, Slovak Republic + O Lord and Master of my life, Grant not unto me a spirit of idleness, of discouragement, of lust for power, and of vain speaking. But bestow upon me, Thy servant, the spirit of chastity, of meekness, of patience, and of love. Yea, O Lord and King, grant that I may perceive my own transgressions, and judge not my brother, for blessed art Thou unto ages of ages. Amen.

Chet Mentz wrote: > > I have hear conflicting reports of how many people were put to death by > the gasses as in Buchenwald, Auslitz, etc. > I know that there were may other groups, as Gypsies, Colored people, > and Polish too, as well as political dissidents too. > What is closest to the truth on the actual number of people that were > put to death ? Also, what was the actual number of Jewish people of that > total ? Does it matter? If we argue about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, we still argue about the existence of angels, don't we? If Hitler murdered one person regardless of color, race or creed he is still reprehensible. Let's get on with the problems of today and not with the horrors of yesterday.

In article <03-27-1997.37713@wat.hookup.net> avsusko@wat.hookup.net (Alice V. Susko) writes: >Is there a C-R ListServ or NewsGroup? I would enjoy discussing >genealogy, culture with other Rusyns. Does anyone else feel that way? > >A. Susko ========= Since I posted the above message I received many messages from like-minded individuals one of which offered to set up a List. I lost his name and e-mail address. If the gentleman is reading this posting please contact me as I am anxious to know if your List is up and running as yet. Thank you. A. Susko

Try your local library for the book by Angus Baxter, "Searching for your German Ancestors" He also has a second book "Searching for your European Ancestors" Both will be helpful but the first one is exclusively about Germany and contains more detail. Good Luck Frank At 12:57 4/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >Has anyone with German-Bohemian ancestors been able to trace them back >into Bavaria or elsewhere in Germany? >Greenbrown@aol.com > Frank Robert Plichta plichta@worldnet.att.net P.O. Box 305, Galax, VA 24333-0305 "Quaerere summa reum familia PLICHTA." "Buscando el mundo por los PLICHTA." "Je cherche le monde pour les famille PLICHTA." "Ich suche nach PLICHTAs in der ganzen Welt." "Searching the world for PLICHTAs." Plichta/Plihta/Plichtova/Pleta Sie koennen mir in deutsch oder english schreiben. Plichtas originated in: Slovakia, Czech, Poland, and Germany.

On 13 Apr 1997 12:23:46 GMT, tpaxah@aol.com (TPAXAH) wrote: >Just to clarify.... > >These people were forced to "unify" with Rome. > > >-------- > >It is possible to find a middle word that between two views will signify both. But a middle view between to opposite views concerning the same thing is impossible....There is no room for compromise in matters of the Orthodox Faith. >---St. Mark of Ephesus I did not see original post, but what makes you say they were forced?

Surname search conducted by Ph.D. I am able to offer linguistic analysis of surname with information on meaning and origin. I also provide details on frequency and distribution of surnames in contemporary Poland. Translation services also available. E-mail for details. J.Piszczor

Is there a published guide (inventory) of the Bydgoszcz archives? -- *************** Adalbert Goertz ****** ph 717-762-7378 ******** retired in Waynesboro PA (65 miles from Baltimore/Washington DC Mennonite genealogy of East and West Prussia prior to 1945. Wanted: house in Colorado/New Mexico/Arizona for us retirees

At 06:57 PM 4/12/97 -0400, you wrote: Michael, It's as you say - not a single instance of any name resembling Kozubchik, or any likely variation thereof - ditto for zuchik (except Zuchok) - lots of Kozubs (some even distantly related to me). F. Bogdan states that the suffix '-chuk' (and perhaps variations such as chik/chyk) are also to be found in Byelorussia (Belarus) close to the Ukrainian border. Would this apply in your case? Kozubchik is certainly a 'diminutive' of Kozub, but if it is Ukrainian it seems strange that there wouldn't be a single mention of it in Canada, where there was a large influx of Ukrainian immigrants. One possibility is that the Canadian group would have been largely of Galician and Bukovinian origin. But, given that Kozub is common, then if Kozubchik is 'legit', there should certainly have been some mention of it. Sorry I can't help further. Bill W

To Pascal for his friend and others with Czech and Slovak backrounds. >From: Joanne <tjk@csrlink.net> >Subject: CS Gen. Soc. Int. > > Do you belong to the Czechoslovak Genealogical Society International? They have an excellant newsletter, Nas'e Rodina, that I am sure you would enjoy. Plus you can post queries and see if any of their members may have a connection. Write them at P.O. Box 16225, St. Paul, MN 55116-0225 >>Dues are only $15 and well worth it even if you just read all the great articles. They have a Homepage but in the dec. newsletter it said there still wasn't too much posted as they are just getting use to what they can do with it but you could try it at >>htttp://members.aol.com/cgsintl >> >> >

Norb and Jean Schmidt <felix@GR.CC.WA.US> wrote: > Jill, I agree with you. My g'parents had the same philosophy. "We are in > America now, and we speak English". My mother has almost no >stories about her parents, nor did my father about his. Okay, when did you talk to *my* grandfather??? This quote is from his father...word for word. Adio, Diane boet@omeganet.es Searching for: BOETTCHER, VOSIKA, BOHN, MITCH

To:gen-slavic Dear sirs: I'd realy like to ask for your help.I'm looking for my relatives, which moved to live in Russia (from Bulgaria) about 1900.Their names are: DIMITAR PANAJOTOV SHISHKOV.Born about 1870 in the town of Sliven-Bulgaria and his wife ATINA SHISHKOVA. They have worked for the railway ststion companies of Russia. They have had 2 kids: PANAJOT SHISHKOV-a son and a daughter DJENDA SHISHKOVA. Please. if have some information about these persons, feel free to contact me.I'd be very glad to leain about it. Thank Nikola Charakchiev-Bulgaria ncharak@tu-plovdiv.bg

To:gen-slavic Dear sirs: Please, I'd like you to inform me about the names of all Universities and Colleges in the USA in which: * the subjekt genealogy is psrt of the curriculum; * there are organizations, supporting financialy the genealogy students Thank Nikola Charakchiev-Bulgaria ncharak@tu-plovdiv.bg

In article <19970410073200.DAA15792@ladder01.news.aol.com>, beatagoose@aol.com wrote: > Do I have this right, Greek Catholic - Rome & Pope. > Different from Orthodox. > I have Grandchildren who are of Lithuian(I don't even know if I spelled it right) descent and a Granddaughter-in-law who is Ukranian/Galicia. > We are 95% German but my Great Granny was a Bonawitz - Sorbs/Wends in Eastern Germany, but she always said Bonawitz were og Polish descent, came from Village on Polish Border, can anyone help me. > I want to start on my Grandchildren's Genealogy, but no help.Secret's for sure. > Sylvia Graybill > beatagoose@aol.com Greek Catholics are usually called Eastern Rite or Byzantine Catholics or in the case of the Ukraine, Ukrainian Catholics. They reunited with Rome in the 16th Century, but kept their Greek Rite Liturgy (similar to Eastern Orthodox). They underwent persecution by the Poles and Russians, but still exist in Western Ukraine. They also exist in several other Eastern European countries. There is about five million in Eastern Europe today, despite the former Communist persecution. Mike

Hi Guys, I wanted to share a couple of thoughts and a find with you that happened to me in the last 24 hours. Last night I was perusing the Haller's Army index at the PGSA site with both paternal and maternal surnames, and learned a barrel full of stuff about my dad's family which I wouldn't have known if I hadn't found the listing for Alexandr Cieslikowski of Toledo,OH (my hometown, plus all the Cieslikowskis there are related to me). I called my dad, who said that yes, Alexandr was a cousin of his dad, and yes had served in WWI, but he didn't know the details or why. I explained a little about Haller's Army then. Turns out poor Alexandr came back from France a chronic alcoholic, got busted for working in a Polish bootlegging distillery during prohibition, and served a year in jail as a result. He worked only intermittently, and lived with my dad's family. He died in a VA hospital in Detroit from alcoholism. A sad tale, but my dad reminisced more...seems he has step relatives in Toledo (Urbanowicz)because my great-grandmother on his father's side was married more than once, and his father had to come to the US ahead of his family because the Russians in 1905 were coming after Poles to fight the Japanese in the extreme eastern Russian empire.My grandfather had already served his time with the Russians so it was not difficult for them to find him. Fortunately, he was a border guard on the border with Germany, and his counterpart on the other side was a buddy who smuggled him into Germany so he could go on to the US. None of us ever knew these stories! Sorry I went on so long, but the point remains as follows: YOU'LL FIND OUT ALL SORTS OF THINGS YOU'D NEVER KNOW IF YOU KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS AND CHECKING OUT NEW SOURCES FOR INFORMATION. If I hadn't found Alexandr, I wouldn't have found out so much more, because it simply never occurred to my dad to tell me about it. One simple question shook up his memories a great deal. So many of you have helped me so much, I thought this was worth sharing with the group even if it did get a little windy. Thanks again and keep on searching and sharing! Bonnie Cieslukowski Weissman P.S. I will be sending away to the PGSA for copies of Alexandr's records.

In researching my family history I have learned my great grandfather lived in Danzig Schlidlitz when he married in 1883. I would appreciate anyone mailing me a postcard from Danzig Schidlitz showing me the character of the city segment. Please email me to arrange it. Thanks very much, I appreciate it. Reimbursement. Ernie Misch 2337 Beechwood Dr. Royal Oak MI 48073 USA

In researching my family history I have learned one branch lived in Przewoz from 1788 until 1856. I would appreciate anyone mailing me an inexpensive postcard from Bytow Chojnice or Starogard showing me the hilly terrain and lakes. Please contact me by email to arrange it. Thanks very much, I appreciate it. Reimbursement. Ernie Misch 2337 Beechwood Dr. Royal Oak MI 48073 USA

---------- > From: Bill Watamaniuk <bimiwat@OSO.AURACOM.COM> > To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM > Subject: Re: ZINTSCHUK, searching. > Date: Saturday, April 12, 1997 10:39 AM > > At 04:21 AM 4/12/97 GMT, you wrote: > >The "chuk" ending of your grandfather's name is typically Ukrainian. Of > >course, Ukraine borders Belarus. Is it possible he was Ukrainian? ..... > > ................ > > > >Karl Karl, my grandfather was born in Belarus (1882), but the area where he was born is now in the Ukraine. What bothers me is the original surname was said Kozupchik which is pronounced as Ko-Zoo-chick and written, to my understanding, Kozubchik. With the common Ukrainian name ending as being chuk and the ending of my families name being chik or chyk, is my name Belarusan or Ukrainian.. I have search the world over trying to find my families original surname Kozupchik or Kozubchik and can only find the surname Kozub.. I often wonder am I part of the family Kozub. Since my grandfather Matvey Kozupchik came to the US in 1907, our name was changed to Zuchick and said Zoo-chick.. Talk about a puzzle.. > >> White Russian is now Belarus, I believe at one time part of this area was > >> also Poland. As was Rechitsa, Khotin Dstrct, Khotinskoi volosti, Volhynia where grandfather was born, was once in Belarus, but is now in the Ukraine. > My "Dictionary of Ukrainian Surnames In Canada", F. Bogdan, shows > the following variations: > Zenchak, Zenchuk, Zinchuk, and (of course) Zhenchuk. Bill what does your Dictionary of Ukrainian Surnames In Canada say about Kozupchik, Kozubchyk or other variations of my name to include Zuchick? > The variations may be the result of an attempt to transliterate the > name into English. The root 'zhen-', in Ukrainian (and many other Slavic > languages) refers to 'woman, wife, female, etc.'. Perhaps 'zin-. or 'zen-' > may be corruptions of 'zhen-', or may have no connection. Michael Researching Surnames: Kozubchuk, Kozubchik, Kozupchik, Kozubchyk, Kocuipchyk, Zuchick, Barna and Spears Kozupchik: Rechitsa, Khotin Dstrct, Khotinskoi volosti, Volhynia, Ukraine Perotsky/Porotsky: Rechitsa, Khotin Dstrct, Khotinskoi volosti, Volhynia, Ukraine Zuchick (Kozupchik): USA Barna: Certizne, Slovak Republic

Anyone have any experience or familiarity with it? Thanks, James Birkholz

Hi, Does anyone have any ideas on the origin of this surname: Terembitz I've been told it is "austrian" Thanks Lisa Baker twosocks@koan.com http://www.koan.com/~twosocks

re I am particularily interested in the latter - kazaki. Where might I find these revision lists for inspection? Are they in the national archives, the library of congress or the LDS microfilm collection? Adalbert Goertz responds >>>>>>>>>>>> I understand that they are being filmed by the LDS people. -- *************** Adalbert Goertz ****** ph 717-762-7378 ******** retired in Waynesboro PA (65 miles from Baltimore/Washington DC Mennonite genealogy of East and West Prussia prior to 1945. Wanted: house in Colorado/New Mexico/Arizona for us retirees