At 06:36 PM 5/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-05-27 09:11:58 EDT, you write: > ><< This type of mail seems to be the norm rather than the exception on this > list. I consider it in very poor taste to represent yourself as > geneaologists and then send this kind of junk. >> > >This type of mail is not sent by anybody on the list. It is sent by spammers >and has to be blocked for it not to get on the list. To accuse participants >of sending it is not right. > >Spammers sending this type of stuff are the ones causing havic on the net, >and people belonging to lists know better than to mess up a good thing for >themselves. > >Annie > >I replied back to one of them and telling them we were not interested in this type of mail and it was undeliverable. Guess they can send out info. and not give the correct address from: so we don't have a way to respond directly to this. jo

In a message dated 97-05-27 09:11:58 EDT, you write: << This type of mail seems to be the norm rather than the exception on this list. I consider it in very poor taste to represent yourself as geneaologists and then send this kind of junk. >> This type of mail is not sent by anybody on the list. It is sent by spammers and has to be blocked for it not to get on the list. To accuse participants of sending it is not right. Spammers sending this type of stuff are the ones causing havic on the net, and people belonging to lists know better than to mess up a good thing for themselves. Annie

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: soc.genealogy.slavic) In article <l03020906afb0a4e31bef@[199.224.69.221]>, Slavic Genealogy Discussion List <GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> wrote: [SNIP] >Secondly, is there a Catholic perspective, here? I know why the Mormons >want to identify their relatives, but aren't there Catholic interests in >family, roots, heritage, tradition, etc.? What would Rome think about >genealogy research? That it is a frivilous effort that takes priests from >their work, or that this is an important part of that work. (By the way, I >enclose some money along with my requests, which I learned from the >suggestions of others.) This depends on the parish. I have written to the RC parishwhich my family was intrumental in starting here in COnnecticut and the preiest there categorically denied me access to any church records. Through he seceretary I was told no one sees the records and that they do give out any information to genealogists. The records are for sacremental purposes (more like denying people the sacrements) only. I hope others have better luck than I. Nicholas Trahan -- It is possible to find a middle word that between two views will signify both. But a middle view between two opposite views concerning the same thing is impossible....There is no room for compromise in matters of the Orthodox Faith. ---St. Mark of Ephesus

In article <l03020906afb0a4e31bef@[199.224.69.221]>, Slavic Genealogy Discussion List <GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> wrote: [SNIP] >Secondly, is there a Catholic perspective, here? I know why the Mormons >want to identify their relatives, but aren't there Catholic interests in >family, roots, heritage, tradition, etc.? What would Rome think about >genealogy research? That it is a frivilous effort that takes priests from >their work, or that this is an important part of that work. (By the way, I >enclose some money along with my requests, which I learned from the >suggestions of others.) This depends on the parish. I have written to the RC parishwhich my family was intrumental in starting here in COnnecticut and the preiest there categorically denied me access to any church records. Through he seceretary I was told no one sees the records and that they do give out any information to genealogists. The records are for sacremental purposes (more like denying people the sacrements) only. I hope others have better luck than I. Nicholas Trahan -- It is possible to find a middle word that between two views will signify both. But a middle view between two opposite views concerning the same thing is impossible....There is no room for compromise in matters of the Orthodox Faith. ---St. Mark of Ephesus

Hello, >I am researching SOLTIS, SHOLTIS, FALTIN, KURUC, KURUTZ, GRIGLAK and >MAZUR. > She joined her husband, John Sholtis. They lived in West >Leisenring, PA. (Monarch). They had two more children, Anna and Steve. > >My grandfather, John A. Soltis, immigrated to America around 1913. He >was met in New York by his Uncle Valent Faltin. He came with Anton >Griglak. > >I don't have a specific town name but my grandfather mentioned >Lapsanka (spelling). > I encountered the Soltis surname while researching the church records of Slovinky, Slovakia. See the Slovinky home page at: iarelative@slovinky.com W. Anikouchine

Hi -- I noted with interest your question.. >>>Was there such an effort in Galicia to assist Polish Catholics? What was the situation of the Polish Catholics in Galicia? I know very little of their history. My great-grandmother Frances Czapkowicz came to Chicago from Galicia turn of the century because her parents wanted her to be a nun and she didn't want to. I don't know why she chose Chicago. Regards Michele Wucker (was Wukovits from Croatia via Burgenland til my great-grandpa changed it)

In article <l03020902afb0835a3aa2@[199.224.69.221]>, rllewis@USA.NET writes... > >In many cases, I have seen someone write > > ">Those who immigrated in the early 1880's came to the coal mining area >>of central PA. Some then went to the Chicago area ..." > >Why? I know about the coal mines in central PA. But why there, or >Chicago? (As opposed to New York City, Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, or >somewhere else?) I *know* they went where there were jobs, but why *those* >jobs? Why *those* areas? > >Was there an organized effort? I know there was the effort to get >Polish/Russian Jews to enter the US through Galveston, TX, and then settle >in Texas, Colorado, etc. Was there such an effort in Galicia to assist >Polish Catholics? My grandfather-in-law KAMYKOWSKI came through Baltimore, >and moved to Minersville, PA. Why did he go through Baltimore, stay with a >family named JENKINS (doesn't sound like *they* were relatives), and move? >Why did his cousin enter Baltimore, and go directly to Chicago? ------------------------- There are several reasons why a family might have entered Baltimore. First, Baltimore was the first port of call on some ships out of Germany, through which most Galicians passed. Thus the fare was cheaper and the ride shorter. Second, it was said, though I have no proof, that the medical exam given to immigrants disembarking in Baltimore might have been a little more lax than in New York. (Tuberculosis was a big problem at the turn of the century.) Third, many US companies recruited for workers in the Austro- Hungarian empire, including Galicia and Slovakia. A few of these companies, notably Bethlehen Steel, arranged for passage to Baltimore. Fourth, Baltimore was known in Europe as the center of American Catholocism. In fact there was a network in Baltimore set up by the church to provide temporary accommodations to new immigrants. Don't automatically consider these people as "Good Samaritans", however -- they were well compensated for their efforts. Just a few random thoughts.... Joe

I have also seen researchers write that they had encountered a priest who did not want to look up family records. That is our case - if my father-in-law's sister had not worked in the rectory for 30 years or so, the priest would not have looked for any family records. I know this for sure, because he said so directly, along with a "don't bother me again." This was not a church in Poland, either, it was in Pennsylvania, USA. (I say that because I understand that some Europeans don't fully understand our interest in our roots - that they have lived in essentially the same area for hundreds of years, and don't feel this need to 'connect.') And yet, there are many priests who understand our interest. So, I am asking two things: First, is there a priest who might write something for us to send along with our requests, reflecting a personal experience regarding genealogy research? Perhaps someone has helped reunite a family, or something like that. Secondly, is there a Catholic perspective, here? I know why the Mormons want to identify their relatives, but aren't there Catholic interests in family, roots, heritage, tradition, etc.? What would Rome think about genealogy research? That it is a frivilous effort that takes priests from their work, or that this is an important part of that work. (By the way, I enclose some money along with my requests, which I learned from the suggestions of others.) Ralph Lewis, Harrisburg, PA - rllewis@usa.net (also RalphLewis@aol.com) ***** Researching these families: (Genealogy is my hobby) CHATCHKALEVITZ/KHATCHKALOVITZ (Latvia,Vilna,Svencionys,SouthAfrica,Silale,Kovno,MA) BRUKARZ/BROOKS, ROCHAKOVSKY/ROCKOFSKAYA/ROCKOFF JACUBOVICZ/JACOBSON (Pultusk,Lomza), SALANT, RUDNITZKY, MATZKIN ROSEN (Switzerland, Poland[Pultusk?] ,Russia), SCZUPAK/LEWIS/LOUIS, STENBECK(sp?) KAMYKOWSKI, LENAR/LENART ---------- How well do *you* know Macintosh? Check out the EvangeList web site at: <http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/>

Ralph Lewis wrote: > > In many cases, I have seen someone write > > ">Those who immigrated in the early 1880's came to the coal mining area > >of central PA. Some then went to the Chicago area ..." > > Why? I know about the coal mines in central PA. But why there, or > Chicago? (As opposed to New York City, Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, or > somewhere else?) I *know* they went where there were jobs, but why *those* > jobs? Why *those* areas? > > Was there an organized effort? I know there was the effort to get > Polish/Russian Jews to enter the US through Galveston, TX, and then settle > in Texas, Colorado, etc. Was there such an effort in Galicia to assist > Polish Catholics? My grandfather-in-law KAMYKOWSKI came through Baltimore, > and moved to Minersville, PA. Why did he go through Baltimore, stay with a > family named JENKINS (doesn't sound like *they* were relatives), and move? > Why did his cousin enter Baltimore, and go directly to Chicago? > > Can we discuss some of the cultural/societal issues? Can we discuss some > of the 'color' - some of the 'fabric' of these immigrations? These people > were more than names and dates and descendants. > > Ralph Lewis, Harrisburg, PA - rllewis@usa.net (also RalphLewis@aol.com) Chicago was where the Polish National Catholic Church was founded. The migration to Chicago began in 1840's. Factories there. I did family research and many of them who came early were from southern Poland areas (such as Upper Silesia) Interesting answers to the questions you raised would be welcomed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ W. David Samuelsen Will Testators Indexes Online Visit http://www.wasatch.com/~dsam/sampubco/sampubco.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You pose some interesting questions. Some possible answers: 1. Chicago was booming with steel mills, and meat processing plants where jobs (at low pay and very hard work) were plentiful. Immigrants were the major employees. 2. Chicago was a gate to the midwest and upper mid west. Some went on and others stayed when they found work. 3. Chicago was doing a major rebuilding (= jobs) due to the Chicago Fire. Mike Surma

I am researching SOLTIS, SHOLTIS, FALTIN, KURUC, KURUTZ, GRIGLAK and MAZUR. Paul Kurutz married UNKNOWN. They had 5 children-Mary, John, George, Steve and Albert. My great-grandmother Mary Kurutz immigrated to America around 1901. She came with her daughter, Mary Ann and son, John Blair. She joined her husband, John Sholtis. They lived in West Leisenring, PA. (Monarch). They had two more children, Anna and Steve. Her brother John moved to Chicago, IL. I have no information on him other than that Anna Sholtis went to live with him around 1915. Anna married Martin Mazur and they had one son, Walter. He disappeared around 1945. I am looking for more information on him. Anna is buried at St Michael's cemetary in Lodi, NJ. I would like to find out if Walter is also buried there. John Blair married Anna Griglak. Mary Ann married John A. Soltis. The Kurutz and Kuruc families were originally from Felso Lapso. I am also researching my grandfather's family- Soltis and Faltin. My grandfather, John A. Soltis, immigrated to America around 1913. He was met in New York by his Uncle Valent Faltin. He came with Anton Griglak. I don't have a specific town name but my grandfather mentioned Lapsanka (spelling). Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Soraya bambha@sonnets.net

This type of mail seems to be the norm rather than the exception on this list. I consider it in very poor taste to represent yourself as geneaologists and then send this kind of junk.

In many cases, I have seen someone write ">Those who immigrated in the early 1880's came to the coal mining area >of central PA. Some then went to the Chicago area ..." Why? I know about the coal mines in central PA. But why there, or Chicago? (As opposed to New York City, Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, or somewhere else?) I *know* they went where there were jobs, but why *those* jobs? Why *those* areas? Was there an organized effort? I know there was the effort to get Polish/Russian Jews to enter the US through Galveston, TX, and then settle in Texas, Colorado, etc. Was there such an effort in Galicia to assist Polish Catholics? My grandfather-in-law KAMYKOWSKI came through Baltimore, and moved to Minersville, PA. Why did he go through Baltimore, stay with a family named JENKINS (doesn't sound like *they* were relatives), and move? Why did his cousin enter Baltimore, and go directly to Chicago? Can we discuss some of the cultural/societal issues? Can we discuss some of the 'color' - some of the 'fabric' of these immigrations? These people were more than names and dates and descendants. Ralph Lewis, Harrisburg, PA - rllewis@usa.net (also RalphLewis@aol.com) ***** Researching these families: (Genealogy is my hobby) CHATCHKALEVITZ/KHATCHKALOVITZ (Latvia,Vilna,Svencionys,SouthAfrica,Silale,Kovno,MA) BRUKARZ/BROOKS, ROCHAKOVSKY/ROCKOFSKAYA/ROCKOFF JACUBOVICZ/JACOBSON (Pultusk,Lomza), SALANT, RUDNITZKY, MATZKIN ROSEN (Switzerland, Poland[Pultusk?] ,Russia), SCZUPAK/LEWIS/LOUIS, STENBECK(sp?) KAMYKOWSKI, LENAR/LENART ---------- How well do *you* know Macintosh? Check out the EvangeList web site at: <http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/>

---------- > From: bambha@SONNETS.NET > To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM > Subject: surnames SOLTIS, SHOLTIS, FALTIN, KURUC AND OTHERS > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 10:12 AM > > I am researching SOLTIS, SHOLTIS, FALTIN, KURUC, KURUTZ, GRIGLAK and > MAZUR. > > Paul Kurutz married UNKNOWN. They had 5 children-Mary, John, George, > Steve and Albert. My great-grandmother Mary Kurutz immigrated to > America around 1901. She came with her daughter, Mary Ann and son, > John Blair. She joined her husband, John Sholtis. They lived in West > Leisenring, PA. (Monarch). They had two more children, Anna and Steve. > > Her brother John moved to Chicago, IL. I have no information on him > other than that Anna Sholtis went to live with him around 1915. > > Anna married Martin Mazur and they had one son, Walter. He disappeared > around 1945. I am looking for more information on him. Anna is buried > at St Michael's cemetary in Lodi, NJ. I would like to find out if > Walter is also buried there. > > John Blair married Anna Griglak. Mary Ann married John A. Soltis. > > The Kurutz and Kuruc families were originally from Felso Lapso. > > I am also researching my grandfather's family- Soltis and Faltin. > My grandfather, John A. Soltis, immigrated to America around 1913. He > was met in New York by his Uncle Valent Faltin. He came with Anton > Griglak. > > I don't have a specific town name but my grandfather mentioned > Lapsanka (spelling). > > Any help would be greatly appreciated!! > > Soraya > bambha@sonnets.net In regard to finding out who is buried in Lodi...call the cemetery office...I have found the people who work in cemetery offices to be the most pleasant and helpful people to work with. I have a copy of the deed from my husband's parents burial plot...it told me when his grandfather was buried and his middle initial (all useful information)...and we are looking for his grandmother because she was not there...the nice young girl at the cemetery sent me information on someone of the same name who died around the same time...but with another husband....I have also called 7 cemeteries looking for the elusive grandmother ...everyone was pleasant and helpful...unfortunately we haven't found her yet! Susan

I have researched the Kuruc(z) name also. The village is Lenartov and/or Mal'cov in Saris County. I also communicated with another fellow a few months ago who also researched the Kuruc name just across the border in Poland. He sent me a three page "Origin of the Kurucz Family Name - A talk with the guide at the Niedzica Castle - Frantisek Sedlak" If you can provide me with a FAX number, I'll send it. I can't seem to find his e-mail address at the moment. John Hudick mtnmann@aol.com

Karel Kysilka wrote: > > SPANHEL, SPANIEL, SPANEL, also SPANIHEL are rather common Czech surnames, describing the origin of the bearer: The Spaniard. Either, in fact, one whose ancesto > The distribution of the surname in Bohemia and Moravia is regular, no specific areas of occurence. > Karel > ---------- > Od: Stephanie Spanhel[SMTP:sspanhel@GARCIA.EFN.ORG] > Odeslano: 19. kvltna 1997 3:50 > Komu: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM > Pxedmlt: Surname: SPANHEL > > Hi all ... > > I'm looking for anything I can find on this (my) surname. Migration to > the US from Czechoslovkia 1910-1940? Walter Spanhel, my grandfather, b. > 1924-1926 in Cz. or US; d. 1960-1961 in US, Tx. Nobody who knows is left > alive, and the folks who knew didn't tell when they were living ... I'm > especially interested in when and why. Any leads would be great -- and > I'm certain it's not a misspelling. > > Thanks, > Stephanie Spanhel Hi Stephanie, I was very interested in the possible connection with the Spaniel name with a possible Spanish origin of a Bohemian name. My interest stems from a possible connection /origin of my namme (Gugos) with the famous Spanish town Burgos- which was on the main route to the Shrine of Santiago de Compostela in Spain for centuries.My immediate ancestors came from Eastern Slovakia, but I have heard of another large Bugos family living in Plzen and others living in Andora and a famous goldsmith who lived just north of Burgos in France. There was a lot more movement of people in Europe than I had suspected in the middle ages. Major migrations took place when the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 and when the Protestants were expelled from France in 1685. There was also a stream of artisans moving around as the conditions in varios ares changed. John Bugosh

Looking for assistance in locating or finding information on the ancestors and descendants of, Dr. VANDAR. This individual was a Doctor of Letters and during the Russian take over of the country of Hungary was a member of the Hungarian Parliament. When he found out that he was singled out for execution he escaped from Hungary where he was forced to leave behind his wife and possibly his children. He settled in Garfield, NJ. where he contacted my father John Bobik (b-1897 in Kozuchov, Slovakia d-1990 in Trenton, NJ.) and said he was a relative. He told my father, that the two of them had the same John Bobik as a grandfather. My Brother Jozef use to pick up Dr. Vandar and bring him to Trenton for visits. This had to be in the mid 1950's, when I was in Alaska. Agents from Hungary tried twice to abduct Dr. Vandar to return him to Hungary to be executed. One of the incidents got him to the airport and they almost got him on the airplane, when his shouts alerted the security and they were able to stop the abduction. The Hungarian government put his wife into solitary confinement and than notified Dr. Vandar that if he returned his wife would be released. He did not return and she was held for two years. His wife persevered and finally was released. My information tells me that Dr. Vandar had a daughter a son and one additional adopted son. If you are familiar with this nightmare or have any knowledge concerning the above, Please contact me through my Email, > bobiksr@netpluscom.com < I'm in Ohio Thank you for your precious time and any assistance. Emil

Gwizdala is Polish. Though quite uncommon, the surname is found today in Poland. J.Piszczor Subject: Familie Gwizdala >From: "Krzysztof Gwizdala" <gwizkris@polbox.com> >Date: 25 May 97 16:12:04 GMT >Message-ID: <01bc6926$36821620$LocalHost@ppp> >Familie gwizdala ich habe in Polen, Deutschland, USA, Kanada gefunden. >sagen mir bitte aus welches Land ist diese Familie - >polnische, deutsche, >ukrainian, litauen ? > Kris

Vladimir Samohutin wrote: > > Can anyone help me with the names Danchenko, Kolesnik and Popovskii? All > are from the Ukraine, in the Vinnitsa oblast? Samohutin (not sure of > original spelling) is from Belarus. > > Also, how does one go about getting genealogical info from the Ukraine and > Belarus? What are some sources for these tasks? > > Thanks. > > vladimir@netaccess.on.ca There are addresses for Ukrainian archives on the Ukrainian Genealogy and Heritage site, http://ic.net/~ggressa/ukr.html Jim

Jozef Gondek wrote: > > On 16 May 1997 00:01:36 GMT, rair@aol.com (RaiR) wrote: > > >Hi :-) > > > >I am researching the FORGAC and MATTIS families in Slovakia. > > > >Please contact me if you are researching these families also. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Rai > >RaiR@aol.com > I know man with name Forgac. Mattis are you shure? Maybe Matisko. > Dodo. I have been doing Forgac/Forgacs/Forgach research for many years and would also like to contact others doing work on this family. My Forgac's came from what is now Eastern Slovakia but my interest is in the family in general in "Historical Hungary" and especially the significant role they played in many of the important events throughout the history of the entire region, including present day Slovakia.. John Bugosh, Venice, FL