In article <199705291525.LAA63038@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>, Slavic Genealogy Discussion List <GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> wrote: >Hi, Nicholas-- >Just curious-- which Connecticut parishes? My Polish immigrant ancestors >lived first in Moodus, then in Willimantic. >Thanks! >Jill Hi Jill, It was St. Cyril & Methodious Slovak Catholic Church in Bridgeport. I think what I am going to do is write a long letter with the dates that I have and ask for confirmation (of course, enclosing some cash). Just an example. My mother (who died in Jan. 1996) had a brother who died at the age of three months in 1947. My grandparents did not have enough money at the time to put a headstone on his grave. I would like to do that now that my Mother and grandparents are gone. I know where (which cemetary) my Uncle is buried, but I don't know the date he was buried. I am also needing baptism dates for my family. Frankly, I think it's ridiculous that this priest won't do this. Nicholas Trahan -- It is possible to find a middle word that between two views will signify both. But a middle view between two opposite views concerning the same thing is impossible....There is no room for compromise in matters of the Orthodox Faith. ---St. Mark of Ephesus

I am looking for research on the following surnames: Hriczko Remach Pitko Krotky Hricko Holecko Valo Krotki Slavik Holesko Valyo Sefcik Bihary Fedor Kellish Dutko Rather than bombarding the list, please respond to me privately at mhricko@geauga.kent.edu Thanks.

Just several comments regarding this subject: ACzubek wrote: > Maybe, if someone is involved in their parish & interested in genealogy, > the pastor would allow them to take over looking up the records for those > that request information. That should help out the priest if his reason > is that he is too busy. I have been actively involved in many Catholic parishes over the years and most(Not All) priests are very busy people but will try and help anyone with a request for data. Not all but most will assist if they can. It is appropriate when corresponding to enclose a stipend to cover the costs of the time of a secretary since secretaries are paid workers and it would be reasonable to expect a search and generating a response to require a minimum of a half hour and probably more. I normally enclosed $20.00 for the first lookup requested and an additional $10.00 for each additional record required. That may seem like a lot to some of you but do consider the cost of time and effort on their part to satisfy your request. > She was helpful when > I went there, although she guarded each piece of paper & only let me see > them one at a time. > In Mt Pleasant PA at one church, I was given access to the books and permitted to scan the records myself. At another churchfrom which I wanted data, I had to sit acroos from the priest and he would not let me touch the books. It seems that several years ago some jackass when given access to the books tore out pages that contained to records he wanted rather than copy them. Now they let no-one touch them and are very guarded with the books. It takes all kinds. My best suggestion is to be as specific as possible about what you want. A general request such as please provide me with the birth, marriage and death records for the name so-and-so will probably be ignored. ALso ask for transcriptions of the record, not certificates. The reason is that very often included in the records is place of birth of parents in baptisms, and place of birth of the subjects in marriages and deaths. That data will not normally be provided in a certificate but will be provided in a transcription. I got to be too verbose on this subject. Enough -- Regards adny Verostko

This is for Sarah Shaw Tatounova: I would like to visit with you off list about something not of interest to the group. I tried to send to sshaw@TERMINAL.CZ but it was bounced back. Is that the correct address? Thanks LuAnne

Hi, Nicholas-- Just curious-- which Connecticut parishes? My Polish immigrant ancestors lived first in Moodus, then in Willimantic. Thanks! Jill ---------- > From: Nicholas Trahan <ntrahan@SAROVPRESS.COM> > To: GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM > Subject: Re: Priests Sympathetic to Genealogy Requests > Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 4:11 PM > > In article <l03020906afb0a4e31bef@[199.224.69.221]>, Slavic Genealogy > Discussion List <GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> wrote: > > [SNIP] > >Secondly, is there a Catholic perspective, here? I know why the Mormons > >want to identify their relatives, but aren't there Catholic interests in > >family, roots, heritage, tradition, etc.? What would Rome think about > >genealogy research? That it is a frivilous effort that takes priests from > >their work, or that this is an important part of that work. (By the way, I > >enclose some money along with my requests, which I learned from the > >suggestions of others.) > > This depends on the parish. I have written to the RC parishwhich my > family was intrumental in starting here in COnnecticut and the preiest > there categorically denied me access to any church records. Through he > seceretary I was told no one sees the records and that they do give out > any information to genealogists. The records are for sacremental purposes > (more like denying people the sacrements) only. > > I hope others have better luck than I. > > Nicholas Trahan > -- > It is possible to find a middle word that between two views will signify both. > But a middle view between two opposite views concerning the same thing is > impossible....There is no room for compromise in matters of the Orthodox Faith. > ---St. Mark of Ephesus

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Hi Bill, you can order old maps from the German time: Institut fuer Angewandte Geodaesie Aussenstelle Berlin Stauffenbergstr. 13 D-10785 Berlin. The old German village names and the new Polish names can be found in Ortsnamenverzeichnis der Ortschaften jenseits von Oder und Nei_e Verlag Gerhard Rautenberg, Leer/Germany. For genealogy research in the former West Prussia see http://w3g.med.uni-giessen.de/~geneal/kp/fome/fo-wpr.html Bye Michael

found these: John Barczuk in San Antonio, TX email buyahome@txdirect.net Kristin Barczuk email Kbarczuk@umich.edu A & Jan Barczuk 2223 Clarence Ave Berwyn, IL 60402-2448 Alan Barczuk 1896 Springmont Dr Pittsburg, PA 15241-2152 Anthony Barczuk Josica Dr #285 Aquebogue, NY 11931-0285 C & Ryszard Barczuk 7938 Piney Wd Ct Indianapolis, IN 46214-1532 Edwin S & Loraine Barczuk 1514 Maple Ave Wilmette, IL 60091-3243 Grzego Barczuk 154 Central St S Weymouth, MA 02190-2746 Helen Barczuk 10197 W Higgins Rd #g3 Des Plaines, IL 60018-3875 John Barczuk 8646 Timber Ldge San Antonio, TX 78250 Jos Barczuk 400 1st Street Donora, PA 15033-1415 Josefa Barczuk 1734 N Paulina St. Chicago, IL 60622-1463 Mark & Lynn Barczuk 950 W Dry Crk Rd Littleton, CO 80120-8001 Matthew & C Barczuk 30864 Robert Dr. Livonia, MI 48150-2931 R Barczuk 277 Madison Ave. Irvington, NJ 07111-1612 S Barczuk Melbourne, FL 32901 (no street address listed) S & Ilona Barczuk 6416 28th Place Berwyn, IL 60402-2766 Ted Barczuk 635 La Jolla Cir. Venice, FL 34287-2598 Ted & T Barczuk 1199 S Sheldon Rd #17 Plymouth, MI 48170-2168 Hope this helps. Linda Frits Spanhaak wrote: > > Hello everyone. > > Does anyone know the name Barczuk? A colleage of my wife would be very > happy to find some relatives of her. If possible with adresses. > > Thank you. > Greatings from Frits Spanhaak (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)

I believe this to be an important thread and also have asked my self the question... Why did they end up in Chicago. Obviously jobs. In searching my family history I discovered that many of the Slovaks from the area around Brezova pod Bradlom, Nitra, Slovakia came to Chicago to work in the tanneries. For almost three hundred years there was a tannery near Brezova in Slovakia. In Chicago the famed stockyards produced hides and thus Chicago had many tanneries around the turn of the Century were many Slovaks worked. It is interesting that my great grandfather who came to Chicago DID NOT work in the tanneries in Brezova. One of the 1900s Slovak neighborhoods; Chicago Avenue near Ogden & Milwaukee Avenues was not far from the tannery district along the Chicago River at Division. (to Armitage Ave). It is my guess that Chicago had enough factory work to accommodate immigrant workers, although some Slovaks who came were professional people. Momentum must also play a role in where they migrate to. A group of some must attract others. I would be interested in hearing from others on this subject. >Why? I know about the coal mines in central PA. But why there, or >Chicago? (As opposed to New York City, Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, or >somewhere else?) I *know* they went where there were jobs, but why *those* >jobs? Why *those* areas? >Was there an organized effort? I know there was the effort to get >Polish/Russian Jews to enter the US through Galveston, TX, and then settle >in Texas, Colorado, etc. Was there such an effort in Galicia to assist >Polish Catholics? My grandfather-in-law KAMYKOWSKI came through Baltimore, >and moved to Minersville, PA. Why did he go through Baltimore, stay with a >family named JENKINS (doesn't sound like *they* were relatives), and move? >Why did his cousin enter Baltimore, and go directly to Chicago? >Can we discuss some of the cultural/societal issues? Can we discuss some >of the 'color' - some of the 'fabric' of these immigrations? These people >were more than names and dates and descendants. George Valko Chicago, IL 71160.117@compuserve.com searching VALKO, Lutheran family Brezova pod Bradlom, Senica, Nitra, Slovakia >1892-1893 Chicago, other spellings, Valco, Volko, Walko also searching Rechtoris, Kostelny from Brezova pod Bradlom - other surnames in chart- Barosko, Cano, Danko, Janiss, Golosinec, Karlik, Katlovsky, Kopecky, Kriho, Kucerka, Vrana

I purchased for my Father (For Fathers Day) a photograph of the steamship that his Grandfather arrived from Poland on. I'm looking for a meaningful quote to attach to the print. I wish that I could think of the perfect words.Perhaps someone has a suggestion. Email: Workintv@aol.com Thanks everyone.....

I live in Toledo, Ohio, USA. There is a Polish church here, St Hedwig's, that has someone come in to do the genealogy look-ups. I believe that she also will do some more extensive look-ups for a small fee. Maybe, if someone is involved in their parish & interested in genealogy, the pastor would allow them to take over looking up the records for those that request information. That should help out the priest if his reason is that he is too busy. I needed some information from a convent's records of my great-aunt. They had a sister that worked as archivist 1 day a week. She was helpful when I went there, although she guarded each piece of paper & only let me see them one at a time. ACzubek@aol.com >Subject: Re: Priests Sympathetic to Genealogy Requests >From: John Pejza <jpejza@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:28:09 -0700 >Message-ID: <338BA649.5340@ix.netcom.com> >Ralph Lewis wrote: > So, I am asking two things: > > First, is there a priest who might write something for us to send along > with our requests, reflecting a personal experience regarding genealogy > research? Perhaps someone has helped reunite a family, or something like > that. > > Secondly, is there a Catholic perspective, here? I know why the Mormons > want to identify their relatives, but aren't there Catholic interests in > family, roots, heritage, tradition, etc.? What would Rome think about > genealogy research? That it is a frivilous effort that takes priests from > their work, or that this is an important part of that work. (By the way, I > enclose some money along with my requests, which I learned from the > suggestions of others.) > >There is no specific Catholic perspective as with the Mormons, but >certainly there are Catholic interests in tradition and heritage. (Any >church that's 2000 years old certainly has a lot of interest in >tradition!) > To be quite honest, I don't know why Catholic churches keep records for >more than 70 or 80 years. The main time they are used for church >purposes is in marriage preparation. A fresh copy of the baptismal >certificate is ordinarily requested to ensure that the individual is >free to marry (a note ordinarily is made in the baptismal record of a >marriage or ordination). After a person dies, there really is no reason, >other than historical, for keeping the records. > I suppose some priests have a greater sense of maintaining the privacy >of their parishioners, living or dead, than others. They might feel >that, even though you might be a relative, you don't have any right to >the information. That, plus irritation at being asked to dig in musty >and dusty old records (which are probably not conveniently located), >might be the reason that some priests don't answer requests for >information. Since I work in a school and not a parish, I can't give you >a definitive answer. > Personally, I have never requested any records from any parish. I have >used the Mormon microfilms of Polish church records to trace my father's >family back to about 1830 in Poland. But a cousin, while in Poland, did >go to the local parish and obtain a copy of his grandparents' marriage >certificate. > So I don't know if that helps you or not. Feel free to pursue this >further if you think it will help. > >Father Jack Pejza ACzubek@aol.com

My Grandmother, Maryanna Zak, (parents Stanislawa and Antoniny Dzierwa of Rusocice, Czernichow, Galacia) landed in Baltimore and then went to work in the stockyards of Chicago. Legend has it that a relative in Chicago was her sponsor. She stayed for two years until, by arranged marriage, she left for the state of Washington with Jan Jamrozik (parents Jana and Maryany Jamrozik of Jawornik Polski, Przemysl, Galacia,) one day after they met and were married on 13 NOV 1915. They lived in a Polish community in the state of Washington called Pe Ell. My sister now lives in the original home they built on ten acres. They went to these places for familiarity, family and a sense of community. They went because they were accepted and necessary to the community. Dennise Larson ZAK and DZIERWA of Rusocice, Czernichow, (Galacia) Poland JAMROZIK of Jawornik Polski, Przemysl, (Galacia) Poland

Cookie wrote: > > Ralph Lewis wrote: > > > > In many cases, I have seen someone write > > > > ">Those who immigrated in the early 1880's came to the coal mining area > > >of central PA. Some then went to the Chicago area ..." > > > > Why? I know about the coal mines in central PA. But why there, or > > Chicago? (As opposed to New York City, Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, or > > somewhere else?) I *know* they went where there were jobs, but why *those* > > jobs? Why *those* areas? > > > > Was there an organized effort? I know there was the effort to get > > Polish/Russian Jews to enter the US through Galveston, TX, and then settle > > in Texas, Colorado, etc. Was there such an effort in Galicia to assist > > Polish Catholics? My grandfather-in-law KAMYKOWSKI came through Baltimore, > > and moved to Minersville, PA. Why did he go through Baltimore, stay with a > > family named JENKINS (doesn't sound like *they* were relatives), and move? > > Why did his cousin enter Baltimore, and go directly to Chicago? > > > > Can we discuss some of the cultural/societal issues? Can we discuss some > > of the 'color' - some of the 'fabric' of these immigrations? These people > > were more than names and dates and descendants. > > > > Ralph Lewis, Harrisburg, PA - rllewis@usa.net (also RalphLewis@aol.com) > > > > ***** Researching these families: (Genealogy is my hobby) > > CHATCHKALEVITZ/KHATCHKALOVITZ > > (Latvia,Vilna,Svencionys,SouthAfrica,Silale,Kovno,MA) > > BRUKARZ/BROOKS, ROCHAKOVSKY/ROCKOFSKAYA/ROCKOFF > > JACUBOVICZ/JACOBSON (Pultusk,Lomza), SALANT, RUDNITZKY, MATZKIN > > ROSEN (Switzerland, Poland[Pultusk?] ,Russia), SCZUPAK/LEWIS/LOUIS, > > STENBECK(sp?) > > KAMYKOWSKI, LENAR/LENART > > ---------- > > How well do *you* know Macintosh? Check out the EvangeList web site at: > > <http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/> > > I totally agree! My great grandfather & his wife came to America > directly from Poland. They lived in Minersville. However, most of the > family (sons & daughters) eventually moved to Chicago. What is up with > that? > Curious > Ann Marie Writing about the Slovaks in a scholarly book titled Immigration and Urbanization, the Slovak Experience, 1870-1918, M. Mark Stolarik documents that the movement of the Slovaks was characterized by chain immigration and endogamy. The summary of Chapter II reads in part: "Thus did Slovak immigrants to America cluster in certain regions of the United States and in certain parts of cities, and gradually adopt some aspects of American culture while rejecting others. The industrial northeast portion of this country attracted the majority, especially the state of Pennsylvania. They eventually turned parts of cities into ethnic neighborhoods that reflected village life not only in the close proximity of their dwellings but also in the continuing practice of marrying partners from the same or neighboring Old World villages. While the earliest comers, in the absence of such neighborhoods, often had a difficult time adjusting to the New World, later arrivals headed straight for these ethnic areas and found it relatively easy to live and work in America because they had the security of the "ghettos" to fall back upon..." Maybe this was a pattern in other eastern European groups as well, I don't know. Jim

Ralph Lewis wrote: > > In many cases, I have seen someone write > > ">Those who immigrated in the early 1880's came to the coal mining area > >of central PA. Some then went to the Chicago area ..." > > Why? I know about the coal mines in central PA. But why there, or > Chicago? (As opposed to New York City, Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, or > somewhere else?) I *know* they went where there were jobs, but why *those* > jobs? Why *those* areas? > > Was there an organized effort? I know there was the effort to get > Polish/Russian Jews to enter the US through Galveston, TX, and then settle > in Texas, Colorado, etc. Was there such an effort in Galicia to assist > Polish Catholics? My grandfather-in-law KAMYKOWSKI came through Baltimore, > and moved to Minersville, PA. Why did he go through Baltimore, stay with a > family named JENKINS (doesn't sound like *they* were relatives), and move? > Why did his cousin enter Baltimore, and go directly to Chicago? > > Can we discuss some of the cultural/societal issues? Can we discuss some > of the 'color' - some of the 'fabric' of these immigrations? These people > were more than names and dates and descendants. > > Ralph Lewis, Harrisburg, PA - rllewis@usa.net (also RalphLewis@aol.com) > > ***** Researching these families: (Genealogy is my hobby) > CHATCHKALEVITZ/KHATCHKALOVITZ > (Latvia,Vilna,Svencionys,SouthAfrica,Silale,Kovno,MA) > BRUKARZ/BROOKS, ROCHAKOVSKY/ROCKOFSKAYA/ROCKOFF > JACUBOVICZ/JACOBSON (Pultusk,Lomza), SALANT, RUDNITZKY, MATZKIN > ROSEN (Switzerland, Poland[Pultusk?] ,Russia), SCZUPAK/LEWIS/LOUIS, > STENBECK(sp?) > KAMYKOWSKI, LENAR/LENART > ---------- > How well do *you* know Macintosh? Check out the EvangeList web site at: > <http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/> I totally agree! My great grandfather & his wife came to America directly from Poland. They lived in Minersville. However, most of the family (sons & daughters) eventually moved to Chicago. What is up with that? Curious Ann Marie

Wish to purchase a directory of equivalents for Polish/German place names in the former West Prussia to facilitate genealogical research. I am currently working from German language maps of 1850-1880 and I will have to seek data from surviving municipalities which are now Polish. There is not much correlation in spelling and identifying towns by comparison of topographical features would be a daunting and inexact task. Thank you for your consideration of this request. (signed) Bill

In article <9705272003.AA18538@pcnet1.pcnet.com>, ntrahan@SAROVPRESS.COM writes... > >(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: >soc.genealogy.slavic) > >In article <l03020906afb0a4e31bef@[199.224.69.221]>, Slavic Genealogy >Discussion List <GEN-SLAVIC@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> wrote: > >[SNIP] >>Secondly, is there a Catholic perspective, here? I know why the Mormons >>want to identify their relatives, but aren't there Catholic interests in >>family, roots, heritage, tradition, etc.? What would Rome think about >>genealogy research? That it is a frivilous effort that takes priests from >>their work, or that this is an important part of that work. (By the way, I >>enclose some money along with my requests, which I learned from the >>suggestions of others.) > >This depends on the parish. I have written to the RC parishwhich my >family was intrumental in starting here in COnnecticut and the preiest >there categorically denied me access to any church records. Through he >seceretary I was told no one sees the records and that they do give out >any information to genealogists. The records are for sacremental purposes >(more like denying people the sacrements) only. > >I hope others have better luck than I. > >Nicholas Trahan >-- Nicholas, In my opinion the priest who categorically denied you access to the church records was irresponsible. In many cases, the church files contain the only existing records of some births and marriages. People need to access these records for a variety of legal reasons. This matter should be reported to the bishop of the diocese. Priests are not obligated to give out information where there is no established "need to know". I have found the following to be helpful in requesting information from Catholic Churches in the US and in Poland -- and I have gotten responses to 95% of my requests: 1) Be specific as to the person or persons for whom data is requested. A birth, baptism, death or marriage date (or at least a close guess) is important. Many pastors do not mind copying out information if they can find it quickly in their ledgers, but have little time or interest in fishing through volume after volume of records. Don't forget that a charge is almost always made for copying a baptismal or marriage certificate ($5 more or less , depending on the parish) and if the pastor is expected to fish through the records, payment by the hour for research time is expected in many parishes. You should enclose an offering and offer to pay reasonable costs to have your search conducted. 2) If you write to Poland, make sure you write in Polish -- very few priests in Poland are fluent in English, particularly in the villages. This is less of a problem in Czech Republic or Slovakia. Enclose an offering in US currency and add $1.00 US for return postage. Enclose a non-stamped return envelope. 3) Expect to wait a month for a domestic request and 3 + months from Europe. Good luck. Joe

Hi, at least the name Faltin is multiple in my database of the former East Prussian (German) county of Ortelsburg. Bye Michael

Concerning the Vondra surname- I found one that sounds so similar in the Kurima, Slovakia church records. It, however, is spelled Jvondar. I wondered if you had thought of the possibility of the whole range of sound-alike spellings? Joan Lapinski

Hello everyone. Does anyone know the name Barczuk? A colleage of my wife would be very happy to find some relatives of her. If possible with adresses. Thank you. Greatings from Frits Spanhaak (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)