>These must be Boz~c~ice and Sac~urov, both located close together, >west of Michalovce, and not too far from your other three villages. > >Boz~c~ice is northeast of Sec~ovce (south of Vranov), and Sac~urov is >a little farther north, just south of Vranov nad Topl'ou. > >Joe >[email protected] Thank you for all the replies. I belive the above response is what I am looking for. Thank you again. Mark Bugno - Youngstown, Ohio, USA Researching the surnames: BUGNO, BUS, KOZA, OTT, VASKO, VAJDA, PETRUSKA, PAVLIK, CHETSKO, BEDNAR, RADANOVIC, SAVICH, STOPNICK, OWCARZ, OSIAL

Replying to Audrey Horvat's statement that her ancestors lived in Willard WISC - on the FEEFHS page the search engine searches a book about historical memories of Willard WISC for oral histories and summeries by surname. Good luck - Keli

Would anyone be able to tell me areas or regions in Slovakia the following towns or villages are/were in prior to 1910? What I have found in the family Bible is as follows: Kezmarek, Czecko Slovaka, Europa Budkovec, Europa (I am assuming this, too, is in Czecko Slovaka) These towns/villages are where my husband's great grandparents are from. The following names I found in the family Bible: Anna Biacovsky Garcar, b1876 Michael Garcar, b1875 (The way they pronounced Garcar was as if it had a ch in it.) Stephen Vagasky, b 8-10-1882 Barbara Mroz Vagasky, 5-12-1889 (The way they pronounced Vagasky was Vagutsky.)

Jim, It's a great question and I will be watching for a response. My grandparents are believed to have come from near Prague in 1868, ending up in Chicago where they married in 1879. Since they were approximately 12 years old in 1868, I assume they came with their respective families, but perhaps boys might have traveled alone, seeking work and a better life in America? Elaine James J Kallal wrote: > I want to describe how my Bohemian emigrant family may > have traveled from southern Bohemia near Milevsko > to their embarkation port of Bremen Germany in the Fall of 1853. > > To travel to Prague along or /on the Vlatva is a realistic assumption. > then what options where available to them to travel to Bremen? > > When did railways FIRST link Prague or any other part of the Bohemian > region > with the port of > > Bremen /Bremerhaven? > > Hamburg? > > Were there any steamboats on the waterways at this time? > > Facts solicited. > Opinions entertained. > > Jim in CA

I want to describe how my Bohemian emigrant family may have traveled from southern Bohemia near Milevsko to their embarkation port of Bremen Germany in the Fall of 1853. To travel to Prague along or /on the Vlatva is a realistic assumption. then what options where available to them to travel to Bremen? When did railways FIRST link Prague or any other part of the Bohemian region with the port of Bremen /Bremerhaven? Hamburg? Were there any steamboats on the waterways at this time? Facts solicited. Opinions entertained. Jim in CA

Mark, Try Name Key Lattitude Longitude Feature Name Bostice PPL 490 50' N 150 4' E Populated Place No luck with Sachuron. Al Stoffa [email protected] Researching STOFA and TOMAS from the Humenne, Zemplin, Slovakia area to NE PA. Researching GREGA and DURICA from Slovakia to NE PA. An8tracker wrote: > Group, > > I am having trouble finding a few cities (villages) that I beleive are located > in Slovakia. My great-grandfather, Mike Vasko was born in Drahnov. He also > lived in Budkovce and Vojany. I have found all three of these places, they are > a few kilometers away and are all just south of Michalovce, near the Russian > border. Mike Vasko married Anna Pavlik who was born in Bostice (maybe spelled > Boscice? I have seen in written both ways by my family). The two were married > in Sachuron, January 18, 1912. I cannot find either Bostice or Sachuron on a > map. I beleive that Bostice and/or Sachuron are near the three cities Mike > Vasko lived in since after the two were married, they lived in Vojany. Can > someone please help me find these places? Thank you. > > Mark Bugno - Youngstown, Ohio, USA > > Researching the surnames: BUGNO, BUS, KOZA, OTT, VASKO, VAJDA, PETRUSKA, > PAVLIK, CHETSKO, BEDNAR, RADANOVIC, SAVICH, STOPNICK, OWCARZ, OSIAL

I attempted to send you a copy of the Clinton information you requested by your post to this list. Your mail was returned to me. I'm sorry, List, but I don't know how else to reach him. I'll use this note to mention my names: SLEPICKA and HRUSKA Bohemian immigrants, looking for name anywhere anytime

I hold this excellent book published in 1993; it provides a detailed and provocative study of Czech immigration beyond the Mississippi, 1850-1900. I wish to contact the author, Stepanka Korytova-Magstadt, regarding documents and sources in the Milevsko Region. Can some one provide an address?

Group, I am having trouble finding a few cities (villages) that I beleive are located in Slovakia. My great-grandfather, Mike Vasko was born in Drahnov. He also lived in Budkovce and Vojany. I have found all three of these places, they are a few kilometers away and are all just south of Michalovce, near the Russian border. Mike Vasko married Anna Pavlik who was born in Bostice (maybe spelled Boscice? I have seen in written both ways by my family). The two were married in Sachuron, January 18, 1912. I cannot find either Bostice or Sachuron on a map. I beleive that Bostice and/or Sachuron are near the three cities Mike Vasko lived in since after the two were married, they lived in Vojany. Can someone please help me find these places? Thank you. Mark Bugno - Youngstown, Ohio, USA Researching the surnames: BUGNO, BUS, KOZA, OTT, VASKO, VAJDA, PETRUSKA, PAVLIK, CHETSKO, BEDNAR, RADANOVIC, SAVICH, STOPNICK, OWCARZ, OSIAL

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Ray Mitchell) wrote: > > Who were the Czechs ? > > I'm trying to get a handle on who the Czechs were > BEFORE the Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia > existed. > > I see references like: "...the Czechs in the 11th. > century...", and then I find there was no > Czechoslovakia until the 20th century! > > Could anyone tell me, without adding to my > confusion, who the Czechs were historically? > Roughly speaking, they were Bohemians. The Czechs always existed as the majority ethnic group of Bohemia and Moravia (although the ones in Moravia were always somewhat distinct, and sometimes resent being called Czech). The state they formed was officially called Crown of Bohemia, and it included Bohemia, Moravia, and sometimes Silesia and other minor lands and temporary acquisitions. Bohemia itself was a kingdom, while the rest had various forms. The Crown of Bohemia was, loosely speaking, a confederation of lands with the King of Bohemia as its head. This made the Crown of Bohemia a kingdom as well. Bohemia was a constituent kingdom of the Holy Roman empire. This did not really interfere with the factual independence of the land: the obligations of Bohemian kings towards the empire were purely formal. However, due to this fact, historical atlasses often show Bohemia simply as a land of the Empire, or even as a mere region in Germany. In 1526, Habsburgs came to the Czech (Bohemian) throne. This did not mean any constitutional change, but historical atlasses usually show Bohemia simply as a part of Habsburg domains together with their other possessions. The Czech (Bohemian) lands suffered badly in the 30 years war. As a result of this the Hbsburgs were able to tie the land closer to their other lands starting from 1620. There was no clear constitutional change, but the Crown of Bohemia lost most attributes of an independent state in the following three centuries. In the end, it was just a province of the Austrian (of Austro-Hungarian) empire, and this is how it is shown on historical maps until 1918. There was always a significant German speaking minority in the Czech lands. The word Czech may also refer to them in the broad sense of the word, but this usage is controversial. Similarly, Czech also meant Czechoslovaks in the recent English usage, although this was incorrect. Radek -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (GMC0633) wrote: > > > Ever since the rise of the Pan-Slavic movement, which drew popular support > among the Slavs beginning in the 19th century, many people have believed that > the Slavs are united by many aspects of history, culture, and language. Language definitely, but their histories separated over 1000 years ago, when there was not that much in terms of culture to share. The > Slavs are, after all, one of the three largest ethnolinguistic families in > Europe, along with the Romance and Germanic peoples (not to ignore the less > numerous Celts). Though Slavs from Siberia may not physically resemble those > from Macedonia, they do share many linguistic traits. They do, but it is just about the only thing they share. Indeed, the Slavic > langauges are closer to one another, viewed as a group, than the Romance or > Germanic languages. (It has even been suggested in recent decades that all > Slavs should adopt a single Slavic spoken and literary language). Who suggested that :-) > Most Slavs are united by a Christian heritage that dates back to Saints Cyril > (Constantine) and Methodius, who converted Moravia in the year 863. In one > form or another, the Christian Cyrilo-Methodian heritage still unites Slavic > Christians, whether Catholic or Orthodox (or Hussite). I don't see how. The Poles have been Catholic for a thousand years. AFAIK, they were never Orthodox before. This is like grouping the English and Italians, who were both converted within the Roman Empire. The Pan-Slavs of the > 19th century were inspired by this Cyrilo-Methodian heritage and many dreamed > of the day when all Slavs might be united politically and religiously. This was an ideological construct of immature oppressed small nationalities, rather than anything based on cultural or historical facts. The small nations needed a big friend, and believed it would be Russia. They did not really know very much about the country itself. The > Church Slavonic language which is used today in Orthodox and Greek Catholic > liturgies is a modern form of the language devised by Cyril and Methodius. Just like Latin, which is frequently used in Catholic context. It does not really unify the Irish with the Italians. > Ironically, a form of Slavic "unity" was achieved under communism -- one of the > great tragedies of human history. This unity, a form of enslavement, was > drastically different from the romantic notions of the 19th century Pan-Slavs. > And yet, despite the tragedy of communism, there remain individuals even today > who believe in the ideal of Pan-Slavism. One of the foremost Pan-Slavs of > modern time was born in the town of Wadowice beneath the Carpathian mountains > -- Karol Wojtyla, better known as Pope John Paul II. > There are many scholarly works that espouse a Pan-Slavic view of history. One > outstanding scholar who belongs in this group is Francis Dvornik, a Moravian > who taught at Harvard. He authored many books, including The Slavs in European > History and Civilization. I recommend this book highly. > J.Piszczor > There are other prominent intellectuals who do not share this view, such as Milan Kundera. I personally find it strange to infer anything from the fact that our ancestors lived together in the Ukraine almost 2000 years ago. Actually, the idea of Slavic genealogy is particulary strange, since genealogy, more than other forms of historical research, depends heavily on local administration. Slovenian genealogy is definitely more relevant in the context of Austrian laws than anything Slavic. Still, we have to group the genealogy forums somehow. Radek -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

When looking for places names, try JewishGen ShtetlSeeker, and use the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex. Shtetl is Yiddish for town. ( JewishGen is located at www.jewishgen.org ). The only town found matching Keturvalakin in the area you mention is: KETURVALAKIAI 54'33" 23'09" Lithuania 87.1 miles W of Vilnius Variant spellings: KETURVALAKIU KETURVALAKYAY KETURVLOKI KIETURWLOKI Regards, David Sotkowitz Norman Charnley wrote: > > I have recently acquired some identity papers of my great-grandmother's, > in which she gives her birthplace as Keturvalakin, Sewalki - at least > that is the name which was written down by the official concerned, so > the spelling is a little suspect. I would be grateful if anybody could > give me some more detailed indication of where this is - is it a > village, or a part of Suwalki, or a region? > > I know the family came to England from the Kalvaria-Suwalki area in the > 1880s, but this gives me the chance to pinpoint their origin a little > more closely. > > Many thanks, > > Norman > > ================================================= > Dr. Norman Charnley > Department of Earth Sciences > University of Oxford > Oxford OX1 3PR, UK. > ==================================================

Who were the Czechs ? I'm trying to get a handle on who the Czechs were BEFORE the Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia existed. I see references like: "...the Czechs in the 11th. century...", and then I find there was no Czechoslovakia until the 20th century! Could anyone tell me, without adding to my confusion, who the Czechs were historically? Please reply to: <[email protected]> Thanks.... Ray. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ray Hollas Mitchell [email protected] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm looking for Stuadt, Zollner, Whitman, Ott, Schaufele

Trying to trace a Frank Folmanski (? spelling ) from around Kracow. Last heard of in Rochdale, Lancs, England around 1958/9. Believed to have two childrenStefan and Irma, also a brother called Adam who emigrated to the USA. English relatives of Frank wish to make contact. If you can help or suggest any other means of tracing Frank or his family, please contact.. Denis Cadd -- [email protected]

Trying to trace Frank Folmanski or family. Last heard of in Rochdale, Lancashire, England circa 1958/9. Frank was a Polish ex-serviceman from Kracow b. circa 1905/10 with two children Stefan and Irma. I believe he also had a brother called Adam. If anyone can help or provide any assistance on where to start I would be eternally grateful. Denis Cadd -- [email protected]

I have recently acquired some identity papers of my great-grandmother's, in which she gives her birthplace as Keturvalakin, Sewalki - at least that is the name which was written down by the official concerned, so the spelling is a little suspect. I would be grateful if anybody could give me some more detailed indication of where this is - is it a village, or a part of Suwalki, or a region? I know the family came to England from the Kalvaria-Suwalki area in the 1880s, but this gives me the chance to pinpoint their origin a little more closely. Many thanks, Norman ================================================= Dr. Norman Charnley Department of Earth Sciences University of Oxford Oxford OX1 3PR, UK. ==================================================

On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Petr wrote: > > Kay Diroff wrote in message > <[email protected]>... > >Is Mogilev a province or a city in Belarus? Researching the surname > >Zjukovskij from Byelorussia, Mogilev during the middle and late 19th > >century. Pat > > > > Mogilev is city of 400.000 inhabitants, about 200 km east of Minsk. In the > same time it is center of Mogilev region (Mogilevskaya oblast). > > Petr Just for info. In Ukraine on the border with Moldova, there is city Mogilev-Podolskiy. _________________________________________________________________________ Artem Paramonov I I I Prince George, I Keep your eyes on the PRIZE. British Columbia I I Canada I

HOSTASOVICE is in today's Czech Republic, 161.9 miles ESE of Prague. See: http://www1.jewishgen.org/shtetlseeker/loctown.htm For research concerning Moravia, see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~autwgw/agsmae.htm -- Charles Wardell A-2073 Schrattenthal 3 Tel/Fax: +43 (2946) 8325 GSM: +43 (664) 307-5815 email: [email protected] (MSN: cwardell COMPUSERVE: wardell) http://www.rootsweb.com/~autwgw/ for Austrian Genealogy and http://www.rootsweb.com/~autwgw/agsfrm.htm for Austria Mailing List

jeff&betsy wrote in message <[email protected]>... >Can anyone help????? > >Awhile ago, I sent out a request for a Czech penpal, hoping to find anyone >that could possibly assist me. > >My dilemma, several replies told me I needed to be looking for a Slovak >person, rather than a Czeck person. I mentioned in my message, a place >called, "Velke Kapusany". What area was this in the early 1900's through >1920, was it czech or slovak or what? > >My grandmother's passport says, Czechslovakia, not Slovakia. > >Can anyone help?????????? > >Thanks, > Betsy I am really confused by your query. First of all, anyone doing serious family history, does not refer to Czechoslovakia. This is an artificial country put together after (I think) WWI. In 1900 to 1920, I do not think this country existed. It was Moravia, Bohemia, and Slovakia. There are websites devoted to this history and I am definitely no historian or geographer! According to mapquest, (www.mapquest.com), your village is spelled Vetke Kapusany and is on the eastern Slovakia border with the Ukraine and Hungary. Thus you do need a penpal from the Slovak Republic. Ron Sorry, if my query bothered you so much. Why did you bother to reply? And for anyone else, If I was sure of what I was doing I probably wouldn't be asking. Everyone else, Thank you for your time and thoughts. You have given me alot of info to work with and I do appreciate it. Thanx, Betsy