Thanks so much for this post. -- Linda Scheimann Co-Coordinator, Washington Co. WIGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwashin/ Czech Info Center <noreply@muselik.com> wrote in message news:3ec46114$1@srv1.muselik.com... > Published on: Thu May 15 23:55:00 EDT 2003 > > Posted by: David Strelinger > --------- > I am looking for family or information. Thank you for any assistance. > --------- > For more information, please, visit this Bulletin > Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor > at > CZECH INFO CENTER > http://www.muselik.com/ > Internet Premier Czech Information Resource >

"Jeremy" <jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com> wrote in message news:0KLwa.71865$ey1.6496174@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > "Frank Kurchina" <frankur@att.net> wrote in message > news:3EC31B56.5810B22F@att.net... > > Back in February 2002 I had replied to a surname query below. > > Sound familiar ? > > > > Your Tekla Burgi, age 18, who emigrated in March 1911 went to an > > address of a Michal Jabob in NYC according to ship manifest. > > He was listed as an acquaintance, not her cousin. > > He may have been cousin of one of the other 2 women. > > Any unmarried female was kept in detention at Ellis Island unless > > claimed by a male member of her family. > > Sometimes an unmarried female was claimed by her fiancée (and married > > at Ellis Island) inorder to leave Ellis Island detention quarters. > > > > There were three vessels called the Vaderland. > > The Vaderland (2) sailed the Antwerp, Belgium to NYC route before 1914 > > under the Belgium flag. > > On July 25, 1914 it was renamed Southland by its new owners > > (British flag) > > During WW I served as a troop ship. > > > > Franz Josef (G/A) (Francis Joseph I) (1830-1916) was emperor of > > Austria (1848-1916) and King of Hungary (1867-1916) > > > > Assuming you want GM's records. > > Getting possible surname records from the Ukraine is extremely > > difficult. > > 1) You must write to Ukrainian Archives in Ukrainian Cyrillic. > > 2) They may reply to your surname inquiry in 1 year, or never. > > 3) Your letter may never arrive having been stolen enroute. > > I did inquire about her once before, but I don't recall ever seeing your > post. I have been sniffing around the Ellis Island web site all this time, > trying to find her information, and I thought it was going to be a lost > cause. why no archive? what do you fear ? handy to havea record of youyr research as a back up somehwere Hugh W

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Jeremy wrote: > > x-no-archive: yes > > > Now I have found... Tekla BURGI but looking at the original ship manifest > it > > looks like BRUYJ age 19 arr Mar 01, 1911 aboard the Vaderland sailing from > > Antwerp Belgium, Race Ruthenian, from Mazurwoka (close to the place she > said > > she was from and arriving in cold weather aboard the Vaderland!) next of > kin > > at that place mother Zoska BURYJ destination NY to aquantance Mihal JAKOB > > 525 E 6th St she was traveling with 2 other 17 yr old women going to the > > same place, they listed Mihal as a cousin (Mihal = Michael) Keep in mind > > that you can not pronounce BURYJ as you would in English I believe it > would > > sound like buree There are 13 arr at Ellis Island with the name BURYJ > most > > listed Race as Ruthenian > > > > > > > I phoned my aunt this morning, and it checks out! Here is what she said: > > 1: Her mother's name was "Sophia," which in Ukrainian is "Zoska." > > 2: My grandmother DID say that she traveled with 2 other girls (she did not > remember names). > > 3: She was picked up by the Jacob/Jakob family in New York (although they > were not cousins, or any other relation) > > Looking at the Ellis Island web site, they show the ship as "Vanderland" on > some places--that is probably why I didn't find it. Also, I doubt that I > would have made the connection that you made with regard to the spelling > "Burgi," as opposed to "Bruyg" or even "Buryj" (which is probably the > correct spelling, since we pronounced her name as "Buree." > > Thanks so much--I would never have located that match on my own! > > Is an image of the ship's manifest available online? I'd sure like to have > a look at it. > > Now that I have a likely match on the name, I'd like to get whatever is > available in her immigration file. Can you give me any advice on the best > way to identify her, so they can locate her records? Should I offer all > possible spellings of her name, or can they locate her based on the arrival > date or the line number on the ship's manifest? > > This is great! Thanks again!! Back in February 2002 I had replied to a surname query below. Sound familiar ? > Has anyone ever heard of a Ukrainian/ Ruthenian village called (spelled phonetically) > "MAZUREEKA," that was in Galicia? > > My grandmother emigrated to the US in 1911. She was from an ethnic > Ukrainian family, and she came from territory that was, at the time, > governed by the Austria-Hungarian Empire. She recalled Franz Josef as being > King at the time she left Europe. > > I can't find it on an atlas, and I believe that it was in a part of eastern > Europe where the borders may have changed since WW I. For all I know, that > spot may now belong to Ukraine or Poland. > > If anyone has ever heard of that place, please post details. Thank you. Let's first address former Galicia. Genealogical research cannot be divorced from a geographical and historical study of the area under investigation. From the late 1700s until the end of WW I, Poland did not exist as acountry. It was divided among the Russian, German (Prussian), and Austrian Empires. These divisions were known as Partitions. When Poland was restored as a country after WWI, only certain portions of these partitioned areas were used to construct the present day Poland. The other portion of these areas were retained by the respective ruling government. There was Russian-Poland, German-Poland, and Austrian-Poland. Austrian-Poland By the First Partition (1792) of Poland, Austria had obtained Galicia (consisting of Red Russia, the city of Lemberg [Lwów], a part of western Podolia, and southern Little Poland) Austria did not take any Polish land in the Second Partition. During the Third Partition (1795) of Poland, Austria took the remainder of Little Poland and Kraków. The southern Polish territories around Kraków and Lwów were incorporated into the Austrian Empire and renamed "Galicia". Galicia was formerly a Austrian Kronland and part of Austro-Hungarian Monarchy (1867-1918). Sometimes referred to as Austrian Poland. Other names for the area were Galicja (Polish), Galizien (German), Halychyna (Ukrainian) and Rus Halicka (Polish). In 1918, Galicia was annexed to Poland as "Kleinpolen" (Malopolska [P], Little Poland [E) After the 1939 partition of Poland by Germany and Russia, East Galicia became part of Ukraine while West Galicia remained in Poland as part of the provisional government of Warsaw. Its former territories are now shared between southern Poland and western Ukraine. Under a Polish-Soviet agreement in 1945, Galicia was assigned to the USSR and incorporated into the Ukrainian SSR. After the Ukraine achieved independence in 1991, Tarnopol province was changed to Ternopil' oblast, Lówów to L'viv, and Stanislawów became Stanislav oblast(renamed Ivano-Frankovsk oblast in 1962) and in 1991 Ivan-Frankivs'k oblast. Mazuruvka/Mazurówka/Mazurovka/ M a 3 y p o b k a is located 220 miles WSW of Kiev KIIV, Ukraine. Today, it is located 33 miles SSE of Ternopil' T e p h o || i J| b (Cyrillic), Ukraine. http://www.monmouth.com/~fkobylarz/maps/dist1906.html http://home.swipnet.se/roland/galicia.html K A K D E J| A' ? Russian (Cyrillic) (k ah k d ye l a ) R K C || P A B |/| ? Ukrainian (Cyrillic) (yah k s p r á v ee ) Ukrainian has a H sound/letter, but no hard G. Russian has no H sound/letter, but a hard G. For example, a town located in former Bukovina (which is now divided between the Ukraine and Romania) had 7 names depending upon the language used. 1 Chernowatz 2 Cernauti 3 Chernivtsi 4 Chernowitz 5 Chernovitsy 6 Chernovits 7 Tscherenowitz Or, look at Kiev . Kiiv Kiev Kief Kiew Kijew Kijow Kiyev Kiyiv When Cyrillic alphabet is transliterated into Roman (Latin) alphabet, 5-6 different spellings are possible - all correct because there is no standard. Depends upon which European language the names were transliterated to last. Lvov (E) is located 468 km west of Kiev. Lwów (P) Lvóv, Lvyv J| b B i B (Uk) J| b B O B (Ru) Leopolis (L) Lemberg (G) It was the Austrian capital of former Galicia. Burgi would be either a Swiss or an Italian surname spelling. Your Tekla Burgi, age 18, who emigrated in March 1911 went to an address of a Michal Jabob in NYC according to ship manifest. He was listed as an acquaintance, not her cousin. He may have been cousin of one of the other 2 women. Any unmarried female was kept in detention at Ellis Island unless claimed by a male member of her family. Sometimes an unmarried female was claimed by her fiancée (and married at Ellis Island) inorder to leave Ellis Island detention quarters. There were three vessels called the Vaderland. The Vaderland (2) sailed the Antwerp, Belgium to NYC route before 1914 under the Belgium flag. On July 25, 1914 it was renamed Southland by its new owners (British flag) During WW I served as a troop ship. Franz Josef (G/A) (Francis Joseph I) (1830-1916) was emperor of Austria (1848-1916) and King of Hungary (1867-1916) Assuming you want GM's records. Getting possible surname records from the Ukraine is extremely difficult. 1) You must write to Ukrainian Archives in Ukrainian Cyrillic. 2) They may reply to your surname inquiry in 1 year, or never. 3) Your letter may never arrive having been stolen enroute.

I have often thought about this myself. My grandfather traveled from eastern Slovakia to Rotterdam to board his ship. This means he had to cross all of northern Hungary (now Slovakia and Czechy), part of Austria, Germany, and parts of Belgium/Holland. It is not likely he traveled alone, but rather as part of a group organized by the steamship's company agents, traveling by train. For him it was also and ordeal just to get from his home village to the nearest train station. Most likely he walked the 20 miles. John Hudick

"Jeremy" <jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com> wrote snip > > So, how does an 18-year-old girl, who can't even write her own name, or read > her own Baptismal Certificate, manage to get to Antwerp? Was it common for > people embarking from Eastern Europe to board ship in Western Europe? > > Did the steamship lines offer package deals, consisting of travel by rail to > places like Antwerp? snip If you look at contmeporary newspapers and directories you will see advertisements by shipping company agents Judging by Ellis Island groupings you might find she came over with friends and or relatives or even her future husband Hugh W

Jeremy Please send me an email I have some document attachments to send you plus some answers. Robert Jerin rjerin@adelphia.net "Jeremy" <jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com> wrote in message news:lXuwa.70237$ey1.6376000@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > x-no-archive: yes > > Yesterday, someone was kind enough to provide me with what is almost > certainly a match on my grandmother's Ellis Island records. She emigrated > from what is now Ukraine to Ellis Island, coming over on the ship > "Vaderland," which set sail from Antwerp, Belgium in 1911. > > The stories that I remember from my GM were that she lived in an > out-of-the-way farming community. She did not read or write (I just learned > today, from her daughter--my aunt--that my GM's mother believed that girls > did not need to be educated--probably an idea that was not far-fetched at > that time). 99% of the 5 million or so immigrants who came to America from the late 1860s to 1924 came were peasants from villages. Typically in the old Habsburg Empire, at least the part in Croatia where my family was from, there was a requirement to attend school for 4 years. But it may be the case that many women did not get educated, there was little advantage. > > So, how does an 18-year-old girl, who can't even write her own name, or read > her own Baptismal Certificate, manage to get to Antwerp? They got to the Port of Departure by train. Typically they bought the ship and train ticket from an agent in their home country. An education often times has nothing to do with being savy! >Was it common for > people embarking from Eastern Europe to board ship in Western Europe? Yes. As you can see while Croatia had a port most left from Bremen and the other ports. It had to do with the steamship agency. The immigrant did not choose the port. Prior to 1918 the main Ports of Departure for immigrants from the old Habsburg Empire were: Hamburg & Bremen- 2,389,325 Rotterdam & Antwerp- 653,613 Le Havre- 89,335 Genoa- 96,038 Trieste- 76,849 Fiume (Rijeka), Croatia- 242,470 > > Did the steamship lines offer package deals, consisting of travel by rail to > places like Antwerp? Was Antwerp a popular place for ships to start out on > their journeys to America? If the "Vaderland" was a German ship, why > didn't it set out from a German port? The Vaderland flew the British Flag. > > I'd like some general information so I can form a mental picture of how the > process worked. I assume that it was not as simple as visiting one's local > travel agent and booking passage to America . . . So how did all those > people--most of whom probably never traveled 20 miles from where they were > born--pick up and make it to places like Antwerp? Basically they were seeking opportunity, which the old Habsburg Empire did not offer in those days! Must have been a real adventure! Robert Jerin

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"Jeremy" <jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com> wrote in message news:pCewa.69030$ey1.6253598@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > x-no-archive: yes > "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:bycwa.28$8q4.20910@news1.news.adelphia.net... > > A 1914 Ellis Island ship manifest will have the place of origin as well as > > the birthplace in most cases. Have you located her ship manifest? If not > > perhaps you can give us her first and last name. Maybe someone can assist > > with finding her record at Ellis Island. Just tried searching for all > > females arriving 1914 ethnicity Ukrainian (also added Ruthenian as many > > folks who are looking for Ukrainian ancestors find they are Ruthenian) > last > > name beginning with Z and found 109. > > > Wow! Thanks for that response! Hi Jeremy, Now I recall finding that ship manifest. > > It's a little bit complicated . . . > > 3: I do not know how she spelled her maiden name. We think it was "Burre," > or "Burre," but the closest I could find was a "Tekla Bura," listed as > "Austria, Ruthenian, arrived November 9,1911 age 18 yrs, female, single, > embarked from Hamburg, Germany via the ship "President Grant." > > 2: She claimed to have come over on the "Vaderland" in February 1911 (sorry > about misquoting the year as 1914). She told her daughter (my aunt) that > she remembered it having been very cold when she arrived at Ellis. Now I have found... Tekla BURGI but looking at the original ship manifest it looks like BRUYJ age 19 arr Mar 01, 1911 aboard the Vaderland sailing from Antwerp Belgium, Race Ruthenian, from Mazurwoka (close to the place she said she was from and arriving in cold weather aboard the Vaderland!) next of kin at that place mother Zoska BURYJ destination NY to aquantance Mihal JAKOB 525 E 6th St she was traveling with 2 other 17 yr old women going to the same place, they listed Mihal as a cousin (Mihal = Michael) Keep in mind that you can not pronounce BURYJ as you would in English I believe it would sound like buree There are 13 arr at Ellis Island with the name BURYJ most listed Race as Ruthenian > > 3: The information on "Tekla Bura" would seem like a good match. Her given > name was "Thecla," but if she embarked from a German port, they might have I found no Thecla listed but many, many Tekla's Ruthenian and Polish. TEKLA f Scandinavian, Russian, Polish Scandinavian, Russian and Polish form of Thekla THEKLA f Greek From the ancient Greek name Theokleia, which meant "glory of God" from the Greek elements theos meaning "god" and kleos meaning "glory". Saint Thekla was supposedly the first female martyr (1st century). > spelled her name using the German spelling (she was unable to write, so > someone would have had to fill out the paperwork for her--a German, > perhaps?) I don't know what to make about the ship. Might she have made up > the story about having come over on the Vaderland? Was that a more > prestigious ship, back then? > > 4: She allegedly came from Galicia, from the village of "Mazureka" (not sure > of spelling). At least, that is what her children were told. > > 5: I know she was married in USA in 1917, so she clearly had to have arrived > no later than that year. I suspect that it WAS 1914, because she got a job > in NYC as a live-in domestic--a common turn of events back then. So she > lived in NYC for some period prior to marrying my GF. > > She is not known to have had a Social Security Card. She never owned real > estate in her name (neither did my grandfather). She told me that Franz > Josef was King when she left the old country. My limited understanding is > that the place from which she came may have been under several different > flags over the past 100 years. From about 1770s that part of Ukraine was under the rule of Austria, then in 1918 at the end of WW I it became part of Soviet Union or Ukraine. So only a couple of flags. We just need to recall our history (ugh!, now we know why we should have paid attention!) and expand our ideas beyond our short time on this earth. Ruthenia Region of central Europe, on the southern slopes of the Carpathian Mountains, home of the Ruthenes or Russniaks. Dominated by Hungary from the 10th century, it was part of Austria-Hungary until World War I. In 1918 it was divided between Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Romania independent for a single day in 1938, it was immediately occupied by Hungary, captured by the USSR in 1944 and incorporated 1945/47 (as the Transcarpathian Region) into Ukraine Republic, which became independent as Ukraine in 1991 > > She supposedly was "Austrian," but her native language was Ukrainian. Her Austrian by citizenship only. There is no ethnic group called Austrian, just as their is no ethnic group called Americans. > husband, whom she married in the US, was a native Ukrainian. They attended > the Ukrainian Catholic Church (Byzantine Rite "Greek Catholic"). Whatever > her place of origin, it was clear that she was an ethnic Ukrainian. She > spoke no German. She never spoke of the Austrian Alps. Ruthenia is an ancient empire which inc the western part of the Ukraine, and people from there identified themselves as such in the old Austrian Empire. That part of old Ruthenia is now part of present day Ukraine and under Austria was known as Galicia or Galicy. You should read about the Ruthenians and I think this would make things a bit clearer. This quote from the New Advent Encyclopedia may help "The Ruthenians along the borderland of the ancient Kingdom of Poland and the present boundary separating Austria from Russia proper are also called Ukrainians (u, at or near, and krai, the border or land composing the border)" You should read the entire article it is excellent. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13278a.htm > > I would just like to learn something about my origins. Specifically, I want > to know exactly WHERE her village was (I at least know that my heritage is > Ukrainian, but I'd just like to be able to point to the spot on a map and > say, "here is where my GM came from . . .)d How about this? MAZUROWKA (aka Mazuruvka) 220.6 miles WSW of Kiev http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=49.1500&lo ngitude=25.9833 > > I can't even try to obtain her immigration records, because I can't identify > her specifically enough. This is extremely frustrating, because I > personally knew this woman--it is not like she was some long-forgotten > ancestor, on whom there might be no official records. Yet, it seems like I > keep dead-ending when I try to locate any official records on her. > > Anyone have any ideas on other places I can search? > > Thanks. You may want to check the ship manifest and see if you can recognize the others traveling with her. Didn't mean to throw more doubt but this one looks like some things match your GMs recollection. Hope this will help. Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland Ohio

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> > > >My grandmother immigrated from Austria-Hungary in 1914 (ethnic Ukrainian) > >and arrived via Ellis Island, settling in lower east side of Manhattan, and > >probably registering at St. George's Ukrainian Catholic Church. > > > >I am trying to find out exactly what village/town she came from. I've had > >no luck obtaining her immigration papers (she was never naturalized), and am Immigration papers are generally considered the ship manifest, they are not Naturalization papers. > >wondering what kind of information the church might have had. > > > >Would church records in USA typically list what parish in the Old Country > >that the immigrant had been baptized/confirmed???? > > > >This process has been really frustrating, because I can't seem to locate any > >record of my GM arriving here. It's like she didn't exist . . . > > > >Any suggestions on leads to pursue would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > >

Tried mailing to your supposed email and it came back! Ah, well! "Robert Jerin" <rjerin@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:bycwa.28$8q4.20910@news1.news.adelphia.net... > A 1914 Ellis Island ship manifest will have the place of origin as well as > the birthplace in most cases. Have you located her ship manifest? If not > perhaps you can give us her first and last name. Maybe someone can assist > with finding her record at Ellis Island. Just tried searching for all > females arriving 1914 ethnicity Ukrainian (also added Ruthenian as many > folks who are looking for Ukrainian ancestors find they are Ruthenian) last > name beginning with Z and found 109. > > Also I've found that it is not a good idea to stick to just one year in your > search. Since you don't seem to have positive proof that she arrived in > 1914 you should look either side of that by a few years. Also keep in mind > that WW I began in 1914 and immigration from that region almost came to a > halt. > > Also in regards to Naturalization of women, prior to 1922 you will find that > very few women received citizenship on their own. Their citizenship was the > same as that of their husband. For instance my GM, a US citizen born in PA, > married my GF, an immigrant from Croatia, in 1913. When she did that she > lost her US citizenship and became a citizen of The Habsburg Empire aka > Austria-Hungary. It was not until the time of Women's Suffrage (the right > to vote) that the laws changed. So if your GF became a US citizen then your > GM did automatically prior to 1922. > > Robert Jerin > Croatian Heritage Museum > Cleveland Ohio > > "Jeremy" <jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com> wrote in message > news:2k7wa.68399$ey1.6202710@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > x-no-archive: yes > > > > My grandmother immigrated from Austria-Hungary in 1914 (ethnic Ukrainian) > > and arrived via Ellis Island, settling in lower east side of Manhattan, > and > > probably registering at St. George's Ukrainian Catholic Church. > > > > I am trying to find out exactly what village/town she came from. I've had > > no luck obtaining her immigration papers (she was never naturalized), and > am > > wondering what kind of information the church might have had. > > > > Would church records in USA typically list what parish in the Old Country > > that the immigrant had been baptized/confirmed???? > > > > This process has been really frustrating, because I can't seem to locate > any > > record of my GM arriving here. It's like she didn't exist . . . > > > > Any suggestions on leads to pursue would be appreciated. > > > > > >

A 1914 Ellis Island ship manifest will have the place of origin as well as the birthplace in most cases. Have you located her ship manifest? If not perhaps you can give us her first and last name. Maybe someone can assist with finding her record at Ellis Island. Just tried searching for all females arriving 1914 ethnicity Ukrainian (also added Ruthenian as many folks who are looking for Ukrainian ancestors find they are Ruthenian) last name beginning with Z and found 109. Also I've found that it is not a good idea to stick to just one year in your search. Since you don't seem to have positive proof that she arrived in 1914 you should look either side of that by a few years. Also keep in mind that WW I began in 1914 and immigration from that region almost came to a halt. Also in regards to Naturalization of women, prior to 1922 you will find that very few women received citizenship on their own. Their citizenship was the same as that of their husband. For instance my GM, a US citizen born in PA, married my GF, an immigrant from Croatia, in 1913. When she did that she lost her US citizenship and became a citizen of The Habsburg Empire aka Austria-Hungary. It was not until the time of Women's Suffrage (the right to vote) that the laws changed. So if your GF became a US citizen then your GM did automatically prior to 1922. Robert Jerin Croatian Heritage Museum Cleveland Ohio "Jeremy" <jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com> wrote in message news:2k7wa.68399$ey1.6202710@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > x-no-archive: yes > > My grandmother immigrated from Austria-Hungary in 1914 (ethnic Ukrainian) > and arrived via Ellis Island, settling in lower east side of Manhattan, and > probably registering at St. George's Ukrainian Catholic Church. > > I am trying to find out exactly what village/town she came from. I've had > no luck obtaining her immigration papers (she was never naturalized), and am > wondering what kind of information the church might have had. > > Would church records in USA typically list what parish in the Old Country > that the immigrant had been baptized/confirmed???? > > This process has been really frustrating, because I can't seem to locate any > record of my GM arriving here. It's like she didn't exist . . . > > Any suggestions on leads to pursue would be appreciated. > >

On Tue, 13 May 2003 14:30:22 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com> wrote: >Any suggestions on leads to pursue would be appreciated. Is your grandmother married in USA ? If so, have you tried with her marriage ? All the priests, not only in catholic church, ask a birth certificate and a baptism certificate. Normally, these pieces are furnished by the priest of the parish where the baptism was done and the priest who celebrates the marriage archives these pieces or writes them down on the register of marriages. If you know the date of her marriage (perhaps just the year is enough) and the parish where this marriage was celebrated, you can ask the actual priest some information or the permission to consult the parish records. I know somebody who has successfully done so, here in France. Good luck. -- S. Kurlej