Please count me in Annette. And thank you Michele

Oh Dear! I must have worded a previous message wrong. I meant to ask Dianna (Kodiak Pooh in Alaska) to send me an attachment if she decided to scan some of her materials. Apparently, it came across sounding like I had attachments to send out. I've received several requests from list members who would like me to send them an attachment. Wish I had one to send! Sorry for the confusion. Annette in Utah

Sounds like AZDEE ought to get the files and attach them to a regular email.. Add me to your list Dianne Jim in Phoenix

Hi there Annette, I would also love to have the organisational information that you intend sending to others. My server accepts attachments. Regards Barbara Melbourne Australia

Annette, if you are planning to send an attachment, I would love one. My e-mail is lindajud@pacbell.net. I teach family history classes, and some of it includes getting organized, but I, myself, have never been able to do so as I am too busy teaching and receiving reams of mail that need to be "looked at later" and filed somewhere. And my notebooks and organization "attempts" keep getting scattered everywhere. I just feel like I'm never going to get in control of all this beautiful, fragile, information! Linda Kay -----Original Message----- From: Annette Nelson <annelson@inquo.net> To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] How I do it... >Dianna, > >I don't think you want to attempt to scan your index and send it to the group. >>From what I understand, rootsweb won't allow it anymore. You can't send >attachments to rootsweb lists because it has caused too many problems (some >people have programs that can't accept them, so they get returned and there have >been so many bounces that they just won't allow it.) > >If you decide to scan them and send them to individuals, please put me on your >list. I'd love to see what your index and research summary sheet look like! > >Hey, everyone...keep up all the great info and suggestions. I may get so >excited about it all that I'll get organized! > >Annette in Utah >annelson@inquo.net > > >>KodiakPooh wrote: >>If anyone is interested, I can attempt to scan in these two forms. > > > > >==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== >Helping each other is how we find our ancestors. Share information with others researching the same surname. > >listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com > > > >

What you could use is Excel or Works spreadsheet. This way you make it exactly the way you want it and can adjust it to suit your needs and situation. This may be and example of what you could use or at least a starting point. Research Log Date & Time Individual or family Name Documents Searched Book or Film # Info Found 11-Nov-98 Conard, Andrew Soundex Ohio 1920 1828685 Y 3hrs Forrest, Stanley Census of Madison & 1,371,723 Y Champaign Counties 1,828,739 N 1920, 1910 I also keep a sheet that I record the file # for each person from my index of records for major events BIRTH, MARRIAGE, DEATH. Now this is not as critical, but it helped so that when I returned from a research trip I could transpose this information quickly into the notes on that specific individual. You could put in your date and time column where you were researching as there is usually more room there for other notes. The beauty of this form is that it allows me to adjust, add, subtract, any column I wish to make it work for my situation. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: The5bels@aol.com [mailto:The5bels@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 2:38 AM To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] Research Logs I have seen some research logs that people use but I find myself either writing notes for thins that are not in columns or making spaces for special information. What information is important for a log? Also I have been told you should keep two logs. One for the people you find and are working on and one for the places you look and the results. That sounds like good advice but then it would seem like you would need other logs, one for the Internet, and one for email. I think I'm going to be forced to make up some custom ones. Would the Rooters contribute what the log should include for information? Or do you have a better way that you could share? Also there should be some commercial software that might be adaptable to this use are any on the list keeping the information this way? Reply to the list so others will know what has been discussed, and I don't get duplicates. Thanks Jim in Phoenix ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== Behold, my beloved brethren, remember the words of your God; pray unto him continually by day, and give thanks unto his holy name by night. Let your hearts rejoice. 2 Nephi 9:52 listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

Annette, Please add my name to the list of those who would like organizational material. Thank you Annette in Az

One reason I LOVE Family Tree Maker is that its format for sources is so complete! If you can fill in the blanks you have a good footnote for the source. Dianna in Kodiak aka Granny Pooh kpooh@ptialaska.net Visit Granny Pooh's Genealogy Site--one of the LARGEST online sites of old family photos! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3542/

After having been researching for quite a few years, I feel very strongly about the photocopy vs. abstract/extract issue! You will NEVER need to return to your source if you have a photocopy of it!! If a question arises, you can refer to the copy. I have done this over and over...finding new information (that didn't apply previously) several years after collecting the photocopy and filing it. Once, when we visited some courthouses on a trip we took, we were allowed into the vault with the original records. These STILL are not filmed...but I was able to get photocopies of court & land records I could not return to later. AND, I've found that later when I returned to look at these copies new info came to light. Regarding research logs, etc.: When I took my course from BYU on Family History, I learned many good things--especially how to keep track of research. I have an index sheet in the front of each Family Archive File folder (one file for each surname). There is also a research summary sheet (that is numbered) that corresponds with the numbered entries on the index. This summary sheet is filled out in DETAIL for each source, listing where it's found, and all info relating to that source, with a space for notes. Any additional notes or copies are attached (stapled) to the back of this sheet and it is filed numerically within the file. Meanwhile, the index sheet has basic info regarding the source, ie. "1850 census, Haga" and the date & WHERE I was conducting the research. As I research, write letters, make phone calls, etc. I enter the source--completed with address, etc. on this index, along with a number. (Start at 1 for each file) I write the detailed info on the summary sheet that is attached to the photocopies, etc. Some of my files have grown to two and three file folders...but to access any one piece of info that is file, all that is needed is to scan the index of the family's folder. If anyone is interested, I can attempt to scan in these two forms. Dianna in Kodiak aka Granny Pooh kpooh@ptialaska.net Visit Granny Pooh's Genealogy Site--one of the LARGEST online sites of old family photos! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3542/

I have struggled with being organized since the day I started. In the rest of my life I am fairly organized. In the rest of my life, papers don't mulitiply quite so fast. After trying every system I came across I finally realized the only one that will work is the one I design for me. One aspect that is universal in keeping track of research is the storage area. If you are going to buy a file cabinet. Buy a strudy, industrial one. The $20.00 specials often break and WILL drive you nuts. You can find good used ones at stores that sell previously rented furniture (to businesses) or even at an business auction. Sometimes you can find them when a store goes out of business. I brought my heavy duty four drawer model for 10.00 at a fund raising garage sale. Second you have to work into a research trip time to review and process the notes you did take. Three months later the little jottings on the log won't make much sense. Third is if you chose to use abbreviations make a chart of the ones you will consistenly use so that you remember them. I stopped writing the word county a long time ago and just put the name in () like this: "reviewed the 1870 census schedules for (preble) and (darke) on Aug. 9, 1998" and then I list the findings, if any. If I shared this anyone, they won't know the (preble) is Preble County without my reference table. I keep it the front of all my notebooks. I try to keep research logs seperate for each family name. It is a lot more work but It helps when you come across new names and know which records you have review for which names. Last suggestion (because I have gone on long enough) is that I keep a file marked unrelated for each surname. When I meet anyone working the same name, I may not have a connection. The unrelated stuff may help them. Besides I review the unrelated stuff once in a while, sometimes things fall into place and I find an ancestor right in the file cabinet! I am enjoy all your ideas and comments, Robin

Being pretty new to this, I'm very hesitant to put in my 2 cents worth, but here goes. I set up files on computer for each surname I'm interested in, then save related messages to these folders. I also have hard copy files set up by surnames,then subdivided by individual files of family members. I usually print off anything of importance from internet and file hard copy in there. I use the type of file folder that has a grid for subjects and notes inside to document what's included in that particular file.. I keep a census log which tracks individuals according to census year. This has been VERY helpful. I keep all hard copies of documentation in the individual's file. I also have folders for misc. and general info., sites, and on-going correspondance, etc. There are also logs for correspondance, research guides, etc. that I got from my local library, which I'm not using but probably should. While this is certainly not the last word in bookkeeping, for now, it helps me muddle through. Always looking for ways to improve the system. I got many of these ideas from various mail lists, including this one. Thanks for the wealth of information this newsletter provides. Linda researching: Bell, Caldwell, Cobb, Coolhorn, Johnson, Montgomery, PAUL, Ward, NC/SC/TN/MS 1800-present.

What I have done is to include this information in the notes. I read some where that you will need this information when you submit it to AF, now this is how it appears in the notes: !BIRTH: Certificate of Live Birth; State File #54 02 0463; Registrar's #341 !ORDINANCES: Baptism; Honeyville Ward Records date 1 Dec 1962; Confirmation; date 2 Dec 1962; Endowment; Logan Temple records date 13 Nov 1973 !MARRIAGE: Marriage Certificate; State of Utah, County of Weber; License No. 8764 issued by the Clerk of Box Elder County, May 10,1977.Ogden Temple records 13May1977. I also keep track of which films that I look at and where I was, with the names that I researched that day. I ran into some of the same pits of redoing films more than once. I had only so much time to spend on Saturday mornings when I started and needed to make it count. -----Original Message----- From: AZDEE@aol.com [mailto:AZDEE@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 12:45 AM To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] Continuing Discussion 1 Hi Everyone, We have had some good suggestions from a few of you but there are many who have not made a contribution on the subject at hand. How do you keep track of your research?? How do you keep track of your contacts and the information you find? In # 1 of the 20 ways it says: 1.Always note the source of information that you record or photocopy, and date it too. If the material is from a book, write the name, author, publisher, year of publication, ISBN or ISSN (if it has one), and also the library where you found it (or else photocopy the title page). Occasionally you'll find that you need to refer to a book again, or go back to great aunt Matilda to clarify something she told you. Another source for tips on genealogy research logs can be found at Ancestry (http://www.ancestry.com/lessons/beginners/lesson18.htm --Lesson 18 by Dear Myrtle of Ancestry and AOL) covers research logs. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/lessons/beginners/lesson18.htm">Ancestry.com - Genealogy Lessons: Research Logs</A> Dear Myrtle has some wonderful lessons on Ancestry.com under genealogy lessons. You should read thru some of them. She is very good at genealogy and can answer many of your questions. There are many other sites that offer information. These are just my favorites. Share with us how you handle your research. We will be strting to go over how to get information from relatives and helpful hints for this after we finish up research logs. I stress the Research Logs first because it is so important!! Share your input!! Happy Hunting! Dianne ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== Visit my Homepage for Gen-Rooters-L at http://members.aol.com/AZDEE/index.html listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

I have seen some research logs that people use but I find myself either writing notes for thins that are not in columns or making spaces for special information. What information is important for a log? Also I have been told you should keep two logs. One for the people you find and are working on and one for the places you look and the results. That sounds like good advice but then it would seem like you would need other logs, one for the Internet, and one for email. I think I'm going to be forced to make up some custom ones. Would the Rooters contribute what the log should include for information? Or do you have a better way that you could share? Also there should be some commercial software that might be adaptable to this use are any on the list keeping the information this way? Reply to the list so others will know what has been discussed, and I don't get duplicates. Thanks Jim in Phoenix

Hi Everyone, We have had some good suggestions from a few of you but there are many who have not made a contribution on the subject at hand. How do you keep track of your research?? How do you keep track of your contacts and the information you find? In # 1 of the 20 ways it says: 1.Always note the source of information that you record or photocopy, and date it too. If the material is from a book, write the name, author, publisher, year of publication, ISBN or ISSN (if it has one), and also the library where you found it (or else photocopy the title page). Occasionally you'll find that you need to refer to a book again, or go back to great aunt Matilda to clarify something she told you. Another source for tips on genealogy research logs can be found at Ancestry (http://www.ancestry.com/lessons/beginners/lesson18.htm --Lesson 18 by Dear Myrtle of Ancestry and AOL) covers research logs. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/lessons/beginners/lesson18.htm">Ancestry.com - Genealogy Lessons: Research Logs</A> Dear Myrtle has some wonderful lessons on Ancestry.com under genealogy lessons. You should read thru some of them. She is very good at genealogy and can answer many of your questions. There are many other sites that offer information. These are just my favorites. Share with us how you handle your research. We will be strting to go over how to get information from relatives and helpful hints for this after we finish up research logs. I stress the Research Logs first because it is so important!! Share your input!! Happy Hunting! Dianne

--WebTV-Mail-1245854216-6268 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Bonnie, You are trying to access email address not web sites. Anything thing with the @ symbol is to help the system know where to deliver the mail. Most email addresses end similiar words like . net or . com but the address would be more like "www.exampleofsite.com" (no quotes in the real address). Please let me know what it is that you are trying to get to and I will set up some links for you. Then you can practice alittle. Don't worry, you will get the hang of very soon. Please don't be embarrassed, it is an easy mistake. I will be on line for the next hour, if you are around... otherwise I will be back early tomorrow. In the mean time try linking to this one. It is a good information site and lots to review. It will give you a chance to see a bigger collection on line. www.ancestry.com Good Luck, Robin --WebTV-Mail-1245854216-6268 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id OAA23707; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id OAA19772; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18322; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacboni@aol.com Message-ID: <31955393.35ccbf98@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:13:42 EDT Old-To: Gen-Rooters-L@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] RE:Help in searching the web Resent-Message-ID: <"-htAu.A.JZE.0_Lz1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1939 X-Loop: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GEN-ROOTERS-L-request@rootsweb.com I am doing something wrong. I will read all these wonderful sites to help with genealogy research and then go to the web and put in the URL and I get error or chech URL or something like that and I am getting discouraged. I tried AZDEE@aol.com same thing or roots surnamelistrsl-info@genealogy.org and get the same results. HELP!!! jacboni@aol.com (Bonnie Ferguson) ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== Visit my Homepage for Gen-Rooters-L at http://members.aol.com/AZDEE/index.html listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com --WebTV-Mail-1245854216-6268--

Have you tried to cut and paste the URL's to the address box of your browser. This usually works for me. Or cut and paste in a document for later, some documents will allow you to link them up to a web site. If you have trouble cutting and pasting with a mouse you can use the key board by putting the cursor next to where you want to cut, then hold down the shift key and hit the arrow key to highlight the information then when you have highlighted all you need. then use CTRL + C for copy or X for cut then when you have the cursor where you want to paste it CTRL + V for paste. I have found that this is the best way then I don't make a mistake when trying to retype. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Jacboni@aol.com [mailto:Jacboni@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 4:14 PM To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] RE:Help in searching the web I am doing something wrong. I will read all these wonderful sites to help with genealogy research and then go to the web and put in the URL and I get error or chech URL or something like that and I am getting discouraged. I tried AZDEE@aol.com same thing or roots surnamelistrsl-info@genealogy.org and get the same results. HELP!!! jacboni@aol.com (Bonnie Ferguson) ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== Visit my Homepage for Gen-Rooters-L at http://members.aol.com/AZDEE/index.html listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

The information was there due to research done through the extraction program. When looking at the source you can find out who or how the information was submitted to the IGI. I agree that some of the information contained is not correct and I use the IGI as a reference for when LDS ordinances were done and not so much as a resource for documentation or that the dates are 100% correct. I have seen the duplication done on many relatives that didn't need to be done. They could have spent their time doing research that was beyond what had already been done or correcting the wrong stuff that is out there. -----Original Message----- From: Oels' house [mailto:phibev@micron.net] Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 3:44 PM To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] IGI Vital Records????? Hi, Just a quick question to turtleusn@mci2000.com- what do you mean by the phrase "vital records found on the IGI" ? I guess you probably mean work that was done from an extraction program? The reason I ask is that I have found many errors in the IGI, too, since a great deal of what is found there reflects work done based on information submitted by guess who - us, with all our errors <G> I guess what I'm trying to say is that even if it comes from the IGI, we still need to check it out for ourselves. Beverly phibev@micron.net ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== We all help one another in the hopes of finding the piece of the puzzle that will show us our own ancestors. listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

Dianna, I don't think you want to attempt to scan your index and send it to the group. >From what I understand, rootsweb won't allow it anymore. You can't send attachments to rootsweb lists because it has caused too many problems (some people have programs that can't accept them, so they get returned and there have been so many bounces that they just won't allow it.) If you decide to scan them and send them to individuals, please put me on your list. I'd love to see what your index and research summary sheet look like! Hey, everyone...keep up all the great info and suggestions. I may get so excited about it all that I'll get organized! Annette in Utah annelson@inquo.net >KodiakPooh wrote: >If anyone is interested, I can attempt to scan in these two forms.

Hi, Just a quick question to turtleusn@mci2000.com- what do you mean by the phrase "vital records found on the IGI" ? I guess you probably mean work that was done from an extraction program? The reason I ask is that I have found many errors in the IGI, too, since a great deal of what is found there reflects work done based on information submitted by guess who - us, with all our errors <G> I guess what I'm trying to say is that even if it comes from the IGI, we still need to check it out for ourselves. Beverly phibev@micron.net

http://www2.kbyu.byu.edu/ancestors/links.html found this while looking at the other information on the BYU site that was referenced in previous message. Thought it might help others look for sources if you go just to http://www2.kbyu.byu.edu/ancestors/links then you will find other information that will help in your research.