Hi The story is Free the Birdies and I will dig it up unless someone already has it on their puter. There is a web page about it too but will have to find the URL. Dianne

In a message dated 98-09-05 20:19:22 EDT, you write: << At a Relief Society retreat today, someone shared the story of the little boy and the birdies. >> It is called Free the birdies, I have it in my stories and poems (Christmas folder, I believe because our neighbor passed it as her christmas gift to the neighborhood. If no one else has it I will type it and send it via E-mail. Lula O'Brien of Layton, Utah

At a Relief Society retreat today, someone shared the story of the little boy and the birdies. Does anyone have a copy of this story or know where I might get one? Thanks, Nancy Delphenich delphenich@aol.com September 5, 1998

In a message dated 98-08-29 23:10:46 EDT, you write: << I live only 4-5 hours from here so if I go up that way by St. Cloud, MN >> If you have some time while you are in St Could I have 2 name I am looking for too. August Knapp b. 1865 died in St Cloud Helena Walz his Wife Jim in Phoenix

In a message dated 98-09-02 15:14:45 EDT, you write: << < Just save this letter and go to a site a day or something if you feel overwhelmed. >> >> Sorry list members, this message was meant for Dianne C Morris, our wonderful friends....Never mind!! :-) I don't know a Lulita....!!!

Lulita, I meant to take the heart and put it in you favorite places folder. The letter will be stored in there. Love Anita

In a message dated 98-09-01 18:44:27 EDT, you write: << Just save this letter and go to a site a day or something if you feel overwhelmed. >> Angelita Anita bonita, do you mean print it(hard copy)and save it in my research folder like I do all my URL. Or save it ....say in Microsoft word and I can still access by clicking on the hyperlink? I am a liitle slow, you know. But I things finally sink in, they really do. Like when I converted, us Lamanites really do convert when we do, like you my little Angel. Here I am a gene-aholic, really. Lulita

Now that we have our genealogy programs set up and all of our known information installed, we will begin to talk about where to look for further information online. There are many excellent beginning lessons online and for how to off line search for ancestors so I am not covering this information. Most of you know the how tos you just need the where's. To those who need how to's I recommend Dear Myrtle at: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/dearmyrtle/"> Welcome to DearMYRTLE's place.</A> She has excellent lessons on beginning, using a FHC and getting organized. We are start covering good locations to search and post our own information to find distant relatives. I have found over 100 cousins that I never knew about since getting online. Some are distant and some are as close as first cousins twice removed. It is amazing what all you find. Remember----POST your surnames wherever possible and keep track of where you post them! Keep track of where you find contact people so you can go back and check for further information if needed. <A HREF="http://www.usgenweb.com/">The USGenWeb Project - Home Page</A> There is a listing for each state broken down in to each county to search for information. Some counties have more information than others- some have cemetery info, marriage, death, war rolls, and most have links to other sites pertaining to that county. Excellent site to start at. <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/searches/rslsearch.html">RootsWeb Surname List</A> I found many of my cousins from this link. One of the biggest and best online search site. <A HREF="http://www.cooklib.org/genfam.html">Family Associations and Surname Lists</A> This is another great place to find links to search sites. <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search.asp">Online Genealogy Library at Ancestry.com: Sea...</A> Directly under the Global search is the free databases. You can search the Ancestry databases and SSDI (Social Security Death Index) Online. Great for us shutins. These are my basic favorites. Following are some more multiple search sites. This means they will lead you to many links at each one. <A HREF="http://www.cyndislist.com/database.htm">Cyndi's List - Databases, Search Sites, Surna..</A> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6266/genealogy.htm">Genealogy on the Internet</A> <A HREF="http://users.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html">Genealogy Resources on the Internet</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/home/bestofgc/library.htm">Genealogical Computing - Getting a Line on Li.</A> <A HREF="aol://4344:167.genenew3.1406912.528564696">The Golden Gate Genealogy Forum</A> <A HREF="http://www.everton.com/resources/world-resource.html">Everton's International Resources Page</A> <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/">Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: Home Page</A> <A HREF="http://www.gengateway.com/mainsite.htm">Genealogy Gateway To The Web by Steve Lacy</A> <A HREF="http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/#Fromgenealogy">Getting Started in Genealogy and Family History</A> <A HREF="http://www.everton.com/resources/usa-resource.html">USA Genealogical Page</A> <A HREF="aol://4344:167.myrtfhc.1414158.531675763">Using LDS FHCenters</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/lessons/academy.htm">Genealogy Lessons and Research Tips at Ancest.</A> I hope I didn't overwhelm you. Just save this letter and go to a site a day or something if you feel overwhelmed. Be sure to note on some form of research log where you go and what you find. I will start working on less thought of items for next time and post it this next week/weekend. Happy Hunting, Dianne PS-- If you ever have questions or problems please feel free to email me. I am happy to help if I can- I do not know all either but have been online almost two years and snooped a lot. I do the best I can. I do not mind getting Instant messages while I am online. Always have a few minutes to help someone. If there is ever enough interest in getting together in a chat room thru instant messenger, I would be glad to be there too.

Oops! Sorry to send a personal message to the group--I tried to catch it before it was gone, but didn't make it. The eye is quicker than the hand ;-) Annette

Linda, Hi! I was thinking about you the other night and wondered if you were exhausted after your trip. You surely packed in a lot of things during your 5 days here! I went to Jackson Hole this weekend and enjoyed being away from the mess of this house. I'm embarassed that it was still torn up when you got here, but I'm starting to wonder if it will take 'till Christmas to get it done. The tile was put in my laundry room on Friday and the contractor put my washer and dryer in there. I'm so excited to be able to use them again! Hopefully, I'll have some cabinets in there by the end of the week. Kristy called me today and told me that Heather made the Delta sorority--the same one that Kristy is president of! She said she's so excited to have her there. She also told me that it looked like she was having a great time at the carnival and that she had made some friends. I'm so glad that it worked out for her and hope that she'll love the group of sorority sisters--I think that for the most part, they are really nice girls. I hope that you are doing ok and that you're not too lonely. My best, Annette

I live only 4-5 hours from here so if I go up that way by St. Cloud, MN I will see what I can find. If you have anything more I may be helpful. I can't guarantee when I will be going that way. -----Original Message----- From: The5bels@aol.com [mailto:The5bels@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 1998 2:05 AM To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] The names I'm Looking for Hi everyone here are my list of names KNAPP, August b.1865 looking in the Stearns co MINN Area WALZ, Helena married to August also in MINN UPTON, Edd OK and TX I'm new so I don't have much but I'll gladly share my work Jim In Phoenix ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== If you wish to change to the digest list send an email to GEN-ROOTERS-D-request@rootsweb.com and in the body of the message put the one word SUBCRIBE To unsubscribe form the list (L or D) send an email to GEN-ROOTERS-(L or D according to which one you are receiving-it is on the top of the emails you receive)request@rootsweb.com put the one word message in the body of the letter-- UNSUBSCRIBE listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

Subject: Introduction. Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:34:44 -0600 From: Lee Driskell <cldris@lasal.net> Organization: "O'Driscoll Quarterly." To: GEN-ROOTERS@rootsweb.com Dear Friends, I have monitored with keen interest a few days now. To get a feel for the general pace and topics. I have found them much to my liking, as we did the L.D.S. Church on June 01,1985, when I, my wife Marie and our son Drew were baptized. We are converts. We were married and sealed to Drew in the Manti Temple, March 07,1992. Marie and I live in Moab, Utah and Drew lives and works in Logan. We are card totin' Mormons and I'll bear my testimony at the drop of a hat. With the hand shaking done I'm hungry. <grin><grin> I started all this for a few words of caution to you folks concerning computer format genealogy programs. I have seen several programs mentioned. Some I know, one too well. My mom said "If you can't say good, say nothing". Well I can't. There is an awful lot of conversation about Family Tree Maker 5.0 , the newest out. A lot of customers are dissatisfied. We started out with Family Origins by Parsons Technologies. We changed to FTM in 1995. This month we moved up to version 5.0.(brand new release) Last week FTM came out with a f-i-x called v5.0a and had to download a fix for WIN95 to help it. IF I had not already invested almost $300.00 in programs and FTM data CD's, I would go back to Family Origins. Family Tree Maker was Banner Blue, was Broderbund and now is "Parsons Technologies". What I am trying to say is, "if you want FTM wait a few months and let them hash out all the problems" I am on their technicians list, of course only hear the complaints, but there have been too many. (B^(> (B^(> With Love, Lee and Marie Driskell cldris@lasal.net -- ????Short term memory loss has it's good points too!!!!! ??I can Hide my Easter Eggs!Wrap my own Christmas gifts! ???Don't stay mad long, because you can't remember why!! -- ????Short term memory loss has it's good points too!!!!! ??I can Hide my Easter Eggs!Wrap my own Christmas gifts! ???Don't stay mad long, because you can't remember why!!

Dianne- Another excellent program is Legacy. It's about half the price of FTM and I would have chosen that except I decided to get what my cousins already had. -Char -----Original Message----- From: AZDEE@aol.com <AZDEE@aol.com> To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:54 PM Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] Lesson Two >Hi Everyone, >In lesson one we learned to start with ourself and then ask relatives for >information. This lesson is about Using Your Computer For Genealogy. >Finding the Right Genealogy Program for you. >There are many different programs available. We will discuss some of them and >what you are looking for. >Family Tree Maker- This is a basically good program that prints out good forms >and reports. The creator (Bronderbund) also sells CD's of other peoples >information and useful information from their web site at: >http://www.familytreemaker.com >Family Origins- I like this program. The newest version 6.0 is better than >ever. It prints out good reports, forms and even books on your descendants and >ancestors. You can find out more at their web site >at:http://www.parsonstech.com >Personal Ancestral File- This program was created by the LDS Church. It prints >out good programs and is a good inexpensive program ($15). >There are many other programs out. I have not had experience with them but all >are basically good.Ancestral Quest-- Roots IV-- Reunion-- Family Roots-- >Brothers Keeper--Ultimate Family Tree-- and many others. > It might be good to hear from some of you as to what program you have and >what you like about it. >Once you have a program, you start entering your information in to it. It will >be much easier to keep trackof and to find relationships once this is done. > >We had discussed research logs previously. Now we will talk about documenting >your information. >It is very important to document your sources of information. If you can get >photo copies of records it is great. These are called primary sources. Things >in a newspaper or hearsay are called secondary information. Many times you can >get valuable information about your ancestor by finding these records. A >military service record will often have a general description of the person. >Family bibles, pictures, old diaries or journals are also good ways to learn >more about your ancestor. It is up to you as to what information you find >important to find. Birth marriage and death certificates will often lead you >to other relatives. > >I would like some input and suggestions from all of you as to what other >information you can find and what you learn from it. > >Well, thats it for this time. Happy Hunting and Good Luck! >Dianne > > >==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== >We believe in being honest,true,chaste,benevolent,virtuous,and in doing good to all men; indeed we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul >-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous,lovely,or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these. 13th Article of Faith > >listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com > >

Dear Dianne- I have been doing genealogy for over 25 years, but I am new to doing genealogy on the internet. I have had PAF 2.2 since it first came out and I really like it. Fortunately we have 2 computers, so I went ahead and bought FTM (mainly because my 2 non-member 2nd cousins who work with me on compiling family history use that program) so I put FTM on the other computer. I like FTM especially for the capability of storing photos in the scrapbook. Another advantage to having 2 computers is that I can be on the internet on one and have PAF open on the other to do quick and easy checking. One thing I did this summer was print an up-dated wall chart of my pedigree and posted it. It really helped me know where I stood in my research. Another thing I did earlier this month was solve the frustration I was feeling getting people mixed up. Now with almost 3000 names entered I was getting confused on who were direct-line ancestors and who were on colateral lines. So I went through and marked each direct-line ancestor with a * after their surname. It has been wonderful. This task took one evening, but it has made things so nice because now I have those names specially marked. A bonus was when I pulled up the alpha (index) for a particular surname all the * names were alphabetized at the head of the list together followed the rest of the same surname. Such easy reference. One thing I am so glad I have done throughout the years is keep good source notes. IT IS SO IMPORTANT!!! You have to make decisions as to what you will have showing in the record on your computer screen, but in the note section jot down other sources and the specific discrepancies. You will come across people who have chosen to use those sources for their entries and it's good to know where they got their info. Then you won't be discontented but simply nod your head in understanding and carry-on agreeing to disagree. I have a few examples to share, but not this time, on how patience with misinformation opens brickwalls and hearts. Back to source notes. When using a compiled genealogy reference(secondary source) to glean info, be sure to check any footnotes that cite a primary source. Sometimes we get so excited finding that name or date or location that we overlook what sources the compiler used that could lead us to even more info as we go to that orignal source ourselves. Be sure to keep track of where you have looked and did not find the information you were looking for. Not just titles but page numbers. I am so glad I did this when I recognized a previously fruitless source by the very title. Just about ready to cast it aside I decided to look at my resource log. There I noted I had looked for this same person in this same source last year, BUT now I was considering some spelling variations which I hadn't done before. Instead of putting it aside I hit paydirt! This is my feedback. I hope this is what you had in mind. Sincerely- Char -----Original Message----- From: AZDEE@aol.com <AZDEE@aol.com> To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:54 PM Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] Lesson Two >Hi Everyone, >In lesson one we learned to start with ourself and then ask relatives for >information. This lesson is about Using Your Computer For Genealogy. >Finding the Right Genealogy Program for you. >There are many different programs available. We will discuss some of them and >what you are looking for. >Family Tree Maker- This is a basically good program that prints out good forms >and reports. The creator (Bronderbund) also sells CD's of other peoples >information and useful information from their web site at: >http://www.familytreemaker.com >Family Origins- I like this program. The newest version 6.0 is better than >ever. It prints out good reports, forms and even books on your descendants and >ancestors. You can find out more at their web site >at:http://www.parsonstech.com >Personal Ancestral File- This program was created by the LDS Church. It prints >out good programs and is a good inexpensive program ($15). >There are many other programs out. I have not had experience with them but all >are basically good.Ancestral Quest-- Roots IV-- Reunion-- Family Roots-- >Brothers Keeper--Ultimate Family Tree-- and many others. > It might be good to hear from some of you as to what program you have and >what you like about it. >Once you have a program, you start entering your information in to it. It will >be much easier to keep trackof and to find relationships once this is done. > >We had discussed research logs previously. Now we will talk about documenting >your information. >It is very important to document your sources of information. If you can get >photo copies of records it is great. These are called primary sources. Things >in a newspaper or hearsay are called secondary information. Many times you can >get valuable information about your ancestor by finding these records. A >military service record will often have a general description of the person. >Family bibles, pictures, old diaries or journals are also good ways to learn >more about your ancestor. It is up to you as to what information you find >important to find. Birth marriage and death certificates will often lead you >to other relatives. > >I would like some input and suggestions from all of you as to what other >information you can find and what you learn from it. > >Well, thats it for this time. Happy Hunting and Good Luck! >Dianne > > >==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== >We believe in being honest,true,chaste,benevolent,virtuous,and in doing good to all men; indeed we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul >-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous,lovely,or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these. 13th Article of Faith > >listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com > >

I have used Ancestral Quest and find it very easy it also allows you to do the temple ready feature. I used PAF before also. AQ will accept the format of PAF 2.x but not PAF 3.0. Both programs have very clumsy search engines when trying to merge people. They work ok but I have not found one yet that will search and find all the duplicates. -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Ray [mailto:jmlsray1@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 6:10 PM To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] Lesson Two This is a subject I would like to add my two cents too. I have Family Orgins and really like it. It is really easy to use for creating temple ready disc also so you can take them right to the FHC and get them ready for the temple. I also love the reports and how you can choose the LDS support option. I have also used Ancestral Quest and like it but I've gotten really use to the ease of input on Family Orgins. I recently tried Ultimate Family Tree and wouldn't reccomend it to anyone. Especially someone that wants or need LDS support. I am very unhappy with it and as soon as I get a refund I'm getting the new family orgins. I think a good program with easy input and LDS support is a nessecity for any FH work. Laurie > Family Origins- I like this program. The newest version 6.0 is better than > ever. It prints out good reports, forms and even books on your descendants and > ancestors. You can find out more at their web site > at:http://www.parsonstech.com > are basically good.Ancestral Quest-- -Ultimate Family Tree-- and many others. > ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== Visit my Homepage for Gen-Rooters-L at http://members.aol.com/AZDEE/index.html listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

This is a subject I would like to add my two cents too. I have Family Orgins and really like it. It is really easy to use for creating temple ready disc also so you can take them right to the FHC and get them ready for the temple. I also love the reports and how you can choose the LDS support option. I have also used Ancestral Quest and like it but I've gotten really use to the ease of input on Family Orgins. I recently tried Ultimate Family Tree and wouldn't reccomend it to anyone. Especially someone that wants or need LDS support. I am very unhappy with it and as soon as I get a refund I'm getting the new family orgins. I think a good program with easy input and LDS support is a nessecity for any FH work. Laurie > Family Origins- I like this program. The newest version 6.0 is better than > ever. It prints out good reports, forms and even books on your descendants and > ancestors. You can find out more at their web site > at:http://www.parsonstech.com > are basically good.Ancestral Quest-- -Ultimate Family Tree-- and many others. >

In June I spent a week in SLC at the FHL with the mission of finding the parents of my 2ggrandmother Candace Kelsey Waterman Philbrick Brown. I found them and also added another 734 relatives to my files. Her parents are Samuel Kelsey (1756-1838) and Betty Hollister (1757-1831). Their paternal lines went back several generations, but the maternal ones did not. So if anyone should be doing research on the MCKEE line that marries Hollister, I am interested. This Samuel Kelsey's mother is Mary STANDELEF. That's the sum total of the info I have on her. So if anyone is working that line I'd like to hear from you. Would be happy to share any info I have. Sincerely, Char

Hi Everyone, In lesson one we learned to start with ourself and then ask relatives for information. This lesson is about Using Your Computer For Genealogy. Finding the Right Genealogy Program for you. There are many different programs available. We will discuss some of them and what you are looking for. Family Tree Maker- This is a basically good program that prints out good forms and reports. The creator (Bronderbund) also sells CD's of other peoples information and useful information from their web site at: http://www.familytreemaker.com Family Origins- I like this program. The newest version 6.0 is better than ever. It prints out good reports, forms and even books on your descendants and ancestors. You can find out more at their web site at:http://www.parsonstech.com Personal Ancestral File- This program was created by the LDS Church. It prints out good programs and is a good inexpensive program ($15). There are many other programs out. I have not had experience with them but all are basically good.Ancestral Quest-- Roots IV-- Reunion-- Family Roots-- Brothers Keeper--Ultimate Family Tree-- and many others. It might be good to hear from some of you as to what program you have and what you like about it. Once you have a program, you start entering your information in to it. It will be much easier to keep trackof and to find relationships once this is done. We had discussed research logs previously. Now we will talk about documenting your information. It is very important to document your sources of information. If you can get photo copies of records it is great. These are called primary sources. Things in a newspaper or hearsay are called secondary information. Many times you can get valuable information about your ancestor by finding these records. A military service record will often have a general description of the person. Family bibles, pictures, old diaries or journals are also good ways to learn more about your ancestor. It is up to you as to what information you find important to find. Birth marriage and death certificates will often lead you to other relatives. I would like some input and suggestions from all of you as to what other information you can find and what you learn from it. Well, thats it for this time. Happy Hunting and Good Luck! Dianne

Get a hold of your ISP and ask them what they need to authenticate. If you are using a free email service then you would need to email them. Can you even get into your email account? -----Original Message----- From: April Thacher [mailto:athacher@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 3:23 PM To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] POP I have a user name and password. And I followed the instuctions for setting it up...How do I authenticate with POP? I have never had to that before. HELP!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== If you wish to change to the digest list send an email to GEN-ROOTERS-D-request@rootsweb.com and in the body of the message put the one word SUBCRIBE To unsubscribe form the list (L or D) send an email to GEN-ROOTERS-(L or D according to which one you are receiving-it is on the top of the emails you receive)request@rootsweb.com put the one word message in the body of the letter-- UNSUBSCRIBE listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

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