You wrote: >I have PAF 3.0. I've made a mistake I need help undoing. I did "add >family" when I should have done "add individual". Now I have a male who >died as an infant with spouse listed as "unknown". How do I remove the >unknown? With the infant male in upper left corner, press "D" and then select "remove family links" (not "delete all family members") -- this will get rid of the unknown wife and turn him into an unmarried individual. If you haven't already linked him as a child to a family, then with his father in the upper left hand corner, press "A", then select "Add Child", then "Child is in the file. I know RIN." Enter the infant male's RIN and he will be linked to his father's family. To make it easier and quicker in the future, do not use "Add an Individual" function unless you are adding someone who is unrelated to everyone else in your data base. To link a child to an existing family -- make sure the father and mother are in the upper left corner, then press "A", then select "Add Child", then select "Child is not yet in file -- Add Child." After adding the first child, you will be asked if you want to add any more children. If you accidently get the children out of birth order, then after completing the adding of children, press "G" then "Rearrange Children" to correct this.

I am sorry this message is off topic but my SIL"s Brother is on a Mission in Santa Domingo where hurricane Jorge hit so hard today,,does anyone know how we can get info on his well being? Is there a site or a phone # his mother could call to see if there is any word on the Missionary's there? She is frantic with worry. Thankyou Pj

Hi everyone! Thought you might like to know the temple updates. They are as follows: Birmingham, Alabama announced 9/11/98 Memphis, Tennessee announced 9/11/98 Columbia, South Carolina announced 9/11/98 AND... the word is that many more of these smaller temples are to be announced by the church leaders soon! In this way the prophecies of "temples that will dot the land" are indeed coming to fruition! Now the access to link the eternal bonds of family will be in a neighborhood near you soon! The Lord is truly wonderful! May we live worthy of the blessings and strive to do His works! Shelley _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

IT is great to hear that they are building one down there. We in the north and Midwest are grateful also to have the groundbreaking ceremony for the temple in the twin cities of Minnesota this Saturday.

Confirmed today by Church headquarters, a temple to be built in Columbia South Carolina!!!!!!!!!! We in the South are VERY EXCITED!!!!!!! Sue in Savannah _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Dianne I just got the news of the new Temples and when I told Jake he said, lets go back to Alabama!! We do miss the area and the people back there. I also saw your new site and sujestions. I don't know much on this research but I sure have been finding my people. Sending my best, Bonnie

Susan, I used to live in Aiken SC and I missed a temple. I am excited for all you good Saints there in that area. Bonnie Ferguson jacboni@aol.com

Whoohooo everybody!! Birmingham is just 98 miles away - GREAT news!!! Dianne

Hey, I have a question. speaking of PERSI.... after you search it, what do you do with the results? The ones I saw were so vague I'd have no idea if I'd be able to use what I'd found, even if I could figure out how to get it... Any clues? or am I just dense? :) Thanks Lynne Norris

The loud laughter you hear is me-- I forgot to send the link to the new page hahaha- gosh!! rofl(rolling on floor laughing) Here it is : <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/CD642US/ptone.html">Genealogy ONE </A>

HI Everyone, I have made a new page with some of the suggestions on the how-tos when it comes to keeping track of research. Please take a look and let me know what you think- But lets not clutter the list up with comments so please write to me by clicking here.... <A HREF="mailto:azdee@aol.com">azdee@aol.com</A> Thanks Dianne PS This is kind of what I ahve in mind for the helpful hints and suggestions we should be getting on the list in the next few days- I will make one page for online helps and one for off line helps. Also--if you want your email address and name next to your suggestion please let me know. I dont add this info without permission!!

As a former resident of Minneapolis (ground-breaking for temple this next week) and now a resident of Austin (Houston ground-breaking complete), WAY TO GO!! I'm excited for the members in Mt Olive, NC, which is where I joined. Diane At 09:41 PM 9/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >Confirmed today by Church headquarters, a temple to be built in Columbia >South Carolina!!!!!!!!!! We in the South are VERY EXCITED!!!!!!! >Sue in Savannah > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== >We believe in being honest,true,chaste,benevolent,virtuous,and in doing good to all men; indeed we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul >-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous,lovely,or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these. 13th Article of Faith > >listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com >

Hi, I know the end of summer and the beginning of the school year is like a breath of fresh air to parents whose children have been home all summer ;-) but it is time we got back to work here on the list. I would like to see each one of you send: 1. Your favorite search link 2. Your favorite query submitting spot 3. Any news of what you have found over the summer -if anything 4. A helpful hint or explination on how to search some where on or off the net- What about all of you FHC Directors and etc- tell the newbies what IGI is or PERSI is and how to search it-- There are lots of things you can help them understand how to use- -Public libraries- what do they have?? I know you can all come up with at least one or two helpful hints for the newer researchers. Once we get it all together I will post it on a web page - Kind of a frequently asked questions page or how to page for all to share -- Need Input!!!! Love to all Brothers and Sisters on the list Dianne

I've used PERSI a few times, but I don't claim to be an expert. But, here's what I know: When you submit a name or word to PERSI (I think it stands for "periodical source index"), you'll see a form appear with information on it. Information on this form will refer you to the actual source. Most sources are referred to by initials, so you'll need to know what the initials refer to. If it's a monthly/quarterly journal, it will also tell you what year, month, issue, etc. to look in. Once you have that information, you need to find the journal (or whatever the source may be)! So far, every journal that I've wanted to look in has been available at the FHL. I don't know if they do look-ups or not, but you could email them and ask. It's really quite easy to use. I've found some articles that have had some very helpful information, and some without. This may not answer your question, but at least you'll know that PERSI is an index--it refers you elsewhere. Annette in Utah OZARKLUVRS@aol.com wrote: > Hey, I have a question. speaking of PERSI.... after you search it, what do > you do with the results? The ones I saw were so vague I'd have no idea if I'd > be able to use what I'd found, even if I could figure out how to get it...

Hi, You could delete family and start him over. Dianne

I have PAF 3.0. I've made a mistake I need help undoing. I did "add family" when I should have done "add individual". Now I have a male who died as an infant with spouse listed as "unknown". How do I remove the unknown? My research crosses over with information submitted to the ancestral file. To link my families with the other ones I would image that I need to use the ancestral file number when I submit my information. How do I add ancestral file numbers. PAF won't let me do it by hand. Heidi dpetty@juno.com Researching ELLIS (MA,NY,MI, WI, IA, ND) and HERRICK (NY, WI, IA) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Would you believe...these are copies of actual correspondence received by the Family History Department: Our 2nd great grandfather was found dead crossing the plains in the library. He was married 3 times in the endowment house and has 21 children. He and his daughter are listed as not being born. I would like to find out if I have any living relatives or dead relatives or ancestors in my family. Will you send me a list of all the Dripps in your library? My Grandfather died at the age of 3. We are sending you 5 children in a separate envelope. Documentation: Family Bible in possession of Aunt Merle until the tornado hit Topeka, Kansas, now only the Good Lord know where it is . . . The wife of #22 could not be found. Somebody suggested that she might have been stillborn -- what do you think? I am mailing you my aunt and uncle and 3 of their children. Enclosed please find my Grandmother. I have worked on her for 30 years without success. Now see what you can do. I have a hard time finding myself in London. If I were there I was very small and cannot be found. This family had 7 nephews that I am unable to find. If you know who they are, please add them to the list. We lost our Grandmother, will you please send us a copy? Will you please send me the name of my first wife? I have forgotten her name. A 14-year-old boy wrote: "I do not want you to do my research for me. Will you please send me all of the material on the Welch line, in the US, England and Scotland countries? I will do the research.

Dear Diane, Not much action on the list lately, I was thinking that a good "topic" to share would be true accounts of how the Lord has helped us with our genealogy. If you think this is a good idea, feel free to include my story which I will "cut and paste" below. Sherrie "AND THE WAY WILL BE PREPARED BEFORE YOU, AND DOORS WILL BE OPENED UNTO YOU" Twenty years ago I received counsel in my patriarchal blessing to seek after my ancestors. As a total amateur, I started attending the family history class taught during Sunday School. Because many generations of my mother's genealogy were already completed, I wanted to work on my father's side of the family, but my father and his father and mother were all deceased. By writing to the county courthouse, I was led to a dear Methodist minister. He helped me discover my great great grandfather, William McKendre Clark, who had been one of the founders of their local Methodist Church. But, search as I might, even travelling to William's birth place in Bourbon County, Kentucky, I never could find the names of his parents. After completing as much as I could of my four generations, and with the increasing demands of a growing family, I set my genealogical records on the shelf for many years. In 1991, the prompting to know my ancestors returned, and I took the new Sunday School family history class, vowing to try again. More trips were made to my local family history center (FHC), even several to Salt Lake City, but no new information on William's parents was discovered. I wrote letters to everyone from Methodist archivists to county clerks to fellow researchers, but no one had the information I was seeking. Then, in January of this year, I was called to work in the FHC -- I was thrilled! This would be an opportunity to not only use the new computer system to search again, but I would also learn so much as I worked with the other patrons. More research, more trips to the Salt Lake City FHC -- even studying every history of Methodism I could put my hands on; but, no clues, no mention of my Reverend William Clark. One evening, as I went to help a friend work on her family history, I got to talking with a fellow co-worker at the FHC about my frustration in never finding my great, great grandfather's parents. He leaned close to me, and asked "Sister Wieland, do you believe in a God who is omnipotent, knowing all things from the beginning to the end?" What could I say, but, "Yes, you know I do." Then, fixing his clear, blue eyes intently on mine, with a tremor in his voice, he bore powerful witness to me: "Sister Wieland, there are no dead ends in genealogy. The Lord knows every individual who ever lived on this earth and he knows where every detail of their life can be found. Through our faithful prayers and patience, he will reveal it to us." His words rung over and over in my mind, "There are no dead ends in genealogy." I was afire with new hope! A few weeks later, I got a call from my brother's wife, offering me an all-expense paid trip to do genealogy with her in the Midwest (her ancestors came from just across the Mississippi River in Grand Mound, Iowa). Her parting words, as she hung up, were, "This time we're going to find William's parents!" We flew into Chicago and rented a car to drive across the state to Knox County; it was 106 record-breaking degrees and 90% humidity! I spent all Thursday evening and all day Friday and Saturday searching the genealogical records in the county court house and county library. I looked at 1840 censuses, 1850 censuses, county histories, even cemetery records; and discovered three other children for William McKendre that I never knew existed. But, even though I had worked tirelessly with a constant prayer in my heart, I felt no closer to unraveling the identity of his parents. Sunday, we went to church in Iowa, and I offered silent prayers of supplication to the Lord, selfishly reminding Him of the sacrifices my family had made to let me come, and pleading that He wouldn't let me return home without what I had come for. A quiet prompting came to me that I should drive back down and visit the cemetery in person. I had already been to the Abingdon Cemetery ten years previously, and I knew it would be so hot and muggy, my logical side argued for staying in the air conditioned motel room! However, I asked my brother if he would accompany me one last time, before we were to fly out of Chicago the next day. I called the retired minister who had assisted me twenty years previously, and miraculously he was still alive and even remembered me. I told him I wanted to see if I could possibly locate the unnamed headstones of two of William's children that I now knew had died as infants. He directed me to a small country cemetery, which I had never visited before, located near William's old farmstead. Nearly two hours later, we pulled onto the small country road leading to Gilson, Illinois. Not knowing exactly which way to go, we stopped and asked a farmer who was out in his yard. He gave us directions to the old McCalister Cemetery: "Oh, go on up this hill and you'll see the gate just about a half mile down the road on the left." He concluded with the classic, "You can't miss it." Four miles later, I said to my brother, "I think we missed it." Again, we saw an older farmer working in his garden and asked for new directions. "Well," he said, "You go back down this hill and up the next and down the next and you'll see a wooded lot on your right. Ya can't miss it!" "Swell," we thought, and retraced our steps. Three miles later, we decided we had missed it again! Another stop, only this poor man said he had no idea as he was just here visiting his aunt -- he suggested we go on down the road and talk with the farmer on the corner, "He'll know." "Yeah," we thought to ourselves, "he will, as he has already told us once!" With darkening storm clouds on the horizon, we decided to try one last time. My brother drove about a quarter mile farther and pulled sharply off the road into a hidden, overgrown cow trail. I thought he had just found a turnaround, but there in front of us was a big old wooden farm gate surrounded by weeds as tall as it was -- not at all the wrought-iron gate of our imagination! Nowhere in sight were the headstones or crosses we had expected to see, only a miniscule, nondescript sign reading "McCallister Cemetery." We set off through the abandoned cow pasture, following an old path that disappeared into a grove of trees atop a small hill in the distance. Reaching the knoll, we could see a tidy, small cemetery surrounded by a modern fence. My brother stepped forward to open the heavy steel gate, but it swung open before us! We walked through and I looked at my brother and he looked at me. We both looked back at the gate. It slowly shut back exactly where it had been before. It gives me goose bumps even now! My brother, always the skeptic, said, "Aww, it's just the wind." Even though there was not even a breeze when he said this, we watched and waited and watched and finally the gate stirred just a tiny little bit, so my brother said to me, "See," and we turned to begin our search of the old headstones. I noticed, however, that he continued to look back over his shoulder at that gate -- he later admitted he never did see it open again. Halfway through the cemetery, we found a large marker, the granite-etched words half-effaced, but still reading William E. Clark. William E. was one of William M's sons. There, beside this headstone, were three tiny, tablet-sized headstones with the scarcely discernible names of Milton, Martha, and Mary Clark written on them. But, miracles of miracles, and wonders of wonders, (I'm getting goosebumps again!) at the end of the three small stones was a larger marker inscribed with these three names and their death dates on two sides, BUT on the front side was carved in large letters: Ruth Clark, age 60 years. I knew William had named his first daughter Ruth, and the Spirit bore witness to me that this was William M's mother which is why her grandchildren's names could share her tombstone. And, if her name was not enough to cause me to shout, "Hallelujah!" there on the bottom of the tombstone was inscribed "a native of Maryland." Here in front of me was what I had been searching and praying for, for twenty years. I felt like kneeling down right there beside her grave and pouring out my heart in gratitude to the Lord. The great joy in my heart is still visible in the picture my brother took. The sun that had been shining brilliantly was now gone and dark clouds gathering; we knew it was time to go. As we approached the gate, my brother turned to me to say, "Well, it won't open again." But before he could even touch the gate, it opened out to us, just as it had before. We slipped through, almost reverently. As we looked back, we watched the gate swing closed, exactly as before. This time my brother could only shake his head and humbly comment, "I'm a witness; it really happened!" Glancing at the threatening skies, my brother observed, "Looks like tornado weather to me, and mark my words, that if we don't get out of here NOW we won't get out of here without a four-wheel drive." We scurried quickly along the path and back into the car. As we drove away, we turned on the radio to hear the weather report and listened in amazement as the announcer told of a fast-moving, severe thunderstorm that had just hit Maquon, a town barely three miles away. The storm had left behind six inches of standing water, and was now heading Northwest directly towards the cemetery. Could I deny that I had been guided and protected in my search? No! not any more than Joseph Smith could deny that he had seen God. I had seen the hand of the Lord helping me and I knew it and I knew God knew it! We will never know, but I will always feel that it was my great great grandmother Ruth who opened the gate for my brother and me. She had waited so patiently for us to come and find her and seal her to her three precious grandchildren. We are promised that the Lord will open doors for us to find our kindred dead. I bear solemn witness to you that doors were opened for me and they will be opened for you as you turn your heart to your ancestors. A true account written by Sherrie Wieland, September 1995, Roseburg, Oregon

EVERTON'S FAMILY HISTORY NEWSLINE is a daily news service of the largest genealogical magazine in the world: Everton's Genealogical Helper. If you want your ad to reach beyond the Internet, place an ad in Everton's Genealogical Helper - read by over 200,000 genealogists! Call 1-800-443-6325 for more information. 18 September 1998 Frank Beacon: Getting Involved The 1 September 1998 edition of Family History Newsline included an article titled "The 2000 Census: A Cautionary Tale". In brief, the article noted that the U.S. Census Bureau has proposed to base official census results on a partial enumeration and a statistical sampling, rather than relying wholly on an every-person record as they have in the past. The article recommended that genealogists write their political representatives and point out that census records are valuable to genealogists because of the biographical and genealogical data they contain, and urged FHN readers to consider the effect of the policies of record-keeping bodies on their ability to research their family history. As you might imagine, we at FHN were blessed with a number of responses to this article, ranging from "Thank you for the warning, I'm going to tell all of my friends!" to "Stick to genealogy and keep your nose out of politics!". Of course, there is no way to separate genealogy from politics because the political process affects our lives, just as it affected the lives of our ancestors. And census records are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Government offices also keep birth, marriage, divorce, death, probate, land, criminal, passport, immigration, license, military service and pension records. And many more. How each of these records is created, stored, and released to the public (that's us) is of great interest to us as researchers. If we want to continue to use these records in our research we need to be involved in the political process on whatever level these records are maintained, whether that is local, state or federal. But that's just the beginning. If we can't separate the political process from the rest of our lives, neither can we separate the religious. Churches also maintain valuable genealogical data, and if we care about that data we need to make an effort to affect that process positively, too. And what about other of life's associations? Clubs, lineage societies, fraternal organizations and professional associations all maintain records that may be valuable to us in our research. Even though they usually don't create them, both public and private libraries maintain records that are invaluable to the researcher. On the other hand, cemeteries are often NOT maintained, but they too contain valuable data. To echo the September 1st article: If you want to ensure that you and your descendants will be able to use these resources in your research, you need to be involved. A letter or fax or email to an archivist or librarian or other official may be nice, but being involved is more than just writing a letter. As we say in the United States, you need to "put your money where your mouth is". You need to do more than just ask someone else to do somethng for you, you need to do something yourself. If census lists are important to you, have you spent time indexing or preserving some of them? If cemetery records are important to you, have you taken the time to transcribe monumental inscriptions? Have you "adopted" an "orphan" burial site? If church records are important to you, have you volunteered to help preserve the records of a local congregation? You can't do it all, but you need to do something. Because in the end the people who make the decisions about their records and the way they maintain them will not look at you as a Republican or Democrat, as Catholic or Protestant, as one of "them" or one of "us". Instead, they will see you as caring and committed or as apathetic and unconcerned. And if they don't care themselves, and don't perceive that anyone else cares, the records they have might just disappear. And that would be a tragedy beyond political or religious lines. Frank Beacon frankb@everton.com Copyright 1998, Everton Publishers All rights reserved -------------------------------------------------------------------- FAMILY HISTORY NEWSLINE is a free daily genealogy news service provided by Everton Publishers P.O. Box 368 Logan, UT 84323 Toll-free: 1-800-443-6325 http://www.everton.com subscribe: <lists@everton.com> message: subscribe history unsubscribe: <lists@everton.com> message: unsubscribe history Recent articles are available online at http://www.everton.com/FHN/

My heart is full and my gratitude if great for your heart warming and spiritual witness of the power of the Holy Spirit and the divinity of genealogy work. I too have been waiting over 25 years to find out the name of my gggrandfather's ( Montgomery B. Rose) parents. I too know that he is patiently waiting for me to find his as I feel his spirit with me whenever I read about him or about the Civil War battle in which he was wounded. My testimony is strengthened and I am greatful for your generosity is sharing yours. Thank you, Jackie Rose Madden