Hi to all the Gen-Rooters. I came across this request & it seemed a natural for this group! I hope you can help this lady and at some point the information may help me also. Thanks to all. Gene Warner Subject: [WARNER-L] MORMON Warners Does anyone have knowledge of the family which immigrated to Salt Lake City in the Handcart company listed below? Edmund Ellsworth Company Roster (First Company) Left Iowa on June 9, 1856 and arrived in Salt Lake City on September 26, 1856 Warner, James (60), wife and family Warner, Ann (49) wife Warner, Sarah Ann (14) Note: This is the only Warner entry found on these rosters of the 10 handcarts listed. Thanks, Linda

Dear Diane, Conference is already on the internet so you can "read for yourself"! But, there was sure a lot of power in Elder Ballard's address, so check it out first (first talk Saturday morning). Basically he said we need to double our efforts in family history, our dispensation doesn't have enough time to complete the work assigned to it, and we must HURRY! My husband (of course) went to the priesthood session and he reported that President Hinckley gave as close as he could to a warning to everyone that there is "trouble on the horizon" get out of debt, get your family in order. I think anyone that's read very much on the Y2K problem, could see that also. And, people could say, we've been told for many years to get out of debt. BUT, I see it as a clear warning myself! I'm making sure my food storage is in order! Conference was great, hope you enjoy reading it. Sherrie

Hi all, For those of us who were unable to attend conference- Would those who were able to tell us a bit of news?? It has been so quiet on the list. What subjects would you like to see discussed on the list to get more activity going? suggestions please. I am happy to discuss any subject related to genealogy. Anyone have any questions or problems?? Hello?? Hello?? :-) Dianne

If anyone is researching the BALDWIN family after they came to Utah with the pioneers I would love to correspond with you. Wallybaldw@AOL.com

Personally, I've been using my video recorder- I know I have the picture and sometimes on a larger view screen I've read things that I can't read in the cemetery under any condition.... It helps me that I have an extraction calling at church and I think it has carried over into my personal research.. Laurie Hendrix in Adams, Massachusetts

>From "The SIGNAL" Newsletter of The United States Internet Genealogical Society (October 1, 1998) at http://www.usigs.org/signal/98-10-1.htm#stones --John Tombstone Inscriptions Revisited To cream or not to cream, That is the question. Whether 'tis nobler to be environmentally safe Or to slather shaving cream on tombstones Or to choose some other method -- To cream, to read, Aye, there's the rub -- But is the rub better? Or is snapping a photo or a video, bouncing light, washing with a specially prepared solution? The whole purpose is to read the inscription and to transcribe it for future generations in a graveyard that fast is coming under the heels of vandals, of bulldozers, and of an acidic atmosphere that is eating up the stones of time. After one writer-genealogist outlined what he considered his tried and true methods of deciphering epitaphs in a recent issue of The Signal (see What do flour, shaving cream, tracing paper, and chalk have in common?), the editors were inundated under a flow of protests, suggestions, questions. Genealogy mail lists across Cyberspace pounced on the thread, and the stream of suggestions became a tidal wave of advice. In only one respect was there agreement -- on the necessity of recording these epitaphs in a secure place now before even more vandals, bulldozers, acid rain, and time obliterate the fading, chalking letters beyond redemption. Over and over readers offered that refrain - Whatever we do, let us do it now, soon! Keep the tombstones intact so long as possible, but don't let them disintegrate. Even hastening the demise is better than letting an old tombstone just die away out in a lonely pasture somewhere. Having offered that little tidbit of encouragement, however, we hasten to look at what may be both environmentally safe, as well as effective in obtaining vital records for the family root searcher. Spraying shaving cream on the faint lettering long has been a method of choice, but many shudder at its continued use. The white foam will make the letters stand out, but chemicals in the foam are bad for the stone itself, say many. Not so, counters one correspondent who claim shaving cream has had a bad rap. Everything is either acidic or caustic, he points out, and one is as bad for the stone as the other. He claims to have checked with five manufacturers of tombstones and all say shaving cream will not hurt the tombstone if the stone is washed down afterwards. One suggested using dishwashing soap and a soft brush to wash the stone. Another suggested using a weak vinegar solution (an acid) or a bleach (a caustic) to kill the moss which may be encrusting the stone. This correspondent says he takes a two gallon container of water with a spray attachment with him and "It works well." I checked with the management of a large, privately owned cemetery and mortuary in my area, and he seconded these recommendations. "We do not object to shaving cream on our old stones if you want to wash them afterwards," he said. Besides taking plenty of fresh, cool water and a light brush to the cemetery, other readers suggested taking along everything from aluminium reflectors, cameras, cardboard, chalk, rubbing paper, mirrors, flashlights, tape recorders, notebooks, bug spray, chigger repellent, lunch -- in short, virtually everything but a dead cat at midnight! And one person made a point of suggesting a night-time visit as the best time to read the inscription with the aid of a flashlight, utilizing the contrast of light and shadow. "Be sure and clue in the local police," he cautioned. "You don't want to be taken as vandals!" E-mail, advice from the local mortuary, a listing of DOs and DON'Ts from the Association of Gravestone Studies and other sources have been compiled for further consideration. Picture taking, with or without a chemical bath, was among most popular suggestions. Spritzing with water first may help. Those who shudder at using shaving cream, dishwashing soap, vinegar, or bleach may use a little plain water to wash the stone. With a good lens, either a camera or camcorder does fine. Black and white film, which offers better contrast, may be preferable -- if you have access to a darkroom which will develop B&W these days. A tape recorder is also handy for note taking, describing the grave itself, its position in the cemetery and nearby burial sites. Lacking a recorder, the researcher will want to make copious notes in his binder, leaving nothing to memory. Using a mirror to position the light or to flash across the tombstone may be invaluable, suggested one reader, who says he never visits a cemetery without a mirror in his pocket. Aluminum foil, a large piece of white cardboard, or even a white notebook page can be used as a reflector to make the letters stand out. Taking care to direct the light source, either by sunlight or by reflectors, will make the letters stand out more. Light relected from an angle provides better relief and contrast than a head-on shot may. You may want to try both ways. Rubbing is a centuries-old method of preserving inscriptions along with the original lettering and other decoration on the tomb. Long before photography, family rooters were out rubbing, rubbing, rubbing. It has been turned into a fine art with many rubbings suggested as 'suitable for framing.' Rubbing in the field, however, offers different challenges from using black art paper and golden chalk in a place like Westminster Abbey. For one thing, the rubber does not want to use his bare hands on the tomb, warns one reader. "The mold and other things that grow on the stones will give you a rush you will remember long afterwards. It is not funny if you itch like crazy for a few days," he says. Rubbing may harm the stone in other ways, also. In order to make deep impression on the paper, the researcher may have to get into an awkward crouch position and push against an upright stone, which can cause it to tumble over. Even if the stone is a flat one in the ground, force of rubbing may crumble off the already deteriorating letters. Only infra-red was not suggested as a method of preserving. Probably that is only because at present it is inconvenient to carry an infra-red producing light source to the cemetery. Once a portable machine is practicable, watch out! Is there no way, then, to read the tombstone and not send it to its own grave faster? "Chalk the surface," says one reader. "Brush a little mud on," says another. "Splash with water," came other replies, over and over. We finally came up with this list below from the Association of Gravestone Studies http://www.berkshire.net/ags/ -or- http://www.oklahoma.net/caretom.txt Cleaning Stones Procedures to Avoid Avoid acidic cleaners on marble or limestone. Avoid sandblasting gravestones. Avoid high-pressure spraying. Do not attempt to clean any stone that is unstable. Do not attempt to clean stones without first receiving proper direction. Never use wire brushes or any metal instrument in cleaning stone. Do not substitute household cleaners for those listed here. Do not clean stones often. Even the most carefully cleaned stone loses stone particles with each cleaning. Do not plan to clean stones more often than once every several years, or longer. Avoid treating stones with "protective" coatings that are impermeable to water vapor. Tools for Stone Cleaning Plastic pails Goggles Rubber gloves Tampico (natural bristle) or plastic scrub brushes Toothbrushes Smooth wooden sticks such as ice-cream sticks or tongue depressors Q-tips Spray bottles Water source DOs and DON'Ts of Stone Rubbing 1.Remember -- reverence! No running or jumping on stones or in their vicinity. 2.Always supervise children, and consider not bringing children under 12 into the cemetery while you work. Some cemeteries forbid any children under the age of 10 from rubbing stones regardless of supervision. 3.Limit gravestone rubbing to sound stones only. Before proceeding, check each stone for stability. Do not work with any stone that appears fragile or unsound. 4.Limit the cleaning of a stone to dusting with a soft-bristled brush. Do not attempt to remove lichens or moss that may be growing on stones. Never use a wire brush on gravestones. 5.Use a heavy grade paper or pellon so ink does not bleed through onto the stone. 6.Cover the image amply with paper to avoid overrubbing onto the stone. Do not make any marks on the stone. 7.Attach paper with masking tape to the back of the stone. Be sure to remove all bits of tape from the stone and nearby ground before leaving. 8.Avoid rubbing deeply-carved stones. Such stones can be easily damaged and generally do not make good rubbings anyway. 9.Avoid rubbing marble or other stones with course-grained textures, as coloring agents may bleed through the paper onto the stones. 10.The best choice of stones for rubbing are slate stones in good condition with low-relief or incised carvings. These produce the best images on paper and are less easily damaged inadvertently. 11.Check the work site before leaving to be sure no tape, paper, or trash has been left behind. But whichever way you finally choose, please do this. Be careful, inscribe carefully, and preserve the notes you take. The tombstone you read today may not be there tomorrow, or next year, or in the next century. Their days may be numbered with ever-increasing speed. by Joan Rose- JRose10700@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- John D. Stone jdstone@erols.com http://www.erols.com/jdstone Visit the "Latter-day Saints' Resources on the Internet" -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Death is a graduation day and a time of assessment to see what we have become. -- Sterling W. Sill (Ensign, November 1976, page 46) --------------------------------------------------------------------

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I don't know who many people are aware, but in each issue of "Everton's Genealogical Helper", there is a list of 120-150 websites on a particular subject. These websites have been looked at by one of our researchers and tend to have good information. This past year, there have been lists for: European Research Military Research Midwest Research Folklore and Traditions Ethnic Research etc. In every issue, there are also reviews on 4-7 websites. This might be interesting to note for your list members. Thanks, - Lee Everton At 04:19 PM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >Sherrie: I will be waiting for your 10 best list. I also teach, and it's so hard to narrow it down. I'd like >to see if we both have the same ideas about which ones to share. Thanks, Linda Kay > >The Wielands wrote: > >> Dear Diane, >> I am going to teach a class on using the internet for genealogy in the next >> month or so, so I really want to say thank you to all who have so kindly >> shared their favorite sites! I have "played/surfed" a little, but haven't >> found success any of the times I have looked, but now I am inspired to get >> out there and try again! When I complete the preparation for the class, I >> will have combined together at least 10 different "best/favorite" lists, so >> I will resubmit that to this list at that time. >> Love, Sherrie >> Thanks again for all you do! >> >> ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== >> Helping each other is how we find our ancestors. Share information with others researching the same surname. >> >> listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com > > > > >==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== >Helping each other is how we find our ancestors. Share information with others researching the same surname. > >listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com > > > > > > > Everton's Genealogical Helper is published six times per year and has been in continuous publication since 1947. Helping you bring your family together. Contact: Toll-free: 1-800-4-GENEALOGY (1-800-443-6325) Voice: 1-435-752-6022 FAX: 1-435-752-0425 WEB: http://www.everton.com/

Sherrie, I will also be teaching a class, would you mind forwarding to me any response that you have received on best lists. I would realy appriciate it ____ Linda Harris 1872 Regents Park Ct Marietta GA 30062 770 578-0105 Researching in eastern NC and VA and southern PA

Sherrie: I will be waiting for your 10 best list. I also teach, and it's so hard to narrow it down. I'd like to see if we both have the same ideas about which ones to share. Thanks, Linda Kay The Wielands wrote: > Dear Diane, > I am going to teach a class on using the internet for genealogy in the next > month or so, so I really want to say thank you to all who have so kindly > shared their favorite sites! I have "played/surfed" a little, but haven't > found success any of the times I have looked, but now I am inspired to get > out there and try again! When I complete the preparation for the class, I > will have combined together at least 10 different "best/favorite" lists, so > I will resubmit that to this list at that time. > Love, Sherrie > Thanks again for all you do! > > ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== > Helping each other is how we find our ancestors. Share information with others researching the same surname. > > listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

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Dear Diane, I am going to teach a class on using the internet for genealogy in the next month or so, so I really want to say thank you to all who have so kindly shared their favorite sites! I have "played/surfed" a little, but haven't found success any of the times I have looked, but now I am inspired to get out there and try again! When I complete the preparation for the class, I will have combined together at least 10 different "best/favorite" lists, so I will resubmit that to this list at that time. Love, Sherrie Thanks again for all you do!

Thank-you very much for sharing your knowledge and expertise. Sincerely, Char Kibbie in Kent, Washington -----Original Message----- From: John D. Stone <jdstone@erols.com> To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 6:38 PM Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] Laminating v. Encapsulating >Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:00:55 +1200 >From: Prudence Miller <sculpt@es.co.nz> >Subject: laminating v. encapsulating > > >You asked if laminating was an option for preserving original documents. >As a trained conservator of works on paper I would say a very definite, "No!" >The pressure sensitive adhesive is not stable, the plastic has plasticisers >hat leach out over time and the possibility of reversing the operation is >virtually nil. > >However, to encapsulate the document would protect and preserve it ideally. >Take two sheets of clear polyester film "Mylar" (a Dupont product) or >"Melinex" (an ICI product) larger all round by an inch than your document. >On one attach 3M or Scotchpar encapsulating tape #415 right round the edge. >Place your document on this sheet. Remove the top layer of the 3M >encapsulating tape and carefully lower the second sheet on top of the first >starting from one side and easing out the air as you go until it is >attached to the tape all round. > >Trim the edges with a craft knife and steel edged ruler, and remove the >sharp corners by rounding with knife or scissors. > >The document should not touch the 3M encapsulating tape at all and is held >in place by the static charge and will not move. > >Supplier? Try: Light Impressions Archival Supplies, >439 Monroe Avenue, >P. O. Box 940, >Rochester, NY 14603-0940, >U.S.A. > >They have a wonderful catalogue full of excellent products for storage of >precious items. > >Hope this helps, >Regards, >Prue ><sculpt@es.co.nz> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >John D. Stone jdstone@erols.com http://www.erols.com/jdstone > Visit the "Latter-day Saints' Resources on the Internet" >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Death is a graduation day and a time of assessment to see what we >have become. -- Sterling W. Sill (Ensign, November 1976, page 46) >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== >Adam fell that men might be, and men are, that they might have Joy!! >2 Nephi 2:25 > >listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com > > > >