Could we please get back to the subject of genealogy, no offense intended, but there is another newsletter for the Temple business.

I'm not very familiar with the Petty name. I think most of them come from Tenn. My brother-in-law is a professional genealogist and has researched Pettys all over the country. If you have a specific name I could check with him. Heidi dpetty@juno.com Researching ELLIS (MA,NY,MI, WI, IA, ND) and HERRICK (NY, WI, IA) On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:03:02 -0600 Terry and Deby Houghton <hought@cyberhighway.net> writes: >Hello; >I have Pettys and Bakers in my line...mostly from Oklahoma, any >connection? > >Deby Houghton > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi, Genforum is a place where people list their surnames and other information and sometimes find cousins looking too. It is at: <A HREF="http://www.genforum.com/">GenForum</A> http://www.genforum.com Dianne

What is GENFORUM? Laurie, I have Simpsons in Orleans and Wyoming Counties, New York. Let me know if yours are there. Heidi dpetty@juno.com Researching ELLIS (MA,NY,MI, WI, IA, ND) and HERRICK (NY, WI, IA) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Thanks to all who responded to my request for clarification of the traveling on Sunday thing. While I'm not sure I understand it, at least I now have assurance that it is not quite the black-n-white thing that I was understanding it to be. I think I'll stick with prayerful consideration and making up my own mind. I do so love all the help available on this list!! Alice

I have to quickly tell you of my summer- with trying to get the "bad" beams out of my eye, I decided to help the older , no, any non-computer members with their genealogy. One sister had 251 names...I put it into PAF, did 5/6 names at the DC temple then got some of her end of lines into GENFORUM. I had put some of my end of lines in too, but hers came back in about 10 days... with 13 pages of names and references...! then we got another reply with 2 more pages... feeling frustrated I started to reopen my pages and work on my Burdick quest- just my great grandfather to me and all the cousins... I had just told my husband that I had over 100 cousins of my grandpa and grandpa Burdick, when he checked the emails.... I had looked for his lines through Canada and read some of the Arcadian sites- the Cyr and Langlois (Longley) names are there but no connections.. But someone had checked my GENFORUMS and wrote me of Laura Louise Hawes, my great grandmother- Lyman Burdick's MOM!!! well, if I get her data researched then I connect.... Long story shorted- went to LDS-History Center in Loudonville, NY- my 2 yr old didn't want to be there..we left drove to Grafton, NY- Town Clerk- no records there... went back home and went to Florida, MA with a cousin- office closed- walked two cemeteries and found over 30 connections to verify her names that were written with no references on them!!! Still I have no facts on Laura, but I'm so busy doing these other two lines that's ok!! I'm busy enough with the recording of them and now today I finally have a court date for Oct. 30 instead of June 1999 for the last time into court over my first divorce (he left in 1981)... The Lord keeps us busy when we need to be... I love it..! Thanks for your discussions and kind words... It has kept me going... Laurie in MA Researching main lines of: Biskup, Burdick, Hendrix, Longley, Muggle (Mogul) mostly in Mass, NYork, and Vermont Some of the rest in NY and VT are: Simpson, Thompson and Johnson.

I'm sorry some individuals can't see the beam in their own eye. We are not a people of absolute rules for everything we do or don't do. We live by the Spirit, through prayer, to strengthen our families and return them to our Heavenly Father to be with him. As taught by the Prophets, when we live our lives in accordance with the Spirit, we don't need someone telling us we are living "inappropriately". We have the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost to guide us. I certinly think they are better teachers than imperfect mortal man. Ron Gooden

Hello fellow rooters, I am in a tither llooking for a book on the Mullins family. It is "The Mullins Family of SE Kentucky" by Bertha Mullins. Has anyone heard of it? Any help would be appreciated. Grins, Kaye One never knows when one tiny piece will pull the puzzle together.

Shelley's remarks are right on. The thing we must always remember is to ask the Lord and then accept His answer by the promptings of the spirit. Listening to the Holy Ghost is the most important aspect of the gospel. How can we know what the Lord wants us to do unless we are listening. These words of Joseph Smith seem to very appropriate in this situation. "Thy mind, O man! if thou wilt lead a soul unto salvation, must stretch as high as the utmost heavens, and search into and contemplate the darkest abyss, and the broad expanse of eternity -- thou must commune with God. How much more dignified and noble are the thoughts of God, than the vain imaginations of the human heart! None but fools will trifle with the souls of men." {From "An Epistle to the Church", March 25, 1839, written from Liberty Jail. See _Times and Seasons_ 1:9:102-103, or _History of the Church_ 3:295 or _Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith_, p. 137} Lynn S. "The mind must not only possess a knowledge of truth, but the soul must revere it, cherish it, love it as a priceless gem." (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine, p. 269) -----Original Message----- From: Caroline House [mailto:mscldy@dcn.davis.ca.us] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 11:37 AM To: GEN-ROOTERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-ROOTERS-L] Sabbath Day Hi all, I appreciate Shelley's remarks about the letter and spirit of the law. I am an old-time member, and I remember being told never to travel on Sunday. However, I find that it is sometimes what happens. But I always feel that little nag of guilt. We are going to Salt Lake to the FHL in October., a 12-hour drive. In order to get the maximum amount of time there with the least amount of lost income, we are planning to drive home on Sunday. I think it is justified, but I appreciated having a little moral support for my conscience. This comes into perspective when you understand that my conscience hurts me when I eat white bread, especially if it is store-bought! I think we have to be really careful not to get caught up on little, picky details and lose sight of the whole picture. I guess that little prick of conscience helps me evaluate my choices, so that I have think about each of these decisions and make a decision about whether it is justified or rationalized. Caroline ==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== We all help one another in the hopes of finding the piece of the puzzle that will show us our own ancestors. listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com

Hello helpful rooters, Maybe, some of you can help clear up my understanding. As a fairly recent convert, I run up against things every now and then that I don't understand. I was just informed that a weekend trip to visit that requires driving home on Sunday is not appropriate. It seems to be ok to drive to/from Sacrament meeting; back to the building later for choir; over to stake center for a fireside; across town to visit Mom & Dad. But, driving home from a trip is not ok. What am I missing? Did some prophet say this? Where does it come from? Thanks for any clarification. Alice Volkert

I always thought that the thing about traveling on Sunday was that you had to purchase gas and food on the road. There are plenty of time that we have to travel on Sunday to visit family or reunions. But if we can we try not to travel on Sunday. Laurie

Message to Alice Volkert: When I first joined the church over 26 years ago, I had a similiar problem. While my husband was in a priesthood meeting, I sat quietly in a corner of the chapel peacefully crocheting. Our Branch President's wife saw me and went into hysterics. (She was a little high-strung anyway.) I thought I had commited a terrible sin. Another sister (God rest her soul) gently told me that it was not the proper thing to do in the chapel. I guess they just didn't understand that my needlework brought me a lot of peace and helped to open my heart and mind to the gospel. It relaxed me. Just to be safe, I did my crocheting in the car after that. Karen in OH

All I can say to this is that the General Authorities regularly travel on Sunday when they have gone to Stake Conferences and Regional Conferences. I think the issue is, not travel on Sunday, but why you are traveling on Sunday. If it can be done on Saturday or Monday fine, but if that is the only day to get home and be able to reach you other obligations then you have to travel on Sunday.

Wow, Alice, I had not heard this. I, too, am a convert. 29yrs. I quess I am in trouble. Again!:D If this is true. But then I am always learning something new. Some things require a lot of thought and much prayer. Occasionally there are things that are truly in a grey area. Seems to me, it would depend on many factors. Did we make it to church, was it necessary, how often we do it. My son and his wife are in Provo, and daughter and husband are in Rexburg. As college students far from home, they get lonely. Occasionaly they will visit each other. Sometimes going home before church but usually attending church with each other before heading home. It is much needed family time. My dau-in-laws father is a bishop and seems to encourage this practice. Otherwise it would be months before they could see family. Grins, Kaye At 08:37 PM 10/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hello helpful rooters, > >Maybe, some of you can help clear up my understanding. As a fairly >recent convert, I run up against things every now and then that I don't >understand. I was just informed that a weekend trip to visit that >requires driving home on Sunday is not appropriate. It seems to be ok >to drive to/from Sacrament meeting; back to the building later for >choir; over to stake center for a fireside; across town to visit Mom & >Dad. But, driving home from a trip is not ok. What am I missing? >Did some prophet say this? Where does it come from? Thanks for any >clarification. >Alice Volkert > > >==== GEN-ROOTERS Mailing List ==== >If you wish to change to the digest list send an email to GEN-ROOTERS-D-request@rootsweb.com and in the body of the message put the one word SUBCRIBE >To unsubscribe form the list (L or D) send an email to GEN-ROOTERS-(L or D according to which one you are receiving-it is on the top of the emails you receive)request@rootsweb.com put the one word message in the body of the letter-- UNSUBSCRIBE > >listowner questions to AZDEE@aol.com > > > One never knows when one tiny piece will pull the puzzle together.

We have made it our FAMILY practice not to travel on Sunday when the reason for the Sunday travel is just to extend vacation/play time. If we are traveling to be with family on a special occasion such as a missionary homecoming, wedding or funeral we would not hesitate. When we are away from home on a Sunday, we stay put and attend all of our meetings and try as much as possible not to eat out and such. To me the letter of the law is found in the scriptures and conference talks. As I strive live what is taught the Spirit teaches me the Spirit of the law and directs me in improving my life. I feel the true letter of the law leads to the Spirit. Would going to a fireside on Sunday strengthen me spiritually ? Yes. Would sitting in the car for 10 hours to get to the beach? Probably not. Heidi dpetty@juno.com Researching ELLIS (MA,NY,MI, WI, IA, ND) and HERRICK (NY, WI, IA) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi all, I appreciate Shelley's remarks about the letter and spirit of the law. I am an old-time member, and I remember being told never to travel on Sunday. However, I find that it is sometimes what happens. But I always feel that little nag of guilt. We are going to Salt Lake to the FHL in October., a 12-hour drive. In order to get the maximum amount of time there with the least amount of lost income, we are planning to drive home on Sunday. I think it is justified, but I appreciated having a little moral support for my conscience. This comes into perspective when you understand that my conscience hurts me when I eat white bread, especially if it is store-bought! I think we have to be really careful not to get caught up on little, picky details and lose sight of the whole picture. I guess that little prick of conscience helps me evaluate my choices, so that I have think about each of these decisions and make a decision about whether it is justified or rationalized. Caroline

Hello Y'all, Clarification on any of these matters is both spiritual and temporal in nature. I'll try to explain. In your letter, you indicated that you are a recent convert and are confused about the Sunday travel issue. Alice, you and many others, including life-long members find this issue confusing. {Maybe, some of you can help clear up my understanding. As a fairly recent convert, I run up against things every now and then that I don't understand. I was just informed that a weekend trip to visit that requires driving home on Sunday is not appropriate. It seems to be ok to drive to/from Sacrament meeting; back to the building later for choir; over to stake center for a fireside; across town to visit Mom & Dad. But, driving home from a trip is not ok. What am I missing? Did some prophet say this? Where does it come from?} Well, the REAL ISSUE here is not travel, but the Spirit of the law versus the letter of the law. Back in the days of the Mosaic Law, the worshippers were required to travel no further than the distance from their home to the synagoug and then back to their homes. Further distance than this was considered recreational and therefore a violation of Mosaic Law and punishable by stoning to death. Unfortunately, we have people within the church who are as fanatical in their approach without taking into account the REASON for the travel. The General Authorities and Prophets have encouraged us into WORTHY activities to visit family, shut-ins, the sick and elderly and to utilize our time building testimony and spiritual life within our circle of family and friends. This does not mean that boating with the elderly can be construed as a worthy activity. Recreational activities can be put onto other days. But--travel to help with genealogy, family gatherings and reunions, church related firesides and other opportunites WITHIN REASON. This becomes a personal issue as we are also counselled by our leaders to PRAY over these issues and certainly, you can ask your Bishop to assist you in your search for what is appropriate. Only you can truly know with the help of the Lord what is a worthy use of your time and talents. Don't let the LETTER of the Law prevent you from serving the spiritual needs around you. Likewise don't let your Spirit overwhelm your better judgement as to what is right. hang in there! It can work and it can serve to bless and enrich the lives of your family and yourself as well as those who reach out to you for your help. Shelley ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Shelley, I had printed off that question about the Sabbath day to show to my husband because he is in the Bishopric of our Ward. I wan to thank you for the beautiful answer you gave. Bonnie Ferguson jacboni@aol.com

My 3gg uncle, Edward CONNAWAY or CONNIWAY, was born 7 May 1818, probably in Tennessee. He was the oldest child of James CONNIWAY and Mary PICKETT. The family moved to Monroe Co., Mississippi shortly before 1830 and then moved on to Anderson Co., Texas in 1848. I don't think that Edward went with them to TX and I see no record of his having stayed in Monroe Co., MS. During the time they lived in Monroe Co., MS there were several hundred saints who were converted to the church by John Brown, "The Moses of the South." These saints settled in Pueblo, Colorado and in San Bernardino, California. I wonder if Edward was one of them. Does anyone have any knowledge of him? JMLarsen, St Paul, MN

I just read the nicest story, it has strengthened my testimony and given me greater determination to continue looking for my relatives beyond the veil. Some of you may have read this story before, but it's neat to read it again. Elder Joseph F. Merrill, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve, said the following while speaking at a funeral 28 December 1937. "My father once asked that question when his oldest son was taken away. The oldest son had the responsibility, in a measure, of looking after father's interests in the home town, taking care of business and economic affairs. But the son was called home, leaving a family of small children of his own. Father grieved. He had never grieved so much in his life. It was difficult. How could his son be needed as much on the other side as he was needed at home in Montana? And father related that one evening as he sat thinking of this matter, he looked up, and there the son stood beside him in spirit form, and speaking to him said, 'Father, do not grieve. You want to know why it is so? You know you are doing work for the dead here. You have gathered your genealogy, gotten all possible you could secure from the records, and you can be here doing temple work for those dead. Those dead are not yet converted, and I am engaged in the spirit world preaching the gospel as it was promised me in a patriarchal blessing that I could do. I am very busy. My time is given to that work. You and I are saving our family. You are doing the temple work and I am laboring among them.' My father never grieved again..." Joan Raney Charlotte, NC raneyj@rex.queens.edu raneys@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- John D. Stone jdstone@erols.com http://www.erols.com/jdstone Visit the "Latter-day Saints' Resources on the Internet" -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Death is a graduation day and a time of assessment to see what we have become. -- Sterling W. Sill (Ensign, November 1976, page 46) --------------------------------------------------------------------