That's great info, for me, Pat! I haven't yet gone to Nara in Laguna. I'm only about 30 minutes from there. I got spoiled by finding a contact already uploading a lot of info for Litmanova and Slovakia to his website, so in the process has posted pretty much all we need on MIL's mother's side, including New York census info on the immigrants, (I thank my lucky stars every day for this) And I found 3 live relatives on-line for Nebraska, FIL's side. I'll definitely subscribe to the New York City list. Must have missed it when I signed to New York State, because I was looking even for Manhattan etc. but do get bleary eyed at times. That list might be able to more specifically help with the unknown men and lost cousin we are looking for. I need to try another FHC. Went once to the Anaheim one when MIL was here at the end of June and couldn't make headway on anything. Their records on some things seemed old. I went to Cal State Fullerton, as I'm about a minute drive from it, but when I asked if they had the 1920 census they gave me crop reports. The research person acted completely blank about geneology at all, like she couldn't fathom anyone doing it or what it was, so it was kind of useless explaining, especially at that time I was newer at it. I plan on one day going to the local So. Cal. geneology branch, also in Huntington Beach, so I'm sure they can direct more of my searches too. Time to get off my comuter chair! Thanks, Jo