I am replying to the following message from J. Steffens: >Cornelis C Bogaert, b. ca 1637 >in Schoonrewoerd, South Holland, Netherlands. >He married Derkje (Dorothea) >Pieterse /Coeymans/. >They came to America sometime before 1641. In 1641 >they were residing in Rensselaerserick, NY and in 1661 they >were residing in Beverwyck (Albany), NY. He died 28 JUL >1665 in Albany, NY. How strange that this very name and topic should come in the mail today, because earlier in the day I sent to Dutch-Colonies an E-mail concerning Cornelis Corneliszen VOS (or De VOS), who married Derkje Pieterse COEYMANS! (I will include the E-mail below.) In the meantime I would like to know where you obtained this information, and where you came up with the name "Bogart" as a last name. Where did you find this information: >In 1641 they were residing in Rensselaerserick, NY and > in 1661 they were residing in Beverwyck (Albany), NY. > He died 28 JUL 1665 in Albany, NY. Sources have become critical at this point as you will see below. I look forward to hearing back. All the Best, Carma ******** Subject: What about Cornelis Cornelis De VOS from Schoendevoert? Date: 9/30/99 1:14 PM BCC: Dutch-Colonies, Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com. Some time ago I wrote that there seem to have been a number of people from (Van) Schoenderwoert, who became known as Van Woert & Van Oort, etc. There were some who kept patronymic names, such as Rutger Jacobszen Van Schoenderwoert, who according to family members was the progenitor of the American RUTGERS and RUTSEN families. Now, I have a Cornelis Cornelisz (De Vos)* Van Schoenderwoert who was evidently from there -- South Holland, I believe -- and who probably went back to the Netherlands abt 1665, leaving no progeny here in the Americas. I am hoping 1. Someone knows more about him than I do. (See what little I know below.) And . . . 2. Maybe Cor or Willem, or someone in the Netherlands can help me find more information about him and his wife. So, does anyone know anything about a Cornelis DE VOS* van Schoenderwoert or Van Woert an employee of the Dutch West India Company at Beverwyck, who married: (1) Dirckjen DE VOS a daughter of Pieter Coeymans? She died probably about or before 1663; and he married (2) One of the daughters of Andries De Vos (who may have been a cousin)? We think the daughter's name may have been Ariaantje. They left to go back to the Netherlands shortly after they were married. A letter from Lorine McGinnis Schulze <"Lorine McGinnis Schulze" lschulze@bconnex.net> sent on 12/ 9/ 98 states: >>"Cornelis Cornelis VOS from Schoendevoert, >>widower of Dirckjen Pietersen Coeymans, >>m2 ca 1664 to Catherine DE VOS' younger sister. >>Catherine DE VOS was the d/o Andries DE VOS and had married >>Arent Andriessen BRADT ca 1648, having 6 children with him >>before his death. >> In 1664 Catherine m Barent van Ditmars and only >> a few months later her sister m. Cornelis Cornelis VOS." Lorine's letter continues: >>"Peter Christoph speculates that he [Cornelis De VOS] >> may have been a cousin [to Andries De Vos] >>According to Christoph, within 2 years of their marriage, >>Cornelis VOS and his wife [Catherine DE VOS' sister] returned >> to the Netherlands. Andries DE VOS sold a lot on behalf of >> Cornelis VOS in 1667 when Cornelis returned to Netherlands." >> "A document dated 26 July 1657 in Fort Orange, names Cornelis >> as "Cornelis Cornelissen de Vos" >>[Source - "Early Records of the City and County of Albany and >> Colony of Rensselaerswyck 1656-1675", Vol. 1 by Pearson] >> A footnote to this document states "Andries De Vos is called >> 'schoonrader' (father in law) of Cornelis Vos" The reference given >> is Deeds II 1667. " ******************* *He is referred to as Cornelis De Vos in Ed Giddings' book, "Coeymans and the Past," Always Searching, Carma