If there is any chance that the family is De Houx, please let me know. I have been trying to find out if there is any connection between these Van Burens and the wife of Jacob Verzelini, the 2nd glass monopoly owner in England who was a Venetian, by way of Bruges and settled near London. Honor >>> <[email protected]> 07/18/02 07:09PM >>> I have been surfing the net in an effort to get more information on Maria Hoes, the Mother of Pres. Martin van buren but do not find much on her. The most I found, by using my best search engine, was a relationship chart showing how Martin and his wife Hannah Hoes were related to each other but no where have I been able to find a Hoes/Van Hoesen gen forum; web-page or anything that I could search for more information. Some years ago those of us researching the Boyer family found "information" that states the wife of Johannes Boyer [who seems to be Anna Garter/Gerter/Gerder] was a cousin of Martin Van Buren's Mother. I just recently found out who his Mother was. Has there been extensive research done on the Hoes/Van Hoesen family tree? If the information we have is correct, Ann Garter/Gerter/Gerder was b 03 Jun 1733 in Schenectedy. Olive California ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/