Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the Island (Long, that is). ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many > years. > > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? > > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the > "Island" they meant Long Island. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >> official >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter what >> it >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once heard >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much history >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact that >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >>> >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) >>> is >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >>> City) >>> of >>> Staten Island. >>> >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was >>>>called >>> the Borough of Richmond. >>> >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >>> >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 when >>> the >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure >>> in >>> all >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >>> sub-divided >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, >>> Kings, >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >>> >>> >>> 1683 >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >>> Southfield and Westfield. >>> >>> 1860 >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton >>> and >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>> Northfield, >>> Southfield and Westfield. >>> >>> 1866 >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. >>> >>> 1872 >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>> Northfield, >>> Southfield and Westfield. >>> >>> 1898 >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >>> County >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the City >>> of >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of >>> Long >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway >>> peninsula >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >>> City. >>> >>> 1975 >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains coterminous >>> with >>> Richmond County. >>> >>> >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >>> >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Walter Greenspan >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >>> >>> >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >>> >>> New York State is divided into counties. >>> >>> County >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created >>> to >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >>> divided >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >>> >>> City >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >>> Cities >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >>> geographic >>> areas. >>> >>> Town >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within >>> the >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >>> >>> Village >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily >>> by >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to >>> those of a >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >>> geographic >>> areas. >>> >>> Hamlet >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >>> neighborhoods, >>> which >>> are informal geographic areas. >>> >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >>> established >>> by >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >>> "Town" >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >>> borders. >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >>> hamlet >>> location. >>> >>> >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of >>> places have a >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >>> where >>> that >>> place is actually located. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks, Ann. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the > Island (Long, that is). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >> years. >> >> Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >> >> I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to >> the >> "Island" they meant Long Island. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >>> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >>> official >>> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter >>> what >>> it >>> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >>> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once >>> heard >>> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >>> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much history >>> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact >>> that >>> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >>> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >>> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >>> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) >>>> is >>>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >>>> City) >>>> of >>>> Staten Island. >>>> >>>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was >>>>>called >>>> the Borough of Richmond. >>>> >>>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >>>> >>>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 >>>> when >>>> the >>>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure >>>> in >>>> all >>>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >>>> sub-divided >>>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, >>>> Dutchess, >>>> Kings, >>>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >>>> >>>> >>>> 1683 >>>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >>>> Southfield and Westfield. >>>> >>>> 1860 >>>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton >>>> and >>>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>>> Northfield, >>>> Southfield and Westfield. >>>> >>>> 1866 >>>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. >>>> >>>> 1872 >>>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. >>>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>>> Northfield, >>>> Southfield and Westfield. >>>> >>>> 1898 >>>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >>>> County >>>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the >>>> City >>>> of >>>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City >>>> of >>>> Long >>>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the >>>> Rockaway >>>> peninsula >>>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >>>> City. >>>> >>>> 1975 >>>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains >>>> coterminous >>>> with >>>> Richmond County. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >>>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >>>> >>>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Walter Greenspan >>>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >>>> >>>> >>>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >>>> >>>> New York State is divided into counties. >>>> >>>> County >>>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, >>>> created >>>> to >>>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >>>> divided >>>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >>>> >>>> City >>>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >>>> Cities >>>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >>>> geographic >>>> areas. >>>> >>>> Town >>>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within >>>> the >>>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >>>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >>>> >>>> Village >>>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily >>>> by >>>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves >>>> with >>>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to >>>> those of a >>>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >>>> geographic >>>> areas. >>>> >>>> Hamlet >>>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is >>>> governed >>>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >>>> neighborhoods, >>>> which >>>> are informal geographic areas. >>>> >>>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >>>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >>>> established >>>> by >>>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >>>> "Town" >>>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >>>> borders. >>>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >>>> hamlet >>>> location. >>>> >>>> >>>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >>>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of >>>> places have a >>>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >>>> where >>>> that >>>> place is actually located. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message