This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? Interesting? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the > Island (Long, that is). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > > > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many > > years. > > > > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? > > > > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the > > "Island" they meant Long Island. > > > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > > > > >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the > >> official > >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter what > >> it > >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the > >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once heard > >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official > >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much history > >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact that > >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island > >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> > >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM > >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) > >>> is > >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York > >>> City) > >>> of > >>> Staten Island. > >>> > >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was > >>>>called > >>> the Borough of Richmond. > >>> > >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: > >>> > >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 when > >>> the > >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure > >>> in > >>> all > >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was > >>> sub-divided > >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, > >>> Kings, > >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) > >>> > >>> > >>> 1683 > >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, > >>> Southfield and Westfield. > >>> > >>> 1860 > >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton > >>> and > >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, > >>> Northfield, > >>> Southfield and Westfield. > >>> > >>> 1866 > >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. > >>> > >>> 1872 > >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. > >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, > >>> Northfield, > >>> Southfield and Westfield. > >>> > >>> 1898 > >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond > >>> County > >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the City > >>> of > >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of > >>> Long > >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway > >>> peninsula > >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York > >>> City. > >>> > >>> 1975 > >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains coterminous > >>> with > >>> Richmond County. > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS > >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. > >>> > >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> Walter Greenspan > >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY > >>> > >>> > >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State > >>> > >>> New York State is divided into counties. > >>> > >>> County > >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created > >>> to > >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are > >>> divided > >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. > >>> > >>> City > >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. > >>> Cities > >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal > >>> geographic > >>> areas. > >>> > >>> Town > >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within > >>> the > >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be > >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. > >>> > >>> Village > >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily > >>> by > >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with > >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to > >>> those of a > >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal > >>> geographic > >>> areas. > >>> > >>> Hamlet > >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed > >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into > >>> neighborhoods, > >>> which > >>> are informal geographic areas. > >>> > >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" > >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district > >>> established > >>> by > >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and > >>> "Town" > >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community > >>> borders. > >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or > >>> hamlet > >>> location. > >>> > >>> > >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of > >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of > >>> places have a > >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community > >>> where > >>> that > >>> place is actually located. > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope Walter can further respond to this discussion, for I was sure it was a community on Long Island. His well-informed background on Hamlets Towns and Cities is at the bottom of this thread. As for the community of Richmond Hill, and trying to be "more smart than foolish" before walking in on your conversation, I decided to be sure--so I checked an AAA map with a date code [I think] of 1998. I found that Richmond Hill does not appear in their Index of Long Island Cities and Towns, nor does it appear on their Index of NYC and Vicinity Towns and Cities--(which includes Staten Island (alias Richmond Co., alias the Borough of Richmond)! Then--my mind being stymied, popped up wondering--was Richmond Hill an early Ma-Bell telephone company prefix, [as in Murray Hill]? (!) If Walter is still monitoring the Long Island List, I hope he reads this message. His wealth of information on Long Island Hamlets, Towns and Cities is already at the bottom of this, maybe he can expand the info for all of us NY and vicinity genealogists. As for me, I'e been a long-time away from the Metropolitan area, so I can't be considered an authority....... As the saying goes..."you can take me out of New York, but you can't take New York out of me! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? > Interesting? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >> Island (Long, that is). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >> > years. >> > >> > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >> > >> > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to > the >> > "Island" they meant Long Island. >> > >> > Maureen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> > >> > >> >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >> >> official >> >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter > what >> >> it >> >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >> >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once > heard >> >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >> >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much >> >> history >> >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact > that >> >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >> >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >> >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York > State) >> >>> is >> >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >> >>> City) >> >>> of >> >>> Staten Island. >> >>> >> >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island >> >>>>was >> >>>>called >> >>> the Borough of Richmond. >> >>> >> >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >> >>> >> >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 > when >> >>> the >> >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental >> >>> structure >> >>> in >> >>> all >> >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >> >>> sub-divided >> >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, > Dutchess, >> >>> Kings, >> >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 1683 >> >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1860 >> >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of >> >>> Castleton >> >>> and >> >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1866 >> >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of >> >>> Castleton. >> >>> >> >>> 1872 >> >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of > Castleton. >> >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1898 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >> >>> County >> >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the > City >> >>> of >> >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City > of >> >>> Long >> >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the > Rockaway >> >>> peninsula >> >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >> >>> City. >> >>> >> >>> 1975 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains > coterminous >> >>> with >> >>> Richmond County. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >> >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >> >>> >> >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >> >>> >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> >> >>> Walter Greenspan >> >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >> >>> >> >>> New York State is divided into counties. >> >>> >> >>> County >> >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, > created >> >>> to >> >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >> >>> divided >> >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >> >>> >> >>> City >> >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >> >>> Cities >> >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Town >> >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory >> >>> within >> >>> the >> >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >> >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >> >>> >> >>> Village >> >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed > voluntarily >> >>> by >> >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves > with >> >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar >> >>> to >> >>> those of a >> >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Hamlet >> >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is > governed >> >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >> >>> neighborhoods, >> >>> which >> >>> are informal geographic areas. >> >>> >> >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >> >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >> >>> established >> >>> by >> >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >> >>> "Town" >> >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >> >>> borders. >> >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >> >>> hamlet >> >>> location. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >> >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority >> >>> of >> >>> places have a >> >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >> >>> where >> >>> that >> >>> place is actually located. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm sure Walter will weigh in, but meanwhile, if you have a road map that covers Queens, start at Kennedy Airport and go north on Rt. 678 to Atlantic Ave., then a little west. Voila! Richmond Hill. I think a lot of neighborhoods in Queens no longer have distinct postal addresses. Joy Jan Miller wrote: >I hope Walter can further respond to this discussion, for I was sure it >was a community on Long Island. His well-informed background on Hamlets >Towns and Cities is at the bottom of this thread. As for the community of >Richmond Hill, and trying to be "more smart than foolish" before walking in >on your conversation, I decided to be sure--so I checked an AAA map with a >date code [I think] of 1998. > >I found that Richmond Hill does not appear in their Index of Long Island >Cities and Towns, nor does it appear on their Index of NYC and Vicinity >Towns and Cities--(which includes Staten Island (alias Richmond Co., alias >the Borough of Richmond)! >Then--my mind being stymied, popped up wondering--was Richmond Hill an >early Ma-Bell telephone company prefix, [as in Murray Hill]? (!) > >If Walter is still monitoring the Long Island List, I hope he reads this >message. His wealth of information on Long Island Hamlets, Towns and Cities >is already at the bottom of this, maybe he can expand the info for all of us >NY and vicinity genealogists. As for me, I'e been a long-time away from >the Metropolitan area, so I can't be considered an authority....... >As the saying goes..."you can take me out of New York, but you can't take >New York out of me! >Jan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> >To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:00 AM >Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > > > >>This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? >>Interesting? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >>>Island (Long, that is). >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >>>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >>>>years. >>>> >>>>Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >>>> >>>>I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>"Island" they meant Long Island. >>>> >>>>Maureen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >>>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >>>>>official >>>>>designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter >>>>> >>>>> >>what >> >> >>>>>it >>>>>was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >>>>>beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once >>>>> >>>>> >>heard >> >> >>>>>anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >>>>>records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much >>>>>history >>>>>(including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact >>>>> >>>>> >>that >> >> >>>>>Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >>>>>Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >>>>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >>>>>Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York >>>>>> >>>>>> >>State) >> >> >>>>>>is >>>>>>coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >>>>>>City) >>>>>>of >>>>>>Staten Island. >>>>>> >>>>>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>was >>>>>>>called >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>the Borough of Richmond. >>>>>> >>>>>>Geographic History of Richmond County: >>>>>> >>>>>>Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>when >> >> >>>>>>the >>>>>>General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental >>>>>>structure >>>>>>in >>>>>>all >>>>>>of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >>>>>>sub-divided >>>>>>into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>Dutchess, >> >> >>>>>>Kings, >>>>>>New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>1683 >>>>>>Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >>>>>>Southfield and Westfield. >>>>>> >>>>>>1860 >>>>>>The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of >>>>>>Castleton >>>>>>and >>>>>>Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>>>>>Northfield, >>>>>>Southfield and Westfield. >>>>>> >>>>>>1866 >>>>>>The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of >>>>>>Castleton. >>>>>> >>>>>>1872 >>>>>>Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>Castleton. >> >> >>>>>>Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>>>>>Northfield, >>>>>>Southfield and Westfield. >>>>>> >>>>>>1898 >>>>>>The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >>>>>>County >>>>>>following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>City >> >> >>>>>>of >>>>>>Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City >>>>>> >>>>>> >>of >> >> >>>>>>Long >>>>>>Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>Rockaway >> >> >>>>>>peninsula >>>>>>of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >>>>>>City. >>>>>> >>>>>>1975 >>>>>>The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains >>>>>> >>>>>> >>coterminous >> >> >>>>>>with >>>>>>Richmond County. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >>>>>>definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >>>>>> >>>>>>I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>>>>Walter Greenspan >>>>>>Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >>>>>> >>>>>>New York State is divided into counties. >>>>>> >>>>>>County >>>>>>A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>created >> >> >>>>>>to >>>>>>perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >>>>>>divided >>>>>>into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >>>>>> >>>>>>City >>>>>>A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >>>>>>Cities >>>>>>are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >>>>>>geographic >>>>>>areas. >>>>>> >>>>>>Town >>>>>>A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory >>>>>>within >>>>>>the >>>>>>state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >>>>>>sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >>>>>> >>>>>>Village >>>>>>A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed >>>>>> >>>>>> >>voluntarily >> >> >>>>>>by >>>>>>the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves >>>>>> >>>>>> >>with >> >> >>>>>>municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar >>>>>>to >>>>>>those of a >>>>>>city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >>>>>>geographic >>>>>>areas. >>>>>> >>>>>>Hamlet >>>>>>A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is >>>>>> >>>>>> >>governed >> >> >>>>>>at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >>>>>>neighborhoods, >>>>>>which >>>>>>are informal geographic areas. >>>>>> >>>>>>Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >>>>>>A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >>>>>>established >>>>>>by >>>>>>the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >>>>>>"Town" >>>>>>may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >>>>>>borders. >>>>>>Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >>>>>>hamlet >>>>>>location. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >>>>>>non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority >>>>>>of >>>>>>places have a >>>>>>different community name in their mailing address than the community >>>>>>where >>>>>>that >>>>>>place is actually located. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>> >>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > >

It was never on Staten Island. It was originally in a part of Long Island that later became part of Queens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? > Interesting? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >> Island (Long, that is). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >> > years. >> > >> > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >> > >> > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to > the >> > "Island" they meant Long Island. >> > >> > Maureen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> > >> > >> >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >> >> official >> >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter > what >> >> it >> >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >> >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once > heard >> >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >> >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much >> >> history >> >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact > that >> >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >> >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >> >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York > State) >> >>> is >> >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >> >>> City) >> >>> of >> >>> Staten Island. >> >>> >> >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island >> >>>>was >> >>>>called >> >>> the Borough of Richmond. >> >>> >> >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >> >>> >> >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 > when >> >>> the >> >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental >> >>> structure >> >>> in >> >>> all >> >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >> >>> sub-divided >> >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, > Dutchess, >> >>> Kings, >> >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 1683 >> >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1860 >> >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of >> >>> Castleton >> >>> and >> >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1866 >> >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of >> >>> Castleton. >> >>> >> >>> 1872 >> >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of > Castleton. >> >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1898 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >> >>> County >> >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the > City >> >>> of >> >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City > of >> >>> Long >> >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the > Rockaway >> >>> peninsula >> >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >> >>> City. >> >>> >> >>> 1975 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains > coterminous >> >>> with >> >>> Richmond County. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >> >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >> >>> >> >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >> >>> >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> >> >>> Walter Greenspan >> >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >> >>> >> >>> New York State is divided into counties. >> >>> >> >>> County >> >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, > created >> >>> to >> >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >> >>> divided >> >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >> >>> >> >>> City >> >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >> >>> Cities >> >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Town >> >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory >> >>> within >> >>> the >> >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >> >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >> >>> >> >>> Village >> >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed > voluntarily >> >>> by >> >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves > with >> >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar >> >>> to >> >>> those of a >> >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Hamlet >> >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is > governed >> >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >> >>> neighborhoods, >> >>> which >> >>> are informal geographic areas. >> >>> >> >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >> >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >> >>> established >> >>> by >> >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >> >>> "Town" >> >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >> >>> borders. >> >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >> >>> hamlet >> >>> location. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >> >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority >> >>> of >> >>> places have a >> >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >> >>> where >> >>> that >> >>> place is actually located. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My mother was a 5th generation Brooklynite. Any time anyone referred to the "Island" it was always in reference to Long Island. It might well have been in another galaxy although there was no real geographical separation, it was a culture thing. Staten Island was always that...Staten Island. Frederick J Scheffler -----Original Message----- From: gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann O'Hara Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:34 AM To: gen-nys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden It was never on Staten Island. It was originally in a part of Long Island that later became part of Queens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? > Interesting? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >> Island (Long, that is). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >> > years. >> > >> > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >> > >> > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to > the >> > "Island" they meant Long Island. >> > >> > Maureen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> > >> > >> >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >> >> official >> >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter > what >> >> it >> >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >> >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once > heard >> >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >> >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much >> >> history >> >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact > that >> >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >> >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >> >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York > State) >> >>> is >> >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >> >>> City) >> >>> of >> >>> Staten Island. >> >>> >> >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island >> >>>>was >> >>>>called >> >>> the Borough of Richmond. >> >>> >> >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >> >>> >> >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 > when >> >>> the >> >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental >> >>> structure >> >>> in >> >>> all >> >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >> >>> sub-divided >> >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, > Dutchess, >> >>> Kings, >> >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 1683 >> >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1860 >> >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of >> >>> Castleton >> >>> and >> >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1866 >> >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of >> >>> Castleton. >> >>> >> >>> 1872 >> >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of > Castleton. >> >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1898 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >> >>> County >> >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the > City >> >>> of >> >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City > of >> >>> Long >> >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the > Rockaway >> >>> peninsula >> >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >> >>> City. >> >>> >> >>> 1975 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains > coterminous >> >>> with >> >>> Richmond County. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >> >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >> >>> >> >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >> >>> >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> >> >>> Walter Greenspan >> >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >> >>> >> >>> New York State is divided into counties. >> >>> >> >>> County >> >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, > created >> >>> to >> >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >> >>> divided >> >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >> >>> >> >>> City >> >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >> >>> Cities >> >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Town >> >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory >> >>> within >> >>> the >> >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >> >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >> >>> >> >>> Village >> >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed > voluntarily >> >>> by >> >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves > with >> >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar >> >>> to >> >>> those of a >> >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Hamlet >> >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is > governed >> >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >> >>> neighborhoods, >> >>> which >> >>> are informal geographic areas. >> >>> >> >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >> >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >> >>> established >> >>> by >> >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >> >>> "Town" >> >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >> >>> borders. >> >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >> >>> hamlet >> >>> location. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >> >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority >> >>> of >> >>> places have a >> >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >> >>> where >> >>> that >> >>> place is actually located. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message