I don't care where people grew up or their opinions about certain "minority" groups..... I'm researching my ancestors and since this list has moved from that, I am requesting that I be removed from the list. Thanks to you intelligent, kind and generous folks that have helped me in the past. If any of you still need my help and want to carry on with genealogy work, feel free to contact me. However, I have eyes and ears to read and hear other non-genealogy news for myself. My great uncle used to say, "opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one!" He was quite right. ciao, adios, hasta lluego, a bientot and bye, brian w williams new orleans PS. A symbol of the south's "heritage" is the rebel flag which goes back to the civil war era... People in the south on either side of the issue will never get that resolved... some say by not keeping it "messes with our heritage" and there are those that say let it go because it is a reminder of "opression and years of slavery, hatred of their people." So I guess whatever the "majority" says goes (whether its right or wrong?) hmmm O well. Nonetheless, when doing genealogy I find family on both sides of the civil war, revolutions (loyalists, etc.) and I'm sure in future generations, many of people in existence today will be found to have been on different sides of today's wars and issues. The Human way.

PETA really stands for: People Eat Tasty Animals I have short shrift with radical organizations. We should all change our lives and behaviour for minority groups? All PETA people should live on a farm for a year ala Paris Hilton and they should take an extensive course on this country's history. (I grew up on a small farm myself). Laurien

Yesterday's Poughkeepsie Journal had the entire "Letters to Editor" section devoted to letters from local citizens about the PETA mess. Most are humorous ..........we locals do have a sense of humor re PETA....especially now. The organization has lost all respect and credibility with this "fish" foolisness. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martinez-Gibson, Elizabeth A." <MartinezE@cofc.edu> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: RE: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? As a linguist and a person interested in genealogy, I am with you on leaving the name as is. "kill" as Jean has indicated comes from part of our heritage in NY. There are two main original influences in terms of language in NY: English and Dutch (of course today we have Yiddish, Spanish, and others). Those that settled in that area had their reasons for calling it "Fishkill"="Fish Creek". There were probably many fish in that area. When the Spanish named the State of Arizona, they had their reasons...I recently reviewed a book on Americanisms, where the author talks about the poetic and nature type names people gave places in the past, but today we name places after people (usually those with lots of money). Anyway...I am an animal lover, but let's not distort things, afterall language is meaning and I believe we know the true meaning our ancestors intended when naming this area. Liz Martinez ________________________________ From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] Sent: Sun 7/31/2005 5:25 PM To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've signed the petition and hope lots more will. Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is just one example: named for Jan Peek. I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French teacher, now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves language and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how well-meaning. If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might want to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County Lists I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and vocal activist for our history and genealogy) Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley Heritage, I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its name - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 [excerpt] If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first made nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens to be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's ''fish empathy project.'' - ------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Visit the GEN-NYS-L web page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/

I came in on this discussion late and really don't know what started it all. But, "kill" in the name Fishkill is an anglicization of the Dutch "vischers" or stream. Hence, Fishkill means "Fisher's Stream". Similar to Cobleskill or "Cobles's Stream" named after an early Dutch settler. Bruce At 09:43 AM 8/6/2005, Martinez-Gibson, Elizabeth A. wrote: >As a linguist and a person interested in genealogy, I am with you on >leaving the name as is. "kill" as Jean has indicated comes from part of >our heritage in NY. There are two main original influences in terms of >language in NY: English and Dutch (of course today we have Yiddish, >Spanish, and others). Those that settled in that area had their reasons >for calling it "Fishkill"="Fish Creek". There were probably many fish in >that area. When the Spanish named the State of Arizona, they had their >reasons...I recently reviewed a book on Americanisms, where the author >talks about the poetic and nature type names people gave places in the >past, but today we name places after people (usually those with lots of >money). Anyway...I am an animal lover, but let's not distort things, >afterall language is meaning and I believe we know the true meaning our >ancestors intended when naming this area. > >Liz Martinez >________________________________ > >From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] >Sent: Sun 7/31/2005 5:25 PM >To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > > > >Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've signed >the petition and hope lots more will. > >Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or >stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many >towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is >just one example: named for Jan Peek. > >I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French teacher, >now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves language >and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how >well-meaning. > >If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might want >to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County Lists >I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean > > From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and >vocal activist for our history and genealogy) >Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! > >In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley Heritage, >I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of >Animals (PETA) > >Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link >http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html > >This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its >name - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their >ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. > >Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 > >[excerpt] >If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the >striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? > >PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. > >The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first made >nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants >the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens to >be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's ''fish >empathy project.'' >- ------------------------------------------------------------- >Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. >Ginny > > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ > > > > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Visit the GEN-NYS-L web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/ Bruce L. Nicholson, Ph.D. Professor (Fall Semesters Only - Semi-retired) Department of Biochemistry, Microbiology.and Molecular Biology University of Maine Orono, Maine 04469 Email: brucen@maine.edu Home: Gold Canyon, Arizona Personal Web Page: www.geocities.com/brucelnicholson

As a linguist and a person interested in genealogy, I am with you on leaving the name as is. "kill" as Jean has indicated comes from part of our heritage in NY. There are two main original influences in terms of language in NY: English and Dutch (of course today we have Yiddish, Spanish, and others). Those that settled in that area had their reasons for calling it "Fishkill"="Fish Creek". There were probably many fish in that area. When the Spanish named the State of Arizona, they had their reasons...I recently reviewed a book on Americanisms, where the author talks about the poetic and nature type names people gave places in the past, but today we name places after people (usually those with lots of money). Anyway...I am an animal lover, but let's not distort things, afterall language is meaning and I believe we know the true meaning our ancestors intended when naming this area. Liz Martinez ________________________________ From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] Sent: Sun 7/31/2005 5:25 PM To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've signed the petition and hope lots more will. Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is just one example: named for Jan Peek. I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French teacher, now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves language and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how well-meaning. If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might want to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County Lists I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and vocal activist for our history and genealogy) Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley Heritage, I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its name - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 [excerpt] If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first made nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens to be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's ''fish empathy project.'' - ------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/

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On 8/2/05 (7:11:23 AM MDT), in a posting to GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com, Jean Snow (snowstar@earthlink.net) asked, "I always knew when I lived in Port Jefferson (LI) that its original name was Drowned (or Drown) Meadow. Years ago, after I'd bought Spafford's 1834 Gazetteer, I was amused to find several other odd names in Brookhaven Town. For example, he calls Mt Sinai "Old Man's." But I'm not sure about the south shore towns he names Fireplace (east of Blue Point - perhaps Bellport?) And then he says, between Mastic and Moriches is "The Forge." I'd love to know what they became (like Old Man's and Drowned Meadow) or if they just disappeared. Anyone know? Maybe there's a Brookhaven Town Historian?" Fireplace is now called Brookhaven (the Hamlet of Brookhaven in the Town of Brookhaven). For the other place names, you may want to contact: Historian's Office Town of Brookhaven 3253 Route 112, Suite 1 Medford, NY 11763-1411 Tel: 631/451-8038 Fax: 631/???-???? eMail: ????? http://www.brookhaven.org/departments/parks.asp?dept_id=5&page_id=5 I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

I always knew when I lived in Port Jefferson (LI) that its original name was Drowned (or Drown) Meadow. Years ago, after I'd bought Spafford's 1834 Gazetteer, I was amused to find several other odd names in Brookhaven Town. For example, he calls Mt Sinai "Old Man's." But I'm not sure about the south shore towns he names Fireplace (east of Blue Point - perhaps Bellport?) And then he says, between Mastic and Moriches is "The Forge." I'd love to know what they became (like Old Man's and Drowned Meadow) or if they just disappeared. Anyone know? Maybe there's a Brookhaven Town Historian? TIA Jean

I just found a couple of very interesting sites: Here's PETA in 1996!: From: http://www.cnn.com/US/9609/06/fishy.name/ A fishy name will stay the same September 6, 1996 Web posted at: 11:50 p.m. EDT (Excellent article - an early one, as Ginny took her info from a later one) And curious about the derivation of Catskill, the following: How did the Catskills get their name? from http://www.catskillguide.com/faq.htm There is no definitive source for the name. It is widely assumed it was the name given by Henry Hudson to the creek (kill is Dutch for creek, so never say Catskill creek, you're saying Cats creek creek!) where he landed to trade with the Indians. Traditionally, it's thought that Hudson either named it for the bobcats and lynx common in the area; or for Jacob Cats, the poet laureate of Holland at the time. This second theory was popular in the later 19th century, when the Catskills were prominent in American art and literature. The problem is the Dutch didn't name places for people, but then again, Hudson wasn't Dutch, he was an Englishman working for the Dutch. etc. etc.

Hello, I am a new lister. I am looking for any information on the following people: 1. JAMES CHRYSTIE (birth/death dates UNK) married in 1807 in New York City JEHOIADDEN NICHOLSON (1783-1828, daughter of Commodore James Nicholson of the Continental Navy and his wife Frances Witter). I have not been able to find anything about the life and/or ancestry of James Chrystie. 2. THOMAS CHRYSTIE (b. NY abt 1809 and living in New Windsor, Orange, County, in 1850). Married Elizabeth Ludlow. Thomas Chrystie was related to Jehoiadden Nicholson (his children, grandchildren and grt grd children given first and middle names of Jehoiadden Nicholson's parents and siblings including surnames Nicholson and Witter) I have found the family of Thomas Chrystie and that of his children and grandchildren from 1850 and forward. However, I have not been able to determine his parents and exactly how he relates to my Nicholson family (from his age could he be a son of James Chrystie and Jehoiadden Nicholson above?) 3. JAMES NICHOLSON CHRYSTIE (dates UNK) married MARY L. CHRYSTIE (b. abt 1843, daughter of Thomas above). Their children: James Chrystie; Edward K. Pennett Chrystie (d. 1875); Frances Nicholson Chrystie (not to be confused with Frances Nicholson Chrystie b. 1905, grand dau. of Thomas Chrystie above). All I have are two sources which state that Mary L. Chrystie married James Nicholson Chrystie (Yes, both with last names Chrystie) and list their children. Perhaps, they were cousins and children of two sons of James Chrystie and Jehoiadden Nicholson (other marriage of cousins occurred in this family). I have not been able to find this family in any census record (i.e., no James and Mary Chrystie of right age with any of these children). And, yes, I have tried every spelling variation of "Chrystie" that I can think of. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Bruce L. Nicholson Bruce L. Nicholson, Ph.D. Professor (Fall Semesters Only - Semi-retired) Department of Biochemistry, Microbiology.and Molecular Biology University of Maine Orono, Maine 04469 Email: brucen@maine.edu Home: Gold Canyon, Arizona Personal Web Page: www.geocities.com/brucelnicholson

Forget the word "they" in this whole thing. PETA won't stop doing something that is successful... More to the point, it's what we (the tax-paying public) are allowing them to do. Until more people get as upset as we are in our email, PETA will keep stirring-the-pot until/unless public response makes this adolescent foolishness unacceptable. Some of their actions are downright dangerous and lethal. But only when the politicos running for office notice that their constituents won't support wussiness on this issue. If your elected officials they think they'll lose an election because of it, it will make a difference. It starts at the local level. It's called "losing your freedom through the power of intimidation". Sometimes called, bullying". Hitler/Stalin used that a LOT in their early rise to power. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Kelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > Seems to me they need to generate credability before they can gain public > support. Oh well. > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Andrle" <cjandrle@verizon.net> > To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > > >> Perhaps not so silly if their objective is simply to generate publicity. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frederick Green" <fpgreen@adelphia.net> >> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:59 PM >> Subject: RE: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? >> >> >>> This whole story just wreaks of urban legend but I guess sometimes truth >>> is >>> stranger than fiction. PETA is much like the ACLU - They do some good >>> work >>> but then go and do something quite silly. >>> >>> Frederick Green >>> Colorado Springs, CO >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 15:26 >>> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? >>> >>> >>> Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've >>> signed >>> the petition and hope lots more will. >>> >>> Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or >>> stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so >>> many >>> towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is >>> just one example: named for Jan Peek. >>> >>> I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French >>> teacher, >>> now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves >>> language >>> and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how >>> well-meaning. >>> >>> If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might >>> want >>> to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County >>> Lists >>> I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean >>> >>> From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and >>> vocal activist for our history and genealogy) >>> Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! >>> >>> In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley >>> Heritage, >>> I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment >>> of >>> Animals (PETA) >>> >>> Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link >>> http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html >>> >>> This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its >>> name >>> - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their >>> ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. >>> >>> Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, >>> 2005 >>> >>> [excerpt] >>> If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the >>> striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? >>> >>> PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. >>> >>> The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first >>> made >>> nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now >>> wants >>> the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens >>> to >>> be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's >>> ''fish >>> empathy project.'' >>> - ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >>> Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >>> Have you seen the USGenWeb New York Page? >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ >>> >> >> >> >> ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >> Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ >> > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the USGenWeb New York Page? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ > >

This really brings back memories. In the late 70's I was working for a EA firm (one that designs and builds power stations.) We had a contract with the Power Authority of the State of New York to select a site for a new power station on the Hudson River, to supply power to New York City subway system. Under the existing state law, we had to select three sites, and conduct extensive environmental surveys at all three, and then the PASNY Board would choose the best one. WE AVOIDED FISH KILL, because we thought the name would turn people off. We did not even look there. Anyway, we choose Clementon, Adams, and Wappenger Falls, and spent millions dollars of PASNY (public) money on air quality studies, ecology studies, demographic studies, ground water studies, plant and fauna studies, etc. We looked at the garbage dump portion of Staten Island later, and spent millions of dollars there too. Net Result: no power plant was ever built because of the NIMBY attitude, and PASNY had to abandon the project. I thought this would be of interest, as it shows how we had to respect a place that had the work "kill" in its name. Carl Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Snow" <snowstar@earthlink.net> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've > signed the petition and hope lots more will. > > Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or > stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many > towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is > just one example: named for Jan Peek. > > I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French > teacher, now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who > loves language and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, > no matter how well-meaning. > > If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might > want to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County > Lists I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean > > From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and > vocal activist for our history and genealogy) > Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! > > In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley > Heritage, > I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of > Animals (PETA) > > Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link > http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html > > This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its > name - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up > their > ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. > > Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 > > [excerpt] > If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the > striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? > > PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. > > The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first > made > nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants > the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens > to > be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's > ''fish > empathy project.'' > - ------------------------------------------------------------- > Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. > Ginny > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ > >

Exactly. They got you all to do exactly what they wanted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Andrle" <cjandrle@verizon.net> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: Re: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > Perhaps not so silly if their objective is simply to generate publicity. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frederick Green" <fpgreen@adelphia.net> > To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: RE: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > > >> This whole story just wreaks of urban legend but I guess sometimes truth >> is >> stranger than fiction. PETA is much like the ACLU - They do some good >> work >> but then go and do something quite silly. >> >> Frederick Green >> Colorado Springs, CO >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 15:26 >> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? >> >> >> Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've >> signed >> the petition and hope lots more will. >> >> Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or >> stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many >> towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is >> just one example: named for Jan Peek. >> >> I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French >> teacher, >> now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves >> language >> and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how >> well-meaning. >> >> If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might >> want >> to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County >> Lists >> I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean >> >> From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and >> vocal activist for our history and genealogy) >> Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! >> >> In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley >> Heritage, >> I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of >> Animals (PETA) >> >> Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link >> http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html >> >> This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its >> name >> - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their >> ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. >> >> Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 >> >> [excerpt] >> If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the >> striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? >> >> PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. >> >> The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first >> made >> nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants >> the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens >> to >> be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's >> ''fish >> empathy project.'' >> - ------------------------------------------------------------- >> Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny >> >> >> >> ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >> Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ >> >> >> >> >> ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >> Have you seen the USGenWeb New York Page? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ >> > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ > > >

Perhaps not so silly if their objective is simply to generate publicity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Green" <fpgreen@adelphia.net> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: RE: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > This whole story just wreaks of urban legend but I guess sometimes truth > is > stranger than fiction. PETA is much like the ACLU - They do some good > work > but then go and do something quite silly. > > Frederick Green > Colorado Springs, CO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 15:26 > To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > > > Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've > signed > the petition and hope lots more will. > > Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or > stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many > towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is > just one example: named for Jan Peek. > > I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French > teacher, > now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves > language > and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how > well-meaning. > > If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might > want > to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County Lists > I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean > > From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and > vocal activist for our history and genealogy) > Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! > > In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley > Heritage, > I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of > Animals (PETA) > > Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link > http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html > > This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its > name > - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their > ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. > > Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 > > [excerpt] > If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the > striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? > > PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. > > The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first > made > nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants > the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens > to > be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's > ''fish > empathy project.'' > - ------------------------------------------------------------- > Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ > > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the USGenWeb New York Page? > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen S Cassidy" <maureen.s.cassidy@worldnet.att.net> To: "Frederick Green" <fpgreen@adelphia.net> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Re: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? It's not urban legend believe me. I live in Dutchess County and some of our residents are actually taking these nuts seriously. I find the whole "kill" bit totally ludicrous and have signed Ginny's petition. What annoys me the most is that there are so many worthy endeavors re animals that these PETA people could could put their minds and mouths to but instead attack something they know nothing about and don't care to learn. If I sound angry and disgusted that's because I am. .....and if someone wants to remind me that "PETA people" are entitled to their opinion might I remind them of the old saying that "their right to swing their fists ends at the tip of my nose". Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Green" <fpgreen@adelphia.net> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: RE: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? This whole story just wreaks of urban legend but I guess sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. PETA is much like the ACLU - They do some good work but then go and do something quite silly. Frederick Green Colorado Springs, CO -----Original Message----- From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 15:26 To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've signed the petition and hope lots more will. Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is just one example: named for Jan Peek. I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French teacher, now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves language and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how well-meaning. If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might want to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County Lists I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and vocal activist for our history and genealogy) Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley Heritage, I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its name - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 [excerpt] If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first made nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens to be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's ''fish empathy project.'' - ------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you seen the USGenWeb New York Page? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/

Seems to me they need to generate credability before they can gain public support. Oh well. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Andrle" <cjandrle@verizon.net> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > Perhaps not so silly if their objective is simply to generate publicity. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frederick Green" <fpgreen@adelphia.net> > To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: RE: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? > > >> This whole story just wreaks of urban legend but I guess sometimes truth >> is >> stranger than fiction. PETA is much like the ACLU - They do some good >> work >> but then go and do something quite silly. >> >> Frederick Green >> Colorado Springs, CO >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 15:26 >> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? >> >> >> Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've >> signed >> the petition and hope lots more will. >> >> Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or >> stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many >> towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is >> just one example: named for Jan Peek. >> >> I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French >> teacher, >> now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves >> language >> and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how >> well-meaning. >> >> If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might >> want >> to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County >> Lists >> I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean >> >> From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and >> vocal activist for our history and genealogy) >> Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! >> >> In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley >> Heritage, >> I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of >> Animals (PETA) >> >> Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link >> http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html >> >> This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its >> name >> - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their >> ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. >> >> Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 >> >> [excerpt] >> If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the >> striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? >> >> PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. >> >> The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first >> made >> nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants >> the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens >> to >> be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's >> ''fish >> empathy project.'' >> - ------------------------------------------------------------- >> Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny >> >> >> >> ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >> Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ >> >> >> >> >> ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >> Have you seen the USGenWeb New York Page? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ >> > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ >

This whole story just wreaks of urban legend but I guess sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. PETA is much like the ACLU - They do some good work but then go and do something quite silly. Frederick Green Colorado Springs, CO -----Original Message----- From: Jean Snow [mailto:snowstar@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 15:26 To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: PETA Changing NY State's Historical Names?? Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've signed the petition and hope lots more will. Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is just one example: named for Jan Peek. I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French teacher, now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves language and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how well-meaning. If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might want to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County Lists I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and vocal activist for our history and genealogy) Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley Heritage, I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its name - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 [excerpt] If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first made nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens to be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's ''fish empathy project.'' - ------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/

It seems to me that WWII info is an interest getting more attention recently. The NY Genealogical & Biographical Society has an 11 page article that seems to apply specifically to New York City yet the descriptions of the draft seem to apply nationwide. http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle &artid=107 The National Archives of the United States has a press release 6 June 2005 "Opening of Military Personnel Records and Archival Research Room. "St. Louis, MO . . . At 11 AM on Saturday, June 11, 2005, the National Archives National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis will formally open the records of Charles Lindbergh, President John F. Kennedy, General George S. Patton, Steve McQueen, Clark Gable, and Jackie Robinson, among others. Archivist of the United States Allen Weinstein will officiate at the ceremony. U.S. Congressman William Lacy Clay and other dignitaries will participate in the opening festivities. Working press is invited to attend. Doors will open for the media and invited guests at 9AM. The National Archives National Personnel Records Center is located 9700 Page Avenue, in suburban north St. Louis County. " For the first time, nearly 1.2 million official military personnel files of former US Navy and Marine Corps enlisted personnel who served between 1885 and 1939 will be open to the public. This first opening also includes 150 "persons of exceptional prominence", including former Presidents, famous military leaders, celebrities, entertainers and professional athletes who served in the military and have been deceased for at least 10 years. http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2005/nr05-73.html NARA also has online information of WWII casualty lists and selective service registration: "Selective Service System Registration Cards for Ohio Men born April 28, 1877 through February 16, 1897" This is a registration card filed in 1942. I don't know why these exist for Ohio or if they exist for any other state. Possibly they are the same item that is described in the NYGBS article. http://arcweb.archives.gov/arc/arch_results_detail.jsp?&pg=1&si=0&nh=100&st= b As always information on one subject leaves you with many more questions. The rootsweb message board for WWII has 12 subcategories. There are 2,141 messages in the general category. Try www.rootsweb.com select Message Boards, select browse all topics, select Military, select WWII Enjoy !! -----Original Message----- From: BJS4179@aol.com [mailto:BJS4179@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:29 PM To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: WWII info - re: NY residence I too would like to know where to get information on those who were required to register for WWII? If you know, would you please share the information. I tried the new military info and found nothing. Barb in San Diego ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt

Perhaps you've seen this already. It came on the Dutchess list. I've signed the petition and hope lots more will. Okay, so PETA doesn't know that "kill" is the Dutch word for creek or stream. They need to find out before raising a stench! There are so many towns and cities in NY state ending in 'kill." The City of Peekskill is just one example: named for Jan Peek. I'm a former long-time resident of NY, a former English and French teacher, now a columnist, published writer and teacher of writing who loves language and history and hates to see both abused by the ignorant, no matter how well-meaning. If you like the English language and its historical descent, you might want to sign this petition too. I'm going to forward it to the NY County Lists I subscribe to as well. Thanks. Jean From the Dutchess List July 30, 2005 (From Ginny Buechele, a staunch and vocal activist for our history and genealogy) Subject: Leave our Heritage Alone! In an effort to stand up for our Dutchess County and Hudson Valley Heritage, I have created an on-line Petition to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) Please Read and Sign the Petition if you agree! Here is the Link http://www.petitiononline.com/fishkill/petition.html This petition is in response to PETA's Call for Fishkill to change its name - Perhaps NOW and maybe another decade from now PETA will give up their ridiculous efforts in this regard and stick to the real issues. Poughkeepsie Journal Article Kill name, PETA asks Fishkill July 14, 2005 [excerpt] If Fishkill changes its name to a more animal-friendly moniker, will the striped bass swimming in the Hudson River have any idea? PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, seems to think so. The animal rights group based in Norfolk, Va., renewed its call, first made nearly a decade ago, for Fishkill to change its name. The group now wants the town and village to be known as fishinghurts.com, which just happens to be the Internet address for a PETA Web site dedicated to the group's ''fish empathy project.'' - ------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny says: "Bah Humbug" - Please Leave Our Heritage Alone!. Ginny

I too would like to know where to get information on those who were required to register for WWII? If you know, would you please share the information. I tried the new military info and found nothing. Barb in San Diego