According to the PBS American Experience, "Coney Island is the story of a tiny spit of land at the foot of Brooklyn that at the turn of the century became the most extravagant playground in the country." As is so often the case, the PBS American Experience website offers a detailed background look at its program on Coney Island, at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/coney/filmmore/index.html The site contains a complete transcript of the program, as originally narrated by David McCullough, as well as production credits, and related resources. Other links under "Special Features" include Postcards, a History of Roller Coasters, and Film Clips. A timeline, thumbnail photo gallery, links to related people and events, and a teachers' guide complete the site. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY

In today's (Monday, July 3) article, NEWSDAY reports that history buff, Gary Laube of Southold, purchased an 18th-century trunk at an estate sale in 1992 that had a textile balled up in the bottom of the trunk. This textile -- a dark beige wool flag, 31-by-33 inches, with a green-fabric pine tree, the symbol for New England in colonial times, and a red cotton cross of St. George, the symbol for England, in the upper left corner -- has proved to be the oldest-known relatively intact flag made in America, probably dating to the mid-1700s, and to the French and Indian War.. Further research revelaed that the flag was probably the property of Jacob Woodward of Southold, who was commissioned as an ensign in 1755 of the 6th Company of the Fifth Regiment in Connecticut. To read the complete article,"HIS Banner Find: Pre-Revolutionary War flag is the real deal, experts say", please go to (you'll probbaly need to manually copy and paste the entire URL into your browser to access the article): http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-liflag044805400jul03,0, 2721617.story?coll=ny-linews-print It is important to know that there are 3 "Southolds" (from smallest to largest, in order of acreage): 1. There is the Hamlet of Southold; 2. There is the Southold, NY 11971 postal zone, and it includes the Hamlet of Southold and parts of other surrounding hamlets within its service area; and, 3. There is the Town of Southold, and it includes one village and 10 hamlets as well as the Southold, NY 11971 postal zone and other postal zones, within its borders. The pertinent geography: Southold is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the center of the Town of Southold, in the northeast part of Suffolk County. There are 1 village (municipal corporation) and 10 hamlets (unincorporated areas) in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlet of Greenport West; on the south by the Little Peconic Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Peconic. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 32 villages and 125 hamlets), the Hamlet of Southold has a different border than does the "Southold, NY 11971" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Southold mailing address and not be in Southold and a place can have other than a Southold mailing address and be in Southold). Those places that have a "Southold, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Southold are in the Hamlet of West Greenport; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Southold with a "Peconic, NY 11958" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2005 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 30 (map) and 31 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

In an article in today's (Friday, June 30), New York Sun, "On an otherwise nondescript anchorage of the Brooklyn Bridge, a small brass plaque pays tribute to another era. As cars and trucks whiz by, observant passersby may notice the tarnished marker placed on the bridge more than a century ago to commemorate the site of George Washington's first presidential mansion." The Sun continues, "Although that portion of Cherry Street no longer remains and the area bears little resemblance to the "uptown" neighborhood once populated by Revolutionary statesmen, the mansion was rented by Congress for Washington's use, according to New-York Historical Society papers. He lived there between April 1789 and February 1790, before moving to 39 Broadway." For the complete article, "A Piece of History Stands Hidden on Brooklyn Bridge", please go to: http://www.nysun.com/article/35329 I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY

In addition to the Troy Irish Genealogy Society mailing list, this message is also being sent to the following genealogy mailing lists: MAILING LIST COVERS Rensselaer County List - Research in Rensselaer County. Albany County List - Research in Albany County. Schenectady County List - Research in Schenectady County. Saratoga County List - Research in Saratoga County. Genealogy NYS List - Research in New York State. NY-Hudson River List - Research in counties bordering Hudson River; (Rockland, Orange, Ulster, Greene, Albany, Rensselaer, Columbia, Dutchess, Putnam Westchester) & Schenectady County. NY-Mohawk Valley List - Research in Mohawk Valley Region of NYS, covers Albany, Fulton, Herkimer, Madison, Montgomery, Oneida, Otsego, Schenectady & Schoharie Counties. NY-WarWashSar List - Research in Warren, Washington and Saratoga Counties. NY-RollCall List - Research on New York State kin. New York List - Research in New York State where the County is unknown. Irish-NY-Troy List - Research of Irish Ancestry in City of Troy, Rensselaer County, New York. NY-Irish List - Research on Irish immigrants who landed, lived in or passed through New York State. Columbia County List - Research in Columbia County The following historical articles that may be of interest to Troy Area researchers, have just been added to the LOCAL HISTORY section on the (TIGS) Troy Irish Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Introduction of Sewing Machines The Troy Hospital Rensselaer County Soldiers And Sailors' Monument Introduction of Illuminating Gas Other Articles that may be of interest, that are on the LOCAL HISTORY section of the website are: Avalanche of Clay - 1837 Beer Breweries Bell Foundries Carriage Manufacturing Dave's Grill, South Troy Emly, County Tipperary Connections Frear's Cash Bazaar The Great Fire of 1862 Researching Green Island History of Green Island, A Partial Timeline History of Oakwood Cemetery Life In The Alleyways of Troy One Block on Burden Avenue, South Troy St. Joseph's Parish St. Joseph's School St. Patrick's Day Riot - 1837 Troy's Collar & Cuff Workers Stove Manufacturing Troy's Iron Workers (NOTE: The article on Stove Manufacturing has triggered a number of inquiries from across the United States and Canada from individuals who find themselves in possession of one of Troy's famous stoves, such as a Fuller and Warren.) If you haven't visited the TIGS website lately, take a look at these LOCAL HISTORY articles. You may also want to explore the PROJECTS section where you can search over 31,000 Irish AND Non-Irish names in the 10 completed transcription projects. Of particular interest, is the recently added 10,000 name Rensselaer County Marriage Index. A great feature of this new Marriage Index is the capability of PRINTING YOUR OWN FORM to request copies of the marriage documents from the Rensselaer County Clerk's Office for a $5.00 fee. Also, don't forget to look at the SURNAME section which has over 300 names listed. Click on a name you are interested in and you can make a connection with someone who is also researching that surname. Regards, Bill McGrath TIGS Project Coordinator Clifton Park, NY

Hello, I am asking this question on behalf of a friend who has a birth to find in New York c1862 ... can anyone help me locate where or how to go about tracing a birth certificate. The name of the man concerned is Robert Howland MORRIS, born New York USA British Subject. 1881 Census, he is with his mother Mary E Brown living in Manhattan, New York although Robert is away at sea. I cannot get access to any other censuses in USA. Can anyone offer some advice or information please on where we could go next to find this birth. Thank you Wendy

I never met an illegitmate child, but know illegitmate parents who would conceal rightful knowledge from their offspring. All children have a right to know any medical information that might affect their lives or the lives of their children.The reasons for giving up a child for adoption are many but shame never lies with a child.It is time for society to grow up and face reality.

On 6/27/06 (11:33:52 AM MDT), as part of a posting to GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com, Diane (pandreasen@stny.rr.com) asked for information about people in Mattituck-Aquebogue Parishes, Suffolk, NY, late 1600s/early 1700s. Mattituck and Aquebogue are hamlets (unincorporated areas) in the Town of Southold and the Town of Riverhead, respectively. The Town of Riverhead seceded from the Town of Southold on March 13, 1772. (The Town of Shelter Island, too, had once been part of the Town of Southold and it seceded in the 1720s.) For questions such as yours, you may want to contact the Mattituck-Laurel Library and the Riverhead Free Library the library can suggest which local newspaper might have this information and other possible sources of information): Mattituck-Laurel Library P.O. Box 1437 Mattituck NY 11952 Tel: 631/298-4134 Fax: 631/298-4764 eMail a Reference Question: http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/matt/askref.htm http://www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/libraries/matt/ Riverhead Free Library 330 Court Street Riverhead, NY 11901 Tel: 631/727-3228 Fax: 631/727-4762 eMail: rflref@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://river.suffolk.lib.ny.us/ The pertinent current geography for Mattituck: Mattituck is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the west part of the Town of Southold, along the Southold/Riverhead town line, in the northeast part of Suffolk County. There are 1 village (municipal corporation) and 10 hamlets (unincorporated areas) in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Mattituck in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north by the Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlets of Peconic and Cutchogue; on the south by the Peconic Bay and the Hamlet of Laurel; and, on the west by Hamlet of Northville in the Town of Riverhead (the Southold/Riverhead own line). And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 32 villages and 125 hamlets), the Hamlet of Mattituck has a different border than does the "Mattituck, NY 11952" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Mattituck mailing address and not be in Mattituck and a place can have other than a Mattituck mailing address and be in Mattituck). Those places that have a "Mattituck, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Mattituck are in the Hamlet of Laurel and in the Hamlet of Cutchogue; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Mattituck with a "Riverhead, NY 11901" and a "Cutchogue, NY 11935" mailing address. The pertinent current geography for Aquebogue: Together with the Hamlet of Jamesport and Laurel and once part of the no-longer Hamlet of Franklinville, Aquebogue is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the southeast part of the Town of Riverhead, in the northeast part of Suffolk County. There are no villages (municipal corporations) and 7 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Riverhead (Riverhead is the only town in either Suffolk or Nassau County without any villages within its borders). There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Aquebogue in the Town of Riverhead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet Northville; on the east by the Hamlet of Jamesport; on the south by the Great Peconic Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Riverhead. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 32 villages and 125 hamlets), the hamlet and the postal zone that use the same name, have different borders. There are places with a "Aquebogue, NY 11931" mailing address that are not in Aquebogue and these places appear to be in the Hamlet of Riverhead. For those who have their copy of the 2005 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Mattituck in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 30 (map) and 31 (population estimate) and you'll find the Hamlet of Aquebogue in the Town of Riverhead, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 26 (map) and 27 (population estimate).. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Has anyone run across or know of the HOELL family from Southold/Mattituck-Aquebogue in late 1600s/early 1700s?? I have checked many of the HOWELL families and found many Chas., but none that fit my Chas. time frame and locations. I am looking for the family of Charles HOLE/HOEL/HOWELL b c 1700 NY? marr. Sarah SMITH. Chas. was a schoolmaster and was executor of a will in 1727 for: 'I, HANNAH KNOWLING, of Shelter Island, make Charles Hole, of Southold, and my daughter, Mary Merrow, executors.' By 1732 Chas. was in Elizabeth Town, Essex Co., NJ where he witnessed many wills. He died there in 1749. I have found the following HOELLs but cannot find any further info on them: Recompense HOELL marr. Martha. Had dau. Bethiah HOELL 06 November 1774 - Bap. Date - Mattituck-Aquebogue Parishes, Suffolk, NY. David HOELL 26 October 1755 -Bap. Date - Mattituck-Aquebogue Parishes, Suffolk, NY, son of James HOELL ('of Southold') and Mary. Any help appreciated - Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/

You might try the city directories list at rootsweb. Someone might own the directory that you need, or have access to online directories (if that approxiamte year has been uploaded, by say, ancestry.com or another pay service) Some directories have a reverse directory at the rear, which lists streets alphabetically. ~Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martinez-Gibson, Elizabeth A." <MartinezE@cofc.edu> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: RE: NYS Vital Records Index > Does anyone know of a way to find a name of someone through their address? > I found my grandfather's WWI draft registration card and his mother 's > name is listed on it, but it is hard to read.The address is very clear and > I thought if I could look up the address, I might be able to find the > name. She had remarried and this is the first I have seen this name in my > genealogy. The time period is 1917-1918 and the area is the Bronx. > > Thanks for your help. > > Liz > ________________________________ > > From: Bob Coomber [mailto:coomber@usadatanet.net] > Sent: Tue 6/27/2006 7:49 AM > To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: NYS Vital Records Index > > > > On all of the State Indexes, Birth, Marriage and Death the date, place, > name of principle and state certificate number. no parents names provided > > The county certificate number is not the same as the state > For Marriage the bride and groom are each listed separately under their > own > name. > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ > > > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt >

I have been totally stumped by a great aunt who married [and might have/or not divorced] in NYC.. They married between 1890 and 1915. Lived in Brooklyn...he owned a bar...she left about 1926-30 and returned to Maine. He died in NYC Margaret Folan b Ireland Joseph Flynn Is it possible to find information this elusive in NY records? david ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Coomber" <coomber@usadatanet.net> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: Re: NYS Vital Records Index > On all of the State Indexes, Birth, Marriage and Death the date, place, > name of principle and state certificate number. no parents names provided > > The county certificate number is not the same as the state > For Marriage the bride and groom are each listed separately under their own > name. > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ > >

On 6/27/06 (7:28:32 AM MDT), in a posting to GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com, Liz (MartinezE@cofc.edu) asked, "Does anyone know of a way to find a name of someone through their address? I found my grandfather's WWI draft registration card and his mother 's name is listed on it, but it is hard to read.The address is very clear and I thought if I could look up the address, I might be able to find the name. She had remarried and this is the first I have seen this name in my genealogy. The time period is 1917-1918 and the area is the Bronx." The Bronx Historical Society might be of some help: The Bronx County Historical Society 3309 Bainbridge Avenue New York (Bronx P.O.), NY 10467 Tel: 718/881-8900 eMail: ????? http://www.bronxhistoricalsociety.org/index86.html I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY

Does anyone know of a way to find a name of someone through their address? I found my grandfather's WWI draft registration card and his mother 's name is listed on it, but it is hard to read.The address is very clear and I thought if I could look up the address, I might be able to find the name. She had remarried and this is the first I have seen this name in my genealogy. The time period is 1917-1918 and the area is the Bronx. Thanks for your help. Liz ________________________________ From: Bob Coomber [mailto:coomber@usadatanet.net] Sent: Tue 6/27/2006 7:49 AM To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: NYS Vital Records Index On all of the State Indexes, Birth, Marriage and Death the date, place, name of principle and state certificate number. no parents names provided The county certificate number is not the same as the state For Marriage the bride and groom are each listed separately under their own name. ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/

On all of the State Indexes, Birth, Marriage and Death the date, place, name of principle and state certificate number. no parents names provided The county certificate number is not the same as the state For Marriage the bride and groom are each listed separately under their own name.

You know, I've tried this listing on several occasions, and I guess I don't know how to use it because it seems to come up with but one record, and any linked messages comes up "this message cannot be displayed." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Coomber" <coomber@usadatanet.net> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: Re: NYS Vital Records Index > On all of the State Indexes, Birth, Marriage and Death the date, place, > name of principle and state certificate number. no parents names provided > > The county certificate number is not the same as the state > For Marriage the bride and groom are each listed separately under their > own name. > > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you seen the GEN-NYS-L mailing list archives? > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GEN-NYS-L/ > >

With respect to the available NYS Vital Records Indexes, how much information is provided by each of the indexes? For example, does the death index provide the person's name, date of death, age, county/city of death and certificate number? Does the birth index provide name, date, parent's name, etc.? Does the marriage index contain just the spouses' name and date, etc.? Bottom line, how much is information is provided by each index to help identify the person you seek? Thanks for any info. - Tom Weingart

Descendants of Francis DeRusha 1 Francis DeRusha b: 1810 in Lower Canada d: 21 Aug 1856 in Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada .. +Mary Martha Faulkner b: 04 May 1812 in Wyberton, England d: 21 Apr 1894 in Uxbridge Twp. Ontario, Canada m: ABT 1830 in Lower Canada Burial: Uxbridge, Ontario, Ontario Father: James Faulkner Mother: Catherine Laur . 2 Mary Martha DeRusha b: 13 Jul 1831 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada d: 11 Jan 1909 in Pickering, Ontario, Canada Burial: Uxbridge Cemetery, Ont. Canada ..... +[2] James Dolphin b: 1814 in England d: 16 Dec 1886 in Pickering , Ontario, Canada m: 02 Nov 1852 in Whitby, On tario, Canada Burial: Uxbridge Cemetery, Ont. Canada . 2 Jemima DeRusha b: 13 Feb 1834 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada ..... +George Webb m: 22 Dec 1850 in Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada . 2 [1] Elizabeth DeRusha b: 29 Feb 1836 in Webb, Uxbridge Twp., Ontario, Canada d: 15 Feb 1911 in Uxbridge, Twp., Ontario, Canada Burial: 18 Feb 1911 Uxbridge Cemetery, Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada ..... +Robert Gourlie b: 12 Mar 1829 in Earlston, Berwickshire, Scotland d: 29 Jul 1869 in 4th Concession Pickering, Ubridge Twp., Ontario., Canada m: 23 Jun 1852 in Goodwood, Ontario, Canada Father: William Gourlie Mother: Isabella Henderson . *2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth DeRusha: ..... +William Poyner b: 02 Sep 1834 in Achabogarea, Monaghan, Ireland d: 23 Oct 1904 in Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada m: 25 Dec 1876 in Pickering, Ontario, Canada Father: James Poyner Mother: Mary Ann . *3rd Husband of [1] Elizabeth DeRusha: ..... +Richard Poyner b: 1856 in Achabogarea, Monaghan, Ireland d: 09 Sep 1911 in Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada m: 17 Jan 1906 in Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada Father: James Poyner Mother: Martha McCracken . 2 Mary Martha DeRusha b: 1837 in England d: 11 Jan 1909 in Pickering, Ontario, Canada ..... +[2] James Dolphin b: 1814 in England d: 16 Dec 1886 in Pickering , Ontario, Canada m: 03 Nov 1852 in Pickering Twp., Ontario, Canada Burial: Uxbridge Cemetery, Ont. Canada . 2 Susannah DeRusha b: 31 Aug 1840 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada d: 10 Jun 1884 in Pickering, Ontario, Canada Burial: Whitevale Cemetery, Pickering Twp, Ontario., Co., Canada ..... +John White b: 21 Jun 1835 in Canada d: 07 Jul 1916 in Pickering, Ontario, Canada m: 07 Sep 1862 Burial: Whitevale Cemetery, Pickering Twp., On., Co. Canada . 2 Edward DeRusha b: 01 Jun 1841 ..... +Jane Lyon m: 09 Jan 1865 in Ontario, Canada . 2 Sarah Ann DeRusha b: 21 Apr 1842 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada d: 29 Nov 1870 . 2 Charles DeRusha b: 15 Oct 1846 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada ..... +Frances Johnson m: 25 Dec 1868 in Uxbridge, Ontario, Canada . 2 Ellen Jane DeRusha b: 03 Feb 1850 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada d: 19 Jan 1901 Burial: Presbyterian Cemetery Maxwell, Ontario ..... +James Blakely . 2 Abram D. DeRusha b: 21 Feb 1853 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada d: 15 Nov 1869 in Ontario County, Canada . 2 Francis Derusha b: 17 Nov 1857 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada d: 28 Jan 1936 ..... +Mary" Mattie" Gourlie . 2 Elinor DeRusha b: 06 Oct 1848 in Uxbridge Township, Ontario, Canada d: 11 Sep 1950

Orlando S GARDNER b 1807 Vermont moved to Monroe County with parents (unknown). married first Emily W. MORSE of Cazenovia, NY in 1839 married second Harriet McBAIN of the town of Clarkson Occupations: laborer during building of Erie Canal laborer in warehouses that later served the Erie Canal farmer- Lot 8 Town of Sweden built sometime after 1834 a grimsby sandstone house referred to as "tasty" in his obituary. one known child: Addison W GARDNER who live on property purchased by his father on the west side of the village in Brockport around 1854. Looking for parent information and any other personal information on Orlando. Rick Porter

Can anyone supply an address for this church or anyone who would have records from it for about 1947? I have a friend b. in 1947 whose name was misspelled on her birth certificate, and she needs some kind of other records in order to get it changed. She said she was baptized in the "Baptist church in Greene." TIA Jean Snow

Betty, Thanks you, I found this very interesting. Ed, from good old Troy, N.Y -----Original Message----- From: Betty [mailto:bbffrrpp@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:28 AM To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: First Hospital in this area ! Hello, A few months ago I became curious about when the first Hospital was started in the U.S., and about a month ago I went through the on-line catalog of my Library and found several books on the subject. I need to return them, so I thought I would post information on the books before I do ! It seems the book which comes most highly recommended is: "The Care of Strangers, The Rise of America's Hospital System" by Charles E. Rosenberg. It was published in 1987, and is based on years of research. One "review" on the back cover says: "At a moment when the credibility of the American hospital system is in question, Professor Rosenberg's book throws an intelligent and scholarly light on the development of medical services in the United States. ....." Part I is entitled "A Traditional Institution, 1800-1850." The first chapter starts out: "In October of 1810, Ezra Stiles Ely, a newly ordained Presbyterian minister, began to preach in New York City's almshouse hospital. Few other emissaries from New York's church-going and servant-employing classes had ever set foot in its bleak corridors. Yet, each year a thousand new patients were admitted to the hospital, Ely explained in his diary, and two hundred died without religious consolation. The very existence of the almshouse and its poverty-stricken inhabitants dramatized the insecurity of life for most New Yorkers. It underlined as well the enormous gap that separated social classes in this still deferential early nineteenth-century city. The young hospital chaplain entered the almshouse with much the same bravado and anxiety as if he had been undertaking a ministry in Burma or the Gold Coast. Although it was in fact the largest hospital in a thriving port city, ..... the internal logic of the almshouse allied it more closely to the hospice of the Middle Ages than to the twentieth-century hospital. It housed the insane, the blind and crippled, the aged, the alcoholic and syphilitic, as well as the ordinary working man suffering with an extended siege of rheumatism, bronchitis, or pleurisy. Few who entered the almshouse did so voluntarily; it was a last resort for the city's most helpless and deprived." A few pages later, .. "In 1800, America's population was 5,308, 483. Only 322,000 lived in communities larger than twenty-five hundred. A person who felt sick was ordinarily treated by a neighbor or relative. If the illness persisted, he or she would consult a physician, whose credentials were usually limited to apprenticeship with a local practitioner, but who normally knew his patients personally and treated them in their homes. Most Americans in 1800 had probably heard that such things as hospitals existed, but only a minority would have ever had occasion to see one. Philadelphia's Pennsylvania Hospital had been founded in 1752; New York Hospital, although organized in 1771, did not receive patients until the 1790's; and Boston's Massachusetts General Hospital did not open until 1821. If few Americans had encountered one of these institutions - or visited the hospital wards of an almshouse -- fewer still would have been treated in one. Most hospital patients were urban workers or seamen; only occasionally did the member of the prosperous and respectable family find his or her way into a hospital bed. ....... The hospital was little more than an embryo in the era of Adams and Jefferson. And though hospitals increased in scale and numbers with the growth of America's urban population, they remained and were to remain insignificant in the provision of medical care in antebellum America ..........." I hope these excerpts from this book offer an incentive to research the beginnings of official hospitals in the U.S. (noting that only one was accepting patients before the Revolutionary War). I became curious when I read a posting on the Nova Scotia List a few months ago. The researcher mentioned a web site which told of the beginnings of hospitals in Nova Scotia. And, from memory, I think it said that the early hospitals in Canada has an unpleasant story, also ! The above is a large book. I also borrowed 2 very small books: ""Every Man Our Neighbor, A Brief History of the Massachusetts General Hospital, 1811-1961" by Joseph E. Garland. The first chapter starts out: "A City Without a Hospital" A hundred and sixty years ago, when the Republic was yet an infant and Boston had but 25,000 inhabitants, the hardiness of the pioneer and a measure of luck were the best insurance of a long life. The average citizen counted himself fortunate if he could avoid the services of the doctor, whose treatment was likely to be worse than the disease. There was no hospital in New England for the general public, and this was just as well, for hospitals in those days were one step removed from the graveyard. Most people, when they fell sick, took to their beds and home remedies. If these failed, and a doctor was called, he would solemnly prescribe the therapy of the day -- bleeding, purging and puking -- an abomination that as a rule succeeded in sabotaging whatever defenses against disease the patient had left. In 1800 there were only two general hospitals in the young nation, the Pennsylvania Hospital, which Benjamin Franklin helped to found .... and the New York Hospital ... ... Otherwise, 'hospitals" were points of last resort and no return, expedient facilities for the herding-together of smallpox victims during the periodic epidemics that swept the colonies, or assembly areas for what little treatment and solace could be given the sick and wounded Revolutionary soldiers. A marine hospital was to be established in Charlestown in 1804, but it was open only to sailors." "The Invention of the Modern Hospital, Boston, 1870-1930" by Morris J. Vogel. The Introduction starts out: "The general hospital of the immediate post-Civil War period was larger than its colonial and early-nineteenth-century predecessor, but differed litle in other respects. .. ... Most Americans who sought the care of a doctor did not consider hospitalization. Physicians kept track of their seriously ill patients with frequent home visits, and surgeons might perform even the most difficult operations on kitchen tables or ironing boards stretched between tables. ...." And, this reminds me of an older lady I befriended around 1990. She was in her late 80's and was a "hunch-back" due to severe back problems, and, yet, she was still a "door to door saleslady" of the "Children's BIBLE" which her church sold ! I bumped into her in the lobby of a doctors' office building on an icy, winter day and helped her to her car. (Yes, she was still driving - and hardly able to see over the steering wheel.) During one visit, Mrs. NEWELL told me that, when she was a young girl (maybe 8), she had bad pains in her abdomen, and they believed she had Appendicitis. They lived in Billerica Center, and it would have been around 1900-1910. As it turned out, that night another boy the same age also had Appendicitis. The doctor had to decide which child he was going to visit first. Because Althea was closer, he went over to her home, and performed the surgery on the kitchen table. He then went to the boy's home, but he had already died ! Enjoy your weekend ! Betty (near Lowell, MA) ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html

Hello, A few months ago I became curious about when the first Hospital was started in the U.S., and about a month ago I went through the on-line catalog of my Library and found several books on the subject. I need to return them, so I thought I would post information on the books before I do ! It seems the book which comes most highly recommended is: "The Care of Strangers, The Rise of America's Hospital System" by Charles E. Rosenberg. It was published in 1987, and is based on years of research. One "review" on the back cover says: "At a moment when the credibility of the American hospital system is in question, Professor Rosenberg's book throws an intelligent and scholarly light on the development of medical services in the United States. ....." Part I is entitled "A Traditional Institution, 1800-1850." The first chapter starts out: "In October of 1810, Ezra Stiles Ely, a newly ordained Presbyterian minister, began to preach in New York City's almshouse hospital. Few other emissaries from New York's church-going and servant-employing classes had ever set foot in its bleak corridors. Yet, each year a thousand new patients were admitted to the hospital, Ely explained in his diary, and two hundred died without religious consolation. The very existence of the almshouse and its poverty-stricken inhabitants dramatized the insecurity of life for most New Yorkers. It underlined as well the enormous gap that separated social classes in this still deferential early nineteenth-century city. The young hospital chaplain entered the almshouse with much the same bravado and anxiety as if he had been undertaking a ministry in Burma or the Gold Coast. Although it was in fact the largest hospital in a thriving port city, ..... the internal logic of the almshouse allied it more closely to the hospice of the Middle Ages than to the twentieth-century hospital. It housed the insane, the blind and crippled, the aged, the alcoholic and syphilitic, as well as the ordinary working man suffering with an extended siege of rheumatism, bronchitis, or pleurisy. Few who entered the almshouse did so voluntarily; it was a last resort for the city's most helpless and deprived." A few pages later, .. "In 1800, America's population was 5,308, 483. Only 322,000 lived in communities larger than twenty-five hundred. A person who felt sick was ordinarily treated by a neighbor or relative. If the illness persisted, he or she would consult a physician, whose credentials were usually limited to apprenticeship with a local practitioner, but who normally knew his patients personally and treated them in their homes. Most Americans in 1800 had probably heard that such things as hospitals existed, but only a minority would have ever had occasion to see one. Philadelphia's Pennsylvania Hospital had been founded in 1752; New York Hospital, although organized in 1771, did not receive patients until the 1790's; and Boston's Massachusetts General Hospital did not open until 1821. If few Americans had encountered one of these institutions - or visited the hospital wards of an almshouse -- fewer still would have been treated in one. Most hospital patients were urban workers or seamen; only occasionally did the member of the prosperous and respectable family find his or her way into a hospital bed. ....... The hospital was little more than an embryo in the era of Adams and Jefferson. And though hospitals increased in scale and numbers with the growth of America's urban population, they remained and were to remain insignificant in the provision of medical care in antebellum America ..........." I hope these excerpts from this book offer an incentive to research the beginnings of official hospitals in the U.S. (noting that only one was accepting patients before the Revolutionary War). I became curious when I read a posting on the Nova Scotia List a few months ago. The researcher mentioned a web site which told of the beginnings of hospitals in Nova Scotia. And, from memory, I think it said that the early hospitals in Canada has an unpleasant story, also ! The above is a large book. I also borrowed 2 very small books: ""Every Man Our Neighbor, A Brief History of the Massachusetts General Hospital, 1811-1961" by Joseph E. Garland. The first chapter starts out: "A City Without a Hospital" A hundred and sixty years ago, when the Republic was yet an infant and Boston had but 25,000 inhabitants, the hardiness of the pioneer and a measure of luck were the best insurance of a long life. The average citizen counted himself fortunate if he could avoid the services of the doctor, whose treatment was likely to be worse than the disease. There was no hospital in New England for the general public, and this was just as well, for hospitals in those days were one step removed from the graveyard. Most people, when they fell sick, took to their beds and home remedies. If these failed, and a doctor was called, he would solemnly prescribe the therapy of the day -- bleeding, purging and puking -- an abomination that as a rule succeeded in sabotaging whatever defenses against disease the patient had left. In 1800 there were only two general hospitals in the young nation, the Pennsylvania Hospital, which Benjamin Franklin helped to found .... and the New York Hospital ... ... Otherwise, 'hospitals" were points of last resort and no return, expedient facilities for the herding-together of smallpox victims during the periodic epidemics that swept the colonies, or assembly areas for what little treatment and solace could be given the sick and wounded Revolutionary soldiers. A marine hospital was to be established in Charlestown in 1804, but it was open only to sailors." "The Invention of the Modern Hospital, Boston, 1870-1930" by Morris J. Vogel. The Introduction starts out: "The general hospital of the immediate post-Civil War period was larger than its colonial and early-nineteenth-century predecessor, but differed litle in other respects. .. ... Most Americans who sought the care of a doctor did not consider hospitalization. Physicians kept track of their seriously ill patients with frequent home visits, and surgeons might perform even the most difficult operations on kitchen tables or ironing boards stretched between tables. ...." And, this reminds me of an older lady I befriended around 1990. She was in her late 80's and was a "hunch-back" due to severe back problems, and, yet, she was still a "door to door saleslady" of the "Children's BIBLE" which her church sold ! I bumped into her in the lobby of a doctors' office building on an icy, winter day and helped her to her car. (Yes, she was still driving - and hardly able to see over the steering wheel.) During one visit, Mrs. NEWELL told me that, when she was a young girl (maybe 8), she had bad pains in her abdomen, and they believed she had Appendicitis. They lived in Billerica Center, and it would have been around 1900-1910. As it turned out, that night another boy the same age also had Appendicitis. The doctor had to decide which child he was going to visit first. Because Althea was closer, he went over to her home, and performed the surgery on the kitchen table. He then went to the boy's home, but he had already died ! Enjoy your weekend ! Betty (near Lowell, MA)