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I am searching the sir name DeShane not Deshane. The were from Leroy, Syracuse and New York, New York City.

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Denison/Dennison Herrick is said to have been born 17 March 1839 in Steuben Co., NY to Frank Denison/Dennison Herrick and Delilah (Bagley) Herrick, who are said to have married in March 1838. I have no dates for Frank Dennison Herrick and have not been able to find him in any censuses. Delilah Herrick appears with Dennis Herrick in the 1860 and 1870 censuses. Where is the family in 1840 and 1850? I think Delilah and Dennison might be with Frank's parents in 1840 as there is a male under 10 and a female between 20 and 30. Frank's parents are Denison and Lucy (Sweet) Herrick. Did Frank die about the time Dennison was born? Thanks for any help you can give me. Joann Nichols

The complete history of the First Ward Cemetery in Syracuse can be found at. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/INDEX.HTM

Thanks for this! This must the be cemetery I had mentioned!!! I never knew the name of it! Thanks for the story and sharing it. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: <cartwheel1@juno.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] cemeteries removed or made over > History of First Ward Cemetery. > Syracuse "Journal" Saturday, September 10, 1938. > > Head Stones in Old Cemetery > Tipped Over After Boy's Death, > City Would Develop It as Park > Four-year-old Francis M. Thomas, son of Mr. and Mrs. Terry L. Thomas of > 827 Lemoyne > ave., was killed last Friday when a monument fell upon him in old First > Ward cemetery, and his > funeral was held Sunday. During the night of the day following his > funeral, persons went into the > cemetery and toppled nearly all of the remaining stones that could be > tipped over, supposedly to > prevent other boys being hurt or killed. > No one knows who did it except those who toppled the stones, so far as > can be found out, but > little effort is being made to determine who the persons were. It has > been put down as the work > of boys, but there is a suspicion it was not boys' work. > The cemetery is bounded by Grant blvd., Lemoyne ave., Bear st. and Second > North st. It was > the burying ground of the early settlers of the village of Salina of all > religious denominations, and > in it are the graves of soldiers of the revolution. > WORK DISCONTINUED > In 1925 work of removing the stones was begun, but there was such a > protest from > descendants of the Salina pioneers that the stones were replaced. Without > a fence around it, the > cemetery became a playground for boys of the neighborhood, and stones > kept toppling, while > now and then a boy was hurt. > Sentiment seems to have become settled after the death of the Thomas boy > there last Friday, > and it would appear that persons went into the cemetery Monday night, > systematically tipping > over all stones that might have endangered other boys. On Tuesday morning > between 30 and 40 > stones were scattered on the grass. > Then William A. Barry, commissioner of parks and as such caretaker of the > old cemetery, put > men at work restoring order, but not replacing stones. > Tops of remaining monuments which might have toppled were taken down and > placed on the > graves at the bases of the monuments. Those which had been topped over > Monday night were > placed on graves in the same way. The work still is going on. > BURY THE STONES > "What we would like to do," said Commissioner Barry yesterday, "is to > bury all stones in the > graves and then beautify the whole cemetery, at the same time landscaping > it to prevent games > being played in it. This could be done by planting trees and shrubs, > making flower beds and > placing walks thru it." > It may depend upon the sentiment of those whose ancestors are buried > there. The 1925 plan > called for placing all stones in a group in the center of the cemetery, > covering them with earth to > create a mound and have flowers on that, at the same time placing a > monument there with a > bronze tablet giving the names of all persons known to be buried there. A > fairly complete record > made by Rev. Dr. William M. Beauchamp, is in the public library. > Thursday Sept. 15, 1938 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

History of First Ward Cemetery. Syracuse "Journal" Saturday, September 10, 1938. Head Stones in Old Cemetery Tipped Over After Boy's Death, City Would Develop It as Park Four-year-old Francis M. Thomas, son of Mr. and Mrs. Terry L. Thomas of 827 Lemoyne ave., was killed last Friday when a monument fell upon him in old First Ward cemetery, and his funeral was held Sunday. During the night of the day following his funeral, persons went into the cemetery and toppled nearly all of the remaining stones that could be tipped over, supposedly to prevent other boys being hurt or killed. No one knows who did it except those who toppled the stones, so far as can be found out, but little effort is being made to determine who the persons were. It has been put down as the work of boys, but there is a suspicion it was not boys' work. The cemetery is bounded by Grant blvd., Lemoyne ave., Bear st. and Second North st. It was the burying ground of the early settlers of the village of Salina of all religious denominations, and in it are the graves of soldiers of the revolution. WORK DISCONTINUED In 1925 work of removing the stones was begun, but there was such a protest from descendants of the Salina pioneers that the stones were replaced. Without a fence around it, the cemetery became a playground for boys of the neighborhood, and stones kept toppling, while now and then a boy was hurt. Sentiment seems to have become settled after the death of the Thomas boy there last Friday, and it would appear that persons went into the cemetery Monday night, systematically tipping over all stones that might have endangered other boys. On Tuesday morning between 30 and 40 stones were scattered on the grass. Then William A. Barry, commissioner of parks and as such caretaker of the old cemetery, put men at work restoring order, but not replacing stones. Tops of remaining monuments which might have toppled were taken down and placed on the graves at the bases of the monuments. Those which had been topped over Monday night were placed on graves in the same way. The work still is going on. BURY THE STONES "What we would like to do," said Commissioner Barry yesterday, "is to bury all stones in the graves and then beautify the whole cemetery, at the same time landscaping it to prevent games being played in it. This could be done by planting trees and shrubs, making flower beds and placing walks thru it." It may depend upon the sentiment of those whose ancestors are buried there. The 1925 plan called for placing all stones in a group in the center of the cemetery, covering them with earth to create a mound and have flowers on that, at the same time placing a monument there with a bronze tablet giving the names of all persons known to be buried there. A fairly complete record made by Rev. Dr. William M. Beauchamp, is in the public library. Thursday Sept. 15, 1938

A friend sent me the information below, after having had a discussion of how cemeteries are and have been, covered over by newer buildings, or made into parks and the grave stones removed, but not necessarily the bodies. I thought it would be interesting to share that the US is not the only place that does this and perhaps if anyone knows of cemeteries that once existed in a specific area, and is now covered by, a park, apartments, or a business, that it would be good information to share with others on a list. I know of one small cemetery on North Salina St., in Syracuse, NY, that is a small park, with businesses behind it, that all the stones had been removed and has been a park for years. I do not know the original name of that cemetery, or if and when the bodies were removed. I was told, there were still a few flat markers there. I was wondering if others would share information on this subject of other known cemeteries that once existed and what happened to those buried there, and what happened with the headstones, as well? Dianne ENGLAND - Came across a site yesterday about a church in Gillingham, Kent, and on it were several pictures of the graveyard of the old parish church, which has been turned into a sort of park, etc. And the etcetera includes a row of pensioners' housing, no less. So I'm now wondering whether they are going to build on the now completely empty acres of the Barming Hospital graveyard - they've already turned the old hospital into flats and built houses on its grounds.... Anyway, thought of you and that maybe you would like to see what's happening to our historic graveyards here. If so, url is http://www.rossfamily.plus.com/historicmedway/index.htm Look for Gillingham, then St Mary Magdalene ...

Researching a Jonathan Martine who lived in Bloomingburgh NY -- daughter Mary married a James Greer of Mount Hope NY in Orange Co

Ted, One of my ancestors, Nicholas Concklin (1661-1751) was also an early settler of the Kakiat Patent. It is one of several tracts of land along the present day New York - New Jersey border that were purchased from the Indians by settlers and land speculators around the turn of the 17th century. It was in Rockland County, New York between the Tappan and Cheesecocks Patents, neither of which are shown on any maps today. As near as I can tell, the towns of New City, Spring Valley and Pomona in Rockland would all be part of the original Kakiat Patent. Nicholas was buried in the Village of Kakiat, which is now Pomona. Good Luck, Tom Conklin -----Original Message----- From: gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Ted371@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:02 AM To: gen-nys@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEN-NYS] RESEARCHING JOHN MARTINE In the Will of JOHN MARTINE drawn up in 1757, said he was of the Precinct of Haverstraw in Orange County. The land referred to in the will was in what was known as the Patent of Kakiak in Orange County NY. He also referred to the land as Lot 14. Where was the "Patent of Kakiak?" Was this just a section of Haverstraw? Is there a map dating back that far? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ted Martine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the Will of JOHN MARTINE drawn up in 1757, said he was of the Precinct of Haverstraw in Orange County. The land referred to in the will was in what was known as the Patent of Kakiak in Orange County NY. He also referred to the land as Lot 14. Where was the "Patent of Kakiak?" Was this just a section of Haverstraw? Is there a map dating back that far? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ted Martine

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I agree with Diane and Fran. Bob has done a wonderful job and should be given the opportunity of staying in his position, if he so wishes. I further agree that Martha is an excellent choice, in the case that Bob steps down. Dianne Thomas Oswego Co./Volney, NY

In an article in today's (Monday, September 4) NEWSDAY, "It stood for about 550 years and came down with a crack in the middle of the night. Lloyd Harbor's beloved "big oak," believed to be the oldest black oak tree in North America, fell early yesterday morning, the village mayor said." For the complete article, "Mighty oak's fatal blow", please go to (you may need to manually copy and paste the URL into your browser): http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-litree044877194sep04,0, 5652372.story?coll=ny-linews-print Lloyd Harbor is one of those several villages and hamlets on Long Island where none of the places in the community have the village name as part of their mailing address. The pertinent geography: Lloyd Harbor is a village (incorporated in 1923) in the northwest part of the Town of Huntington, in the northwest part of Suffolk County. There are 4 villages (municipal corporations) and 15 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Huntington. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of Lloyd Harbor in the Town of Huntington is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by Huntington Bay; on the south by the Hamlet of Huntington and the Hamlet of Cold Spring Harbor; and, on the west by Oyster Bay. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 villages and 126 hamlets), the village and the postal zone that use the same name, have different borders. In this case there is no "Lloyd Harbor, NY" postal zone and places in the Village of Lloyd Harbor have other than a "Lloyd Harbor, NY" mailing address (these places have either a "Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724 or a Huntington, NY 11743" mailing address). For those who have their copy of the 2005 or earlier editions of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Lloyd Harbor (incorporated in 1923) in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 16 (map) and 17 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5767, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah, because it will occur on Shabbat (Sabbath), begins 18 minutes before sunset on Friday, September 22 on the civil calendar. . Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

For those who may not already know, Mattituck and Aquebogue are hamlets (unincorporated areas) in the Town of Southold and in the Town of Riverhead, respectively. The Town of Riverhead seceded from the Town of Southold on March 13, 1772. (The Town of Shelter Island, too, had once been part of the Town of Southold and it seceded in the 1720s.) The pertinent current geography for Mattituck: Mattituck is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the west part of the Town of Southold, along the Southold/Riverhead town line, in the northeast part of Suffolk County. There are 1 village (municipal corporation) and 10 hamlets (unincorporated areas) in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Mattituck in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north by the Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlets of Peconic and Cutchogue; on the south by the Peconic Bay and the Hamlet of Laurel; and, on the west by Hamlet of Northville in the Town of Riverhead (the Southold/Riverhead own line). And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 32 villages and 125 hamlets), the Hamlet of Mattituck has a different border than does the "Mattituck, NY 11952" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Mattituck mailing address and not be in Mattituck and a place can have other than a Mattituck mailing address and be in Mattituck). Those places that have a "Mattituck, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Mattituck are in the Hamlet of Laurel and in the Hamlet of Cutchogue; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Mattituck with a "Riverhead, NY 11901" and a "Cutchogue, NY 11935" mailing address. The pertinent current geography for Aquebogue: Together with the Hamlet of Jamesport and Laurel and once part of the no-longer Hamlet of Franklinville, Aquebogue is a hamlet (unincorporated area) in the southeast part of the Town of Riverhead, in the northeast part of Suffolk County. There are no villages (municipal corporations) and 7 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or partly in the Town of Riverhead (Riverhead is the only town in either Suffolk or Nassau County without any villages within its borders). There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Aquebogue in the Town of Riverhead is bordered on the north by the Hamlet Northville; on the east by the Hamlet of Jamesport; on the south by the Great Peconic Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Riverhead. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 32 villages and 125 hamlets), the hamlet and the postal zone that use the same name, have different borders. There are places with a "Aquebogue, NY 11931" mailing address that are not in Aquebogue and these places appear to be in the Hamlet of Riverhead. For those who have their copy of the 2005 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Mattituck in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 30 (map) and 31 (population estimate) and you'll find the Hamlet of Aquebogue in the Town of Riverhead, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 26 (map) and 27 (population estimate).. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5767, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY * L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH) Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" (or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah, because it will occur on Shabbat (Sabbath), begins 18 minutes before sunset on Friday, September 22 on the civil calendar. Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Thanks for the note, Joyce. Yes, I've done the google root but unfortunately this surname is a horror to find as it is mostly either HOLE or HOWELL. They all seem to intermingle. I did try the site you gave, and it does have some interesting places so will go back and go thru those too. Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ ~~~~~ Speak kind words/hear kind echoes ~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wrdsrus@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:39 PM To: gen-nys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] HOELL FAMILY - Mattituck-Aquebogue Parishes, Suffolk, NY Here is a webpage from Mattituck that has genealogy links...I grew up in that area...and learned of Mattituck as a child...it was taught about in schools, so perhaps a library in the area could help you... I know the West Islip school district used to teach about it in local history..so perhaps someone in the school system (a history teacher) could give you more info that might lead to some info http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=topsearchbox.search&query =M attituck+NY+genealogy search results for Mattituck http://longislandgenealogy.com/LIGRecords.html This one talks about Mattituck historical Society http://www.kindredtrails.com/NY_Suffolk.html hope this might help Joyce We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. ...Albert Einstein ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a webpage from Mattituck that has genealogy links...I grew up in that area...and learned of Mattituck as a child...it was taught about in schools, so perhaps a library in the area could help you... I know the West Islip school district used to teach about it in local history..so perhaps someone in the school system (a history teacher) could give you more info that might lead to some info http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=topsearchbox.search&query=M attituck+NY+genealogy search results for Mattituck http://longislandgenealogy.com/LIGRecords.html This one talks about Mattituck historical Society http://www.kindredtrails.com/NY_Suffolk.html hope this might help Joyce We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. ...Albert Einstein

Has anyone run across or know of the HOELL family from Southold/Mattituck-Aquebogue in late 1600s/early 1700s?? I have checked many of the HOWELL families and found many Chas., but none that fit my Chas. time frame and locations. I am looking for the family of Charles HOLE/HOEL/HOWELL b c 1700 NY? marr. Sarah SMITH. Chas. was a schoolmaster and was executor of a will in 1727 for: 'I, HANNAH KNOWLING, of Shelter Island, make Charles Hole, of Southold, and my daughter, Mary Merrow, executors.' By 1732 Chas. was in Elizabeth Town, Essex Co., NJ where he witnessed many wills. He died there in 1749. I have found the following HOELLs but cannot find any further info on them: Recompense HOELL marr. Martha. Had dau. Bethiah HOELL 06 November 1774 - Bap. Date - Mattituck-Aquebogue Parishes, Suffolk, NY. David HOELL 26 October 1755 -Bap. Date - Mattituck-Aquebogue Parishes, Suffolk, NY, son of James HOELL ('of Southold') and Mary. Any help appreciated - Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/

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