Heading west form Albany County Present day counties: At the time of the Erie Canal, there were fewer as they formed new counties from combinations of older ones. County Original Date formed Albany " 1683 Schenectady Albany 1809 Montgomery " 1772 Herkimer Montgomery 1791 Oneida " 1798 Madison Chenango 1806 Cayuga Onondaga 1799 Onondaga Herkimer 1794 Cayuga Onondaga 1799 Seneca Cayuga 1804 Ontario Montgomery 1789 Monroe Genesee, Ontario 1802 Genesee Ontario 1802 Niagara Genesee 1808 or Erie Niagara 1821 Hope this helps! ----- Original Message ----- From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> To: <GEN-NYS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: [GEN-NYS] Erie Canal >I am trying to track down a Patrick Donlon family. Migrated to US before >1847. Had a daughter born in Steuben County 1847 , another 1849 and a son >1852. The family does not show up in the 1850 , 1855, 1860 census for >Steuben County but is there in 1865. > Patrick had a brother John who was in Steuben County and it is possible > that Patrick's wife Catherine went there to be with John's wife when > Catherine was going to give birth. . > Patrick as a family does not show up in PA , NJ , Conn or Mass census > for 1850 or 1860 and does not appear per Census of 1850 and 1860 to be in > NY. > Could it be he was working on the Canal which was being rebuilt at the > time? . What New York Counties would this have been? The NY census for > 1855 must be check for each county. Any suggestions.... Grant > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm sure Walter will weigh in, but meanwhile, if you have a road map that covers Queens, start at Kennedy Airport and go north on Rt. 678 to Atlantic Ave., then a little west. Voila! Richmond Hill. I think a lot of neighborhoods in Queens no longer have distinct postal addresses. Joy Jan Miller wrote: >I hope Walter can further respond to this discussion, for I was sure it >was a community on Long Island. His well-informed background on Hamlets >Towns and Cities is at the bottom of this thread. As for the community of >Richmond Hill, and trying to be "more smart than foolish" before walking in >on your conversation, I decided to be sure--so I checked an AAA map with a >date code [I think] of 1998. > >I found that Richmond Hill does not appear in their Index of Long Island >Cities and Towns, nor does it appear on their Index of NYC and Vicinity >Towns and Cities--(which includes Staten Island (alias Richmond Co., alias >the Borough of Richmond)! >Then--my mind being stymied, popped up wondering--was Richmond Hill an >early Ma-Bell telephone company prefix, [as in Murray Hill]? (!) > >If Walter is still monitoring the Long Island List, I hope he reads this >message. His wealth of information on Long Island Hamlets, Towns and Cities >is already at the bottom of this, maybe he can expand the info for all of us >NY and vicinity genealogists. As for me, I'e been a long-time away from >the Metropolitan area, so I can't be considered an authority....... >As the saying goes..."you can take me out of New York, but you can't take >New York out of me! >Jan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> >To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:00 AM >Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > > > >>This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? >>Interesting? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >>>Island (Long, that is). >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >>>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >>>>years. >>>> >>>>Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >>>> >>>>I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>"Island" they meant Long Island. >>>> >>>>Maureen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >>>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >>>>>official >>>>>designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter >>>>> >>>>> >>what >> >> >>>>>it >>>>>was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >>>>>beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once >>>>> >>>>> >>heard >> >> >>>>>anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >>>>>records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much >>>>>history >>>>>(including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact >>>>> >>>>> >>that >> >> >>>>>Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >>>>>Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >>>>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >>>>>Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York >>>>>> >>>>>> >>State) >> >> >>>>>>is >>>>>>coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >>>>>>City) >>>>>>of >>>>>>Staten Island. >>>>>> >>>>>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>was >>>>>>>called >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>the Borough of Richmond. >>>>>> >>>>>>Geographic History of Richmond County: >>>>>> >>>>>>Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>when >> >> >>>>>>the >>>>>>General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental >>>>>>structure >>>>>>in >>>>>>all >>>>>>of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >>>>>>sub-divided >>>>>>into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>Dutchess, >> >> >>>>>>Kings, >>>>>>New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>1683 >>>>>>Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >>>>>>Southfield and Westfield. >>>>>> >>>>>>1860 >>>>>>The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of >>>>>>Castleton >>>>>>and >>>>>>Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>>>>>Northfield, >>>>>>Southfield and Westfield. >>>>>> >>>>>>1866 >>>>>>The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of >>>>>>Castleton. >>>>>> >>>>>>1872 >>>>>>Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>Castleton. >> >> >>>>>>Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>>>>>Northfield, >>>>>>Southfield and Westfield. >>>>>> >>>>>>1898 >>>>>>The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >>>>>>County >>>>>>following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>City >> >> >>>>>>of >>>>>>Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City >>>>>> >>>>>> >>of >> >> >>>>>>Long >>>>>>Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>Rockaway >> >> >>>>>>peninsula >>>>>>of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >>>>>>City. >>>>>> >>>>>>1975 >>>>>>The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains >>>>>> >>>>>> >>coterminous >> >> >>>>>>with >>>>>>Richmond County. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >>>>>>definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >>>>>> >>>>>>I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>>>>Walter Greenspan >>>>>>Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >>>>>> >>>>>>New York State is divided into counties. >>>>>> >>>>>>County >>>>>>A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>created >> >> >>>>>>to >>>>>>perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >>>>>>divided >>>>>>into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >>>>>> >>>>>>City >>>>>>A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >>>>>>Cities >>>>>>are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >>>>>>geographic >>>>>>areas. >>>>>> >>>>>>Town >>>>>>A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory >>>>>>within >>>>>>the >>>>>>state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >>>>>>sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >>>>>> >>>>>>Village >>>>>>A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed >>>>>> >>>>>> >>voluntarily >> >> >>>>>>by >>>>>>the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves >>>>>> >>>>>> >>with >> >> >>>>>>municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar >>>>>>to >>>>>>those of a >>>>>>city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >>>>>>geographic >>>>>>areas. >>>>>> >>>>>>Hamlet >>>>>>A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is >>>>>> >>>>>> >>governed >> >> >>>>>>at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >>>>>>neighborhoods, >>>>>>which >>>>>>are informal geographic areas. >>>>>> >>>>>>Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >>>>>>A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >>>>>>established >>>>>>by >>>>>>the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >>>>>>"Town" >>>>>>may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >>>>>>borders. >>>>>>Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >>>>>>hamlet >>>>>>location. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >>>>>>non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority >>>>>>of >>>>>>places have a >>>>>>different community name in their mailing address than the community >>>>>>where >>>>>>that >>>>>>place is actually located. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>> >>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > >

OK, I've been following this thread as it gets more convoluted. Maybe I can clarify (or confuse you more). Richmond Hill is in Queens County. It was always in Queens County. Queens County is ON Long Island, but Long Islanders do not consider it to be IN Long Island, because it has been part of New York City since 1898 (or is that 1900?). Queens County used to stretch out to what is now the border of Suffolk County, but in 1898/ 1900, Nassau County was carved out of it. Long Islanders consider Nassau County and Suffolk County to comprise Long Island. Queens and Brooklyn (which is also ON Long Island) are left out because they are boroughs of New York City. Staten Island is Richmond County and also a borough of NY City. That has nothing to do with Richmond Hill, unless they were maybe named for the same person-- the Duke of Richmond?? Hope that's clearer, but I won't put money on it! Joy Weaver Ann O'Hara wrote: >It was never on Staten Island. It was originally in a part of Long Island >that later became part of Queens. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> >To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:00 PM >Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > > > >>This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? >>Interesting? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >>>Island (Long, that is). >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >>>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >>>>years. >>>> >>>>Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >>>> >>>>I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>"Island" they meant Long Island. >>>> >>>>Maureen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

It was never on Staten Island. It was originally in a part of Long Island that later became part of Queens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? > Interesting? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >> Island (Long, that is). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >> > years. >> > >> > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >> > >> > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to > the >> > "Island" they meant Long Island. >> > >> > Maureen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> > >> > >> >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >> >> official >> >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter > what >> >> it >> >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >> >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once > heard >> >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >> >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much >> >> history >> >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact > that >> >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >> >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >> >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York > State) >> >>> is >> >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >> >>> City) >> >>> of >> >>> Staten Island. >> >>> >> >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island >> >>>>was >> >>>>called >> >>> the Borough of Richmond. >> >>> >> >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >> >>> >> >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 > when >> >>> the >> >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental >> >>> structure >> >>> in >> >>> all >> >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >> >>> sub-divided >> >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, > Dutchess, >> >>> Kings, >> >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 1683 >> >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1860 >> >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of >> >>> Castleton >> >>> and >> >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1866 >> >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of >> >>> Castleton. >> >>> >> >>> 1872 >> >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of > Castleton. >> >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1898 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >> >>> County >> >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the > City >> >>> of >> >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City > of >> >>> Long >> >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the > Rockaway >> >>> peninsula >> >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >> >>> City. >> >>> >> >>> 1975 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains > coterminous >> >>> with >> >>> Richmond County. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >> >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >> >>> >> >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >> >>> >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> >> >>> Walter Greenspan >> >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >> >>> >> >>> New York State is divided into counties. >> >>> >> >>> County >> >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, > created >> >>> to >> >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >> >>> divided >> >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >> >>> >> >>> City >> >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >> >>> Cities >> >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Town >> >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory >> >>> within >> >>> the >> >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >> >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >> >>> >> >>> Village >> >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed > voluntarily >> >>> by >> >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves > with >> >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar >> >>> to >> >>> those of a >> >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Hamlet >> >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is > governed >> >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >> >>> neighborhoods, >> >>> which >> >>> are informal geographic areas. >> >>> >> >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >> >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >> >>> established >> >>> by >> >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >> >>> "Town" >> >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >> >>> borders. >> >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >> >>> hamlet >> >>> location. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >> >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority >> >>> of >> >>> places have a >> >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >> >>> where >> >>> that >> >>> place is actually located. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? Interesting? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the > Island (Long, that is). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > > > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many > > years. > > > > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? > > > > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the > > "Island" they meant Long Island. > > > > Maureen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > > > > >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the > >> official > >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter what > >> it > >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the > >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once heard > >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official > >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much history > >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact that > >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island > >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> > >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM > >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) > >>> is > >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York > >>> City) > >>> of > >>> Staten Island. > >>> > >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was > >>>>called > >>> the Borough of Richmond. > >>> > >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: > >>> > >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 when > >>> the > >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure > >>> in > >>> all > >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was > >>> sub-divided > >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, > >>> Kings, > >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) > >>> > >>> > >>> 1683 > >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, > >>> Southfield and Westfield. > >>> > >>> 1860 > >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton > >>> and > >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, > >>> Northfield, > >>> Southfield and Westfield. > >>> > >>> 1866 > >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. > >>> > >>> 1872 > >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. > >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, > >>> Northfield, > >>> Southfield and Westfield. > >>> > >>> 1898 > >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond > >>> County > >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the City > >>> of > >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of > >>> Long > >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway > >>> peninsula > >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York > >>> City. > >>> > >>> 1975 > >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains coterminous > >>> with > >>> Richmond County. > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS > >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. > >>> > >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> Walter Greenspan > >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY > >>> > >>> > >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State > >>> > >>> New York State is divided into counties. > >>> > >>> County > >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created > >>> to > >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are > >>> divided > >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. > >>> > >>> City > >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. > >>> Cities > >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal > >>> geographic > >>> areas. > >>> > >>> Town > >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within > >>> the > >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be > >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. > >>> > >>> Village > >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily > >>> by > >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with > >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to > >>> those of a > >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal > >>> geographic > >>> areas. > >>> > >>> Hamlet > >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed > >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into > >>> neighborhoods, > >>> which > >>> are informal geographic areas. > >>> > >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" > >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district > >>> established > >>> by > >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and > >>> "Town" > >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community > >>> borders. > >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or > >>> hamlet > >>> location. > >>> > >>> > >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of > >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of > >>> places have a > >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community > >>> where > >>> that > >>> place is actually located. > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the Island (Long, that is). ----- Original Message ----- From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many > years. > > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? > > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the > "Island" they meant Long Island. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >> official >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter what >> it >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once heard >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much history >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact that >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >>> >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) >>> is >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >>> City) >>> of >>> Staten Island. >>> >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was >>>>called >>> the Borough of Richmond. >>> >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >>> >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 when >>> the >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure >>> in >>> all >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >>> sub-divided >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, >>> Kings, >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >>> >>> >>> 1683 >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >>> Southfield and Westfield. >>> >>> 1860 >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton >>> and >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>> Northfield, >>> Southfield and Westfield. >>> >>> 1866 >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. >>> >>> 1872 >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>> Northfield, >>> Southfield and Westfield. >>> >>> 1898 >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >>> County >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the City >>> of >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of >>> Long >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway >>> peninsula >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >>> City. >>> >>> 1975 >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains coterminous >>> with >>> Richmond County. >>> >>> >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >>> >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Walter Greenspan >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >>> >>> >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >>> >>> New York State is divided into counties. >>> >>> County >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created >>> to >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >>> divided >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >>> >>> City >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >>> Cities >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >>> geographic >>> areas. >>> >>> Town >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within >>> the >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >>> >>> Village >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily >>> by >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to >>> those of a >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >>> geographic >>> areas. >>> >>> Hamlet >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >>> neighborhoods, >>> which >>> are informal geographic areas. >>> >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >>> established >>> by >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >>> "Town" >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >>> borders. >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >>> hamlet >>> location. >>> >>> >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of >>> places have a >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >>> where >>> that >>> place is actually located. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I hope Walter can further respond to this discussion, for I was sure it was a community on Long Island. His well-informed background on Hamlets Towns and Cities is at the bottom of this thread. As for the community of Richmond Hill, and trying to be "more smart than foolish" before walking in on your conversation, I decided to be sure--so I checked an AAA map with a date code [I think] of 1998. I found that Richmond Hill does not appear in their Index of Long Island Cities and Towns, nor does it appear on their Index of NYC and Vicinity Towns and Cities--(which includes Staten Island (alias Richmond Co., alias the Borough of Richmond)! Then--my mind being stymied, popped up wondering--was Richmond Hill an early Ma-Bell telephone company prefix, [as in Murray Hill]? (!) If Walter is still monitoring the Long Island List, I hope he reads this message. His wealth of information on Long Island Hamlets, Towns and Cities is already at the bottom of this, maybe he can expand the info for all of us NY and vicinity genealogists. As for me, I'e been a long-time away from the Metropolitan area, so I can't be considered an authority....... As the saying goes..."you can take me out of New York, but you can't take New York out of me! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? > Interesting? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >> Island (Long, that is). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >> > years. >> > >> > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >> > >> > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to > the >> > "Island" they meant Long Island. >> > >> > Maureen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> > >> > >> >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >> >> official >> >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter > what >> >> it >> >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >> >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once > heard >> >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >> >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much >> >> history >> >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact > that >> >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >> >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >> >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York > State) >> >>> is >> >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >> >>> City) >> >>> of >> >>> Staten Island. >> >>> >> >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island >> >>>>was >> >>>>called >> >>> the Borough of Richmond. >> >>> >> >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >> >>> >> >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 > when >> >>> the >> >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental >> >>> structure >> >>> in >> >>> all >> >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >> >>> sub-divided >> >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, > Dutchess, >> >>> Kings, >> >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 1683 >> >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1860 >> >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of >> >>> Castleton >> >>> and >> >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1866 >> >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of >> >>> Castleton. >> >>> >> >>> 1872 >> >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of > Castleton. >> >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1898 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >> >>> County >> >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the > City >> >>> of >> >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City > of >> >>> Long >> >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the > Rockaway >> >>> peninsula >> >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >> >>> City. >> >>> >> >>> 1975 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains > coterminous >> >>> with >> >>> Richmond County. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >> >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >> >>> >> >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >> >>> >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> >> >>> Walter Greenspan >> >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >> >>> >> >>> New York State is divided into counties. >> >>> >> >>> County >> >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, > created >> >>> to >> >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >> >>> divided >> >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >> >>> >> >>> City >> >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >> >>> Cities >> >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Town >> >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory >> >>> within >> >>> the >> >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >> >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >> >>> >> >>> Village >> >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed > voluntarily >> >>> by >> >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves > with >> >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar >> >>> to >> >>> those of a >> >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Hamlet >> >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is > governed >> >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >> >>> neighborhoods, >> >>> which >> >>> are informal geographic areas. >> >>> >> >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >> >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >> >>> established >> >>> by >> >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >> >>> "Town" >> >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >> >>> borders. >> >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >> >>> hamlet >> >>> location. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >> >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority >> >>> of >> >>> places have a >> >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >> >>> where >> >>> that >> >>> place is actually located. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many years. Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the "Island" they meant Long Island. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > This is very important information. Note the time periods that the > official > designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter what > it > was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the > beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once heard > anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official > records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much history > (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact that > Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island > Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM > Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> >> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) >> is >> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >> City) >> of >> Staten Island. >> >>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was >>>called >> the Borough of Richmond. >> >> Geographic History of Richmond County: >> >> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 when >> the >> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure in >> all >> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >> sub-divided >> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, >> Kings, >> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >> >> >> 1683 >> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >> Southfield and Westfield. >> >> 1860 >> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton >> and >> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> Northfield, >> Southfield and Westfield. >> >> 1866 >> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. >> >> 1872 >> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. >> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> Northfield, >> Southfield and Westfield. >> >> 1898 >> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >> County >> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the City >> of >> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of >> Long >> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway >> peninsula >> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York City. >> >> 1975 >> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains coterminous >> with >> Richmond County. >> >> >> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >> >> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Walter Greenspan >> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >> >> >> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >> >> New York State is divided into counties. >> >> County >> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created >> to >> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >> divided >> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >> >> City >> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >> Cities >> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >> geographic >> areas. >> >> Town >> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within >> the >> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >> >> Village >> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily >> by >> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with >> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to >> those of a >> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >> geographic >> areas. >> >> Hamlet >> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed >> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >> neighborhoods, >> which >> are informal geographic areas. >> >> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established >> by >> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >> "Town" >> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >> borders. >> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >> hamlet >> location. >> >> >> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of >> places have a >> different community name in their mailing address than the community >> where >> that >> place is actually located. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is very important information. Note the time periods that the official designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter what it was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once heard anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much history (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact that Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) is > coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York City) > of > Staten Island. > >>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was >>called > the Borough of Richmond. > > Geographic History of Richmond County: > > Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 when > the > General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure in > all > of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was > sub-divided > into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, > Kings, > New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) > > > 1683 > Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, > Southfield and Westfield. > > 1860 > The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton and > Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, > Northfield, > Southfield and Westfield. > > 1866 > The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. > > 1872 > Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. > Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, > Northfield, > Southfield and Westfield. > > 1898 > The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond County > following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the City > of > Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of > Long > Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway > peninsula > of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York City. > > 1975 > The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains coterminous > with > Richmond County. > > > I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS > definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > Sincerely, > > Walter Greenspan > Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY > > > Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State > > New York State is divided into counties. > > County > A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created > to > perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are > divided > into cities, towns and Indian reservations. > > City > A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. > Cities > are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal > geographic > areas. > > Town > A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the > state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be > sub-divided into villages and hamlets. > > Village > A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by > the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with > municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to > those of a > city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal > geographic > areas. > > Hamlet > A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed > at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, > which > are informal geographic areas. > > Postal Zone "City" and "Town" > A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established > by > the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and > "Town" > may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. > Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or > hamlet > location. > > > Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of > non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of > places have a > different community name in their mailing address than the community where > that > place is actually located. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

We are looking for information on an immigrant to the US from England. Is there an earlier census where we may be able to find them with their young family and any succeeding census between 1868 and 1900 ? What years were the US Census taken prior to the 1st June 1900 ? Were they taken every 10 years ? The information we have is from the twelfth New York State Census of 1 June 1900. It says that William [Douglas] Howden was in the Borough of Richmond , New York City. that he was a Book Keeper- that he was 59 years old - born 1840 ? that he was a widower - that his sister- in- law also resided with him at this address inTrinity Place. He married Esther J Orrell in September 1866, at Bolton, Lancashire, England. In 1868 they went to America. We know that they later had a family of children but have no details. We have yet to find exactly when they travelled -on what ship -[ sailing ?] -the port of embarkation- departure from England [?] -their arrival date and port in the US. We do know that some Howden relatives from here [N Z] went to visit some descendants of this family of the 1800's - probably about 80 + years ago i.e at least prior to 1940 - but we don't know where the US Howdens were living at that time and whatever information that was known at that time, about them, has been lost. It is said that these relatives also settled permanently in the US. Do hope that someone may be able to send us some earlier census information about this family. Thankyou very much for your time and help. Regards and Best Wishes Noeline and Aileen

Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) is coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York City) of Staten Island. >From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was called the Borough of Richmond. Geographic History of Richmond County: Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 when the General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure in all of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was sub-divided into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, Dutchess, Kings, New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) 1683 Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, Southfield and Westfield. 1860 The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton and Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, Northfield, Southfield and Westfield. 1866 The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. 1872 Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, Northfield, Southfield and Westfield. 1898 The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond County following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the City of Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City of Long Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the Rockaway peninsula of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York City. 1975 The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains coterminous with Richmond County. I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Sincerely, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

It also might help you to know that the borough and county of Richmond are more commonly known as Staten Island. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rdpiet@aol.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com>; <GEN-NYS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >

If you want additional information on Frederick he can be identified in census records thru 1930 in Mryland, the Districy of Columbia and New Mexico. So Harry reamined in Richmong NY were he is listed in many census records; about Harry Howden Name: Harry Howden Home in 1920: Richmond Assembly District 1, Richmond, New York Age: AgeWith12ths('45',true);45 years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Birthplace: New York Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Adelide Father's Birth Place: England Mother's Birth Place: England Marital Status: Married Race: White Sex: Male Home owned: Own Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Image: 644 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Harry Howden 45 Adelide Howden 39 Phyllis Howden 18 Adalide Carpenter 70 This end my messing around. Hope this helps. Cheers. Bob

Hello, William Howden passed in 1926 Howden William D 81 y Nov 9 1926 1994 Richmond 1844 - 1845 He is in the 1870 US census with soin Frederick and his wife: Frederick B Howden Castleton, Richmond, NY abt 1869 New York White Male Hester J Howden Castleton, Richmond, NY abt 1840 England White Female Wm D Howden Castleton, Richmond, NY abt 1841 England White BY 1880 they had another son: 1880 United States Federal Census about Wm. D. Howden Name: Wm. D. Howden Home in 1880: Richmond (Staten Island), New York, New York Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Birthplace: England Relation to head-of-household: Head Spouse's name: Esther J. Father's birthplace: ENG Mother's birthplace: ENG Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Bkkeeper Shipping Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Cannot read/write:Blind:Deaf and dumb:Otherwise disabled:Idiotic or insane: View Image Household Members: Name Age Wm. D. Howden 40 Esther J. Howden 40 Fred B. Howden 10 Harry P. Howden 8 AS at 1920 he remains in Richmond, NY 1920 United States Federal Census about William D Howden Name: William D Howden Home in 1920: Richmond Assembly District 1, Richmond, New York Age: AgeWith12ths('79',true);79 years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: Scotland Mother's Birth Place: England Marital Status: Widow Race: White Sex: Male Home owned: Own Year of Immigration: 1867 Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Image: 643 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William D Howden 79 Maria Orrell 82 I have not been able to locate a death date for wife Esther. Additional information on his children is available if you should want more information just send me an e mail. The death record for William can be obtained the the mormon church or if you write me direct I can tell you other ways to get it. Hope this helps. Cheers. Bob Pieterse, FL, USA

US census records are available since 1790 although not all family members are listed till 1850. U can check www.familysearch.org for the 1880 census. If you desire other information send me an e mail.. Bob

Hi, Noeline and Aileen from New Zealand. The US Census is taken every 10 years and all those older than 1940 are available to the public except for the 1890 census which was pretty much entirely destroyed by fire. I use Ancestry.com to search and view these census records. It requires a paid subscription. Many of the records are also available for free in places like www.rootsweb.com, but searching them is somewhat hit or miss. (My opinion) William is found in the 1870 US Census, p. 82, living in the town of Castleton, Richmond Co., NY. He is listed as Wm. D. Howden, age 29, Clerk in Office. His wife is listed as Hester J., age 30, Keeping House. One son is listed as Frederick B., age 8 months old. Since this census was taken 18 Jul 1870, one could assume that Frederick was born around November or December of 1869. William is found in the 1880 US Census, p. 102.1000, living in Richmond Borough of NYC. He is listed as age 40 and a bookkeeper/shipping. His wife is listed as Estger J., age 40, housekeeper, also from England. Two sons are listed. First is Fred B., age 10, born in New York. Second is Harry P., age 8, also born in NY. You have the data from the 1900 US Census which I confirmed. I could not locate them in the 1910 census. William Howden appears in the 1920 US Census living in Richmond Borough of NYC. He is listed as being 79 years old having immigrated to America in 1867. His father was from Scotland and his mother from England. He is living with a woman named Maria Orrell, age 89. She is listed as a housekeeper. She was born in England and immigrated in 1868. In the 1900 US Census, I found a Frederick Howden, age 30, b. Dec. 1869 (which is the correct date - see 1870 census above). He was living in Cumberland - Ward 1, Allegany County, Maryland. He is listed as a "Preacher". His wife is named Angelica, age 30, born in New York. Her father was from Germany. Her mother was from New York. Three children are listed: Angelica, age 4; Duglass (Douglas), age 2; and Esther, age 7 months. In 1910, Frederick is living in Precint 7, Washington, DC, age 40. He is listed as a Clergyman - Pastor of a Church. His wife is listed as Angelical, age 40. They have been married 15 years. Seven children are listed: Angelica, age 14, b. NY; Douglas H., age 12, b. CT; Esther O., age 10, b. Maryland; Frederick B., age 8, b. Maryland; John F., age 6, Dist of Col; Margaret, age 3, b. NC; and William, age 2, b. Dist of Col. I found a Frederick Howden in the 1930 US Census living in Albuquerque, New Mexico whose parents were born in England. He is listed as age 60 which would be the correct age. He is a Widower. His eldest daughter is named Esther J. which further substantiates that this is the son of William and Esther. Esther, the daughter, is age 30, b. Maryland. The second daughter listed is Margaret, age 23, b. North Carolina. The youngest child is a son named William, age 22, b. District of Columbia. As for Harry P. Howden, the other son of William and Esther, I found him in the 1910 US Census for Richmond Ward 1, Richmond Co., NY, p. 6a., age 38. He is living with his wife's mother and paternal grandmother - Adelie, age 63, and Adelaide F. Carpenter, age 87, respectively. His wife is listed as Howden Howden (probably a mistake), age 34. They have been married 9 years. There is one child listed, Phyllis, age 7. In the 1920 US Census Harry is still living in Richmond where he is found on p. 3b, age 45. He is listed as a "dry goods designer". In this census, his wife is named Adelide, age 39 (she may have subtracted a few years. Ah, vanity), born in Ohio. Phyllis is still living with them, age 18 as is the mother-in-law, Adelide Carpenter, age 70. I hope all of this helps. ----- Original Message ---- From: amdg0195 <ag001@wave.co.nz> To: GEN-NYS@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2006 10:21:36 AM Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden We are looking for information on an immigrant to the US from England. Is there an earlier census where we may be able to find them with their young family and any succeeding census between 1868 and 1900 ? What years were the US Census taken prior to the 1st June 1900 ? Were they taken every 10 years ? The information we have is from the twelfth New York State Census of 1 June 1900. It says that William [Douglas] Howden was in the Borough of Richmond , New York City. that he was a Book Keeper- that he was 59 years old - born 1840 ? that he was a widower - that his sister- in- law also resided with him at this address inTrinity Place. He married Esther J Orrell in September 1866, at Bolton, Lancashire, England. In 1868 they went to America. We know that they later had a family of children but have no details. We have yet to find exactly when they travelled -on what ship -[ sailing ?] -the port of embarkation- departure from England [?] -their arrival date and port in the US. We do know that some Howden relatives from here [N Z] went to visit some descendants of this family of the 1800's - probably about 80 + years ago i.e at least prior to 1940 - but we don't know where the US Howdens were living at that time and whatever information that was known at that time, about them, has been lost. It is said that these relatives also settled permanently in the US. Do hope that someone may be able to send us some earlier census information about this family. Thankyou very much for your time and help. Regards and Best Wishes Noeline and Aileen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Help! I'm hoping someone reading this message has had a sighting of Anderson listings in early Flushing, Queens, New York or Westchester Counties in the course of their personal research. Dorothy Anderson married Samuel Tredwell in NY (not necessarily NYC--the Marriage Bond was obtained there, however) October 8, 1762. Dorothy was his second wife--first wife Elizabeth Lispenard of New Rochelle. I have a notation that ..."twins belonging to Derrick Albertson and wife Rebeckah Albertson, born 2/12/1740, the sureties to their baptism were Derrick and Rebeckah and Dorothy Anderson." The Albertson's were from that Queens area of New York at the time, but the Dorothy I am seeking was probably born after this particular Dorothy. (Maybe her mother was the surety in this instance)? This is from "Genealogies of Long Island Families" and excerpted from data relating to other Dutch names. I have been unable to find out where she came from--parents--there seems no connection to all the research I've done this family. She seems like a stranger that just 'dropped in'. It is written she was from Flushing. Samuel's parents and forebears were from Hempstead, which is not far from the Flushing area of the mid-1700s, and maybe they played a part in the matchmaking. However, Samuel had been given land in Rye, Westchester NY from the time of his first marriage and the marriage Bond or Banns said he was 'from Rye'. He and Dorothy did live in Rye/Harrison's. Dorothy had male relatives, probably father and brothers. She was living near them at the time of the 1810 census.William Anderson -- was from Rye when he died, left in his Will a quitclaim from Tredwell on 200 acres of land to Jeremiah and William Anderson of Harrison's and Jonathan Anderson of Nova Scotia. They in turn, assigned their rights to Dorothy Tredwell, widow of Samuel. There is no date given for death of William, or the transaction, but it appears Samuel died between 1801 and 1810 and that at the time of the assignment, Dorothy must have already been widowed--appears in 1820 census with 16/over male (son). Dorothy seems to always pronounce her name Doroty Treddle. She is involved in some other small transactions up to 1820 and appears in the 1820 census. The son and his wife appear in the 1830 census--also in that household is a female, "90 years and over". An extensive cemetery hunt has not revealed the death or burial sites of either Samuel or Dorothy--other TRedwells, yes --them, no. I seldom see the surname Anderson in the areas that I have searched. By placing this conundrum on all my Metropolitan Lists I hope someone has seen or worked on Anderson family records enough to give me a clue as to location to go to next. Thanks for taking the time to read all this! I sure hope an Anderson researcher in cyberspace will read this appeal! Jan

sorry I am not -- mine came from Coventry England ca 1750 Dan

are you related to any Burrows/Burroughs of Halifax ancestry? I have some from Halifax, Nova Scotia b c beginning of 1800's... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan B" <dhb48@frontiernet.net> To: "NY List" <Gen-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: [GEN-NYS] HOLLAND SOCIETY YEARBOOKS > A simple question ( I hope) and I have tried to explain 3 different ways via > email to the Holland Society but I feel that Gracie Allen is still alive > when (if at all ) I am answered. > > Question: Does anyone have a list of all the years (beginning 1886 and > ending 1937) that the Holland Society published yearbooks. I specifically > need to know if there was one published for the following years since we own > all the others in our library. > > 1886-87 yes confirmed and need acquire > 1887-88 yes confirmed and need acquire > 1892-93 yes confirmed and need acquire > 1894 -- was this ever published ?????? > 1902 pretty sure this was published and contains indexes to passenger list > 1903 pretty sure this was published and contains Early Records of Lutheran > Church of NY > 1911 pretty sure this was published but no proof > 1917 -- was this ever published > > all other issues have been acquired for the Orange County Genealogical > Society > > Can anyone confirm any of the above > > Dan Burrows > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi I Guess that answers the 1902 question for me -- I just did not want to waste time looking for books that do not exist -- thanks for your help Dan