It probably would be best if you post your request for a picture of the tombstone to the county that Rochecster is in. Bob

Thanks so much, Walter. You've been very helpful. I remember having relatives in Ozone Park and Jamaica as well as Richmond Hill. I was just a tot at the time....but one with a good memory I guess. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> To: <GEN-NYS@rootsweb.com> Cc: <NY-LONGISLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: [GEN-NYS] Richmond Hill, City Island, Staten Island, Long Island > Hi Jan, > > First, Richmond Hill was a village (incorporated in 1894) in the Town of > Jamaica in Queens County. Prior to 1894, Richmond Hill was a hamlet in > the Town > of Jamaica, and from January 1, 1898, Richmond Hill was and is currently a > neighborhood in the New York City Borough of Queens. > > Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, Richmond Hill > is > bordered on the north by Kew Gardens; on the east by Briarwood, Jamaica > and > South Jamaica; on the south by South Ozone Park and Ozone Park; and, on > the west > by Woodhaven, as shown on this map of Queens neighborhoods circa 1940: > > http://www.queenslibrary.org/gallery/past_exhibits/burgh/map.htm > > > Richmond Hill is in the service area of the Richmond Hill postal station > (ZIP > Codes 11418 and 11419), a branch of the Jamaica, NY post office. > > > Richmond Hill is the location of Jahns Ice Cream Parlor (117-03 Hillside > Avenue), home of the kitchen sink sundae (that's a punchbowl with 50 > scoops of ice > cream, topped by various and sundry toppings and lots of whipped cream). > > > For more information on Richmond Hill, please see the Richmond Hill > Historical Society web page: > > http://www.richmondhillhistory.org/ > > > Second, City Island was the third and last part of what is now the Bronx > that > was annexed by the city and county of New York from Westchester County. In > 1896, City Island was annexed from the Town of Pelham in Westchester > County. In > 1898 it became part of the NYC Borough of the Bronx, which remained part > of > New York County until the Bronx County seceded and became independent in > 1914. > (Thus, for 16 years, from 1898 to 1914, New York City was made up of 5 > boroughs, but only 4 counties.) > > City Island is in Eastchester Bay, in the southeast part of the Bronx, as > seen on this map of the Bronx neighborhoods: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/Bx/map.gif > > > City Island is a close-knit community and is known for its fish and > seafood > restaurants. > > > Third, a key reason why many always think of Richmond County as "Staten > Island" even though the borough's name was Richmond from 1898 to 1975 is > because > all places in Richmond County/Borough of Staten Island, before and after > 1975, > are in the Staten Island, NY post office and they all have a "Staten > Island, > NY" mailing address. > > Richmond County/Borough of Staten Island includes more than the Island of > Staten Island: > > Staten Island is an island, lying south of Manhattan Island, bordered by > New > Jersey to its west (separated by the Arthur Kill), NJ to its north > (separated > by the Kill Van Kull), Upper NY Bay to its east, and Lower NY Bay and the > Atlantic Ocean to its south. Also includes Shooter's Island, Prall's > Island, and > Island of Meadow -- all of which are bird sanctuaries. Also, to its > south, > are Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island which are part of the Gateway > National > Recreation Area, administered by the US National Park Service. > > > Fourth, from November 1, 1683 to January 1, 1899, Long Island included > (from > west to east) Kings County, Queens County and Suffolk County. > > Following the secession of the eastern three-quarters of Queens County > (the > part that was not annexed by NYC on January 1, 1898) on January 1, 1899 to > form > Nassau County, Long Island then and now includes (from west to east) Kings > County, Queens County, Nassau County and Suffolk County. The two > westernmost > counties are coterminous with the New York City Boroughs of Brooklyn and > Queens. > > Some (like me) argue that Dukes County, one of the original 12 counties > created on November 1, 1693 is the original "east end" and should be > included as > part of Long Island from November 1, 1683 to October 7, 1691, when Dukes > County > and Cornwall County, another of the original 12 counties, were transferred > to > the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Dukes County consisted of Martha's Vineyard > and > Nantucket Island and a few smaller islands, and Cornwall County is now the > Atlantic Coast of Maine (in 1820, as part of the Missouri Compromise, > Maine was > created out of part of Massachusetts). > > > I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. > > Regards, > > Walter Greenspan > Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan, First, Richmond Hill was a village (incorporated in 1894) in the Town of Jamaica in Queens County. Prior to 1894, Richmond Hill was a hamlet in the Town of Jamaica, and from January 1, 1898, Richmond Hill was and is currently a neighborhood in the New York City Borough of Queens. Beginning on its northern border and proceeding clockwise, Richmond Hill is bordered on the north by Kew Gardens; on the east by Briarwood, Jamaica and South Jamaica; on the south by South Ozone Park and Ozone Park; and, on the west by Woodhaven, as shown on this map of Queens neighborhoods circa 1940: http://www.queenslibrary.org/gallery/past_exhibits/burgh/map.htm Richmond Hill is in the service area of the Richmond Hill postal station (ZIP Codes 11418 and 11419), a branch of the Jamaica, NY post office. Richmond Hill is the location of Jahns Ice Cream Parlor (117-03 Hillside Avenue), home of the kitchen sink sundae (that's a punchbowl with 50 scoops of ice cream, topped by various and sundry toppings and lots of whipped cream). For more information on Richmond Hill, please see the Richmond Hill Historical Society web page: http://www.richmondhillhistory.org/ Second, City Island was the third and last part of what is now the Bronx that was annexed by the city and county of New York from Westchester County. In 1896, City Island was annexed from the Town of Pelham in Westchester County. In 1898 it became part of the NYC Borough of the Bronx, which remained part of New York County until the Bronx County seceded and became independent in 1914. (Thus, for 16 years, from 1898 to 1914, New York City was made up of 5 boroughs, but only 4 counties.) City Island is in Eastchester Bay, in the southeast part of the Bronx, as seen on this map of the Bronx neighborhoods: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/Bx/map.gif City Island is a close-knit community and is known for its fish and seafood restaurants. Third, a key reason why many always think of Richmond County as "Staten Island" even though the borough's name was Richmond from 1898 to 1975 is because all places in Richmond County/Borough of Staten Island, before and after 1975, are in the Staten Island, NY post office and they all have a "Staten Island, NY" mailing address. Richmond County/Borough of Staten Island includes more than the Island of Staten Island: Staten Island is an island, lying south of Manhattan Island, bordered by New Jersey to its west (separated by the Arthur Kill), NJ to its north (separated by the Kill Van Kull), Upper NY Bay to its east, and Lower NY Bay and the Atlantic Ocean to its south. Also includes Shooter's Island, Prall's Island, and Island of Meadow -- all of which are bird sanctuaries. Also, to its south, are Hoffman Island and Swinburn Island which are part of the Gateway National Recreation Area, administered by the US National Park Service. Fourth, from November 1, 1683 to January 1, 1899, Long Island included (from west to east) Kings County, Queens County and Suffolk County. Following the secession of the eastern three-quarters of Queens County (the part that was not annexed by NYC on January 1, 1898) on January 1, 1899 to form Nassau County, Long Island then and now includes (from west to east) Kings County, Queens County, Nassau County and Suffolk County. The two westernmost counties are coterminous with the New York City Boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens. Some (like me) argue that Dukes County, one of the original 12 counties created on November 1, 1693 is the original "east end" and should be included as part of Long Island from November 1, 1683 to October 7, 1691, when Dukes County and Cornwall County, another of the original 12 counties, were transferred to the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Dukes County consisted of Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket Island and a few smaller islands, and Cornwall County is now the Atlantic Coast of Maine (in 1820, as part of the Missouri Compromise, Maine was created out of part of Massachusetts). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY

Please feel free to do so!! Maureen.......quillpen ----- Original Message ----- From: "shirley skerritt" <sams31@sc.rr.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > Please, Please, Please change the subject line > > -----Original Message----- > From: gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of quillpen1 > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:30 PM > To: gen-nys@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > City Island sounds vaguely familiar but I can't "place" it. Please refresh > my memory. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Rdpiet@aol.com> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the >> "Island" they meant Long Island >> >> And then we have City Island. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please, Please, Please change the subject line -----Original Message----- From: gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of quillpen1 Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:30 PM To: gen-nys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden City Island sounds vaguely familiar but I can't "place" it. Please refresh my memory. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rdpiet@aol.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the > "Island" they meant Long Island > > And then we have City Island. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, since Brooklyn is actually Kings County.... It stands to reason. Every King needs a Queen. Joy Rdpiet@aol.com wrote: >Queens anybody ?? > >Why Is Queens Called Queens? > >Sure, you can bet our borough is named for a Queen, but which one? Here's the >answer to Queens name. Queens, or western Long Island, was once called >Sewanhacky by the Algonquins. That name survives these days as Sewanhaka High >School, just over the border in Nassau County. > >More Algonquin and other Native American names survive in Queens like Maspeth >and Jamaica, which isn't named for the island. >How Did Queens Get Its Name? >More Queens Basics > > > > >

I did not send this to you. I am not quillpen1. ----- Original Message ----- From: "shirley skerritt" <sams31@sc.rr.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > Please, Please, Please change the subject line > > -----Original Message----- > From: gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of quillpen1 > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:30 PM > To: gen-nys@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > City Island sounds vaguely familiar but I can't "place" it. Please refresh > my memory. > > Maureen > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Rdpiet@aol.com> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the >> "Island" they meant Long Island >> >> And then we have City Island. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just had to reply to her "As the saying goes...you can take me out of New York, but you can't take New York out of me!" Ain't it the truth? Was b in NYC, and lived most of my adult life on Long Island. After I'd moved to Washington State in 1984, on my first flight "home," I had such a strong feeling well up in me as we flew over the city and LI to land at JFK. My emotions were screaming "It's my HOME!" and all the love and longing welled up in me. Funny, though, as soon as we landed, that feeling was all gone. But I still love it when I return, and though, now living in CA, I feel very happy and comfortable, I'm still a New Yorker. I guess we never lose that feeling for where we were born or grew up. I noticed a few months ago that over the years I've written 2 fiction tales and many brief memoirs of living in that Victorian mansion over Port Jeff harbor. Why? I wondered. Came across a fascinating book by Clare Cooper Marcus, House as a Mirror of the Self, Exploring the Deeper Meaning of Home. And isn't that, in a sense, why we do genealogy? To know our roots, where we came from? Jean - having "perched" happily in beautiful Washington state, and now in California.

Queens anybody ?? Why Is Queens Called Queens? Sure, you can bet our borough is named for a Queen, but which one? Here's the answer to Queens name. Queens, or western Long Island, was once called Sewanhacky by the Algonquins. That name survives these days as Sewanhaka High School, just over the border in Nassau County. More Algonquin and other Native American names survive in Queens like Maspeth and Jamaica, which isn't named for the island. How Did Queens Get Its Name? More Queens Basics

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Okay folks now you all know they both are used and from whence they came: Cheers. Bob The name Staten Island was given in honor of the States General in the Netherlands which sponsored the settlement of New Amsterdam. When the British took over New Amsterdam in 1664, Staten Island's name was changed to Richmond and we became among the first 10 counties of New York State in 1683. Today both names, Staten Island and Richmond, are used

Thank you . It is a help.. Does anyone know where the Erie Canal was being rebuilt from 1845 thru 1860? Grant

My mother was a 5th generation Brooklynite. Any time anyone referred to the "Island" it was always in reference to Long Island. It might well have been in another galaxy although there was no real geographical separation, it was a culture thing. Staten Island was always that...Staten Island. Frederick J Scheffler -----Original Message----- From: gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gen-nys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann O'Hara Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:34 AM To: gen-nys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden It was never on Staten Island. It was originally in a part of Long Island that later became part of Queens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? > Interesting? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >> Island (Long, that is). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> > My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >> > years. >> > >> > Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >> > >> > I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to > the >> > "Island" they meant Long Island. >> > >> > Maureen >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >> > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> > >> > >> >> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >> >> official >> >> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter > what >> >> it >> >> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >> >> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once > heard >> >> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >> >> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much >> >> history >> >> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact > that >> >> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >> >> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >> >> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York > State) >> >>> is >> >>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >> >>> City) >> >>> of >> >>> Staten Island. >> >>> >> >>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island >> >>>>was >> >>>>called >> >>> the Borough of Richmond. >> >>> >> >>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >> >>> >> >>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 > when >> >>> the >> >>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental >> >>> structure >> >>> in >> >>> all >> >>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >> >>> sub-divided >> >>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, > Dutchess, >> >>> Kings, >> >>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 1683 >> >>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1860 >> >>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of >> >>> Castleton >> >>> and >> >>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1866 >> >>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of >> >>> Castleton. >> >>> >> >>> 1872 >> >>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of > Castleton. >> >>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >> >>> Northfield, >> >>> Southfield and Westfield. >> >>> >> >>> 1898 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >> >>> County >> >>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the > City >> >>> of >> >>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City > of >> >>> Long >> >>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the > Rockaway >> >>> peninsula >> >>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >> >>> City. >> >>> >> >>> 1975 >> >>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains > coterminous >> >>> with >> >>> Richmond County. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >> >>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >> >>> >> >>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >> >>> >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> >> >>> Walter Greenspan >> >>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >> >>> >> >>> New York State is divided into counties. >> >>> >> >>> County >> >>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, > created >> >>> to >> >>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >> >>> divided >> >>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >> >>> >> >>> City >> >>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >> >>> Cities >> >>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Town >> >>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory >> >>> within >> >>> the >> >>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >> >>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >> >>> >> >>> Village >> >>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed > voluntarily >> >>> by >> >>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves > with >> >>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar >> >>> to >> >>> those of a >> >>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >> >>> geographic >> >>> areas. >> >>> >> >>> Hamlet >> >>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is > governed >> >>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >> >>> neighborhoods, >> >>> which >> >>> are informal geographic areas. >> >>> >> >>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >> >>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >> >>> established >> >>> by >> >>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >> >>> "Town" >> >>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >> >>> borders. >> >>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >> >>> hamlet >> >>> location. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >> >>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority >> >>> of >> >>> places have a >> >>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >> >>> where >> >>> that >> >>> place is actually located. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

City Island sounds vaguely familiar but I can't "place" it. Please refresh my memory. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rdpiet@aol.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the > "Island" they meant Long Island > > And then we have City Island. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There were spots--don't think it was the whole thing. Personally, I know of only one--Canastota, Madison County, NY Try Googling Erie Canal , History Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] Erie Canal > Thank you . It is a help.. Does anyone know where the Erie Canal was > being > rebuilt from 1845 thru 1860? Grant > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to the "Island" they meant Long Island And then we have City Island.

It's clear to me, Joy, especially the part about Long Islanders not considering Queens to be in LI...... because we never did when I was growing up. It has been a long time since I've been to the City (NY) except for business visits because all the relatives are gone now. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Weaver" <joyweave@verizon.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > OK, I've been following this thread as it gets more convoluted. Maybe I > can clarify (or confuse you more). > > Richmond Hill is in Queens County. It was always in Queens County. > Queens County is ON Long Island, but Long Islanders do not consider it > to be IN Long Island, because it has been part of New York City since > 1898 (or is that 1900?). > > Queens County used to stretch out to what is now the border of Suffolk > County, but in 1898/ 1900, Nassau County was carved out of it. Long > Islanders consider Nassau County and Suffolk County to comprise Long > Island. Queens and Brooklyn (which is also ON Long Island) are left out > because they are boroughs of New York City. > > Staten Island is Richmond County and also a borough of NY City. That > has nothing to do with Richmond Hill, unless they were maybe named for > the same person-- the Duke of Richmond?? > > Hope that's clearer, but I won't put money on it! > > Joy Weaver > > Ann O'Hara wrote: > >>It was never on Staten Island. It was originally in a part of Long Island >>that later became part of Queens. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> >>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:00 PM >>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >> >> >>>This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? >>>Interesting? >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM >>>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the >>>>Island (Long, that is). >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >>>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >>>>>years. >>>>> >>>>>Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >>>>> >>>>>I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to >>>>> >>>>> >>>the >>> >>> >>>>>"Island" they meant Long Island. >>>>> >>>>>Maureen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to track down a Patrick Donlon family. Migrated to US before 1847. Had a daughter born in Steuben County 1847 , another 1849 and a son 1852. The family does not show up in the 1850 , 1855, 1860 census for Steuben County but is there in 1865. Patrick had a brother John who was in Steuben County and it is possible that Patrick's wife Catherine went there to be with John's wife when Catherine was going to give birth. . Patrick as a family does not show up in PA , NJ , Conn or Mass census for 1850 or 1860 and does not appear per Census of 1850 and 1860 to be in NY. Could it be he was working on the Canal which was being rebuilt at the time? . What New York Counties would this have been? The NY census for 1855 must be check for each county. Any suggestions.... Grant

Thanks, Ann. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the > Island (Long, that is). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > >> My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many >> years. >> >> Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? >> >> I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to >> the >> "Island" they meant Long Island. >> >> Maureen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> >> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >> >> >>> This is very important information. Note the time periods that the >>> official >>> designation changed. And my previous comment holds true. No matter >>> what >>> it >>> was called legally, it's been called "Staten Island" locally since the >>> beginning. In my 35+-year residence in New York City, I never once >>> heard >>> anyone say "I live in Richmond." Naturally, when looking for official >>> records, it's important to know the legal designation, but much history >>> (including newspapers) would be missed if one is unaware of the fact >>> that >>> Richmond is known as Staten Island (a google search on "Staten Island >>> Genealogy" produces 113,000 sites). >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <Soyamaven@aol.com> >>> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:26 PM >>> Subject: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Currently, Richmond County (a political sub-division of New York State) >>>> is >>>> coterminous with the Borough (an administrative district of New York >>>> City) >>>> of >>>> Staten Island. >>>> >>>>>From 1898 to 1975, what is now called the Borough of Staten Island was >>>>>called >>>> the Borough of Richmond. >>>> >>>> Geographic History of Richmond County: >>>> >>>> Richmond County was one of the original 12 counties created in 1683 >>>> when >>>> the >>>> General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure >>>> in >>>> all >>>> of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was >>>> sub-divided >>>> into towns. (The other counties were Albany, Cornwall, Dukes, >>>> Dutchess, >>>> Kings, >>>> New York, Orange, Queens, Suffolk, Ulster and Westchester.) >>>> >>>> >>>> 1683 >>>> Richmond County created and includes 4 towns: Castleton, Northfield, >>>> Southfield and Westfield. >>>> >>>> 1860 >>>> The Town of Middletown is created from parts of the Towns of Castleton >>>> and >>>> Southfield. Richmond County now 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>>> Northfield, >>>> Southfield and Westfield. >>>> >>>> 1866 >>>> The Village of New Brighton incorporated within the Town of Castleton. >>>> >>>> 1872 >>>> Village of New Brighton becomes coterminous with the Town of Castleton. >>>> Richmond County still consists of 5 towns: Castleton, Middletown, >>>> Northfield, >>>> Southfield and Westfield. >>>> >>>> 1898 >>>> The Borough of Richmond is created and is coterminous with Richmond >>>> County >>>> following the consolidation of the City and County of New York, the >>>> City >>>> of >>>> Brooklyn/Kings County, the western-quarter of Queens County (the City >>>> of >>>> Long >>>> Island City, the Towns of Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica and the >>>> Rockaway >>>> peninsula >>>> of the Town of Hempstead) and Richmond County into the new New York >>>> City. >>>> >>>> 1975 >>>> The Borough of Richmond is renamed Staten Island and remains >>>> coterminous >>>> with >>>> Richmond County. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS >>>> definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone. >>>> >>>> I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Walter Greenspan >>>> Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY >>>> >>>> >>>> Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State >>>> >>>> New York State is divided into counties. >>>> >>>> County >>>> A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, >>>> created >>>> to >>>> perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are >>>> divided >>>> into cities, towns and Indian reservations. >>>> >>>> City >>>> A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. >>>> Cities >>>> are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal >>>> geographic >>>> areas. >>>> >>>> Town >>>> A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within >>>> the >>>> state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be >>>> sub-divided into villages and hamlets. >>>> >>>> Village >>>> A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily >>>> by >>>> the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves >>>> with >>>> municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to >>>> those of a >>>> city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal >>>> geographic >>>> areas. >>>> >>>> Hamlet >>>> A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is >>>> governed >>>> at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into >>>> neighborhoods, >>>> which >>>> are informal geographic areas. >>>> >>>> Postal Zone "City" and "Town" >>>> A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district >>>> established >>>> by >>>> the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and >>>> "Town" >>>> may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community >>>> borders. >>>> Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or >>>> hamlet >>>> location. >>>> >>>> >>>> Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of >>>> non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of >>>> places have a >>>> different community name in their mailing address than the community >>>> where >>>> that >>>> place is actually located. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fine. NYC is as I remember it. I thought old age had crept up on me since the days when I roamed Brooklyn and Queens and Staten Island too. Grant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Weaver" <joyweave@verizon.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > OK, I've been following this thread as it gets more convoluted. Maybe I > can clarify (or confuse you more). > > Richmond Hill is in Queens County. It was always in Queens County. > Queens County is ON Long Island, but Long Islanders do not consider it > to be IN Long Island, because it has been part of New York City since > 1898 (or is that 1900?). > > Queens County used to stretch out to what is now the border of Suffolk > County, but in 1898/ 1900, Nassau County was carved out of it. Long > Islanders consider Nassau County and Suffolk County to comprise Long > Island. Queens and Brooklyn (which is also ON Long Island) are left out > because they are boroughs of New York City. > > Staten Island is Richmond County and also a borough of NY City. That > has nothing to do with Richmond Hill, unless they were maybe named for > the same person-- the Duke of Richmond?? > > Hope that's clearer, but I won't put money on it! > > Joy Weaver > > Ann O'Hara wrote: > > >It was never on Staten Island. It was originally in a part of Long Island > >that later became part of Queens. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "E" <grel@ix.netcom.com> > >To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:00 PM > >Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > > > > > > > > > >>This one has me. How can an area move from Staten Island to Queens? > >>Interesting? > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Ann O'Hara" <yannster@ptd.net> > >>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:33 PM > >>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Oddly enough, it's in Queens now, although originally it was part of the > >>>Island (Long, that is). > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> > >>>To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> > >>>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] William Douglas Howden > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>My Mom grew up in Brooklyn and had relatives on Staten Island for many > >>>>years. > >>>> > >>>>Was Richmond Hills ca 1940 part of Staten Island?? > >>>> > >>>>I remember too as a little girl that when my NYC relatives referred to > >>>> > >>>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>>"Island" they meant Long Island. > >>>> > >>>>Maureen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message