In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:49:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Rdpiet@aol.com writes: Have you considered ordering her death record from NYC to clarify birth date and parents names for Josephine: Baxter Josephine 59 y Dec 11 1936 24540 Kings 1876 - 1877 ------------------------------- No I had not considered that..thank you, now I have 4 records to order tonight :-) ka-ching Thank you Joyce _http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/r/e/Joyce-Presnall/WEBSITE-0001/ UHP-Index.html_ (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/r/e/Joyce-Presnall/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-Index.html) My Gedcom site on Genealogy.com. Many Brooklyn names included in this info.

Have you considered ordering her death record from NYC to clarify birth date and parents names for Josephine: Baxter Josephine 59 y Dec 11 1936 24540 Kings 1876 - 1877

In a message dated 1/19/2007 4:18:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, User392423 writes: I am a bit unclear whether or not you are looking for her ancestry or something else. If so, was she originally Josephine HEALD or DAWSON? born when? RC Hi RC According to the records I have found about Josephine, she was born 1876 (most likely) possibly 1877 or 1878...I am sure I saw a census, probably after she married Sunol Baxter, that noted Nov 1876...Her birth name as far as I know was Josephine Dawson Heald,--She reports her marriage to my GGrandfather is her 1st husband--I cannot find her anywhere prior to 19 June 1901 (I am waiting for the marriage cert) when she married my GGrandfather. My GGrandfather died Aug 17, 1903 --his son, my Grandfather, was only about 3 weeks old, born on 30 July 1903. I have no idea how/why he died. After My GGrandfather died, (George Fleury) Josephine married Sunol Baxter, both of whom I have found on all available Fed Census, 1920 & 1930. I know where she was buried, Greenwood Cemetery, next to my GGrandfather.--no questions after 1910...just thought it would be nice to know what that organization was about. ( I like to know about folks, as well as statistics)... she was deputy State Councilor for Sons an Daughters of Liberty, for Council Hope #5, signed May 31, 1928...Her name at that point would have been (Josephine Dawson Heald FleuryBaxter)if you string all the names together. I am basically looking for any info on her prior to 1901 and anything that will give a clue about who her family was, where she was born etc. Just thought it would be interesting to find out more about the org as she was Deputy State Councilor... My GGGrandfather Robert D Fleury, was the printer, and his whole family was. I do not know where he was prior to 1870--He died in 1875 and I have all the family tracked since. I do not know where Robert D Fleury was. Sorry if I confused you, I am researching many folks on different levels...and plan to go back as far as I can...My GGGrandfather and GGGrandmother were born in Ireland...now THERE is gong to be a hunt LOL Thanks for allowing me to clarify the story Joyce _http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/r/e/Joyce-Presnall/WEBSITE-0001/ UHP-Index.html_ (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/r/e/Joyce-Presnall/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-Index.html) My Gedcom site on Genealogy.com. Many Brooklyn names included in this info.

I am a bit unclear whether or not you are looking for her ancestry or something else. If so, was she originally Josephine HEALD or DAWSON? born when? RC

This is part of my search for the elusive Josephine Dawson Heald...she was Baxter by this time I have searched the net for info, and have not found any. Any ideas on how to find info on this? Josephine Baxter was deputy State Councilor for Sons and Daughters of Liberty, for Council Hope #5, signed May 31, 1928 I am also looking for a printing firm in the vicinity of the Brooklyn Bridge (near the Navy Yard. I have checked all the printers for that area, and none are under my GGGrandfather's name (Robert D Fleury) I understand printing was sometimes like sweatshop work back then... the whole family at that time were printers, bookbinders, and bookfolders--so I am assuming they all worked at the same place. I am sorry how this post is coming out...I think it's AOL idea of improvement changes LOL _http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/r/e/Joyce-Presnall/WEBSITE-0001/ UHP-Index.html_ (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/r/e/Joyce-Presnall/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-Index.html) My Gedcom site on Genealogy.com. Many Brooklyn names included in this info.

I have just started putting the 2nd ward of this census online. I hope to have it completely online in a day or two. This ward includes 4,401 individuals in 530 dwellings and 906 families. Thanks to to the following transcribers who gave up their time to transcribe a difficult ward so others could get easier access to the census: Bob McConihe, Sharon King, Marie McConky, Terry Bora, Kay Brearton, Sharon Minkel and Shirley Becker. This ward was very difficult to read due to condition of the film, original document and the handwriting of the enumerators. Also, one enumerator could not spell even simple first names, let alone surnames, so please if you think your ancestor is in the census and you can't find them, use many many spellings of your surname. All names are transcribed as written, so if spelled incorrectly by the enumerator, they are transcribed that way. Also, remember while each page is checked by two transcribers, mistakes are made and you should never consider this work a source document. Always refer to the film or original record for accuracy. The 3rd and 4th wards are done and waiting for me to put them together and format them to get online. The 5th ward is currently being transcribed and we need more help. So, if anyone would like to help, please contact me off line. You can find the census links on the Troy section of my website, the url is under my name. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

please change my email address to irishgirl@localnet.com

PAGE 2 - NOTICE ON NEW DATA BASE - RENSSELAER COUNTY MARRIAGE INDEX NOTE: PAGE 1 OF NOTICE IS ON SEPARATE EMAIL I. The TIGS website has a PRINTABLE FORM that can be used to request copies from the Rensselaer County Clerk's Office. Mailing instructions and fees are on the request form. There are SEPARATE request forms for Volume 1 and Volume 2. Depending on the Marriage Record Number for Volume 2 names, you can request EITHER: a. Photocopy of the Affidavit For License To Marry and the Certificate And Record Of marriage IF the marriage record number is between 5001 and 7945. b. Photocopy of the Marriage Book entry IF the marriage record is between 7946 and 10,000. J. An example of two entries in the Record of Marriages Book is shown on the TIGS website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click on PROJECTS, then click on TIGS PROJECTS IN THE WORKS and then click "See Sample Record". The following information for the bride and the groom is shown in the Record of Marriages Book and in the primary source documents: 1. Name. 2. Residence. 3. Occupation. 4. Birthplace. 5. Color. 6. Age. 7. Number of Marriage. (first, second, etc.) 8. If Widowed or Divorced, Where & When. 9. Father's Name and Birthplace. 10. Mother's Name and Birthplace. 11. Consent By & Relationship (For Minors) 12. Date of License. 13. Date of Marriage. 14. Place of Marriage. 15. Official Performing Marriage & Profession. (Priest, Minister, Rabbi, etc) 16. Names of Witnesses. K. The original pages of the Marriage Index Book were scanned by TIGS members. The resulting pdf files were then sent to the volunteers working on the project as an attachment to an email, along with an Excel spreadsheet for data entry. This extensive data base was made possible by the following volunteers who did a fantastic job on Volume II, the second phase of this project. Please note that we had volunteers from all over the United States. Kristin Cooney-Ayotte - Troy, NY Kathleen Gallagher Brearton - New York State Beth Callanan - Washington, DC Tammy Casterlin - North Carolina Austin Fadden - Knoxville, TN Linda Christian-Herot - Newton, Mass. Lynn Carey Grice - New Paltz, NY Beth Hocking - Mass. Jeanne M. Keefe - Troy, NY Stephanie Kinney-Dewey - Ohio Marilyn Mahoney - Abington, Mass. Marialice P. Mangan Bob McConihe - Haverhill, Mass. Cathy McGrath - Clifton Park, NY Bill McGrath - Clifton Park, NY Joseph R. Murname - Williamson, NY Joe O'Brien - Bremerton, Washington Ltc. James L. Owens, USMC (Ret) Rockville, MD John J. Salamida - Albany, NY Jack Seppi Lizette Strait - New York State Candis Sunderland - Poughkeepsie, NY Ellen Tolan - Troy, NY Pam Trudeau - North Carolina Carol Waldron - Saratoga Springs, NY Eileen Callahan Werth - Plymouth Meeting, PA Donna Vaughn - New York State Formatting & webpage: Jeanne M. Keefe - Troy, NY L. We invite you to explore the TIGS website, http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ where you will find local history articles, resources and genealogy research tips as well as a number of free data bases. The TIGS mailing list, which is also free, is ideal for posting your Troy area genealogy queries. There are also some interesting photographs on the TIGS website from our group tours of the Gardner Earl Memorial Chapel at Oakwood Cemetery, the Burden Iron Works Museum and the Watervliet Arsenal Museum. To see these photographs click on "NEXT" on the first page of the website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ and then click on "TOURS" on the left side of the next screen. Also, you can search your surnames in the following additional records transcribed by TIGS members and other volunteers. These data bases are part of a continuing effort by the Troy Irish Genealogy Group to make available on line, Troy and other nearby area Irish AND non-Irish records, that may be of interest to genealogy researchers, especially those outside the Capital District Area. Burden Iron Company Steam Mill Payroll Records. (8,236 names) Troy Area Marriage Records. (1,448 names) Troy Area Death Records. (6,031 names) Index-History of the Troy Police Department. (668 names) Bank Officers in Troy Banks From 1801-1891. (299 names) Prominent Citizens of Troy, NY & Rensselaer County. (1,800 names) Representative Young Irish-Americans of Troy, NY - 1899 (400 names) Deceased Troy, NY Area Individuals Listed in 1902 City Directory (700 names) (Note: Another 700 death records from the 1903 City Directory will shortly be added to this database) Alderman/Assistants In Troy, NY (1,400 names) M. The next step in the Marriage Index Project will be Volume III, which is another 5,000 records and 10,000 names. Volume III covers Rensselaer County marriages from May 1918 to April 1920. If you want to be added to the list of volunteer transcribers, send an email off list to: seamus@nycap.rr.com with your name, address and telephone number. You will be contacted when work on Volume III starts in a few months time. N. TIGS would like to hear from you if this marriage index was helpful in your family research. Regards, Bill McGrath TIGS Project Coordinator Clifton Park, NY

You don't include years included in the announcement--could you? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cathy McGrath" <seamus@nycap.rr.com> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:27 AM Subject: [GEN-NYS] New Data Base > PAGE 1 - NOTICE ON NEW DATA BASE > RENSSELAER COUNTY MARRIAGE INDEX > > NOTE: PAGE 2 OF NOTICE IS ON SEPARATE EMAIL > > ANNOUNCING NEW DATABASE: > MARRIAGE INDEX FOR > RENSSELAER COUNTY, NEW YORK > > In addition to the Troy Irish Genealogy Society mailing list, this message > is also being sent to the following genealogy mailing lists: > > MAILING LIST COVERS > Rensselaer County List - Research in Rensselaer County. > Albany County List - Research in Albany County. > Schenectady County List - Research in Schenectady County. > Saratoga County List - Research in Saratoga County. > Genealogy NYS List - Research in New York State. > Chenango County List - Research in Chenango County. > NY-Hudson River List - Research in counties bordering > Hudson River; > (Rockland, Orange, > Ulster, Greene, Albany, > Rensselaer, > Columbia, Dutchess, Putnam > Westchester) & > Schenectady County. > NY-RollCall List - Research on New York State > kin. > NY-Mohawk Valley List - Research in Mohawk Valley Region of > NYS, > covers Albany, > Fulton, Herkimer, Madison, > Montgomery, > Oneida, Otsego, > Schenectady & > Schoharie Counties. > NY-WarWashSar List - Research in Warren, Washington and > Saratoga > Counties. > NYC-Roots List - Research in New York City. > New York List - Research in New York State > where County is > unknown. > Irish-NY-Troy List - Research of Irish Ancestry in > City of Troy, > Rensselaer County, > New York. > NY-Irish List - Research on Irish > immigrants who landed, > lived in or passed > through New York State. > NY-Southern List - Research in Southern counties > of New York, > covers Broome, > Bronx, Columbia, > Delaware, > Dutchess, Greene, Kings, > Nassau, New York, > Orange, Queens, > Putnam, Richmond, > Rockland, Suffolk, > Sullivan, Tioga, > Ulster & Westchester > Columbia County List - Research in Columbia County. > Westchester County List - Research in Westchester County. > Dutchess County List - Research in Dutchess County. > Schoharie County List - Research in Schoharie County. > > > > A. The message can be forwarded to other lists where you feel it would be > appropriate. If posted to any other lists, please copy: > seamus@nycap.rr.com > > B. The largest project the Troy Irish Genealogy Society has undertaken > so far is the automation of the Rensselaer County Marriage Index. This 10 > Volume Marriage Index of Rensselaer County marriages, from 1908 to 1935, > has over 60,000 names. Volume I (January 1908-April 1913) with its 5,000 > marriages and 10,000 names, was added to the TIGS website on June 13, > 2006. Volume II, (April 1913-May 1918) with another 5,000 marriages and > 10,000 names has now been completed and is now on-line on the TIGS > website. > > C. You can view these marriage records by going to the Troy Irish > Genealogy website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ and click on > TIGS PROJECTS. It should be noted that these records, like most of the > TIGS data series, cover the general population in the area and are NOT > restricted to Irish surnames. > > D. If you are researching relatives with a RENSSELAER COUNTY, NY area > connection, you will be interested in these two on-line, name searchable, > records of 20,000 names of local residents who were married in Rensselaer > County, New York. If you live in a nearby county or even further away, you > might want to check out the data base. There are also marriages in the > data base where both individuals lived in Albany County or other nearby > counties, and where some individuals lived in other states, especially > Massachusetts and Vermont, or even foreign countries. One record even > was for a bride and groom who both lived in Pennsylvania. You may even > find an earlier marriage that you were unaware of. Take a look at the > data base, you never know what you will find. > > E. In order to appreciate the marriage index on the TIGS website, you > need an understanding of the set up of the Marriage Index book at the > County Clerk's Office. All marriages, along with complete detailed > information on the bride and groom and their parents, were first entered > into the Record of Marriages Book. Brides and Grooms names were then > posted to the Marriage INDEX Book which served as a locating device to > find the complete record in the Record of Marriages Book itself. Without > the Marriage Index, you could not easily locate a name in the Record of > Marriages Book. The Marriage Index Book has SEPARATE pages of data for > Brides and SEPARATE pages of data for Grooms. For example, for the letter > "A", there is a page of Brides names beginning with "A" and ANOTHER page > of Grooms names beginning with the letter "A". The data on each page is > limited to the first and last name, a page reference number, a marriage > license number and the date of the marriage. Names of SPO! > USES are NOT linked together in the index. The only linkage to the spouse > in the Marriage Index is the marriage number. > > F. The TIGS data base has greatly improved the usefulness of the Marriage > Index as follows: > > 1. By using the marriage number, the TIGS Marriage Index now links the > names of > the brides AND the grooms on ONE LINE of data, thus providing a much > more > useful research tool. > > 2. Some entries in the Record of Marriages Book were never posted to the > Marriage > Index Book. These missing records were identified by TIGS workers > and added > to the TIGS Marriage Index. > > 3. A number of records in the Marriage Index showed only INITIALS for > either the > bride or the groom. In many cases TIGS workers were able to > determine the > ACTUAL names from the original source documents and added them to > the TIGS > data base. > > 4. Several records for grooms names were originally posted to the brides > pages of the > Marriage Index Book and a number of brides names were posted to the > grooms > pages of the Marriage Index Book. TIGS workers corrected these > errors in > developing the TIGS index. > > 5. A number of transcribing errors when the Marriage Index Book was > created were > discovered by TIGS workers and corrected. > > 6. Last but not least, the TIGS Marriage Index is in strict alphabetical > order unlike the > original index. For example, on the original index, you may have > four or more > lengthy pages of Grooms names ALL beginning with the first two > letters "Ma" and > in no order whatsoever. > > G. In using the TIGS Marriage Index data base, keep in mind the > following: > > 1. Handwriting in some cases was very difficult to read and there could > be some > problems with spelling. > > 2. At times, the original posting to the Marriage Index Book showed the > marriage > filing data instead of the date of the marriage. This is especially > true for most of the > entries in Volume II of the Marriage Index. > > 3. Remember, the TIGS index is a transcription of the Marriage Index > Book and > NOT the Record of Marriages Book itself. It is always possible that > the original > source documents, the Affidavit For License To Marry, the > Certificate And > Record of Marriage and the Certificate of Consent, (for minors), > were not posted > correctly to the Record of Marriages Book, or that entries in the > Record of > Marriages Book were not posted correctly to the Marriage Index Book, > or that > TIGS transcribers misread the handwriting. If there is a question > on any entry, the > actual source documents at the County Clerk's Office would have to > be > referenced. > > H. In working on Volume 2 of the Marriage Index it was discovered that a > number of boxes of the original records could not be located. Extensive > searching has yet to locate these records. Photocopies of the original > Volume 2 marriage documents, therefore, are available ONLY for marriages > numbered from 5001 to 7945. For marriage numbers from 7946 to 10,000, the > only item available will be a photocopy of the full detailed record that > was posted to the Marriage Record Book FROM the original documents. (To > view a copy of the Marriage Book Record, see J. below). The County > Clerk's Office has agreed to provide a photocopy of the Marriage Record > Book entry for those names where the original documents are not available. > In order to copy the record this very heavy and large book (13 x 19) has > to be moved from the basement vault and taken to a photocopier on the > first floor > > SEE PAGE 2 OF NOTICE ON SEPARATE EMAIL > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

PAGE 2 - NOTICE ON NEW DATA BASE - RENSSELAER COUNTY MARRIAGE INDEX NOTE: PAGE 1 OF NOTICE IS ON SEPARATE EMAIL I. The TIGS website has a PRINTABLE FORM that can be used to request copies from the Rensselaer County Clerk's Office. Mailing instructions and fees are on the request form. There are SEPARATE request forms for Volume 1 and Volume 2. Depending on the Marriage Record Number for Volume 2 names, you can request EITHER: a. Photocopy of the Affidavit For License To Marry and the Certificate And Record Of marriage IF the marriage record number is between 5001 and 7945. b. Photocopy of the Marriage Book entry IF the marriage record is between 7946 and 10,000. J. An example of two entries in the Record of Marriages Book is shown on the TIGS website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Click on PROJECTS, then click on TIGS PROJECTS IN THE WORKS and then click "See Sample Record". The following information for the bride and the groom is shown in the Record of Marriages Book and in the primary source documents: 1. Name. 2. Residence. 3. Occupation. 4. Birthplace. 5. Color. 6. Age. 7. Number of Marriage. (first, second, etc.) 8. If Widowed or Divorced, Where & When. 9. Father's Name and Birthplace. 10. Mother's Name and Birthplace. 11. Consent By & Relationship (For Minors) 12. Date of License. 13. Date of Marriage. 14. Place of Marriage. 15. Official Performing Marriage & Profession. (Priest, Minister, Rabbi, etc) 16. Names of Witnesses. K. The original pages of the Marriage Index Book were scanned by TIGS members. The resulting pdf files were then sent to the volunteers working on the project as an attachment to an email, along with an Excel spreadsheet for data entry. This extensive data base was made possible by the following volunteers who did a fantastic job on Volume II, the second phase of this project. Please note that we had volunteers from all over the United States. Kristin Cooney-Ayotte - Troy, NY Kathleen Gallagher Brearton - New York State Beth Callanan - Washington, DC Tammy Casterlin - North Carolina Austin Fadden - Knoxville, TN Linda Christian-Herot - Newton, Mass. Lynn Carey Grice - New Paltz, NY Beth Hocking - Mass. Jeanne M. Keefe - Troy, NY Stephanie Kinney-Dewey - Ohio Marilyn Mahoney - Abington, Mass. Marialice P. Mangan Bob McConihe - Haverhill, Mass. Cathy McGrath - Clifton Park, NY Bill McGrath - Clifton Park, NY Joseph R. Murname - Williamson, NY Joe O'Brien - Bremerton, Washington Ltc. James L. Owens, USMC (Ret) Rockville, MD John J. Salamida - Albany, NY Jack Seppi Lizette Strait - New York State Candis Sunderland - Poughkeepsie, NY Ellen Tolan - Troy, NY Pam Trudeau - North Carolina Carol Waldron - Saratoga Springs, NY Eileen Callahan Werth - Plymouth Meeting, PA Donna Vaughn - New York State Formatting & webpage: Jeanne M. Keefe - Troy, NY L. We invite you to explore the TIGS website, http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ where you will find local history articles, resources and genealogy research tips as well as a number of free data bases. The TIGS mailing list, which is also free, is ideal for posting your Troy area genealogy queries. There are also some interesting photographs on the TIGS website from our group tours of the Gardner Earl Memorial Chapel at Oakwood Cemetery, the Burden Iron Works Museum and the Watervliet Arsenal Museum. To see these photographs click on "NEXT" on the first page of the website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ and then click on "TOURS" on the left side of the next screen. Also, you can search your surnames in the following additional records transcribed by TIGS members and other volunteers. These data bases are part of a continuing effort by the Troy Irish Genealogy Group to make available on line, Troy and other nearby area Irish AND non-Irish records, that may be of interest to genealogy researchers, especially those outside the Capital District Area. Burden Iron Company Steam Mill Payroll Records. (8,236 names) Troy Area Marriage Records. (1,448 names) Troy Area Death Records. (6,031 names) Index-History of the Troy Police Department. (668 names) Bank Officers in Troy Banks From 1801-1891. (299 names) Prominent Citizens of Troy, NY & Rensselaer County. (1,800 names) Representative Young Irish-Americans of Troy, NY - 1899 (400 names) Deceased Troy, NY Area Individuals Listed in 1902 City Directory (700 names) (Note: Another 700 death records from the 1903 City Directory will shortly be added to this database) Alderman/Assistants In Troy, NY (1,400 names) M. The next step in the Marriage Index Project will be Volume III, which is another 5,000 records and 10,000 names. Volume III covers Rensselaer County marriages from May 1918 to April 1920. If you want to be added to the list of volunteer transcribers, send an email off list to: seamus@nycap.rr.com with your name, address and telephone number. You will be contacted when work on Volume III starts in a few months time. N. TIGS would like to hear from you if this marriage index was helpful in your family research. Regards, Bill McGrath TIGS Project Coordinator Clifton Park, NY

PAGE 1 - NOTICE ON NEW DATA BASE RENSSELAER COUNTY MARRIAGE INDEX NOTE: PAGE 2 OF NOTICE IS ON SEPARATE EMAIL ANNOUNCING NEW DATABASE: MARRIAGE INDEX FOR RENSSELAER COUNTY, NEW YORK In addition to the Troy Irish Genealogy Society mailing list, this message is also being sent to the following genealogy mailing lists: MAILING LIST COVERS Rensselaer County List - Research in Rensselaer County. Albany County List - Research in Albany County. Schenectady County List - Research in Schenectady County. Saratoga County List - Research in Saratoga County. Genealogy NYS List - Research in New York State. Chenango County List - Research in Chenango County. NY-Hudson River List - Research in counties bordering Hudson River; (Rockland, Orange, Ulster, Greene, Albany, Rensselaer, Columbia, Dutchess, Putnam Westchester) & Schenectady County. NY-RollCall List - Research on New York State kin. NY-Mohawk Valley List - Research in Mohawk Valley Region of NYS, covers Albany, Fulton, Herkimer, Madison, Montgomery, Oneida, Otsego, Schenectady & Schoharie Counties. NY-WarWashSar List - Research in Warren, Washington and Saratoga Counties. NYC-Roots List - Research in New York City. New York List - Research in New York State where County is unknown. Irish-NY-Troy List - Research of Irish Ancestry in City of Troy, Rensselaer County, New York. NY-Irish List - Research on Irish immigrants who landed, lived in or passed through New York State. NY-Southern List - Research in Southern counties of New York, covers Broome, Bronx, Columbia, Delaware, Dutchess, Greene, Kings, Nassau, New York, Orange, Queens, Putnam, Richmond, Rockland, Suffolk, Sullivan, Tioga, Ulster & Westchester Columbia County List - Research in Columbia County. Westchester County List - Research in Westchester County. Dutchess County List - Research in Dutchess County. Schoharie County List - Research in Schoharie County. A. The message can be forwarded to other lists where you feel it would be appropriate. If posted to any other lists, please copy: seamus@nycap.rr.com B. The largest project the Troy Irish Genealogy Society has undertaken so far is the automation of the Rensselaer County Marriage Index. This 10 Volume Marriage Index of Rensselaer County marriages, from 1908 to 1935, has over 60,000 names. Volume I (January 1908-April 1913) with its 5,000 marriages and 10,000 names, was added to the TIGS website on June 13, 2006. Volume II, (April 1913-May 1918) with another 5,000 marriages and 10,000 names has now been completed and is now on-line on the TIGS website. C. You can view these marriage records by going to the Troy Irish Genealogy website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ and click on TIGS PROJECTS. It should be noted that these records, like most of the TIGS data series, cover the general population in the area and are NOT restricted to Irish surnames. D. If you are researching relatives with a RENSSELAER COUNTY, NY area connection, you will be interested in these two on-line, name searchable, records of 20,000 names of local residents who were married in Rensselaer County, New York. If you live in a nearby county or even further away, you might want to check out the data base. There are also marriages in the data base where both individuals lived in Albany County or other nearby counties, and where some individuals lived in other states, especially Massachusetts and Vermont, or even foreign countries. One record even was for a bride and groom who both lived in Pennsylvania. You may even find an earlier marriage that you were unaware of. Take a look at the data base, you never know what you will find. E. In order to appreciate the marriage index on the TIGS website, you need an understanding of the set up of the Marriage Index book at the County Clerk's Office. All marriages, along with complete detailed information on the bride and groom and their parents, were first entered into the Record of Marriages Book. Brides and Grooms names were then posted to the Marriage INDEX Book which served as a locating device to find the complete record in the Record of Marriages Book itself. Without the Marriage Index, you could not easily locate a name in the Record of Marriages Book. The Marriage Index Book has SEPARATE pages of data for Brides and SEPARATE pages of data for Grooms. For example, for the letter "A", there is a page of Brides names beginning with "A" and ANOTHER page of Grooms names beginning with the letter "A". The data on each page is limited to the first and last name, a page reference number, a marriage license number and the date of the marriage. Names of SPOUSES are NOT linked together in the index. The only linkage to the spouse in the Marriage Index is the marriage number. F. The TIGS data base has greatly improved the usefulness of the Marriage Index as follows: 1. By using the marriage number, the TIGS Marriage Index now links the names of the brides AND the grooms on ONE LINE of data, thus providing a much more useful research tool. 2. Some entries in the Record of Marriages Book were never posted to the Marriage Index Book. These missing records were identified by TIGS workers and added to the TIGS Marriage Index. 3. A number of records in the Marriage Index showed only INITIALS for either the bride or the groom. In many cases TIGS workers were able to determine the ACTUAL names from the original source documents and added them to the TIGS data base. 4. Several records for grooms names were originally posted to the brides pages of the Marriage Index Book and a number of brides names were posted to the grooms pages of the Marriage Index Book. TIGS workers corrected these errors in developing the TIGS index. 5. A number of transcribing errors when the Marriage Index Book was created were discovered by TIGS workers and corrected. 6. Last but not least, the TIGS Marriage Index is in strict alphabetical order unlike the original index. For example, on the original index, you may have four or more lengthy pages of Grooms names ALL beginning with the first two letters "Ma" and in no order whatsoever. G. In using the TIGS Marriage Index data base, keep in mind the following: 1. Handwriting in some cases was very difficult to read and there could be some problems with spelling. 2. At times, the original posting to the Marriage Index Book showed the marriage filing data instead of the date of the marriage. This is especially true for most of the entries in Volume II of the Marriage Index. 3. Remember, the TIGS index is a transcription of the Marriage Index Book and NOT the Record of Marriages Book itself. It is always possible that the original source documents, the Affidavit For License To Marry, the Certificate And Record of Marriage and the Certificate of Consent, (for minors), were not posted correctly to the Record of Marriages Book, or that entries in the Record of Marriages Book were not posted correctly to the Marriage Index Book, or that TIGS transcribers misread the handwriting. If there is a question on any entry, the actual source documents at the County Clerk's Office would have to be referenced. H. In working on Volume 2 of the Marriage Index it was discovered that a number of boxes of the original records could not be located. Extensive searching has yet to locate these records. Photocopies of the original Volume 2 marriage documents, therefore, are available ONLY for marriages numbered from 5001 to 7945. For marriage numbers from 7946 to 10,000, the only item available will be a photocopy of the full detailed record that was posted to the Marriage Record Book FROM the original documents. (To view a copy of the Marriage Book Record, see J. below). The County Clerk's Office has agreed to provide a photocopy of the Marriage Record Book entry for those names where the original documents are not available. In order to copy the record this very heavy and large book (13 x 19) has to be moved from the basement vault and taken to a photocopier on the first floor SEE PAGE 2 OF NOTICE ON SEPARATE EMAIL

Reuben's will was made 28 Apr 1849. He mentions wife Silvey, daughters Deborah Millard, Olive Cole, Roxanne Steere, Elizabeth Irons, and sons Samuel, Thomas, Albert and William. Anyone having knowledge of his descendants is asked to contact me. Thanks. Marty Irons k2mi@frontiernet.net All e-mail scanned by Norton 2005 anti-virus, updated online daily. May all your ancestors YELL at you, telling you how and where to find them. PS: great great grandfather John F IRONS.... b. 1811 "somewhere"....possibly Otsego County NY or ....possibly Rhode Island m. 1834 Hartwick, Otsego, NY d. 1854 Cazenovia, Madison, NY.... please stand up on that brick wall and yell out the names I've sought since 1993....LOUDER! Who were your parents? Were they from RI? Where were you born? Was it Otsego County NY? RI? Did you have a brother named Orlando? Who were your other siblings?

Hello List Administrator: Is it possible to release my Friday January 11 email on the New Data Base-Rensselaer County Marriage Index on the Gen NYS List. Apparently its size prevented it from being posted automatically and the List Administrator has to release it. Thanks, Bill McGrath Clifton Park, NY

For anyone researching surname IRONS of central NY, a listing of tombstones in the Field family cemetery about one-half mile NE of Hartwick, Otsego County, NY contains the following IRONS entries. Males: Albert, Asa, Reuben, Sephus, Thomas, Thomas R Females: Huldah, Nancy, Rebecca, Ruth, Silva Children: Marion, Nancy, Roxany Other surnames: Bishop Bliss Burlington Cook Crosby Field Hubbard Lippitt Norton Thornton Wells Wheler Full details on the above can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyotsego/cemetery/fieldcemeteryhartwick.htm This listing was provided by Doris Irons Treadway. If you recognize any Irons names in this cemetery listing, please contact me direct or via the list. Marty Irons k2mi@frontiernet.net All e-mail scanned by Norton 2005 anti-virus, updated online daily. May all your ancestors YELL at you, telling you how and where to find them. PS: great great grandfather John F IRONS.... b. 1811 "somewhere"....possibly Otsego County NY or ....possibly Rhode Island m. 1834 Hartwick, Otsego, NY d. 1854 Cazenovia, Madison, NY.... please stand up on that brick wall and yell out the names I've sought since 1993....LOUDER! Who were your parents? Were they from RI? Where were you born? Was it Otsego County NY? RI? Did you have a brother named Orlando? Who were your other siblings?

According to an article in today's (Wednesday, January 10) NEWSDAY, "Geoffrey Fleming, director of the Southold Historical Society, didn't know what to expect when he opened an unsolicited package from an antiques dealer in Virginia. He was pleasantly surprised to find a photograph and description of a powder horn made in Southold around the time of the Revolutionary War, marked with the initials of its maker." The article continues, "And the rare Southold connection wasn't the only attraction. The full inscription reads "Conkling - Made at Southold - Made by GB." So Fleming said he realized that it was owned by a member of one of the town's earliest and most prominent families (in the family whose name has also been spelled Concklin, Concklyne, and Conklin)." For the complete article, "Tooting the horn of a revolutionary relic", please go to (you'll most probably need to MANUALLY copy and paste the entire URL into your browser to access the article): http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-lihorn085046419jan10,0, 1851266.story?coll=ny-linews-print It is important to know that there are 3 "Southolds" (from smallest to largest, in order of acreage): 1. There is the Hamlet of Southold; 2. There is the Southold, NY 11971 postal zone, and it includes the Hamlet of Southold and parts of other surrounding hamlets within its service area; and, 3. There is the Town of Southold, and it includes one village and 10 hamlets as well as the Southold, NY 11971 postal zone and other postal zones, within its borders. The pertinent geography: Southold is a hamlet (an unincorporated area) in the center of the Town of Southold, in the northeast part of Suffolk County. There are 1 village (municipal corporation) and 10 hamlets (unincorporated areas) in the Town of Southold. There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk County. There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County. (I'm including after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, town, village, hamlet and postal zone.) Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold is bordered on the north by Long Island Sound; on the east by the Hamlet of Greenport West; on the south by the Little Peconic Bay; and, on the west by the Hamlet of Peconic. And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 32 villages and 125 hamlets), the Hamlet of Southold has a different border than does the "Southold, NY 11971" postal zone (i.e., a place can have a Southold mailing address and not be in Southold and a place can have other than a Southold mailing address and be in Southold). Those places that have a "Southold, NY" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Southold are in the Hamlet of West Greenport; and, at the same time, there are places in the Hamlet of Southold with a "Peconic, NY 11958" mailing address. For those who have their copy of the 2005 or earlier edition of the LI Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to access and download the report), you'll find the Hamlet of Southold in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County on pages 15 & 30 (map) and 31 (population estimate). I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State New York State is divided into counties. County A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to perform state functions; a "regional" government. All counties are divided into cities, towns and Indian reservations. City A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter. Cities are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Town A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the state except that within cities or Indian reservations. Towns can be sub-divided into villages and hamlets. Village A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with municipal services. The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a city. A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Hamlet A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed at-large by the town(s) it is in. A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic areas. Postal Zone "City" and "Town" A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail. Postal zone "City" and "Town" may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders. Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet location. Please be aware: In many areas of New York State, the problem of non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

Up another brick road... Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Weaver" <joyweave@verizon.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] Marguerite Yakel / Yakal > The Albany parents were Leonard and Eliza and that Maggie was ten years > older than yours would be. I don't think those were the parents someone > found for you in Haverstraw, so I guess it's another Maggie. > > Joy > > Jean Barber wrote: > >>Joy I rechecked my papers from Albany and they list my fathers mother as >>Maggie. No last name. Just Maggie. Do you suppose the Yakals were living >>in >>Albany before Haverstraw? Life was casual back then. Jean >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Albany parents were Leonard and Eliza and that Maggie was ten years older than yours would be. I don't think those were the parents someone found for you in Haverstraw, so I guess it's another Maggie. Joy Jean Barber wrote: >Joy I rechecked my papers from Albany and they list my fathers mother as >Maggie. No last name. Just Maggie. Do you suppose the Yakals were living in >Albany before Haverstraw? Life was casual back then. Jean > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <coomber@usadatanet.net> >To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:35 AM >Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] Marguerite Yakel / Yakal > > > > >>Joy Weaver wrote: >> >> >>>Out of curiosity, I checked those censuses (censi?) and she lived in New >>>Rochelle in 1900, 1910, 1920. In 1930, she and her husband were gone, >>>but her son with his wife were still in New Rochelle. >>> >>>This doesn't help figure out where she and her parents were before 1900, >>>though. She should have been in the 1880 census if born in NY as she >>>reports in all those censuses in 1875-1878 range. >>> >>>Could she have lied about her age? There's a Maggie Yakel in Albany in >>>the 1880 census, born in 1868 of parents from Wurtenburg. >>> >>>Joy >>> >>>quillpen1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > >

The Albany parents were Leonard and Eliza and that Maggie was ten years older than yours would be. I don't think those were the parents someone found for you in Haverstraw, so I guess it's another Maggie. Joy Jean Barber wrote: >Joy I rechecked my papers from Albany and they list my fathers mother as >Maggie. No last name. Just Maggie. Do you suppose the Yakals were living in >Albany before Haverstraw? Life was casual back then. Jean > > > > > >

Joy I rechecked my papers from Albany and they list my fathers mother as Maggie. No last name. Just Maggie. Do you suppose the Yakals were living in Albany before Haverstraw? Life was casual back then. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <coomber@usadatanet.net> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] Marguerite Yakel / Yakal > Joy Weaver wrote: >> Out of curiosity, I checked those censuses (censi?) and she lived in New >> Rochelle in 1900, 1910, 1920. In 1930, she and her husband were gone, >> but her son with his wife were still in New Rochelle. >> >> This doesn't help figure out where she and her parents were before 1900, >> though. She should have been in the 1880 census if born in NY as she >> reports in all those censuses in 1875-1878 range. >> >> Could she have lied about her age? There's a Maggie Yakel in Albany in >> the 1880 census, born in 1868 of parents from Wurtenburg. >> >> Joy >> >> quillpen1 wrote: >> >> >>> I know what you mean about waiting for Albany. >>> >>> Thankfully most of the death certificates I sent for so far were from >>> local >>> municipalities in Westchester, one in Dutchess, and one in the City of >>> NY....all were in my mailbox in less than 2 weeks. >>> >>> Odd that the censuses didn't show something. Is it possible that she >>> died in >>> New Rochelle but didn't LIVE in New Rochelle?? My great grandfather >>> George >>> Washington Smith lived in Ossining but died in a Veterans' Parade in >>> Rochester. If I hadn't known that he didn't actually live there, I could >>> have been looking in the wrong censuses. >>> >>> Maureen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jean Barber" <mushroomhill@comcast.net> >>> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:25 AM >>> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] Marguerite Yakel / Yakal >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for answering Maureen. I have had no luck with the census and >>>> have >>>> not found a death certificate.It took 17 months just to get my fathers >>>> info >>>> >>> >from NY State.That set me back for a long time. Jean >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "quillpen1" <quillpen1@optonline.net> >>>> To: <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:02 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] Marguerite Yakel / Yakal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jean, Have you checked the censuses?? What does her death certificate >>>>> say?? >>>>> After you find out from the censuses when they "dropped off" you can >>>>> try >>>>> the >>>>> local cemeteries in Westchester. >>>>> >>>>> Maureen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jean Barber" <mushroomhill@comcast.net> >>>>> To: "gen nys" <gen-nys@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:25 PM >>>>> Subject: [GEN-NYS] Marguerite Yakel / Yakal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> My gmother Marguerite Yakel or Yakal born Oct. 1878 in >>>>>> Haverstraw,N.Y. >>>>>> died March 1953 in New Rochelle,N.Y. married to John Martin Larkin >>>>>> born >>>>>> Sept. 1875. Her parents are listed as German born. I need help in >>>>>> finding >>>>>> her parents in Haverstraw and when they came over from Germany. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > I would suggest that you people who are talking between yourselves do > so off list unless what you have to say is of general interest. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, that would be her brother,Rev. Grant Robinson. I'd appreciate the information,Thank You very much! Tim -------Original Message------- From: Dick Hillenbrand Date: 01/08/07 17:30:39 To: gen-nys@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEN-NYS] Death Index I found a newspaper obit for what appears to be her brother Grant who died in 1951. Do you want the information? Dick Hillenbrand On 1/8/07, Diane <ladydiane@catskill.net> wrote: > > Hi, > If anyone could help me out I'd be eternally grateful.I tried to obtain my > great grandmother's death certificate and got back the wrong person,with a > note stating she was the only one listed.If anyone is going to look at the > Death index would you see if you can find her listed,please? > Name is: Mildred Lasher(maiden name was Robinson).She died in the town of > Middletown,Del county.Date of Death should be between 1952-1962.Spouse was > Egbert Lasher.I know where she is buried,but there is no marker, and > cemetery records were lost.There should be one on file so I'm wondering if > she could have been mis-spelled? > Thank You very much. > Tim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy (UNYG.com) website: http://www.unyg.com (note new url) blog: http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-NYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message