>Please direct me to the site that has the NEW YORK WILLS TESTATORS INDEX >FROM 1836-1906. I didn't bookmark the site when I visited it earlier. Here it is... http://www.wasatch.com/~dsam/sampubco Kelvin Kean

>The real true Brooklynites still believe that the Dodgers are just on a >VERY >long road trip! Aren't they? Kelvin Kean

I am also a transplanted (and homesick) soul with roots in all 5 boroughs, and in the neighboring counties. Everybody, when I was growing up said that they were going to the "city", meaning Manhattan. Someone going elsewhere in the municipality would say "I'm going to The Bronx, Brooklyn etc. I am not sure whether The City of New York is unique in the US in that there are 5 separate counties existing within one city government. By the way, true Brooklynites do indeed believe they are still a separate city. The real true Brooklynites still believe that the Dodgers are just on a VERY long road trip! Rodger "Dodger" Beyer

Thanks for the update on the Borough of Staten Island... I guess it's time for me to get a new almanac!! It just gets funner and funner!!!!! Here's a neat map on the formation of the counties: http://www.academic.marist.edu/ssp97/animated.htm Cheers!!! Larry

Please direct me to the site that has the NEW YORK WILLS TESTATORS INDEX FROM 1836-1906. I didn't bookmark the site when I visited it earlier. Pat Baird

>And Staten Island???? ain't no such place.. Not quite true. The island was there about two weeks ago when I drove by <G>. Actually, Staten Island is the geographical name of the island and will remain that way until the end of time, like Cape Canaveral is still Cape Canaveral even though great efforts were made in the '60's to rename it Cape Kennedy. And the name of the borough on Staten Island is, if I'm not mistaken, the Borough of Staten Island today. For many years, until some time in the late '70's or early '80's it was the Borough and Richmond and the County of Richmond, but the residents developed such a complex about using the name Richmond, which most non-residents didn't recognize, including many other New Yorkers, that they changed the name to the Borough of Staten Island in the County of Richmond. This parallels the names used for Manhattan--the Borough of Manhattan, on Manhattan Island in the County of New York. Now does everyone have that straight. There'll be a test in the morning at 6:00 AM EDT and all who can remember, get to send an email to their NYC friends and gloat. Cheers, Kelvin Kean Elverson, Pennsylvania (in the Town of Warwick and County of Chester) (and an 18 year resident of Manhattan from 1960 through 1978.) I'll bet you can't find Elverson!

This may be a silly question, but could someone tell what exactly wills testators are? I am pretty new to genealogy and the list and would like to know how this would help someone in their search for their ancestors. I did go to the URL below but still not understanding it. Would like to benefit from these to if I can! Barb in Surrey BC -----Original Message----- From: Kelvin L. Kean [SMTP:kelvin@voicenet.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:26 PM To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: URL for Wills Index >Please direct me to the site that has the NEW YORK WILLS TESTATORS INDEX >FROM 1836-1906. I didn't bookmark the site when I visited it earlier. Here it is... http://www.wasatch.com/~dsam/sampubco Kelvin Kean ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== Have you seen the USGenWeb New York Page? http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/

"Larry Corbett" <lrcorbet@gisco.net> wrote: <snip> >And Staten Island???? ain't no such place... Richmond Borough, Richmond >County.... no wonder they want to secede from both the City AND the State. >You can't there from here without paying a toll, on the ferry, or on the >Verrazzano Bridge... unless you have a good boat or can swim. And Staten >Island is right snug against Jersey. <snip> A few minor corrections: As of about 1973 the great unwashed masses who immigrated from Brooklyn and Queens to Staten Island, with _NO_ appreciation for history, prevailed on the powers that be to change the name to the Borough of Staten Island, although as far as I know it's still Richmond County. And as of about a year ago, the SI Ferry is FREE-FREE-FREE (for foot traffic). The bridge tolls are horrendous however, and you can no longer walk or bike over them as you could when I grew up there. Regards, Charles Sullivan

At 6:08 PM -0400 7/27/99, Larry Corbett wrote: >But here's where it gets fun... > >The borough of Queens is Queens County, and that makes sense. >"The" Bronx. Bronx borough that is, is Bronx County. so far so good. >Now... > >The borough of Brooklyn is Kings County (Brooklyn used to be a separate >city... Brooklynites think it still is.) The borough of Manhattan (on >Manhattan Island)is New York County, thus, New York, New York. (If I can >make it there, I'll make it anywhere....) > eh ny county was more than just manhattan it was bits and pieces of westchester too at times. ============================================================ Jazz is freedom. -- T. Monk http://www.panix.com/~cassidy

>There are old New York City directories??? Where can you find these to look >at them? and what years are available? anything on-line? I'm in southern >California. If there's a Family History Center near you, you can rent & view microfilms of old NYC directories. $3.25 each. Barb ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

>Can someone explain >the heiarchy for me. I mean what is the Bronx, Long Island, Queens etc.? Is >New York City a small area or does it include all of this? Sorry, >geographically challenged here. Yeah, NYC is like no place else. I only recently learned the details myself. At present (not always true), it consists of five boroughs, each in its own county. Manhattan is in New York County, and Manhattan by itself was also THE New York City for a while, so when you see a reference to NYC, it may mean the whole 5 boroughs, or it may just mean Manhattan. And if I remember this right, the Bronx is Bronx County, Brooklyn is Kings County, Queens is Queens County, and Staten Island is Richmond County. And I'm sure there's at least one NY-er out there who'll correct me if I'm wrong. Barb ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Please post the wills index URL to the List. I did bookmark it but it no longer works. Thanks Dee

But here's where it gets fun... The borough of Queens is Queens County, and that makes sense. "The" Bronx. Bronx borough that is, is Bronx County. so far so good. Now... The borough of Brooklyn is Kings County (Brooklyn used to be a separate city... Brooklynites think it still is.) The borough of Manhattan (on Manhattan Island)is New York County, thus, New York, New York. (If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere....) And Staten Island???? ain't no such place... Richmond Borough, Richmond County.... no wonder they want to secede from both the City AND the State. You can't there from here without paying a toll, on the ferry, or on the Verrazzano Bridge... unless you have a good boat or can swim. And Staten Island is right snug against Jersey. fun fun fun till her daddy took the atlas away. Larry

At 10:00 AM -0700 7/27/99, Jo Hartman wrote: >> try the nyc dirrctories for those years. >> >> regards >> m >> > >There are old New York City directories??? Where can you find these to look >at them? and what years are available? anything on-line? I'm in southern >California. > not online as far as i know about souhtern cal. and LDS [mormons] family centers can get them for you. if he was BIG he may even have a small ad; but he should be listed as an individual no matter what even my byrnes [burns] and cassidys who never have a skill beyond laborer are listed many years regards m ============================================================ Jazz is freedom. -- T. Monk http://www.panix.com/~cassidy

At 11:02 AM -0700 7/27/99, Jo Hartman wrote: >Hi List, >This might be a real dumb question... > >Okay, talking with my mother-in-law the other day. I'm doing her geneology. >She grew up in lower Manhattan, 9th and Greenwich streets. I tried looking >to see what county this area is in...for the obvious, most info online and >off is by county. I couldn't quite figure it out looking at the one map I >have from the AAA, the county lines change colors too much. My mother in law >says its not in a county, its just "Manhattan, New York". It has to be in a >county, right? Some of the records I have from her just say Manhattan >District court etc. > >I live in Southern Calif. I know nothing about New York. Can someone explain >the heiarchy for me. I mean what is the Bronx, Long Island, Queens etc.? Is >New York City a small area or does it include all of this? Sorry, >geographically challenged here. > sorry i was so rembling but nyc = manhattan before 1898 nyc = boroughs after 1898. regards m ============================================================ Jazz is freedom. -- T. Monk http://www.panix.com/~cassidy

At 11:02 AM -0700 7/27/99, Jo Hartman wrote: >Hi List, >This might be a real dumb question... > >Okay, talking with my mother-in-law the other day. I'm doing her geneology. >She grew up in lower Manhattan, 9th and Greenwich streets. I tried looking >to see what county this area is in...for the obvious, most info online and >off is by county. I couldn't quite figure it out looking at the one map I >have from the AAA, the county lines change colors too much. My mother in law >says its not in a county, its just "Manhattan, New York". It has to be in a >county, right? Some of the records I have from her just say Manhattan >District court etc. > >I live in Southern Calif. I know nothing about New York. Can someone explain >the heiarchy for me. I mean what is the Bronx, Long Island, Queens etc.? Is >New York City a small area or does it include all of this? Sorry, >geographically challenged here. > for us in brooklyn&queens the city was manhattan. you got on th el or subway and went into the city to the movies or a show. there is a book out "Cabbages and Brooklyn" that gives an expression/idea of this. Brooklyn & Queens were farm country for longer then we realize and the"idea" [ideal] of this was steeped into us. those of us that in our 50's still refer to manhattan as the city. regards m ============================================================ Jazz is freedom. -- T. Monk http://www.panix.com/~cassidy

At 1:26 PM -0700 7/27/99, Nancy Fein wrote: >Hi Jo:) > >I'm an ex-nuuyawkah and also live in So Cal <g>. It is confusing, re NYC. >All those places are "boroughs" There are five boroughs in all that >comprise New York City......Manhattan being one of them, the others being >the Bronx, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens. Idiomatically, most people >think of Manhattan only when someone mentions New York City. I'm sure there >are others on this list who will be full of information about researching >this area and that you'll be hearing from them! Good luck:) > i am not an ex-new yorker. i am a brooklynite. it helps to remember that nyc didnt include the boroughs until 1898 and some of us would still like a recount. regards m bring back the dodgers ============================================================ Jazz is freedom. -- T. Monk http://www.panix.com/~cassidy

Hi Jo:) I'm an ex-nuuyawkah and also live in So Cal <g>. It is confusing, re NYC. All those places are "boroughs" There are five boroughs in all that comprise New York City......Manhattan being one of them, the others being the Bronx, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens. Idiomatically, most people think of Manhattan only when someone mentions New York City. I'm sure there are others on this list who will be full of information about researching this area and that you'll be hearing from them! Good luck:) Nancy Gauthier Fein nancyfein@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo Hartman <johartman@home.com> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:02 AM Subject: Where is Manhattan? > Hi List, > This might be a real dumb question... > > Okay, talking with my mother-in-law the other day. I'm doing her geneology. > She grew up in lower Manhattan, 9th and Greenwich streets. I tried looking > to see what county this area is in...for the obvious, most info online and > off is by county. I couldn't quite figure it out looking at the one map I > have from the AAA, the county lines change colors too much. My mother in law > says its not in a county, its just "Manhattan, New York". It has to be in a > county, right? Some of the records I have from her just say Manhattan > District court etc. > > I live in Southern Calif. I know nothing about New York. Can someone explain > the heiarchy for me. I mean what is the Bronx, Long Island, Queens etc.? Is > New York City a small area or does it include all of this? Sorry, > geographically challenged here. > > Thanks so much, > Jo Hartman > researching Buchina, Cheselka, Vislocky, Mironick, Holovinsky > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt >

New additions: Chenango - 3 volumes Delaware - 4 volumes Monroe - 3 volumes Seneca - 1 volume Pennsylvania Bradford - brand new - good number of people from New England leaving wills here. http://www.wasatch.com/~dsam/sampubco Feel free to forward this message to relevant lists. (Gen-NYS, NewYork-Roots, Pennsylvania-Roots, Roots-L and Northeast-Roots-L had been posted). W. David Samuelsen

Hi List, This might be a real dumb question... Okay, talking with my mother-in-law the other day. I'm doing her geneology. She grew up in lower Manhattan, 9th and Greenwich streets. I tried looking to see what county this area is in...for the obvious, most info online and off is by county. I couldn't quite figure it out looking at the one map I have from the AAA, the county lines change colors too much. My mother in law says its not in a county, its just "Manhattan, New York". It has to be in a county, right? Some of the records I have from her just say Manhattan District court etc. I live in Southern Calif. I know nothing about New York. Can someone explain the heiarchy for me. I mean what is the Bronx, Long Island, Queens etc.? Is New York City a small area or does it include all of this? Sorry, geographically challenged here. Thanks so much, Jo Hartman researching Buchina, Cheselka, Vislocky, Mironick, Holovinsky