Listowner, All of the information in your new subscriber messages was not in a readable format. Most of the information was "?". I have deleted the messages. I have not had this problem with any other list. I assume that regular messages will be readable. Richard Hayes richardhayes@earthlink.net

Hi, A while back someone was complaining that there wasn't an index for the 1870 census for Westchester Co. Well, there is one - it was published in 1993. Barbara _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Hi all. I just wanted to see if anyone was researching Merwin. I have amary C. Lockwood born 1878 in NY married Orrin Merwin in 1894 in Susquehanna PA. According to the 1900 Census for the town of Hancock, Delaware county NY..they were living next to her parents Wilbur and Sarah Elizabeth Lockwood and her 2 siblings Harry and Ada Lockwood. Orrin's parents were Stella Beers and Orrin Merwin. I believe they may have lived in NY too. Anyone else researching these lines? Thank you! Michele Lockwood

I would like to know if someone could tell me what NY group, town or area any Amos SMITH (who was b. ca. 1770-1780) shows up with in a War of 1812 roster -- I have checked out some of the on-line sites but many area's are lacking. My newest tidbid of information is from a biography of his granddaughter's husband (George Kelly of Steuben Co., NY) which states that Amos Smith served in the War of 1812. - I realize that this is a stab in the dark - but as after almost 19 years of looking for my 'stuck' SMITH family it is the only new lead I have had after many months. I bet everyone wishes they had a Smith to look for.. ha ha. Of Amos SMITH - he is in census & school formation records in 1840, 41 & 42 in Scio, Allegany Co., NY. Probably died before 1849 as he doesn't show up in the 1850 mortality schedules nor census. He left no will's, nor any property to his decendants. He might be the same Amos Smith of Steuben Co., NY prior to 1840 - and possibly also of Broome & Chenango Co's earlier. Thanks for any help given. Judy Allen Cwiklinski - Steuben Co., NYGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nysteube/

Hi Everybody My name is Arthur Chittenden and I am working on a one-name study -worldwide. Any information, no matter how brief, will be greatly appreciated. I shall be happy to assist other CHITTENDEN seekers by doing lookups and where possible putting them in touch with other researchers who are involved with the same line. KFHS Member No: 6474 GOONS Member No: 2584 Best Wishes Arthur Sunny Sydney, Australia

Earlier today I posted a question about the Methodist Episcopal Church. I was asked to post the answer. I received many good answers each a little different. I received an excellent site regarding the United Methodist Church. In following a link on that site, I was led to a listing of states which leads to repositories holding Methodist records. Individuals can contact those repositories and receive genealogical information. Below is the site I found and immediately below is the message containing the other answers I received. http://www.gcah.org/Conference/umcdirectory.htm 6 Aug 1999 08:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:56:27 -0400 From: C M Strong <cmstrong@mindspring.com> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Hi Marla (Brent?) and other interested folks! I too had relatives that were members of the Methodist Episopal Church, so your post whetted my curiosity. Following Kelvin's good suggestion, I found this delightful little paragraph at: http://www.umc.org/abouttheumc/history/ "The United Methodist Church is the result of the 1939 merger of three Methodist bodies (Methodist Episcopal, Methodist Episcopal South and Methodist Protestant churches), and a 1968 union of the Evangelical United Brethren and The Methodist churches." So there we have it then! If you do figure out how to access any past church records, please pass that information on to me either personally or through this list, or both! Thanks! Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL Subject: Re: Methodist Episcopal Church Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:01:20 -0400 From: Albert and Betty Thomas <agthomas@ma.ultranet.com> I'm sure you will get better answers, but here's mine. They are all seperate churches. I don't know the history behind it , but at some point, SOME of the Methodist and Episcopal churches decided to combine- hence Methodist Episcopal. Betty Subject: Re: Methodist Episcopal Church Date: Fri, 6 Aug 99 11:20:37 -0400 From: "Kelvin L. Kean" <kelvin@voicenet.com> To: "Brent Larson" <blarson@ubtanet.com>, <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> I'm no historian of American protestant churches, but, if memory serves me correctly, the Methodist Episcopal Church was organized shortly after the Revolution and experienced healthy growth until shortly before WWII when it reunited with the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, and the Methodist Protestant Church to become the Methodist Church, the name by which it's known today. I'm sure there are others on the list with more knowledge of the history and the church probably maintains a website that give a more detailed but capsule history of the church. Incidentally, there is no current connection between the Episcopal Church and the Methodist Episcopal Church, but both have their roots in the Pre-Revolutionary Anglican Church of England; John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist Church, was, in fact, an ordained Anglican minister. Best regards, Kelvin Kean Elverson, Pennsylvania Subject: Re: Methodist Episcopal Church Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:59:42 -0400 From: "Eileen Roddy" <eileen@tir.com> Organization: Compaq To: "Brent Larson" <blarson@ubtanet.com> References: 1 I am a member of the United Methodist Church. It was first known as the Methodist Church, was later known as the Methodist Episcopal Church, and today is the United Methodist Church. Sorry I am not up on my church history so cannot explain these changes in name. There is no connection with the Episcopal Church. Eileen Roddy What is now the Methodist Church was at one time the Methodist Episcopal Church. No connection to the Episcopal Church. Because of a rift concerning slavery, the church divide into theM methodist Episcopal Church North and the Methodist Episcopal Church South. At some point( I think late 1930s or early 40s) there was a reunifacation of the two branches and the churches were then called United Methodist Churches . Barbara boh@Albany.Net Excellent job everyone. This list is great! Thanks! Marla

Hi! I am new to this list and have a couple of questions I'm hoping someone could help me with. My gggrandfather Almon Dunbar Goodwin's obit says that he was born in Rauser,NY 25 Mar 1841. I don't see this on any map and I also looked in the old town names that changed on the NY genweb page. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what town this might be? I am looking for Almon's father Timothy who was born in New York 6 Apr 1818. In the 1820 census for the town of Florence in Oneida County there is a listing for a Timothy Goodwin (I'm exploring the possibility that he was named after his father). I think I have the most of the fields figured out on the census except what the last 1 means. Timothy GOODWIN 2 - - 1 - - - 1 1 - - - - - 1 Does anybody have any suggestions on the best way to find Timothy and Philena's parents and how to make a connection? Timothy G GOODWIN b 6 Apr 1818 NY d 19 Jun 1882 Lyons, Walworth County, WI Philena A BUERR b 17 Aug 1822 in NY d 20 Oct 1896 Lyons, Walworth County, WI children: Almon Dunbar GOODWIN b 25 Mar 1841 NY d 26 Apr 1920 Ironwood, Gogebic County, MI George Gillman GOODWIN b abt 1843 NY Timothy G GOODWIN b 24 Dec 1845 NY d 11 May 1848 Lyons, Walworth County WI Augusta GOODWIN b abt 1849 Lyons, Walworth County WI Calista GOODWIN b 18 Jun 1862 Lyons, Walworth County WI d 8 Oct 1863 Lyons, Walworth County WI Thank you very much Kelli Skindzelewski researching GOODWIN, BUERR, BOSS, WALRATH

In a message dated 99-08-06 17:40:44 EDT, you write: << basic details). She told me that each county in the US has a VA Office and will do the same thing for free. And don't forget the American Legion for the town you are interested in. They have historians, as well. Shirley

Thanks everyone for the help with my Methodist Episcopal Church question. Marla

1. Kevin Kesby please contact me. 2. I excerpted part of a reply on another list and find the following interesting -- I have not tried this resource -- is there anyone out there who has tried this in NYS?? It is certainly worth a try and I plan to stop by our local VA and see what they have. " However, in addition, you might check out the Veterans Administration Office in the of theCounty Court House. I was given copies (about 40 pages) of maps showing the locations of all known cemeteries for that county. In addition, the lady in charge looked up my great-grandfather on her computer and gave me a printout of his service (nothing fancy, just the basic details). She told me that each county in the US has a VA Office and will do the same thing for free. Mind you, they'll only have maps of the cemeteries for their county and can only look up the record of veterans who served from their state. " ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Hi Marla (Brent?) and other interested folks! I too had relatives that were members of the Methodist Episopal Church, so your post whetted my curiosity. Following Kelvin's good suggestion, I found this delightful little paragraph at: http://www.umc.org/abouttheumc/history/ "The United Methodist Church is the result of the 1939 merger of three Methodist bodies (Methodist Episcopal, Methodist Episcopal South and Methodist Protestant churches), and a 1968 union of the Evangelical United Brethren and The Methodist churches." So there we have it then! If you do figure out how to access any past church records, please pass that information on to me either personally or through this list, or both! Thanks! Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL

Hi Everyone, I have what might seem like a dumb question to some. I have found that my 3rd great grandfather and family were members of the Methodist Episcopal Church. I would like to see if there are church records concerning the ancestor and his family. Some of his children left the area where he was living and I have not been able to trace where they went. I am in hopes maybe church records might help me. My question is, is there a difference between the Methodist Church, the Episcopal Church and the Methodist Episcopal Church? I basically need a yes or no with a brief explanation. Thanks Marla blarson@ubtanet.com

I'm no historian of American protestant churches, but, if memory serves me correctly, the Methodist Episcopal Church was organized shortly after the Revolution and experienced healthy growth until shortly before WWII when it reunited with the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, and the Methodist Protestant Church to become the Methodist Church, the name by which it's known today. I'm sure there are others on the list with more knowledge of the history and the church probably maintains a website that give a more detailed but capsule history of the church. Incidentally, there is no current connection between the Episcopal Church and the Methodist Episcopal Church, but both have their roots in the Pre-Revolutionary Anglican Church of England; John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist Church, was, in fact, an ordained Anglican minister. Best regards, Kelvin Kean Elverson, Pennsylvania

Rev. David Engel was a Protestant minister, but I don't know what denominatiion. Previously he lived, where I don't know, in upstate NY. I would like to find this man, either living or dead, and if possible get his address and phone number. The Rev. would be about 80 yrs. old, if living. If there is anyone out there that either knows him or knows of him, please, I would like to hear from them. Verna McDowell - vernamae@dnet.net

Would some kind soul look up the listing of George W. BABCOCK in Hanover Twp #322 in the 1840 census of Chautauqua County, NY. I am interested in the family details - was he married at the time of the census? I suspect he lived in Chautauqua County until about 1845. I also would like the address of the Catholic Church in Jamestown that would have been active in the 1940s. Many thanks! Best wishes Herb Herbert G. Webb 937-426-1438 2170 Brookridge Dr. Dayton, OH 45431-3231

Hi Amy, I think it's jut quiet. I have not had much mail either. Marge

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I could use some help from all of you to find the parent's of Olmstead Quick. He was born in 1811 and according to the 1855 State census he was born in Westchester Co. By 1829, he was in Onondaga Co. as he married Geneveret Potter with whom he had several children. When she died in 1848 he married Nancy Eddy and had several more children. Olmstead, wives and many children are buried in South Onondaga Cemetery. He lived in the village of South Onondaga where he had a store and he was a shoemaker, a trade that he learned before he got to Onondaga. There is a book on the Quick family in America but even they can't identify his parents. When Olmstead actually came to Onondaga I don't know, just that he was there by 1829. He would have only been 18 when he married. I assume he must have come to Syracuse with some one but who? I did find a Peter Quick that was born about 1800, he is also buried in South Onondaga Cemetery but if there is any relationship, I have found none. Olmstead's death certificate gives no clues. Any help would greatly be appreciated. Thanks in advance!! Jodell

http://www.wasatch.com/~dsam/sampubco/engine.htm There are two search engine options available to search through the SAMPUBCO site of Will Testator indexes. Text formats do not have search engine to cover them. Use your PC's Control+F to do searches. Pay attention to different variants of surnames when hunting. Livingston Co and Niagara Co of NY had been converted and are searchable. Schenectady Co NY Volume L and M will be added within 48 hours in text format only until completed. Ongoing since there are several more volumes to do. Ontario Co NY index is being replaced within 48 hours with corrected information plus few added volumes. Text format only until completed. Frederick Co MD 3rd volume will be added sometime within 48 hours. Text format only until completed. Chester Co PA is being indexed in progress. Will post update on this county when uploaded. (Early to about 1820).