re: Butler's Rangers the olive tree The OLIVE TREE Genealogy Homepage:Loyalist Units Address: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/br.htm Searching for Drakes without a duck stamp

re: Butler's Rangers: Butler's Rangers Address: http://www.iaw.on.ca/~awoolley/brang/brang.html great site. Bea searching for Drakes without a duck stamp.

Hello sister/brother researchers -- I am sending out this inquiry to several lists -- please forgive if you receive a duplicate. In researching my ancestors, I have found many that served in the various militias from NYS in the Revolution. However, some of that information has left me with a few questions, namely: (1) One of my ancestors, born in NYS but died in Ontario, Canada, is listed as a "Butler's Ranger" -- so I assume he was a "Tory" -- anyone have more info on Butler's Rangers? (2) A second ancestor, number #1's cousin in fact, is listed as serving in the Tryon militia "Battalion of Minute Men" -- as in Paul Revere/Minutemen --?? (3) Does anyone have a list of forts that were located along the Mohawk River at this period of history -- I know Fort Stanwyck (becomes Rome, NY) and then Fort Dayton (which is now what--??) Fort Herkimer and a fort at Cherry Valley (named--??) Were there others as well? Supposedly my gggggmother was taken by the Mohawk Indians in one of the latest raid made by the Mohawks (which would be what year(s) - 1780-ish, maybe--??) but released "to the fort" by Joseph Brant. She lived in the Springfield/Jordanville area of NYS. (4) What was Utica called before it was Utica and when did it become Utica? I *know* I should probably KNOW a lot of this stuff already--- why oh why didn't I listen more closely to my 8th grade NYS history teacher, Margaret Gwise?? I'm sure her Spirit is laughing at me know for having to be asking questions she knows *I* should know! :-) Thanks for you help nonetheless! Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL

Mary, Utica is located in the New York Archdiocese, which is the whole state. I believe Utica's local diocese is Syracuse. K Young ---------- >From: MCasey863@aol.com >To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Utica Archdiocese >Date: Thu, Sep 9, 1999, 9:37 AM > > Dear Friends, > > Could someone tell me where the Roman Catholic Archidocese which includes > Utica is located? > > If so, could you provide address and phone no. or a place I can obtain that > info? > > Thank you. Mary L. Casey in Michigan > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html >

Hi again Ed (and listmembers) -- In this post are some more www sites that might help you and others on the list to understand these issues more fully when it comes to using genealogical research publications .... OR for protecting your own writings. ... and yes, I saw Marc Nozell's posting to the effect that the matter has been referred to RootsWeb. It would be worthwhile for the RootsWeb folks to eventually post something about their "official" position/policies vis-a-vis copyright in relation to genealogical information posted on or found on any Rootsweb page. I read further back in my "copyright" e-files and located the following helpful sites (I rechecked all urls today and all but one [as noted] are alive and working: (1) Library of Congress copyright "homepage" -- check it out at http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright You'll need Adobe Acrobat reader to view PDF files there. --- see in particular, from the Copyright Basics link, (i) Circular#1 Copyright Basics -- defines who can claim copyright, how & when it is created etc etc and more. This material validates many of the "facts" I told you about in my first reply (that was also posted to the maillist). (ii) Circular#21 covering Fair Use AND Reproduction by LIBRARIES of copyrighted works -- plus more. (2) PC World Article on Clinton signing a new digital copyright bill (Oct 98) http://www.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,8586,00.html (3) Article on Ancestry.com website about genealogical data & copyright -- but it must be read with the knowledge that the Oct 98 bill passage might have changed things since this article was first written -- some of the problems discussed still exist, I'm sure (e.g. just what defines "public domain data" and "fair use"). http://www.ancestry.com/home/bestofgc/principl.htm At the bottom of this article are the following links: *** The Copyright Website (http://www.benedict.com/index.html) -- currently active -- *** Of special interest here are the two pages on FAIR USE and PUBLIC DOMAIN -- get to them via http://www.benedict.com/basic/basic.htm The United states Copyright Office (http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright) -- active American Communications Association Copyright Page (http://www.uark.edu/depts/comminfo/www/copyright.html) -- this page is no longer active All in all, there is some considerable reading to be done -- but if you continue to write & publish, you should be as fully informed as possible. The www makes it possible to do this at a fairly minimal cost (your time and research skills). Best of luck...// Gord HINES (in Regina SK Canada) EHarr76546@cs.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Isn't this PLAGIARISM? And what do we do about it? Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:32:58 EDT From: EHarr76546@cs.com To: ghines@sk.sympatico.ca > Thanks Gord. The Rootsweb people are looking into the situation. > > Ed

Re Gord's comments: First... >>I'm no lawyer... and I don't live in the US... but when I last looked into the matter of copyright several years ago, I was told by a lawyer here in Canada, something to the effect that it is "common law" in virtually every country with copyright laws that it is not "legally" necessary for the original author of a work to place a "notice of copyright" on it. The "right" simply exists as a matter of law and belongs to the author. (same thing with works of art -- much more enforceable if the work is also signed, however -- and today, even with software programs -- all termed "intellectual property").<< I received basicly the same information from the US government office when I inquired about copyrighting information. Mary

Will the "Karen" who purchased the Rosenkrans section of the "Early Ancestors in New Amsterdam Vigne-Rosenkrans"a 36 page MSS by George R. Griffith, 1994, please contact me? It was purchased this year from a woman in Montana. thank you joan

A big thank you to all the people who have e-mailed me personally. You've all helped a lot and the posts to the Lists have undoubtedly helped many others. As usual, the Lists come thru. Dee Watt Stratford CT

It is Syracuse. http://www.ParishesOnline.com/ has some addresses you could write to. Mary H ___________________________ MCasey863@aol.com wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Could someone tell me where the Roman Catholic Archidocese which includes > Utica is located? > > If so, could you provide address and phone no. or a place I can obtain that > info? > > Thank you. Mary L. Casey in Michigan > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html

There is a Leander J. Lockwood in the 1820 and 1830 census index for Elizabethtown, Essex Co., NY. Does anyone recognize this man? Is he somehow related to Thankful (Rice) Foster, who named a son Leander Lockwood Foster? Thanks for any clues. Joann Nichols jnichols@sover.net

I sent a link yesterday that isn't working, so I'll try again. 1 Cut and Paste this address> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/wpaintro/wpahome.html 2 Go to Site and Scroll down to SEARCH by KEYWORD 3 Type in Starbuck Perry - and search to match all the words That should work, I hope. Sorry bout that.

Gary, I forwarded this request on to NOCAL-L and Carole (carole@ap.net) was kind enough to do the lookup for you. Cyd Patentee Name: Roswold, John Accession Number: MN2660__.011 State: Minnesota Volume: 2660 Page: 11 Document Number: 3016 Land Office: Duluth Aliquot Part Reference: NE Section Number: 8 Township: 51 North Range: 18 West Meridian/Survey Area: Fourth Principal Meridian Misc. Document Number: 7634 Act/Treaty Authorizing Sale: Homestead Entry Orig. Date Signed: Nov 28, 1900 Acreage: 160.00 Signed: Yes, the document on file at the BLM contains a signature. Eva E. Richards Year: 1870 State: Massachusetts County: Worcester Co. Location: West Brookfield National Archives series number: M593 National Archives microfilm number: 657 Microfilm page number: 15

Dear Friends, Could someone tell me where the Roman Catholic Archidocese which includes Utica is located? If so, could you provide address and phone no. or a place I can obtain that info? Thank you. Mary L. Casey in Michigan

Please help. >From CD #188, Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, The family "Gleeson" I am looking for, is from Tipperary County, Kilmore Parish, Location Carron. I can't find this on my maps. Does anyone know where this is in Tipperary. Does anyone know where I can purchase a map of Tipperary, showing Parish locations? Any help will be appreciated. Bob Gleason

Hi List, Would there be anyone on the list that might have the Family Tree CDs #284 and #255? I sure would appreciate a look-up on #255 for Land Records of JOHN ROSWOLD of MN; and, on # 284 EVA E. RICHARDS in the 1870 Census from MA? or wherever. Thanks so very much, Gary

Ed, you as the author of the work, own the copyright, regardless of the claim made by the apparently anonymous claimant on the site you listed. You do not need to file it with The Library of Congress or anyone other office to make the claim; you just need to be able to prove you originated the material. However, to prove copyright, if proving and claiming were to be needed, you would have to provide evidence of authorship, which presumably you can do with your original manuscript, dated computer files, correspondence, and copies you gave to the various institutions. But, since you never sought financial compensation, and apparently don't seek it now, your damages are intangible. Despite the seeming callousness of that statement, I can readily imagine the hurt is real and the your perception of being violated as real as if you had been held up at gun point. Let's hope the folks at Rootsweb see it the same way and either pull your Evergreen Cemetery History and Index, or whatever you've entitled it, or compel the false claimant to relinquish his or her claim, request your permission, and, if granted, post full credit where appropriate, if that is a resolution that you can accept. I've had my copyrights violated more than once, and have never sued for the simple reason that claiming damages can be very daunting if large sums of money are not at stake. But I have dressed down the thieves in ways that brought them notoriety, which was rewarding in and of itself. Perhaps, Marc Nozell's bringing this to the attention of Rootsweb will bring about a similar result. Good luck. Best regards, Kelvin Kean Elverson, Pennsylvania

Is this name familar to anyone? They were in NY in the 1700 and 1800s for sure. In Jefferson Cty and in NewYork City plus probably others. I am looking for family for my Sarah de la Farge b 1750 m. 1768 to Silas Howland of Dartmouth, MA. Children born in Syracuse, NY. Any information on ANY de la Farge or LaFarge would be appreciated. Audrey Annable Franklin Loveland CO

>This message is for Bev in Arizona who wrote me about Countryman after seeing >my message to someone else about that surname. I am not researching the name >Countryman. And Hi Bev! I am the person researching the Countryman name -- I just received a HUGE data base of names from two members of the Countryman mailing list. Would be happy to see if I know your Countryman folk. Marsha Strong cmstrong@mindspring.com

This matter has been passed on to the Rootsweb.com Staff to be resolved. -marc -- Marc Nozell <marc@nozell.com> http://www.nozell.com

Great colorful stories here about Henry "Starbuck" Perry a retired sailor at Snug Harbor - in 1938 - its at the WPA stories at the Library of Congress page just in case the link doesn't work. Click Here: <A HREF="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query </A>