I think that a lot of time's it's new genealogist that are expecting the hobby to be easy. Often they arn't clear as how to ask for what they might be looking for. We need to be patient with people who tend to put things a certain way. We were all new at one time. Ken Coolidge

I am also totally in agreement with Richard's comments regarding the "article" on internet genealogy. In three years of doing research in libraries and all the other "valid" sources, and belonging to several different lists on the internet, I have found that a majority of the queries are well thought out and presented well. Very occasionally there are poorly-crafted queries that want an entire tree for free (no poetic pun intended). Jack, Indianapolis J4777EA@aol.com Researching: ALEXANDER, EATON, INGLEFIELD, LYMAN, MCCLURE, WILLIAMS

Hi Nikki -- if you get no replies from this posting, try one of the several Jefferson County NY lists... I have had excellent responses from various folks on those lists.... tho' nothing like your request. Regards, Gord HINES (in Regina SK Canada) (my gg gf, Henry Harrison HINES/HINDS was born in Watertown NY 1817) Nikki Hampton wrote: > Subject: Need Photo of grave sites. Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 02:54:29 -0700 (PDT) From: NikkiEH@webtv.net (Nikki Hampton) To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com > Is there anyone out there that will take pictures of some grave > sites in Watertown, New York...the Cemetery I am interested in > the The North Watertown Cemetery. I will pay any reasonable cost, > such as film, developing of the film, mailing and short trip > travel expenses..to the grave site. Please reply using my > personal e-mail...NikkiEH@Webtv.net > > Cheers > Nikki in Oregon > NikkiEH@Webtv.net > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/

Hi Richard, Very well said and my feelings exactly. I'm not able to visit distant places to gather my information first hand and other people's leg work and good will has helped me immensely. My objective is to gather as much information on my lines as possible (and I've been able to push most of them back several generations) so that it's there for my descendants should one or more of them care. One of the lines is "certified" if they want to join Mayflower or DAR or whatever--the others are gravy. Dee Watt searching Dickens, Kennedy, Taber (among others)

Is there anyone out there that will take pictures of some grave sites in Watertown, New York...the Cemetery I am interested in the The North Watertown Cemetery. I will pay any reasonable cost, such as film, developing of the film, mailing and short trip travel expenses..to the grave site. Please reply using my personal e-mail...NikkiEH@Webtv.net Cheers Nikki in Oregon NikkiEH@Webtv.net

I just finished reading the web page on http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaaugust/cook.htm about the plusses and minuses of Internet genealogy. There are some good suggestions within the "scolding of the users of the Internet for genealogy". But like a lot of information today, one must kiss a lot of frogs to find the prince that fills in your one missing branch. I am not new to genealogy, but I find the net a new tool by which to maximize the accuracy of my information. It reminds me of many years ago when I started to work for a large electric utility. The "old timers" who had worked there for 20+ years never stopped carping about how hard it was in the "old" days and that we youngsters didn't know what it was to "work" for a living. None of them ever tried to update their knowledge base, because the old way was the best, no new "fangled" ideas would work. Sadly, they gradually faded away as technology replaced them. One thing for sure, the writer is correct, there are many capable people on the net who are willing to take the time to be helpful to those who didn't cut their teeth the "old fashioned way", BTI. I do not tout the use of the net as a sole source, I believe that a blend of the Internet and hallways of assessor's offices, microfilm squint and deciphering family bibles are all important in the documentation process. The tone of the message I read was quite negative, certainly not in an encouraging manner. I owe a number of people on the Internet a lot of thanks for helping me fill in some blanks on my still half full (or empty) family tree. Thanks again to all of you. Searching: ANDERSON, BIGSBY, CAVANAUGH, CRAMER, CUMMINGS, GASTON, HYER, LITTLE, NILES, POTTER, VINCENT, WOOD Richard Wood Tucson, AZ pawood@azstarnet.com N32-16'-53.5" W111-04'-22.5" http://www.azstarnet.com/~pawood There is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his. Helen Keller

Hello Fellow Listers, Last week I received several copies of obituaries re: my BENCE/BENZ family. On each page, there are also listed other names, who are not related to me but I'm sure they are someones family. All these obits come from the Berkshire Evening Eagle, Pittsfield, MA. Knowing the close proximity to Ny I thought I would give you the names, followed by the dates they were published. In the event you can connect with any of them I will be happy to email you the entire obit. My email addy is at the top of this page. Mrs. Margaret SHEA FLAHERTY, Miss Hermia HEEBNER, Mrs. Domomic BARBA (Malvina SUTTY BARBA), Mrs. John F. MAGNER, Mrs. Anna MESSINA (PETTROVILLE?), Jan. 23, 1968. John W. GREER, Mrs. Annie BAUMAN, Edward PERDRISEI (?), George E? F? BERGMANN, July 20, 1926. Miss Katherine RYAN, Lipman Louis COHEN, April 9, 1923. Mrs. Agnes O'LAUGHLIN CAHALEN, Michael O'NEILL, Henry W. SOULE, Samuel W. DOW (partial), Dec. 10, 1926. Memoriam, Martha WILLIAMS (d, 1940), Posthumous Citation for Judge Albert E. PINASKI, May 6, 1950. Mrs. Melvina DICKERSON (partial), Nov. 7, 1904. I hope this will help someone. Margaret in NV

Found on micro roll in LD Plainview Branch # 1376362 Birth and Death Index Flatbush 1880- 1895 also has FLATBUSH Deaths Apr.1891-May 1894 Flatlands Births 1880-1895 Flatlands Deaths 1880-1895 Gravesend Birth 1880-1894 Gravesend Deaths 1880-1894 I only got a chance to start the roll . I copied some names that caught my eye from the list. Had to leave and couldn't finish. First chance I get I'll go back and copy some more. It is a ledger.. #certificate Name D/o/Death age Marital Status Bithplace Occ. Parents if known Place of Death Burial # 4350 BARRETT, Matthew 4/30/1891 38y Sing. US peddler Andrew/Bridget Kings Co. Hosp. Calvary # 4357 BAUER Daniel 4-7-1891 57y Marr. Germ Shoemaker Kings Co. Hosp. County Farm # 4410 CASSIDY, Catherine 5/18/1891 66 wid. Ire. Richard/Marg't KEARNEY Foster Av Parkville Calvary # 4420 SCHMIDT, Ann 5/23/1891 76y wd. Germ. housewk Kings Co. Hosp. Lutheran Ceme. # 4665 CASSIDY Mamie 8/6/1891 1yr 2mth US Kings Co. Almshouse Holy Cross Ceme. # 4667 SCHMIDT, Jos. 8/31/1891 35y US marr. clothprinter Kings Co. Insane Asyl. Evergreen Ceme. # 4966 CASSIDY, Rosanna 11/23/1891 3m 12dys US Kings Co. Hosp. Holy Cross # 5068 KNAPP, John 1-5-1892 71 yr Germ. wd. shoemaker Eramus St. Fltbush Greenwood Ceme. # 5325 BURKHARDT, Fred 3/20/1892 5mth US Kings Co. Almshouse Holy Trinity # 5454 CARBERRY, Wm 4/26/1892 65y marr. Ire. Michael/Julia Carberry liq. dealer Holy Cross ceme. #5560 SCHMIDT, John 5/28/1892 33y marr. US Kings Co. Hosp. Holy Trinity # 5647 SHIELDS, Richard E. 6/30/1892 26y Sing. US carpenter Lott St. Fltbh Holy Cross Ceme. # 5772 ONEIL, Michael 8/4/1892 47y Sing. IRE. labor Kings Co. Hosp. County Farm # 5781 VOORHEES, Kate 8/9/1892 37y Marr. US washerwm Kings Co. Hosp. County Farm # 6076 MATHEWS Chas. Fletcher 11/2/1892 30y marr. US machinist 46a Prospect av. Fltbh Evergreen Ceme. # 6098 COMPETITTO Antonio 11/11/1892 33y marr. Italy labor Kings Co. Hosp. L.I. Coll. Hos.( this is burial ) # 6157 CARBERRY, still ch. of James & Marth Carberry 12/3/1892 Vernon Av. Fltbh Holy Cross Ceme. # 6186 SEAMAN Silas Jr. 12/13/1892 20dys US County Farm

Tonight I found an "Annable Mansion" in Syracuse NY near the corner of Avery and W. Genesee. Evidently, used to house shops now. Does anyone know which Annable family built the house and when? Audrey Annable Franklin

Descendants of Jonathan Sweet Generation No. 1 1. JONATHAN1 SWEET was born 1746 in Rhode Island, and died June 22, 1806 in Granville, NY. He married RUTH NICHOLS. Notes for JONATHAN SWEET: Served in Revolution as Private 16th Reg. Albany Co, Mil. Children of JONATHAN SWEET and RUTH NICHOLS are: i. STEPHEN2 SWEET. ii. DAVID SWEET. iii. JONATHAN SWEET. iv. ENOCH SWEET. 2.v. ALANSON SWEET, b. March 24, 1788, Stephentown, NY; d. June 14, 1879, Troy, NY. vi. LIDA SWEET. vii. ELSEY SWEET. viii. RUTH SWEET. ix. AMY SWEET. Generation No. 2 2. ALANSON2 SWEET (JONATHAN1) was born March 24, 1788 in Stephentown, NY, and died June 14, 1879 in Troy, NY. He married BETSEY UNDERWOOD May 16, 1814 in Granville, NY, daughter of RUSSEL UNDERWOOD and BETSEY ALLEN. Marriage Notes for ALANSON SWEET and BETSEY UNDERWOOD: Married by Rev. S. Rowley Children of ALANSON SWEET and BETSEY UNDERWOOD are: i. JONATHAN3 SWEET, b. June 11, 1815. More About JONATHAN SWEET: Fact 1: June 11, 1815, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: July 07, 1842, Married to Esther Smith from Sandlake, NY Fact 3: 1883, Died Detroit Mich. ii. LAVIND V. SWEET, b. June 27, 1817. More About LAVIND V. SWEET: Fact 1: June 27, 1817, Born Fort Ann, NY Fact 2: February 04, 1847, Died Hampton, NY iii. CHARLOTTE V. SWEET, b. October 08, 1819. More About CHARLOTTE V. SWEET: Fact 1: October 08, 1819, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: August 07, 1844, Married to W. Ltown in Granville, NY Fact 3: October 30, 1847, Died iv. AMELIA M. SWEET, b. October 17, 1821. More About AMELIA M. SWEET: Fact 1: October 17, 1819, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: February 17, 1897, Died Troy, NY v. JAMES R. SWEET, b. December 04, 1823. More About JAMES R. SWEET: Fact 1: December 04, 1823, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: March 18, 1824, Died March 24, 1824 vi. WILLIAM H. SWEET, b. December 24, 1824. Notes for WILLIAM H. SWEET: No trace since war. Probably killed in battle or in rebel prison. Last seen by G. W. Sweet in philadelphia 1864 or 1865. More About WILLIAM H. SWEET: Fact 1: December 24, 1824, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: January 06, 1847, Enlisted in western state Reg. vii. MILES SWEET, b. April 23, 1827. More About MILES SWEET: Fact 1: April 23, 1827, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: September 04, 1829, Married Fact 3: September 12, 188, Died Troy, NY viii. CHARLES F. SWEET, b. April 04, 1829. More About CHARLES F. SWEET: Fact 1: April 04, 1829, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: July 08, 1857, Married Fact 3: September 02, 1901, Died Jasper MO. ix. MARY E. SWEET, b. February 07, 1832. More About MARY E. SWEET: Fact 1: February 07, 1832, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: June 09, 1851, Died Kendall, NY x. CAROLINE M. SWEET, b. May 27, 1834. More About CAROLINE M. SWEET: Fact 1: May 27, 1834, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: May 22, 1835, Died Granville, NY xi. RUSSELL SWEET, b. February 02, 1836. More About RUSSELL SWEET: Fact 1: February 02, 1836, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: April 07, 1837, Died Granville, NY 3.xii. GEORGE W. SWEET, b. August 15, 1838, Granville, NY; d. Newbergh, NY. Generation No. 3 3. GEORGE W.3 SWEET (ALANSON2, JONATHAN1) was born August 15, 1838 in Granville, NY, and died in Newbergh, NY. He married LAURA TEACHOUT September 12, 1865 in Troy, NY, daughter of SAMUEL TEACHOUT and MARY LUCE. Notes for GEORGE W. SWEET: Seargent Company I 125th Reg. N.Y Vol. Infantry Civil War More About GEORGE W. SWEET: Fact 1: August 15, 1838, Born Granville, NY Fact 2: Died Newbergh, NY Marriage Notes for GEORGE SWEET and LAURA TEACHOUT: Married by Rev. C.P. Sheldon Child of GEORGE SWEET and LAURA TEACHOUT is: 4.i. WILLIAM ALANSON4 SWEET, b. July 21, 1866, Troy, NY; d. February 11, 1930, Rochester, NY. Generation No. 4 4. WILLIAM ALANSON4 SWEET (GEORGE W.3, ALANSON2, JONATHAN1) was born July 21, 1866 in Troy, NY, and died February 11, 1930 in Rochester, NY. He married MINERVA ALICE MCPHERSON November 01, 1883 in Tory, NY, daughter of JAMES MCPHERSON and SARAH GUNNIN. More About WILLIAM ALANSON SWEET: Fact 1: July 21, 1866, Born Troy, NY Fact 2: February 11, 1930, Died Rochester, NY Marriage Notes for WILLIAM SWEET and MINERVA MCPHERSON: Married by Rev. George Stockwell and Rev. s.w. Quincy Children of WILLIAM SWEET and MINERVA MCPHERSON are: i. WILLIAM YOURT5 SWEET, b. March 08, 1899. ii. GEORGE ROGER SWEET, b. November 05, 1901.

Looking for information on Lena Julia Shaw, b. abt.1858-1860. According to info given on the census by others, she was b. in Canada, but she has given various birthplaces on other documents. She has given Buffalo, NYC, and Jersey City, NJ as places of birth. She was m. in Boston in 1886, but there is no record of her or her husband in Boston prior to the marriage, so it's possible they both passed through NY on the way to Boston. Are there city directories available for Buffalo and NYC for the period 1880-1886? The only other thing I can think to check is the 1880 census and there are so many Shaws on it I wouldn't know where to start! Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Hello, I would like to find the decendants of Gaspar Viviano. He had 4 children that I know of. One being Emmanuel born Oct. 18, 1907 and died April 1980. His last known address was Woodstock New York. He may have been an attny. The other children of Gaspar were Catherine, an artist who owned a gallery in New York, Virginia and Philip. I have not been able to get any death certificates on these people because I am not a direct decendant. My line is Charles or Calegero, the brother of Gaspar. Would like to find someone to do some paid research, or lookups in city directories etc. Thank you Judy

I am searching for information on a William Henry OAKLEY. He was born in 1832 in New York..He married Mary E. ROBINSON b 1837 NY. From Ny they went to Gratiot County, Michigan. Does anyone have information on (William) Henry OAKLEY? They had 6 children that I know of. Augustus Oakley b 1856 Delieuis (spelling on census) Oakley b 1859 Rhoda A Oakley b 1861 Rosetta Oakley b 1868 (my husband's ggrandmother) we have info on her family. Einglard (Englard) on census-b 1866 Stanton Oakley b 1880 d Nov 16, 1960 m Myrtle Miller If any one has or knows information on William Henry , please email me at yuletide@bellsouth.net , I will share what I do have. Thank you and sincerely, Lorraine

1 Ithamer Sweet b: 1802 in Washington Co, New York d: February 13, 1873 in Ogdensburg, St Lawrence Co, NY .. +Adelis b: 1810 d: April 08, 1868 in Ogdensburg, St Lawrence Co, NY ...... 2 Phoebe Sweet b: 1825 .......... +Chifman S Mastin b: 1825 .............. 3 Catherine (Kate) Mastin b: 1858 .............. 3 Frances (Fannie M) Mastin b: 1864 .............. 3 Frank Mastin b: 1867

Some one was looking for the following information, I've forgotten his name. The location of Ogdensburg can be found at the following address http://GeoNames.NRCan.gc.ca/english/cgndb.html type in the co-ordinates: 45' 40" N 74' 31" W and it will show you the various towns within a 20 mile radius. Bev

Is there a way of getting records from the early 1900's of patients at asylums in NY state? I had an uncle born 1909 and died 1926 of St. Vitus Dance in an asylum. My aunt seemed to recall he was admitted to an asylum in the Albany area, even though his family lived in Western NY, in Ontario Cnty. Supposedly, he died when he had a seizure and fell down a flight a stairs, breaking his neck. How would I find his burial? Also, Syracuse had an orphange where my mother was for about 2 years. Is there a way of finding records on her adoption? My father and his siblings were also placed in this orphange, for a period of time when my grandmother was fined for leaving them unattended, because she was working to support her 3 children, when she and they, were abandoned. Any clues on how to get ahold of records? Thanks!

Hi..I found some new info on my Davis line and wanted to put it out there to see if anyone can help.... Joseph Davis born Liberty Sullivan County NY circa 1842. He enlisted in Co. G 143rd NY volunteers.. Married Lucinda Jacoby born 1843 in Lumberland Sullivan county, NY. They married between 1865 and 1868. At some point they go to Hancock, Delaware County, NY and have 6 children Estella born circa 1868 Michael 1870-Dec 9, 1894 Martin born Feb 25, 1871 George born Dec. 19, 1873 Clarence July 9, 1876 William b. July 3, 1877 Lucinda Jacoby Davis died July 3, 1878 most likely Hancock, Delaware, NY. Clarence married Lena M. Downs and had 2 children: Cecil Ray and Ethel May. My question: NY started keeping records in 1880..is there any way to find anything( obit etc) for Lucindas death in 1878? Thank you! Michele Lockwood

I am researching the ancestors and decendants for my daughters's on their father's side. I have very limited information on the SPILLMAN side, some of which is listed below. If you are related, and are interested in exchanging information please email me at pfinn@softcom.net Thank you for any information you can give me. Phyllis Finn Descendants of Arnold SPILLMANN 1 Arnold SPILLMANN b: Bef. 1869 in Switzerland d: Abt. 1945 .+Helen KUNZER b: Bef. 1869 in France m: Bef. 1884 d: Unknown 2 [1] Helene Cecile SPILLMANN b: 1884 in Switzerland d: 02-1965 ...+Leo PILON b: Unknown d: Unknown *2nd Husband of [1] Helene Cecile SPILLMANN: ...+Vlatimar Arnold ZAKRJENSKY(changed to SPILLMAN) b: Bef. 1890 in Russia d: ? 3 William Leon ZAKRJENSKY b: 01-23-1909 in Rhode Island d: 11-30-1971 ....+Helena June PARKER b: 07-14-1908 in CA m: 07-1929 in CA 3 Lillian Cecile ZAKRJENSKY b: 06-30-1913 d: Unknown ....+BOTKIN b: Unknown m: Unknown d: Unknown

I am researching the ancestors of my 2nd great-grandfather Robert CRANGLE, who was born in Brooklyn, New York. Part of the family moved to Ohio, and Missouri I have been told that Crangle is a variation of Crandall. I have limited information, which is listed below. Thank you for any information you can give me. Phyllis Finn *********************************************************** Descendants of Robert CRANGLE 1 CRANGLE, Robert b: Bef 1834 in Ireland d: 1897 Ireland +Isabella MILO b: Bef 1836 in Ireland d: Unknown 2 CRANGLE, Isabella b: Aft 1851 in Ireland d: Ireland 2 CRANGLE, Mary b: Aft 1851 d: Unknown 2 CRANGLE, Rose Anne b: Aft 1851 in Ireland d: Unknown 2 CRANGLE, William b: Aft 1851 in Ireland d: Unknown 3 CRANGLE, James b: Aft 1871 d: Unknown 4 CRANGLE, Winifred b: Unknown d: Unknown 3 CRANGLE, Robert b: Aft 1871 d: Unknown 2 CRANGLE, James William b: 1852 in Belfast, N Ireland d: 1929 +ROBINSON, Edith Drake b: 1863 in Rock Hill, Missouri d: 10-1898 3 CRANGLE, Robert Emerson Abt 1892 d: 1925 +Pearl BOERCKER b: 04-29-1897 d: 03-1978 4 CRANGLE, Robert Frederick 3 CRANGLE, James Convery b: 1894 Brooklyn, New York d: 11-19-1976 +MCFATRIDGE, Margaret Frances b: 1899 in Princeton, Indiana d: 1977 3 CRANGLE, Isabella b: Abt 1898 d: Unknown +FREEMAN, Nathan b: Abt 1898 d: Unknown 3 CRANGLE, Edith b: Abt 1900 d: Abt 1904 2 CRANGLE, Selina b: Abt 1861 in Ireland d: Unknown *****************************************************************

> sunnygirl@webtv.net (Marge Minardi) wrote: > >Does anyone know if there was a 1905 state census for Erie Co? I was at > >the HFC last week and could not find it in there books and there > >computers have been down for a week. Thanks, Marge > I've not looked at it myself, but the New York Genealogical & Biographical Society flyer says that they have the 1905 State Census for Erie County............The flyer also says that in some cases, the Censuses are not complete..........I don't know if Erie County is one of those, though..... Good Luck, Jim Garrity -- Jim Garrity--Rootsweb Sponsor NYC Genealogy Research Service NYC Cemetery Research & Photography http://www.NYCgen.com/ My eFax number: (630)566-7528 http://idt.net/~jgarr1 E-Mail: Jim@NYCgen.com http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/r/James-E-Garrity NEW MAILING ADDRESS: P.O. Box 780063, Maspeth, NY 11378 ICQ: 5192629 AOL Instant Messenger: Gravehunt1