Hi GEN-NYers, I received the message below. Does anyone know the answer? I hadn't thought about it before but Valerie is right, it does sound illogical. Lynn > Dear Lynn > > I have used the FOIA to obtain records of people listed in the Social > Security death benefits list and have found only one problem with the > process -- that it is very slow. However, in New York State, there are > particular state laws preventing non-direct descendants from obtaining > vital records of a person before a certain number of years, a number > that changes depending on the type of record and whether the person is > alive. > > My question is: Does the Committee for Open Government in Albany intend > FOIA to override these privacy laws? It seems odd that I can find out > birth/parent details on someone who died in 1999 if I write to the > Frederal Govt., but I have to wait for 50 years according to NYS > regulations. All it means to genealogists is that there is a period of > time that precedes the SS list of people but that is closed to easy > research because it falls into the privacy category. It all seems > illogical. > > Valerie Clift

I forgot to introduce myself to the list. My name is Patricia M. Bergener, and I presently live in Virginia Beach, VA. I've been doing research on my family for 20 years, and have NY roots on both sides. I have LINK, BOGART, TURNEY, and SMITH ancestors from Saratoga Co., DECKER and CASTON ancestors from Ulster Co, all in the 1800s. These are from my dad's side. >From my mother's side, my grandfather, Matthew Patrick BURNS was born in Brooklyn, his parents were from Ireland (came in during the time frame when there are no indexes to the NY pass. lists). I have traced them back thru the city directories, but haven't found out when they came into the country yet - neither of his parents were on the 1900 census, granddad was in a Catholic orphanage). Other's from my mother's side were in NY much earlier! THORNE, BOWNE, REED, LANNING, HOWELL; all on Long Island in the 1600s, then moved on to Hunterdon, Burlington, and Gloucester Co.s in NJ. NEW YORK CONNECTIONS IN NEW JERSEY MARRIAGE BONDS from microfilm copies of original marriage bonds in possession of NJ Dept. of Education, Division of State Library Archives & History, filmed in 1966. "Marriages are from various counties, and are arranged in groups by surname, but not alphabetical within groups." (Family History Library Catalog; 0888701-0888710) FHLC #0888701; Vol. B: # 13; Charles BEEKMAN Jr of New York Province and James WILMOT of New Jersey... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS, Governor... 500 pounds... 12 March 1742. ... Charles BEEKMAN... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Catherine BROWN of Som't County, New Jersey, spinster... [w] Tho's BARTOW # 26; Silas BEAGLE (Sells BEGEL) and Richbell MOTT, both of Staten Island... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS, Governor... 500 pounds... 26 Nov in the 17th year of His Majesties Reign, 1743. ... Silas BEAGLE... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Phebe WOOD... [w] Rebeca HIGGENS and Tho's BARTOW # 27; Silas BEAGLE (Selles BEGL) and Richbell MOTT, both of Staten Island... [bound to]... Thomas BARTOW of Perth Amboy... 1000 pounds... 26 Nov 1743. ... Silas BEAGLE... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Phebe WOOD of Staten Island aboves'd spinster... [w] Rebeca HIGGENS # 28; William BRITTON (BRITTAIN) of Long Island and Gysbert VANBRAKLE (Gisbert VANBRACKLEE) of Monmouth County... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS, Governor... 500 pounds... 30 Nov in the 17th year of His Majesties Reign, 1743. ... William BRITTON... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Mary COLLINS of Middletown in Monmouth County, af'sd... [w] Tho's BARTOW Nov 26, 1743; consent of Elizabeth BREWER for her son William BRITTION to joyn with Mary COLLINS # 51; James BUTLER and Abraham MANEE Jr, both of Staten Island, yeomen... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS, Governor... 500 pounds... 12 Sept 1745. ... James BUTLER... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Susannah JOHNSON, spinster... [w] Tho's BARTOW Consent of Frences JOHNSON for dau. Susannah; [w] Abraham MANEE (MONEE) # 57; John BURNS of [blank] County, yeoman, and Lawrence SMYTH of Perth Amboy, Esq'r... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS, Governor... 500 pounds... 18 March 1745/6. ... John BURNS... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Mary COLD of Staten Island... [w] Tho's BARTOW Consent of Daniel STILLWELL to marriage of John BURNS to Mary COLD (no indication of a relationship of Daniel STILLWELL to either party getting married) #151; Caleb BROWN of New York, Doctor of Physick, and Matthias ISLESTINE of Perth Amboy, Yeoman... [bound to}... Jonathan BELCHER, Governor... 500 pounds... 18 Oct 1752. ... Caleb BROWN... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Phebe BURGE of Middletown, spinster... [w] Tho's BARTOW #152; Henry BUTLER of Staten Island, Husbandman, and James BUTLER of the same... [bound to}... Jonathan BELCHER, Governor... 500 pounds... New Jersey... 30 Oct 1752. ... Henry BUTLER... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Belitie JOHNSON of Staten Island af'sd, spinster... [w] Tho's BARTOW #157; Robert BOYD of the City of New York and Timothy DAVIS of Newark in New Jersey... [bound to}... Jonathan BELCHER, Governor... 500 pounds... 19 Feb 1753. ... Thomas BOYD... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Mary VANDERPOOL of Essex County... [w] Uzal OGDEN #186; Jacobos (Jacobus) BROWN of the Province of New York and Frances WATERS (Franscoys WOUTERSE - umlaut over the y) of the County of Essex... New Jersey... [bound to]... Jonathan BELCHER, Governor... 500 pounds... 5 Oct 1754. ... Jacobas BROWN... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Catharine LEASEAR of the Province of N. York, spinster... [w] Gabriel OGDEN #224; Thomas BUTLER and James SEGUIN, both of Staten Island, yeomen... [bound to]... John READING, Commander in Chief... 500 pounds... 22 May 1758. ... Thomas BUTLER... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Mary COV (or COR) of Staten Island... [w] Tho's BARTOW #262; Aaron BRATT (BRAT) of the Township of Schenectady in the Colony of New York and Teil MARSELIS of the County of Bergen, Province of New Jersey... [bound to]... Francis BELCHER, Governor... 500 pounds... 21 May 1760. ... Aaron BRATT... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Petenke MARSELIS of the County of Bergen... [w] Lewis OGDEN #272; Robert BONER of the City and Province of New York, and Brice RICKEY (RIKEY) of Somerset County, New Jersey... [bound to]... Thomas BOONE, Governor... 500 pounds... 2 Dec 1760. ... Robert BONER... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Elizabeth RICKEY, daughter of the abovebound Brice RICKEY... [w] John SMYTH #285; Sammuel BEEKMAN (Same'll BEAKMAN) of New York, and Cornelius VAN HORN of Hackensack in the County of Bergain* in New Jersey... [bound to]... Thomas BOONE, Governor... 500 pounds... 22 May 1761. ... Cornelius VAN HORN obtained license of marriage for Sammuel BEEKMAN... of New York... and for Jane VAN HORN of Hackensack in the County of Bergain*... [w] Henricus SCHOOLMAKER and John ZABRISKI #307; John BUCKALEW (BUCKELEW Jr) and James BUCKELEW, both of Middlesex County... [bound to]... Josiah HARDY, Governor... 500 pounds... 14 April 1762. ... John BUCKALEW... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hester PRAAL of Staten Island, spinster... [w] John SMYTH #371; Abraham BURGEAU of the City and Province of New York and William RITE (WRIGHT) of the City of Perth Amboy... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... 500 pounds... 13 June 1764. ... Abraham BURGEAU... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Mary FOX of the City of P.Amboy*... [w]___CKAY (there is a hole in the bond, probably is the signature of John MACKAY, a frequent witness of these bonds) [consent of] Tho's FOX for his daughter Mary and Mr. Abraham BURJEAU... to John SMYTH, Esq'r, Secretary #378; Samuel BRITAIN (BRITON) and Peter MESERUCA (MORSOREAU) both of Staten Island in Richmond County, Province of New York... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... New Jersey... 500 pounds... 17 Nov 1764. ... Samuel BRITON... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Mary DeYOUNG of Richmond County af'sd... [w] John MACKAY #398; David BLAUVELT and Abraham ACKERSON, both of Orange County in the Province of New York... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... New Jersey... 500 pounds... 12 Oct 1765. ... Abraham ACKERSON obtained license of marriage for David BLAUVELT af'sd... and for Rachel ACKERSON of the county af'sd, spinster... [w] Jno ZABRISKI Jr and Annatie ZABRISKI #429; Simon BARGON (BERGEN) of Kings County on Long Island, and Jacob COVENHOVEN of Mideltown* in the County of Monmouth... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... 500 pounds... 16 May 1767. ... Simon BARGON... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Gasha DEHART of Mideltown*... [w] Sam LEONARD #485; Hendrick BANTA and Cadarus HOOGLAND, both of Hackensack in the County of Bergen... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... 500 pounds... 2 Aug 1769. ... Cadarus HOOGLAND obtained license of marriage for Hendrik BANTA... and for Elizabeth LAKE of Long Island in the Province of New York... [w] Jno ZABRISKI Jr #605; Theophilus BEEKMAN of the City of New York, and John VANHORNE (VAN HORNE) of the County of Middlesex in New Jersey... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... New Jersey... 500 pounds... 30 May 1775. ... Theophilus BEEKMAN obtained license of marriage for James BEEKMAN... and for Sarah LEFFERTS... [w] John THOMSON #737; Richard BLAUVELT of Orange County, State of New York, and Henry VAN DALSEM of Bergen County, State of New Jersey, yeomen... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN... Governor... New Jersey... 500 pounds... 7 April 1781. ... Certificate of Marriage between Richard BLAUVELT... and Sally VAN DALSEN [w] "Jonh" BLAUVELT and Ab. WESTERVELT #779; John BLAUVELT (Johannis h: BLAUVELT) of Harington* in Bergen County, New Jersey, and David ACKERMAN of Orange County, New York... [bound to]... William LIVINGSTON... Governor... 500 pounds... 6 March 1783. ... Certificate of Marriage between John BLAUVELT... and Jannitye ALYEE... [w] ___ WESTERVELT and _____ WESTERVELT (given names obscured by the binding - probably Anne & Abr:) #869; William BOWNE of the City of New York, and Caleb NEWBOLD of the County of Burlington in the State of New Jersey... [bound to]... William PATERSON... Governor... 500 pounds... 11 May 1791. ... Certificate of Marriage between William BOWNE... and Sarah NEWBOLD... [w] Tho's ADAMS and Tho. D. HEWLINGS

--part1_0.d1977ee3.2536b5ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_0.d1977ee3.2536b5ba_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <YORKSGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v62.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:25:01 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v61.13) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:24:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29404; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38053E0E.AC7602F3@mmind.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:21:02 -0700 From: "J. Good" <jgood@mmind.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Old-To: "YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com" <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Fwd: Fw: Fw: You Know you are a genealogy addict when...] Old-Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------52A7AD4C48D32F7E3434850E" Resent-Message-ID: <nHfYm.A.IKH.wDSB4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/58587 X-Loop: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: YORKSGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------52A7AD4C48D32F7E3434850E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone fall into this category? --------------52A7AD4C48D32F7E3434850E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (smtppop3.gte.net [207.115.153.22]) by crockpot.mmind.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA23544 for <jgood@mmind.net>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:06:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from borts (1Cust240.tnt1.des-moines.ia.da.uu.net [63.11.128.240]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP ; id TAA1996581 Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:09:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003c01bf150f$6b8479c0$c0480d3f@borts> From: "borts" <borts@gte.net> To: <Undisclosed.Recipients@smtppop3.gte.net> Subject: Fw: Fw: You Know you are a genealogy addict when... Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:10:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 You Know You are a Genealogy Addict when ... You brake for libraries. You hyperventilate at the sight of an old cemetery. You would rather browse in a cemetery than a shopping mall. You would rather read census schedules than a good book. You are more interested in what happened in 1697 than 1997. Moses, Dorcas, and Caleb are household names, but you cannot remember what to call the dog. You can pinpoint Sewickely, McKeesport, Evans City (PA) but can't locate your own state capital on the map. You think every home should have a copier and a microfilm reader. You know every register of deeds in the state by name, but they lock the doors when they see you coming. You store your clothes under the bed, because your closet is full of books and papers. All your correspondence begins, "Dear Cousin". You have traced every one of your ancestral lines back to the Cro-Magnons, have it documented and still don't want to quit. --------------52A7AD4C48D32F7E3434850E-- ==== YORKSGEN Mailing List ==== Problems with Yorksgen? Visit the FAQ site http://website.lineone.net/~brian/yorksgen/FAQs.htm --part1_0.d1977ee3.2536b5ba_boundary--

Hi. Don't know if I have sent this already or not. Need info on Curtis A. Young b. 1854 NY. Moved to Charleston, SC about 1885. Thank you, Joy

Thank you to all that sent me information about the town that Christina Clarke lived. Sharon

1830 NY Federal Census of Albany Co. Looking for information a William and Seth Merrihew , both in the Town of Berne.and A Nathan Merrihew in the Town of Rensselaerville. Anything at all

It is supposed to be standard practice when using an acronym to give the meaning of it at the beginning of it's use. Don L. Fox DonFox@cybertrails.com

> >Does anone know if Howard Crapser is still the town historian of Summit, New >York? > >Don Kenyon >dkenyon@topmich.com > > >

Hello, I need the name of the town, please I am wondering if someone would have access to the 1860 Federal Census, for Greene Co, NY. and would look up the name of the town that Chr istina Clark(e) and family were living in. I believe she was the head of the household. The page number is 902 and she is located at #663. Regards and Thank you in advance. Sharon

I am amazed at the number of people searching LYONS but none of them seem to connect. I am searching Thomas E. Lyons married to Cynthia Berdet in Canada. These are the children I know of: William Riley, Almeda, Helen, and Mahala. William was my great grandfather, married to Elizabeth Rhinehart of New York and moved to Michigan from Illinois. His sister Almeda also married in New York to Philip VanConant and came to Michigan. Helen was married to a Pearson. At one time William lived about l5 miles from where I live and is buried in a local cemetery but I have been unable to find his death record. Could some one help me with this family? Alice A. Eaton aaeaton@voyager.net

Freedom of Information Act Best regards. Nancy. NColeman ncroots@worldnet.att.net NYC/Long Island Family History Research Services: http://www.genealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html County Coordinator for the Nassau GenExchange: http://www.genexchange.com/ny/nassau/index.cfm Irish Family History Forum www.ifhf.org -----Original Message----- From: gencon <gencon@harborside.com> To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:28 PM Subject: Re: FOIA >ok... sometimes I feel so dumb...I give in what is FOIA? I wasn't going to >ask, hoping someone would ask..guess I am the only one that doesn't know >what it stands for... > >Wilma Fleming Haynes >gencon@harborside.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lynn Brandvold <lynn@gis.nmt.edu> >To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 8:36 PM >Subject: FOIA > > >> Hi GEN-NYers, >> >> I received the message below. Does anyone know the answer? I hadn't >> thought about it before but Valerie is right, it does sound illogical. >> >> Lynn >> >> >> > Dear Lynn >> > >> > I have used the FOIA to obtain records of people listed in the Social >> > Security death benefits list and have found only one problem with the >> > process -- that it is very slow. However, in New York State, there are >> > particular state laws preventing non-direct descendants from obtaining >> > vital records of a person before a certain number of years, a number >> > that changes depending on the type of record and whether the person is >> > alive. >> > >> > My question is: Does the Committee for Open Government in Albany intend >> > FOIA to override these privacy laws? It seems odd that I can find out >> > birth/parent details on someone who died in 1999 if I write to the >> > Frederal Govt., but I have to wait for 50 years according to NYS >> > regulations. All it means to genealogists is that there is a period of >> > time that precedes the SS list of people but that is closed to easy >> > research because it falls into the privacy category. It all seems >> > illogical. >> > >> > Valerie Clift >> >> >> ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >> Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data >> Cooperative? >> http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> >> > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt > >

ok... sometimes I feel so dumb...I give in what is FOIA? I wasn't going to ask, hoping someone would ask..guess I am the only one that doesn't know what it stands for... Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Brandvold <lynn@gis.nmt.edu> To: <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 8:36 PM Subject: FOIA > Hi GEN-NYers, > > I received the message below. Does anyone know the answer? I hadn't > thought about it before but Valerie is right, it does sound illogical. > > Lynn > > > > Dear Lynn > > > > I have used the FOIA to obtain records of people listed in the Social > > Security death benefits list and have found only one problem with the > > process -- that it is very slow. However, in New York State, there are > > particular state laws preventing non-direct descendants from obtaining > > vital records of a person before a certain number of years, a number > > that changes depending on the type of record and whether the person is > > alive. > > > > My question is: Does the Committee for Open Government in Albany intend > > FOIA to override these privacy laws? It seems odd that I can find out > > birth/parent details on someone who died in 1999 if I write to the > > Frederal Govt., but I have to wait for 50 years according to NYS > > regulations. All it means to genealogists is that there is a period of > > time that precedes the SS list of people but that is closed to easy > > research because it falls into the privacy category. It all seems > > illogical. > > > > Valerie Clift > > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

And besides, the SS-5 information is likely to be a whole lot more accurate than the death cert. anyway! It was filed by the person him/herself at a period in life when his/ her memory was probably pretty good, while the Death Cert. is filed by someone else who may not have accurate information and is probably distraught on top of it. Joy Weaver Charles Sullivan wrote: > > Whatever gave you the idea that what governments do > is logical? > > Regards, > Charles Sullivan > > Lynn Brandvold <lynn@gis.nmt.edu> wrote: > >Hi GEN-NYers, > > > >I received the message below. Does anyone know the answer? I hadn't > >thought about it before but Valerie is right, it does sound illogical. > > > >Lynn > > > > > >> Dear Lynn > >> > >> I have used the FOIA to obtain records of people listed in the Social > >> Security death benefits list and have found only one problem with the > >> process -- that it is very slow. However, in New York State, there are > >> particular state laws preventing non-direct descendants from obtaining > >> vital records of a person before a certain number of years, a number > >> that changes depending on the type of record and whether the person is > >> alive. > >> > >> My question is: Does the Committee for Open Government in Albany intend > >> FOIA to override these privacy laws? It seems odd that I can find out > >> birth/parent details on someone who died in 1999 if I write to the > >> Frederal Govt., but I have to wait for 50 years according to NYS > >> regulations. All it means to genealogists is that there is a period of > >> time that precedes the SS list of people but that is closed to easy > >> research because it falls into the privacy category. It all seems > >> illogical. > >> > >> Valerie Clift > > > > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > >Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > >Cooperative? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > ==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the GEN-NYS-L Frequently Asked Questions (And Answers!) web page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/GEN-NYS-L/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.txt -- mail to: joyweave@erols.com Outline trees for: HALLOCK, HEAD, PALMER, SELDEN at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/e/a/Joyce-R-Weaver/ USA (mostly northeast): Burnside, Green, Merritt, Morris, Palmer, Selden./ CANADA (ON/QC): Brown, Clark, Grant, Weaver./ ENGLAND(Lanc.): Hunt, Wall. POLAND (Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rozenel./ BELARUS (Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner.

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From: "gencon" <gencon@harborside.com> Subject: Re: FOIA Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:16:22 -0700 To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com ok... sometimes I feel so dumb...I give in what is FOIA? I wasn't going to ask, hoping someone would ask..guess I am the only one that doesn't know what it stands for... Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com FOIA -- Federal Freedom of Information Act John Andrew Prime Shreveport, Louisiana http://www.shreve.net/~japrime/lagenweb/resume.htm japrime@shreve.net

In a message dated 99-10-13 01:38:20 EDT, you write: << To: GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com Whatever gave you the idea that what governments do is logical? In the case of New York state being so difficult about obtaining documents I see it as a very logical outcome of illegal immigrants obtaining American documents that allow them to assume American identities. Not only that, our recently dead ancestors' credit histories would be open to exploitation. I applaud New York for being difficult. The other states, as well, all of those who are protecting their citizens from being victimized by the scum who would use ouir hobby to commit illegal acts. We naive genealogists forget there are less than innocent people trying to get our data. Shirley

Whatever gave you the idea that what governments do is logical? Regards, Charles Sullivan Lynn Brandvold <lynn@gis.nmt.edu> wrote: >Hi GEN-NYers, > >I received the message below. Does anyone know the answer? I hadn't >thought about it before but Valerie is right, it does sound illogical. > >Lynn > > >> Dear Lynn >> >> I have used the FOIA to obtain records of people listed in the Social >> Security death benefits list and have found only one problem with the >> process -- that it is very slow. However, in New York State, there are >> particular state laws preventing non-direct descendants from obtaining >> vital records of a person before a certain number of years, a number >> that changes depending on the type of record and whether the person is >> alive. >> >> My question is: Does the Committee for Open Government in Albany intend >> FOIA to override these privacy laws? It seems odd that I can find out >> birth/parent details on someone who died in 1999 if I write to the >> Frederal Govt., but I have to wait for 50 years according to NYS >> regulations. All it means to genealogists is that there is a period of >> time that precedes the SS list of people but that is closed to easy >> research because it falls into the privacy category. It all seems >> illogical. >> >> Valerie Clift > > >==== GEN-NYS Mailing List ==== >Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data >Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/

So far there has not been much response to add to what I presented on Hendrick "Henry" Kortright. There may not be anymore to add. I will post this information for discussion before moving on. >From Gordon Courtright Children of HENDRICK KORTREGT and CATHARINE CROM are: ii. GEERTJN6 KORTRIGHT, b. Aft. 1703; d. Died young. 19. iii. HENDRICK "HENRY" KORTRIGHT, b. Aft. 1706, Kingston, Ulster Co., NY; d. Aft. 1752. iv. CATHARINA KORTRECHT, b. 1709, Raysester, Ulster Co., NY25; m. TEUNIS MIDDAGH, 13 September, 1728, Kingston, Ulster Co., NY25. Children of PETRUS KORTRIGHT and MARYTJEN-MARRITJE VAN GARDEN are: 31. i. HENDRICK "HENRY"6 KORTRIGHT-CUTRIGHT, b. August 1717, Kingston, Ulster Co., NY. 32. ii. RACHEL KORTRIGHT, b. 1720, Prob. Raysester, Ulster Co., NY. 33. iii. ABRAHAM PIETERSEN KORTRIGHT, b. 1724, Raysester, Ulster Co., NY. 34. iv. TIACTJE "TJETJEN-TJAETJE" KORTRIGHT, b. 1727, Raysester, Ulster Co., NY; d. Bef. 1750, Prob. Machackemeck, Orange Co, NY. 35. v. MARYA KORTRIGHT, b. 1730, Kingston, Ulster Co., NY. 36. vi. PETRUS KORTRIGHT, b. 1732. 37. vii. ANNETJE KORTRIGHT, b. 1734, Raysester, Ulster Co., NY. So, there were two Hendrick “Henry” Kortrights born within 10 years of each other. This could lead to confusion. Both in Kingston. Their Fathers: Petrus "Pieter" and Hendrick Hendricksen (JR) were Brothers; sons of Hendrick Jansen Kortright Van Beest.. I decend from The son of Petrus Kortright that married Elizabeth "Liddie" HORNBECK. 31. HENDRICK "HENRY"6 KORTRIGHT-CUTRIGHT (PETRUS "PIETER" HENDRICKSEN5 KORTRIGHT, HENDRICK JANSEN "VAN BEEST"4 VAN KORTRYK, JAN-BASTIAN "BASTIAENSEN"3, SEBASTIAN "BASTIAEN"2 VAN KORTRIJK, SEBASTIAN Y1 CORTEZ) was born August 1717 in Kingston, Ulster Co., NY99. He married ELISABETH "LIDDIE" HOORNBEEK 28 December, 1739 in Kingston, Ulster Co., NY99, daughter of JOHANNES HOORENBEEK and ORSELTIEN WESTBROEK. Notes for HENDRICK "HENRY" KORTRIGHT-CUTRIGHT: Parents: Pieter Kortregt and Marytjen Van Garden; Child: Hendrik; Witnesses: Louwerens Kortregt and Zara ten Eyk. More About HENDRICK "HENRY" KORTRIGHT-CUTRIGHT: Baptism: 22 September, 1717, Kingston, Ulster Co., NY99 Notes for ELISABETH "LIDDIE" HOORNBEEK: Record No. 3002. Parents: Johannes Hoornbeek and Orseltjen Wesbroek; Child: Elisabeth; Witnesses: Jan Vaarten and Tryntjen Oosterhoud. More About ELISABETH "LIDDIE" HOORNBEEK: Baptism: 13 May, 1722, Kingston, Ulster Co., NY99 Children of HENDRICK KORTRIGHT-CUTRIGHT and ELISABETH HOORNBEEK are: 124. i. JOHN "THE BEAR HUNTER"7 KORTRIGHT-CUTRIGHT, b. August 1747, Hampshire Co., VA, now Moorefield, Hardy Co., WV; d. 24 December, 1830, Ross Co., OH. 125. ii. CHARITY CUTRIGHT. 126. iii. BENJAMIN CUTRIGHT, b. 1740, Fairfax, WV. I disagree with Gordon here, Their first child was not John "The Bear Hunter" Cutright, but John "The Indian Scout" Cutright. Gordon has in his notes that these two individuals are one person. John "The Bear Hunter" Married Elizabeth Subre and moved to Ohio. John "The Indian Scout" married Rebecca Truby and stayed in Buckhannon West Va.

Hi Rooters, This book is another from the Memorial On-Line Library I have set up to my parents memory. Dad died many years ago and mother has Alzheimers so she is effectually been gone for many years. The book was printed in 1891 and has 871 pages, I am proofing pages 675 to 700 right now, hope to have the book complete by the end of the month so I can start another of these historical biographies. I have posted this to some of the lists as it is still a work in progress, but have now added another 350 pages and I think have added what may well be a great addition to the site. My thanks to Denise Fredericks who does the Washtenaw County MI site who gave me this lead. I have added a search engine to the LivgenMI site and if say you are researching in N.Y. and have a guess that your families may have passed through Michigan, there are 161 hits....if I typed in New York, I came up with an additional 128 hits....so please do not assume that because this is a Michigan book that your NY people may not be there. I have seen hundreds of references to New York, and about 20 other states, and just about every county in the state of Michigan. While you are at it, I have two small favors I'd like to ask, <g> while doing this a friend in CA is helping a friend of hers and when she saw the link to MI, she gave up because I was the only person seh knew here, as it happened I sent her a link to one of the bios from this book and it was indeed the family she was looking for, so we got her back to Oswego NY about 1830? Name is TONCRAY, and wonder if anyone has any connections to this family that eventually got to Nebraska. Also as you know this site is large and complex, and I would very much like to find some sort of award for the wonderful couple from ISMI who host both of the main sites I do, but.....that being said I would rather make more pages for you guys to use in research than surf, so IF any of you know of such a place to enter them to receive that just honor, I would appreciate the link. I mean they even came in over the weekend late Saturday night when I filled up the server with more data, and so they could make mor space for more genealogical stuff. http://www.LivGenMI.com Home of the 1895 atlas http://www.ChaseNEgw.com Home of the 1891 Shippers Dispatch Gazatteer If you use any of the above or any of the hundreds of bits of information I have put on the net for you.....Your Obligation is to complete your "Hug Homework"! Pam - List Lady prietsch@ismi.net

------Begin forward message------------------------- From: brgnr@ix.netcom.com To: NY-Rooters@genexchange.com Date: 10/12/99 23:22:06 Message-Id: <1999101223226311538@ix.netcom.com> Subject: some NY marriages in NJ X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. I have been researching New Jersey marriage bonds and posting them to the NJ USGenWeb Archives site. I was surprised at the number of New York residents who married in NJ. As I complete a volume, I will post the NY ones to the mailing list. I'm new to the list, I hope that this is appropriate. NEW YORK CONNECTIONS IN NEW JERSEY MARRIAGE BONDS from microfilm copies of original marriage bonds in possession of NJ Dept. of Education, Division of State Library Archives & History, filmed in 1966. "Marriages are from various counties, and are arranged in groups by surname, but not alphabetical within groups." (Family History Library Catalog; 0888701-0888710) I have capitalized all surnames for ease in identification. When there was a discrepancy with a name in the body of the bond and the signature, the difference of the signature is in parentheses, There were two paragraphs in the document, the first is the bond, and the second is the marriage license, followed by signatures and seals of the bondsmen, and the signature(s) of witnesses to the bond. There are no notations as to when or where the actual marriage took place. An asteric * indicates spelling of a locality as found in document. The time frame covered by these bonds is generally 1735-1797 The cost of the bond and marriage license appears to have been about 1 pound, 4 shillings. The 500 pounds was the amount that the bondsmen were indebted to the government in the event that there was a claim of fraud against one of the parties being married. FHLC #0888701; Volume A (Remember, the governors mentioned were in office in New Jersey) # 9; Gozen ADRIANS of Staten Island and William THOMSON of Perth Amboy... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS Esq'r Governor... 500 pounds... 11 June 1743. ... Gozen ADRIANS...obtained license of marriage for himself and for Cornelia BANTA of Hackinsack, widow... [witness:] Tho's BARTOW Sec'y # 57; Richard ALLEN of the City of New York, Gent., and John COX of Shrewsbury in the County of Monmouth, Gent.,... [bound to]... Jonathan BELCHER, Governor... 500 pounds... 25 March 1754. ... Richard ALLEN... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Maria COX of Shrewsbury... [witnesses:] Sarah LEONARD, Sam LEONARD # 69; Peter ANDROVET of Staten Island, yeoman, and David WINANT of the same place, and Isaac DOTY of the same place, Ferrymen... [bound to]... Jonathan BELCHER, Governor of Prov. Of New Jersey... 500 pounds... 30 Nov 1756. ... Peter ANDROVET... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Catharine NICHOLS of Staten Island... [witness:] Tho's BARTOW # 76; John ARDEN of New York, Carpenter, and Israel THURSTON of Woodbridge, yeoman... [bound to]... Francis BERNARD, Governor... 500 pounds... 4 Sept 1758. ... John ARDEN... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Sarah THURSTON of Woodbridge, spinster... [witness:] Tho's BARTOW #114; Abraham ACKERMAN and Richard HEATON both of the County of Bergain*, Prov. of NJ... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... 500 pounds... 5 May 1763. ... obtained license of marriage for Abraham ACHERMAN... and Brache BLAUVELT of Orange County, Prov. Of New York... [w] John ZABRISKI Jr, Betsy ZABRISKI #115; Caleb AYDELOIS and John SLAGHT, both of Richmond County, Prov. of New York... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor of the Prov. of NJ... 500 pounds... 11 July 1763. ... Caleb AYDELOIS... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Ann RACCOW of the County of Richmond af'sd... [w] John THOMSON #119; John ANDERSON of Orring* County in New York Government and John STILWILL (STILWELL) of Midletown in the County of Monmouth, NJ... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... 500 pounds... 16 Dec 1763. ... John ANDERSON... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Mary STILWILL of Midletown*... [w] Sam LEONARD #182; Peter ALJCA (ALYEA) and Hendrick BARTHOFF (Henry BERTHOFF) both of Orange County, Province of New York... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... 500 pounds... 1 March 1773. ... Peter ALJCA... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Marritje BARTHOFF of the same place, spinster... [w] Jno ZABRISKI Jr #187; Resolvert ARIANSE (Resalvert AREYANSOR) and Albert WESTERVELT both of Bergen County... [bound to]... William FRANKLIN, Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Aug 1773. ... Resolvert ARIEJANSEN... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Deborah VER VEELEN of Orange County, Province of New York... [w] Jno ZABRISKI Jr #215; William ARMSTRONG of Orange County, State of New York, and Henry (Hendericus) KUYPER of Bergen County, State of New Jersey... [bound to]... William LIVINGSTON, Governor... 500 pounds... 26 Nov 1777. ... Certificate of Marriage between William ARMSTRONG... and Catharine LAWRENCE... [w] Sam'l HAYES, James ABNER #263; William ASH of the City of New York and Asher COOK of Eliz'th town in the County of Essex, State of New Jersey... [bound to]... William LIVINGSTON, Governor... 500 pounds... 19 Aug 1783. ... Certificate of Marriage for William ASH... and Mary MONTANYES... [w] Nehemiah WADE #271; Benjamin ARCHER of the County of West Chester, in the State of New York, and John KELLY of the County of Bergen in the State of New Jersey... [bound to]... William LIVINGSTON, Governor... 500 pounds... 14 June 1784. ... Certificate of Marriage for Benjamin ARCHER...and Margaret BROWN... [w] Alex. MAEWHORTER